[4회] '우린 단합이 필요해' 최고의 무대를 위한 파트 재분배
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- [4회] '우린 단합이 필요해' 최고의 무대를 위한 파트 재분배
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あの時みんなで納得したはずなのに再度話し合った時ほとんどの人がパート変えたいって言われたらヤーニンもえ？ってなるよな〜。本当に言われなきゃ分かんないし、言って欲しかったよね。
ヤーニン頑張れ！！
TBH, it's not just Fu Yaning or You Dayeon, the whole team were problematic since the start, as someone who had been a leader on a group project the worst thing I would expect is everyone acting like they're agreed with the final decision while in reality they aren't but they won't speak up because they're either lack of confidence or afraid of being seen as selfish. Exactly what happened in ep3, no one ever speak up when they're setting up the rules, and when Dayeon figured out the problem still no one speak up, so as a leader Yaning thought Dayeon's request would not be fair for others, and now we get the consequences.
Your comment this the most logical one. thank you!
this is what im trying to say. so confused why people keep blaming on dayeon or fu yaning only
I fully agree. Sadly this comment is so underrated :-/
SO TRUE, also it would be better if the leader Fu asked other teammates about Dayeon's request and discuss it together, when Dayeon asked (because most of them also wanted to change the parts.)
Edit: FYN fans please calm down about this comment 😂
@@yjoh5822 probably everyone seems quite happy about the part they got (even though they weren't), and it's still in the middle of audition, especially when everyone besides YDY seems to agree with the leader, whoever in FYN's position wouldn't immediately thought the need to ask others at this point.
いきなり後ろ向いたのはびっくりしたな、、トレーナーさん自分の思ってること言ってくれてスッキリした。
スヨンちゃんとかひかるちゃんみたいにちょっとしかないパートでも印象めっちゃ残してる人もいるし、たくさん歌えば見てもらえるとは絶対違うと思う、チームでやってるからこのパートが良いってずっと言い続けるのも違うと思うな。
ダヨンちゃん、今回のでなんだかんーーとなりました🥲ライバルだとしても同じチームじゃん。ばちばちより仲良しなのが見たかったなぁ💭
Instead of blaming one person, I just want to say that this team itself failed as a team. It is everyone’s fault, for not listening to each member’s hidden concern, for not trusting the leader enough who they agreed by themselves and for being unsatisfied for her own loss when it is voted fair and square. I hope everyone learn from this, the best team is not the ones with strongest members, but it is the ones with most balanced and harmonious members.
I really agreed with you..
Well said.
Agree, don’t be selfish
agreed
Yu Dayeon is annoying. her personality is not good enough to debut as a group. she should debut as a soloist and take every part as she want.
김수연은 말도 잘 해…. 파트도 엄청 적었는데 존재감 엄청 났어 매력도 넘치거ㅠㅜ 꼭 데뷔해줘!!
日本語で流れ整理
ダヨン「実は決め方が一人一回しか挑戦する機会がなくて、本当はメインボーカルか、ボーカル1、2がやりたかったのに一つしか歌う機会がありませんでした、、なので他のパートもお見せしたいのですがどうでしょうか...」
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ジュヒ「こういうのが問題なんですよ、今の。このチームがうまくいく方法を見つけないといけない。私がうまいからあれもこれもやる、ではなくちゃんと分配してこのチームが最高の舞台をするにはどうしたらいいか悩まなきゃいけないでしょ、お互いが。そうゆう団結が必要なのに私からみるとこのチームにはそれがない。ダヨンもここでそうゆうことを言うのではなく、チーム内で話すべきでしょ。」
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スヨン「マスターたちの前で話すよりも
前に、私たちに話していてくれたらもっとマシな状況だったかなと、、、」
結局投票で再決定。
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プヤニン「本当に知らなかったです。こんなにもたくさんの人がパートを変えたいと思ってたなんて。。口に出していないのに不満があることをどうやってわかるのか、、」
好き❤️
ちゃんと理解出来てないんですが、フーヤーニンの提案は「1回パート志望したら他のメンバーのパート志望がでるまでパート志望できません！」ってことですか？
@@pinking4023 多分ですが、
キリングパートは希望者で歌って投票→決定(ルイチー)。
それ以外の他のパートは、全員1つだけ希望パート出して(キリングパートの希望はここではカウントしない)被ったら歌って投票。投票落ちたら、残りの希望者いないパートを落ちた人同士で再度希望取る。みたいな感じだと思います。
パート1も2もチャレンジしたかったが、1つしか選べなくてそこで落ちてしまった、私のパート2も聞いてほしいという主張がダヨンで、
皆1つの希望を出したのだから、ここでパート2に再度挑戦したら、唯一の希望としてパート2出した人と不公平というのがヤーニンの主張だと思います。
本編パート決めでダヨンはキリングパートとどこかのパート2回歌ってたので、多分キリングパート希望して選ばれず、パート1を歌って選ばれず、という感じかと
@@Gasolinegas 返信ありがとうございます！🙇♀️
ヤーニンの主張はみんなにチャンスを作れて、ダヨンの主張は実力のある人が歌って、よりいいパフォーマンスができるって感じがしますね。どっちの主張も間違ってないからこそ難しいですね、1番はコミュニケーション不足なんでしょうけど、、、。
チームで魅せることを念頭に置いて編成組んで、殆どのメンバーはそれに納得していたように感じました。
チームにとっての最善策が個人にとって苦しい道になることはオーディション番組あるあるですが、今回のダヨンちゃんはチャンスを逃すまいと我を出しすぎたように思います。
反対に、あまり主張していなかったメンバーはどんなポジションでも自分の魅せ方を知っていて、最高の勝負ができるという自信を感じました。
前回の放送でも違和感を感じるところが多々あった。1人1回のチャンスと最初に決めていたのに、後から他のパートも挑戦したいと言い出し、それじゃ不公平になるよ…と言われたらまるでプヤニンちゃん達に酷いことをされているかのように泣き出し、挙句の果てにはこんなことになるくらいならこのチームにしなければ良かった的な発言…それでも、気持ち的には共感できるからダヨンちゃんに同情する部分もあったけど、まだ気持ちを切り替えずにずっと自分のやりたいパートにこだわってメンバーを困惑させるのには流石に驚いた。言うにしても流石に言う相手が違うと思う。競争心も大切だけど、チームワークや協力はもっと大切だと思うけどな。正直プヤニンちゃんとは逆だなと思った。プヤニンちゃんは、メイクとか見た目で気の強そうな感じがすごく出てるから、前のパート決めの時みたいになにも悪いこと言ってないのに悪者みたいな編集されたりして、勘違いする人もいると思うけど、ダヨンちゃんは逆で、見た目とか話し方とか大人しくて弱々しい感じだから泣いてるダヨンちゃん見ると皆可哀想😭ってなるんだと思うけど、言動はかなり自分勝手だと思う。
その通りだと思います。プヤニンはリーダーとして頑張っていたと思います！
私は1話目をみて、そこからずっとヤーニンちゃん推しなんですけど、4話はただただダヨンちゃんに対して怒りしか出て来ませんでした。3話を見ていた時、ガルプラをガチ追いしていない母も一緒に見てたのですが、母がダヨンちゃんがずっと自分のパート決まらなくて泣いてた時に「ここで泣くのは卑怯だよね」って言ってて、共感しかなくて、4話ではその卑怯さがさらに出てたなって印象でした。実力はある人だと思うので、もう少しチーム優先で考えられるようになってくれたらなと思います。
私もダヨンちゃんには驚きました。
メンバーには言いたい事をハッキリと言わずいつまでも引きずって挙げ句の果てにはマスターにチクる。ビジュアルが良くても実力があっても グループ内に居たらかなり難アリだなぁ・・・
いやほんとに卑怯だよダヨンちゃん
ヤーニンちゃんがキッパリ本当にやりたいパートに手あげようって言って決めてみんなしっかり考えた上でパート希望して、それで負けてしまっただけなのに、あれもやりたいし、ここも出てみたいしみたいなところから既にやばいなとは思ってたけど、先生の前で納得できませんみたいなの言うことないんじゃないの､､､､
てかスヨンちゃんチーム内で話して欲しかったな、って言ってたし多分パートに不満なかったのに「おかしいと思ってたけどそれをちゃんと言えずごめんなさい」って謝って､､､､
なんていい子なんだおばさん感動した投票する😭😭
3:39 ジユンちゃんが「誰がキリングパートで誰がセンターとか関係ない。皆がそれぞれ一生懸命頑張れば、9人全員光ることができるよ！頑張ろう！みんな１つにならなきゃ！」って言ってる所に彼女の良さが出てたよね。ダヨンちゃんの気持ちも分からなくもないけど、マスター達の前で言えばどうにかなるかもって小狡い部分が見えて少し幻滅した。雰囲気が～とかじゃなく皆の前でちゃんと話して欲しかったな。顔が好きだったからなおさら😭
ひかるちゃんは少ないパートでも、目を釘付けにされたし、しっかりと印象を残していてさすがだなって思ったわ😍💖 控え目だけど芯が強くて優しくて良い子だわ。
しかもひかるちゃん、今まではなかった低音パートでしたよね！
個人的に「おぉぉ！！！」ってなりました😭
自分のことしか考えられない人は最後まで残れない。
このオーディションでパフォーマンスするのもグループだし、選ばれてデビューするときもグループなのに…
チーム内では納得いってなかったにしても一旦引き下がったのに、マスターの前でここぞとばかりにアピールして、ここまで我を貫き通そうとするの嫌悪感しかない…ソロ目指せば？
No one was wrong. When choosing the part for the first time, there was only Dayeon who wanted to change it but others are satisfied with their own part. YaNing couldn't change the parts of the whole team just because one person requested.
almost everyone raised their hands when they were asked if they wanted to change their parts...
totally agree with you, if other members also wanted to redistribute parts they should've agreed with Dayeon at first, but they didn't, and that is not Yaning's fault
@@jasuweg6819 yeah but when they were choosing only one was unsatisfied. No one else said anything
@@jasuweg6819 Do you misunderstand? I mean when the FIRST TIME, no one wanted to change. Then who would you let her change to?
@@jasuweg6819 that's a different eposode...
this team was good but yea they really were into competing with each other instead of being a team
i agree with u, i like this team but they dont look like a team here :( more like RIVALS and yes u gonna say they are rivals but for this mission, they have to be 1 as a TEAM .. Pretty U is diff type of song but they managed to bring it like a 'team performance'
💯💯💯💯
Yessss agreed
I believe the net friend’s eye is clear, won’t be like a few people to be led to deviate to think that the leadership has the very big responsibility, this matter each member has the question, most has the question is the accuser！
YUP EXACTLY
元々皆んなが不満持ってたわけじゃなくて、マスターの評価を聞いて不安要素ある部分は変えた方がいいなって思って改めて考えて手を挙げたんだと思うから、「皆んな本当は前から変えたいって思ってたんじゃん」ってユダヨンさん擁護する意見は違うと思う…
性格難ありな一面だけが変に切り取られてるって意味で悪編なのかもだけど、それでもやっぱマスターの前ではニヤニヤしながら話そうとしてたり後ろ向いたり話し始めたと思ったら泣きだしたの事実だしな〜とモヤモヤしたなあ 自分をよく見せたいって強い想いがあるのは大事だしそれはわかるけど情緒大丈夫かなとシンプルに心配…
ユダヨンさんが言っても言わなくても、ルイチーのパートについて「他のひとにかえたらどう？話し合って決めて」って評価されてるから、結局はパートわりどうするかって話すことになってるわけだし、
突然後ろ向き始めたらどうしました？ってなるよね笑
マスターに突っ込まれる前にはっきり言うべきやったと思う、そらプヤニンちゃんもなんも言わないから分からんってなるよ笑
どんな時もひかるちゃんは平和で可愛い笑
0:45 ひかるちゃん、未知との遭遇みたいな顔でどうしたんですか？💁♀️言ってるの癒されるわあww
その絵文字そっくりだったわあwwww
絵文字むりWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
まるでプヤニンちゃんが言いくるめたかのような編集とダヨンちゃんが涙しているシーンが多いこともありプヤニンちゃんが悪く見られるのは如何なものかと。。。平等に多数決とってるしそこに関しては何も問題無いのでは？
ヤーニンもちゃんと多数決とって納得してるしいい子やん、、
ダヨンの今言えばいけるんじゃ？の顔が…
こういう子は最後まで残らないで欲しい...
中間順位が15位だったし、これを見てダヨンちゃんのCELL投票しよう！って人はおそらくいないだろうから今回で脱落しちゃうかもしれないですね。
正直少しムカついてしまいました。リーダー決める時も「本当は自分もしたかったけど雰囲気が……」みたいなこと言ってて、自分が出来なかったことをダヨンちゃんは周りのせいにしてる感じがして、こうすれば自分の思い通りになるんじゃない？みたいな考えが行動とかにも出てて、私は「この子、卑怯なところあるな」って思ってます(あくまで個人的意見ですが)。私はこういう所直らない限りはこの子のこと応援出来ないです(ダヨンちゃんも努力はしているんでしょうけど…)。
まあまとめると、プヤニンしか勝たん
ダヨンちゃん、顔がちょっとあゆに似てて可愛いし、最初のパフォーマンスがよくて注目してました。
でも、前回と今回で正直引きました…
上の方もおっしゃってる通り、これを見てダヨンちゃんに投票しよう！って思う人少ないのでは…
韓国ではダヨンちゃんの言動ってどう思われてるんでしょうか？
Im glad Shana gets the vocal 2. Her voice just really fit the part❤️
ひかるちゃんは表情も行動も平和だ笑
いつも安定の癒しをくれる🥰
この時空気とかピリピリしてるし、なんであの状態でダヨンちゃんがあの発言をしたのか中々理解し難いことだけど、パフォーマンスしてるグループの子達見て、みんなお互いのことを理解しようと努力したんだなって思った。感動。
ヤーニンちゃんリーダーとして一生懸命纏めようとしてたのに、特に主張もしないでトレーナーの前で急に言うのは流石にヤーニンちゃん可哀想すぎる。ダヨンちゃん含め全員言わなきゃ、察しろって方が無理だよ
同感です。
リーダーにしたくせに、言えません察してくださいって酷すぎる話
主張したけど黙殺されてましたよ。この映像には出て無いけど
@@lennonminecraft スヨンちゃんが言っていたように、本来ならばパート決めの時点で「その決め方は違うよ」って言いずらいけれども、言ってあげるのが筋だったと思います。文化の違いもありますし、過ぎてしまったことなので仕方ありません。
@@mon3072 ダヨンちゃんもリーダーをやりたかったと言っていたので、真っ先に手を挙げたヤーニンちゃんに気後れしてしまったようです。このチームには、ぶつかってでもお互い話し合う必要があったと思います。
ジユンちゃんの最後の言葉でまとまった気がする😢ジユンちゃんちゃんがこのグループにいてくれて良かった❕🤍
人間性って本当大事よね
確かにサバイバルではあるけど、何のためなのかという根本を見失うとダヨンちゃんみたいになっちゃう
それでも周りは否定せず寛容さで包んで、また団結して向上しようとするのが素晴らしいのよ✨人間らしいね
頑張って欲しいㅠㅠㅠ
ただただプヤニンちゃん、リーダーお疲れ様でした。本当に🥲👍
ダヨンちゃんこの性格でよくデビューできたなって思う。協調性がない…もしデビューしてグループの雰囲気悪くなっても嫌だし落ちてほしいけど、同じcellの子がかわいそう。グループの子呆れてるやん
えダヨンちゃんて既にデビュー経験あったんですか？笑
@@user-ke4zl2pk3e lipbubbleというグループだったと思います…SMTMにも出演してたらしいです。
マスターのいうことが1から10まで正しいわ
地雷女感すごい…
あとぴかるんリップの色どうしたww
3:04 のヤーニンの表情がつらくて見てられない(;_;) さすがに可哀想
他のグループだって歌ってみて投票して決めていたし、私やる！いいよね？って勝手に決めたわけじゃなかったよね。
皆上手いからやりたかったパートを持っていかれちゃうのは仕方ないことなのに、スタートから自分がやりたいパートが出来ないことにライバルが…こんな事になるなんて…とか言っていて、たしかにライバルかもしれないけどグループは仲間で皆で作り上げていくものだよね？って思いました。
最初から最後まで自分自分だったのはダヨンちゃんだと思ってしまいました。
そしてここのチームワークを乱してしまったのもダヨンちゃんだと思いました。。。
前回の時に自分も思いました。自分がこのチームにしたのに的な事言ってたと思うんですけど、貰ったのはあくまでも自分が生き残る為のメンバーを選ぶ権利であって、チームを思い通りにする権利じゃないのにと。上に行くために強い人選んだら自分の見せ場が減るのは当たり前の話だし、思い通りにならなかった時に諦めないできちんと話合いを続けなかったのは自分なんだし。だったらヤーニンちゃんは納得してくれたんだなって思うのも当たり前だと思う。それなのに後になって先生の前で告げ口みたいに言うなんて、一生懸命リーダーの役目果たそうとして頑張ってたヤーニンちゃんに失礼だと思いましたよ。
ダヨンちゃんが納得するまで付き合ってあげるメンバー優しいな
最初のパート決めでは、ダヨン以外は不満なかったんじゃない？中間発表でダヨンの不満が明らかになって、先生達にも指摘されたから、これからのチームのために皆手挙げたんだと思う。ヤーニンは別に悪くないと思ふ、、、🥺というか誰も悪者にしたくない。tiktokとかの海外勢のヤーニン叩きが過激すぎる。
私もそう感じました🥺
@@st3599 同意見の方がいて嬉しいです、、！
同意見です
逆にユダヨンがリーダーになってたらどうなったんだろう。恐ろしい。
マスターの意見ほんとに正論すぎる
チームとして最高なパフォーマンスをするためのパート割りにすべき
ダヨンは自分の利益しか考えてない
ヤーニンちゃんさ優しいんよ！！まじで！！
本当に性格悪かったら、もう一度多数決とってその総意に従うなんてしないでしょ。
The strongest team isn't always the best, it's the most balanced that is the ideal
スヨンとジユンいいな～って思った
それなです！😢🤍
え、
「ユダヨンのこと色々いうけど結局みんなパート変更に賛同してるじゃん〜」
て言ってたひとSNSとかみたら結構いたけど、この状況でそのままいこう！とは思えんくない…？
変えなきゃすすまんからしょうがなく…って事やないん？
本番はすごくかっこよかったけどね😌
マスターにああ言われて、そのままで行きますとか普通報告できないよ。
その場合、またどこかに突撃しそうだし。
実際、変更前後でパート良くなってる子って2人程度で他はあんまり変わらない
@@Gasolinegas
ですよねぇ。
なんだか、これも含めてプヤニンが悪者にされてる感があって…。
海外の方は結構ユダヨンを擁護、プヤニンを非難してる人が多いようです。悲しいなあーー。
先生が言ったことはユダヨンに当てはまってると思うんだけど私だけ？笑
これ無理でもこれしたいとか欲1番出してるのユダヨンでは、、
I’m wondering why everyone don’t talk about suyeon. She is so generous when help Dayeon speak out when all team was confusing and because of changing lines, she have to had the only one line, her screentime was the least. Suyeon was so kind and beautifull. Hope she will have chance to show herself more
She literally even took Dayeon’s part 7 lol
YES! And the fact that she was the one opening up the suggestion and even initiating the first apology for not saying things earlier truly speaks up about her personality. She's starting the communication as gently as possible since Yaning is her cellmate and she doesn't want the atmosphere to end up looking like her cellmate didnt listen to anyone.
Such a considerate team member, respect this girl
@@arusu1806 No, Kim Su Yeon was vocal 7 before the line redistribution, so no change in her part.
Yes. She's not the one who make situation bad in her team, but she choose to end the atmospher. Thats why i really respect her.
meanwhile on two everyone just kept blaming her for saying that she wishes dayeon would've discussed this with the team first like
この実力者だらけの中でメインボーカル満票獲得するチョンジユン凄えw
あと3:39もいいこと言ってるな〜
I love how su rui qi accept it when she knows that everyone agree with the position then she will agree too, without being rude, without showing rude expression. She is being careful.
I think the problem in this team is only miss comunication and lack of communication. No one is an evil. Stop hating them like they do something rude. They are just the victim of this drama.
上手いけど圧が強すぎて
みてたら疲れる感じがあったからなぁ、、、
4話見て軽率にヤーニンを推すことを決めた
絶対デビューしてほしいですよね、！！！！
マフィア見て、余計にそう思うようになりました🙋🏻♂️ましろオンニに甘えるヤーニンかわいすぎた…
ユダヨンちゃんのシーンはまじでみんなどうしたん？って感じやったし、リーダーが可哀想やったな。。。
別にこれはエムネの悪編だとは思わなかった。
実力あるチームなんやから、自分の実力が認められない時だってありますよそりゃ。
毎回決め直してたらキリがない。
「他のメンバーもパートに不満を持っていたのに黙っていた」っていうのは違くない？
パートに不満があったわけじゃなくてチームの勝利を考えたら最善の決め方ではなかった事と、中間評価でマスターに指摘された事、それとなによりダヨンがずっとゴネてるから考え直した方がいいって手を挙げたんでしょ？
ダヨン自分勝手だな。
ユダヨン系女子グループで1人はいると思うけどここまでみんなからエッッッ？って思われてるの謙虚さがないからだと思う…
スヨンちゃん良い子や〜🥺
あと話し方がカワイイ
育ちの良さが出てる💡
0.45 Hikaru is just really nice guy. I'm very impressed with her.
Please vote for her
푸야닝 수루이치 중국식 독재로 지들 마음대로 이상한 방식으로 선정하고ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 그게 정상적인 파트 분배 방식임? 딴 사람들도 첨에 유다연이 얘기할 땐 가만있더만…. 김수연 그때 얘기해줬더라면 그러는 것도 웃기네
뭔소리야 수연이도 파트하고싶은데
포기하고 파트7했고만 그리고 이번에 재편성하먄서도 수연이는 똑같이 7파트였는데 유다연은 오히려 욕심이 너무 많아 보이더만 그리고 말 안한건 유다연 맞음
솔직히 유다연이 팀내에서 말했으면 진작해결될 문제아님? 마스터 앞에서 질질짜면서 말해서 팀분위기 흐린건 사실임 유다연 안타깝지만 이번화이후로 비호감
I feel like most of the people in this team has that “every man for himself” vibe, which makes it hard for the ones like Dayeon who are easier to intimidate. And it’s not fault to anyone that this happens, I just think this team wasn’t meant to perform together. They all suit the song wonderfully, but they don’t suit each other, which makes it difficult. They ultimately performed amazingly, I loved watching this team perform on stage. Once they finally got past that barrier of feeling like they couldn’t talk to each other, they finally felt comfortable and could talk to each other, and that’s what made their performance so good.
It's great that suyeon opened up the conversation by saying she's apologizing for not speaking up. It would have been if dayeon said it in the prev episode, but i dont want to blame anyone.
ただただプヤニンが可哀想。ダヨンの察して感が無理すぎる。ヤーニンが言わなきゃ分からないって言ってたの本当にその通り。ダヨン､､､それはさすがにわがままだよ､､､。
え、20代なの､､､？信じられない､､､。歳の割に行動が幼稚すぎる。
韓国人目線でいうとプヤニンリーダーとしていい働きしていると言えない。最初のパート分別がそれを語ってる。そして貴方たちみたいに悪編につられる方々がいるからMnetさんは常に悪役を作り出すんだよね。客観的に見てあのパートの分別の仕方は悪かったよ。それをルール？だから飲み込めと高圧的態度を最初にとっといて、パート配分に納得しないで声をあげる人を悪役に回すっていうのは一体どうなってんだって感じよ。
@@lennonminecraft それでもマスターの前で言うのはどうなのかなと思いました。他のメンバーも言っていたように、不満があるのならまずグループの中で話し合うべきではないのかなと思ってしまいました。
@@lennonminecraft 雰囲気は悪編で作られたものだけど本人の行動は悪いでしょ。
the problem with this group is not that they are bad, it’s that they’re too good…they are too good that it feels like they are competing instead of performing as a team. idk if it was yaning’s leadership or the group had absolutely zero chemistry together, none of them were happy with what part they got. they weren’t close cuz they were too focused on surviving on their own instead of surviving as a team
수연이는 원래도 파트7이라서 바꾸고 싶어했는데 바뀐파트도 7이네... 그래도 암말없이 어른스러운 모습 보여줘서 호감이다
난 김수연도 어이없던데
@@김봉석-f3q ㅇㅈ
自分だけ目立とうとしてたらグループ活動は無理だよ
ヤーニンもルイチーも素敵だったよ😢
ダヨンのせいで、団結力がないと判断されて負けた気がする…
ヤーニンも言ってくれないとわからんやろし、ヤーニンはダヨンが思ってるより常識人だと思う。しっかり相談すればよかった。
ダヨンちゃん、お見せしたいですとかお見せできるので嬉しいとかどこまでも自己満で潔い笑
lets stop blaming anyone. some of yall acting like they’re villains or sumn💀
RIGHT ! this comment section has a foul odour
plus mnet always does these kinda edits for views
truee, it always happened in this kind of survival shows (especially from mnet), at the end of the day its literally only entertainment, a lot of viewers seems like they fell on mnet's scheme again
you dayeon will get the hate from chinese fans while fu yaning will get the hate from international fans
@@ujuluda7631 poor them, they didnt do anything wrong. haters can chokr
why's everyone still going beast mode in the comments. they clearly got over this hiccup as a group and everyone is (presumably) satisfied. by the way this comment section is going, it's like someone committed murder lol
Haha cuz there's no drama from the other groups so ppl are letting all the rage that they've saved up all day out on this (completely truthful and nonedited) 4min clip.
Ikr they pushed the "perfect" image on them sm that when they do smth that is not so "perfect" they try to put the blame on others. Like just accept the fact that these girls are humans and can make mistakes too. As long as they learn from their mistakes and improve themselves, they're good
exactly! hahaha i can't believe no one else sees it this way! i mean we don't know for sure that they still harbored some "bitterness" towards each other, but even if they did they clearly got over it well enough to perform as a group!
i mean last week, after the fancams were released and people made compilations of them, everyone was praising them for their harmony and teamwork despite being individually strong. now, after this clip has been released, the audience's view of their teamwork has changed suddenly... but why??! it was still the same performance we saw from last week? and if we're basing it from the perfomance alone, i don't think anyone would say they were trying to overpower each other, because that was a very clean and amazing performance! anyone who would say otherwise is lying to themselves pls...
anyways, my point is i agree with you! they were clearly professional enough to let go of all this "bitterness" for the sake of the group and their performance! but everyone is going crazy over this "feud" as if it's gonna change the outcome of this mission lol ✌️ okie that's all! thanks for coming to my ted talk hehe
Keyboard warriors who loves to nitpick the girls and discrediting them just because of slight issues lol
@@teumetin9249 they fell for Mnet's editing lol
this entire situation paints none of the members in a good light tbh. these are some of the most talented trainees who have no clue to how to work together as a team which is so important for idols.
ダヨンちゃんがチームのみんなに言う前にマスターさんに言ったのは良くなかったと思う。先生にチクる子供みたい。
でも、1度言ったけどフヤニンちゃんに却下されたからそれ以上言いにくかったんだと思うし、意見を言えない雰囲気だっただろうなというのも分かる。
1つ言えるのは、キリングパートするならボーカルパートは少ないのにして欲しかったなと。
YESorYESのドアちゃんは、自分はキリングパートだからボーカル8でいいと言ってた。チームの為に！という気持ちがここのチームには足りなかったのかなと思います。
It’s not right for either Dayeon or Faning to be antagonised in this situation because Dayeon’s concern and frustration made sense while Faning’s decision was consented by the team at that time. The team was focusing too much on their own interest and didn’t try to match the right part to the best member, while members other than Dayeon didn’t speak up about their dissatisfaction until much later. Drama was created, time was wasted and it was definitely everyone’s fault that they couldn’t deliver their best performance.
people might be upset with her but I respect Dayeon for speaking up, almost everyone was unhappy/unsure with their parts and if she didn't say anything they would've gone in to the performance unhappy. Not going to spoil the outcome but yeah, I enjoyed their performance alot!
also SHANA made it into many people's TOP9 after today, she's so good!
true I do think she was right for speaking up but that should have been with the team and not like this...But they seemed to work it out in the end so I'm glad.
@@vexnguyen4833 she was probably talking to deaf ears, probably hard to convince the other girls cause of their ego (which they're all really talented individually)
so she had to bring in the big guns (the judges) so they listen to her~
@@eddyreacts I agree with you
@@vexnguyen4833 She already has and Fu yaning disagreed with her and told the team they can only audition for ONE part, so when Da Yeon failed to get main vocal, she was stuck with the last vocal part because she couldn't try out for any other part
exactly! dayeon did ask the team whether she can try out more parts but her request was shot down immediately by Fuyaning🤷🏻♀️....no one listen to dayeon in the first place and now they blaming her for not speaking to the team first???
Also, please, Fu Yaning didn't "shut down" Dayeon in ep 2. What she said, "everyone agreed on getting 1 chance" and "it would be unfair if we redistributed after agreeing on that rule", that's all TRUE. I've been voting Dayeon, but to cast FYN in a bad light here is unfair.
Now, the method of everyone getting 1 chance is flawed from the start-100%. I think so as well. But that's not a problem of FYN, that's a problem of everyone agreeing with something that they clearly didn't agree with anyway (since 7 out of 9 wanted to switch after). Don't take it from me: take it from Su Yeon who herself said that she wishes she said something in the beginning about the weirdness of the method.
Yes agree with you. The two situations are different because just dayeon in first round and almost in second round. I think fuyaning did right.
Exactly. Liu DUOLIAN looks annoying now
Yes, totally agree.
can y’all just accept fun wasnt the best leader like chaehyun did for yes or yes she could’ve tried to talk to them before and she also decided on being leader by herself
@@ericastephens4154 She did, and everyone agreed at the time. Dayeon didn't get upset until after she lost the vote for part one.
Why no one talks about Hikaru . She was so generous. She was great during the whole performance as well.
Please vote for her
I hate her makeup artist, she's cute but her makeup so weirdo ughhh
Hikaru is good at dance but Jiyoon, Bora, Shana, Suyeon are better in many ways.
@@myanh7832 her bare faced is so cute. i think she doing her own make up. maybe it's Japanese style or something. lol
@@iz-dle4856 I don't agree, they don't shine as much as she does
ユダヨンの必死感とその性格のせいでイメージダウンがすごい
나는 별로 미워 보이진 않았던게 편집을 자극적으로 한것같긴한데 애초에 이전에 팀 분위기를 보면 과연 따로 얘기해서 됐을까..? 싶음 파트분배 시작 전에 하나만 해야하냐 내가 잘할 수 있는거 여러개 보여주고 싶다 했는데 하나만 된다했고 수긍함. 파트 분배가 끝난후 유다연이 울었는데 이때 이유만 잘 묻고 정리했으면 굳이 쌤들 앞에서 얘기하진 않았겠지. 쌤이 파트 재분배하는건 어떻냐는 얘기를 먼저 꺼냈기때문에 참던 얘기를 한거고… 실력이 없는거도 아닌데 난 이정도 욕심은 부려도될것같아보임 너무 걍 유다연 욕먹으라고 판 짜놓은것같아서
처음부터 분배방식을 문제삼아 고쳤어야지 , 분배방식 정할때는 좋다고 손가락으로 표시하더니, 정작 지가 인정못받아 파트밀리니깐 약속했던 룰을 깨자고 징징대는게, 팀플레이하려는 인간이 싶음. 다른사람들은 실력없고 욕심없어서 가만잇는줄 아는건가??? 유다연같은 애 한명 더있었으면 연습 자체도 안되고 그냥 폭망이지... 선생들이 파트 재분배하는게 어떻겠냐고 한적은 없음. 수루이치 파트부분을 이야기 할때 다연이가 자기가 원하는 파트를 빼앗고 싶어서 선생한테 고자질한거로 보임 ... 욕심을 부려도 되는것은 '애초 파트경쟁할때 팀원에게 인정받기위해 잘해야 할때' 하는거고, 이미 결정된걸 뒤집자는것은 다수가 합의해서 결정된 남의 것을 도둑질하는자는 것이 됨. 파트정할때 리더가 정해준것도 아니고 전부 다수결로 결정해서 만들어진걸 본인이 팀원 인정못받아 파트못받은거 가지고 판을 다 뒤집자는 건 팀 전체를 망치자는 테러같음. 판을 짜놨다고 한거보니 스스로도 유다연이 잘못했다고 생각은 하나봄?? 연출된게 아니라면 유다연이 잘못한게 맞음. 만약, 중간점검때, 유다연이 그난리를 피웠는대도, 푸야닝하고 수루이치가 절대 못바꾸겠다고 했다면??? 푸야닝 수루이치도 울면서 선생한데 고자질해가며 그냥 하자고 했다면??? 푸야닝 수루이치한테 욕안했겠냐?? 8명이 전부 자기의견으로 양보안했으면 노래나 춤 연습이나 했겠냐?? 유다연이 하나때문에 상당수 연습생이 그냥 참고 양보한거다. 지때문에 밀린 쉬러웨이나 5,7,8 연습생은 자기파트 도둑질 당한거지... 리더가 팀원이 이렇게 손해보는데 다연이말 들어줘야 하냐???
@@김대진-y1h 유다연이 잘못안했다는건 아님. 딴 멤버들도 파트재분배에 동의했고 그로 인해 파트 바뀐건 본인 역량부족이고 파트에 대해 수루이치와 푸아닝빼면 다들 불만이 있던 상황이였고 유다연 혼자의 잘못으로 이루어진 상황은 아닌데 편집이 그렇게 보여서 한말임
GUYS PLEASE STOP BLAMING YOU DAYEON AND FU YA NING FOR EVERYTHING! actually it is the whole team problem, they didnt want to speak up at the first day, only dayeon did. In this situation, you guys blaming dayeon and said that she is greedy. The distribution, I think on the first day, it is unfair. But strangely, everyone agree about it. Only one person can try one part, and when they aren’t chosen, they can’t try whole other parts, and get the leftover part that no one choose (like suyeon and dayeon, when they aren’t chosen to be sub vocal 1, they ended up becoming sub vocal 7&8, because they can’t try vocal 2 or 3,4,5,6) I don’t understand why dayeon and fu yaning have to recieve so much hate when in fact both of them didnt do anything wrong, the other member is not satisfied with their part but not willing to speak up (except dayeon). they only speak up after dayeon finally say it to the trainers. Stop saying that dayeon is drama queen. You haven’t step on her shoes, are you? she is crying because of desperation, other team members also cry, but why are you guys only said that dayeon is drama queen?
@@mw4313 Dayeon just said she didn’t get the vocal part which she wants, vocal 2. But not said she think she wants try other parts and let’s members to vote. For fyn, she think dayeon just want to change part and this is unfair for other members. Actually maybe there is a problem on everyone just choose one part to show, maybe everyone try more parts and vote is better. But the question is coming, at that time no one express it. And fyn maybe thought Dayeon want to get more than one part instead of trying more part and get one the most suitable part finally. See? Language will bring some misunderstandings
팀원들에게 먼저 얘기하는게 가장 좋았겠지만 팀내 분위기에서 말할수 있는 분위기가 아니었을수도 있을듯
말했다가 괜히 자기때문에 팀분위기 안좋아졌을수도 있고 저기서 말하기 않고 팀원끼리 있을때 말하면 들어줬을까???하는 의문도 생김
@@맡길임씨한테내인생베 ㄹㅇㅠㅠ
ユダヨン、応援してたけど《チームのため》じゃなくて永遠に《自分のため》に行動しているところに腹が立ちました。正直グループにこんな奴がいたらと考えると私が何故か泣きたくなるほどでした（笑）二度と推しのいるチームにいて欲しくないと思わせるような言動にガッカリとしか言いようがないです。
ジユンいいこすぎる……사랑해요♡
that's what would happen when you put superior people as one as a group, they could make different ways to outstand. But at some point, the outcome was good and they did a great job!! I just couldn't see the unity at first!!
あの状況で笑うのはちょっと怖いと思ってしまったw
0:44
あかんここほんまつぼる
手を添えてるところも笑えるwwww
다연님 전야의 음색을 듣고 빠졌어요. 단편적인 프로그램의 모습을 보고 아이같다 이기적이다라는 평을 듣기보다는 수연님처럼 작은 파트지만 자기 한계 내에서 묵묵히 받아들이고 겸손하게 소통하며 스스로 빛나는 모습도 분명 멋있었겠죠. 하지만 꼭 그런 매력만이 전부는 아니에요. 저에겐 소통하는 부분에 있어서 서투르더라도 꿈에 대한 조급함과 자신을 보여주고 싶다는 간절함이 엿보여서 오히려 인간적인 매력이 많이 느꼈고 다연님의 꿈을 응원하고 싶어졌어요. 절대로 이 에피소드 하나 가지고 다연님의 총체적인 인상이 만들어지는 건 아니니까 너무 연연해하지 말고 힘내시길 바라요. 지금은 무관심보다 부정적인 관심이라도 주어지는 게 감사한 일이니까요. 무대를 보고 반했고 이미 반한 사람한테는 이런 에피소드는 더 지켜주고싶게 만들 뿐. 저는 다연님이 꼭 데뷔해서 더 큰 관심을 받을 거라고 믿어요. 관심이 그나마 적을 때에 사소한 에피소드로 깨달음을 얻고 미리 막는 것이 낫습니다. 왕관의 무게를 견딜 수 있도록 성숙하고 큰 사람이 되면 되는 거죠. 하루에도 틈틈이 와우띵과 전야를 감상합니다. 질리지가 않아요. 파이팅!
따뜻한 조언입니다.
너무 따뜻한 응원이네요 꼭 전해질 거라고 생각합니다 이분으로 인해 다연 님이 더 힘내실 수 있을 거라고 생각이 들고요
YOU DAYEON DEBUTED SOLO TT-TT the song is soooo good
푸야닝 잘못이... 있을까? 한 명당 한 번의 기회 있다고 할 때 다들 좋다고 했음. 유다연도 좋다고 따봉까지 날림... 근데 팀원들 한텐 말 안 하고 트레이너들 앞에서 말함 본방때 뒤 돌때 뭐하나 싶었다 ;-; 물론 이해 가는데 그 때 말했어야 맞는 거였지 그냥 엠넷 악편 때문에 사리다가 이런 일 생긴 것 같당 ㅠ
@@user-no1tc5if4w 굳이 잘못을 찾자면 팀원들 불만을 캐치하지 못한거
푸야닝 마음은 이해하지만 본인이 리더였으면 팀원들 눈치 보고
잘 해결했었어야 한다고 봄. 물론 나도 푸야닝이 너무 욕먹는거같아 불쌍함
すごく頑張ったのはすごくすごく分かるしお疲れ様でしたと伝えたい！
けれど、ダヨンちゃんは脱落するかもしれないですね。
all drama asides, why jiyoon wanted to change her part? she's already perfect as a main vocal and i can't see anyone else in that position :")
Whatever part she chose or given to her she would have nailed it. Girl’s got a killer vocal.
She probably wanted to respect the rest of the team's choice and give them a chance
I think it means jiyoon thought other persons' parts must have been changed
I think instead of “who wants to change their parts”, the question is more like “who has no problem with distributing the parts again”. Because if we look closely, Ruiqi said that “if everyone agree then I’m fine too” then she proceeded to raise her hands. It means that they were not raising their hands to change their parts because they are unsatisfied with it (except for Dayeon), but it was to show that they agreed to distribute the parts all over again if that’s for the better.
@@yereveluvies ah i see. that makes sense! i didn't really get the meaning since FYN asked the questions in chinese.. thanks for the explanation ☺️
수루이치 욕심이 과한듯... 킬링파트면 센터파트인데 센터파트에 보컬 2까지 갖고있으면 그냥 지혼자 다 해먹겠다는거잖아
흐엉 그러게요ㅜㅠ
서바이벌이라 욕심 난 거 알겠는데 근데 노래 듣기 불편하다... 스냅핑때도 그렇고 노래 부르는게 아니라 그냥 소리 지르는 것 같음;;;
차피 나중에 바꿨잖아 ㅋㅋ 누구라도 돋보일수있는 기회인데 별로 바꾸기 싫을 수 있지 ㅋㅋ 억까 지리네
엠넷은 유다연한테 고마워해야함ㅋㅋ방송 재밌게 잘나옴ㅋㅋㅋ
今後このシーンほど胸糞悪いシーンがないことを祈っています😇
0:24字幕では「欲張りだな」ですが、マスターは「(どちらも)やりたい気持ちがあるんだね」と言うニュアンスです。
字幕だけ見るとスールイチーが非難されてるようですか、違います。
？？？直訳すると、欲張りだなってはっきりと言ってますよ先生。
韓国人から言わせて頂くとあの言葉のニュアンスは野望があるなとか野心があるとかの方が合ってると思います。
そしてあの状況であの先生の言葉はしいて言えば少しネガティブな発言です。口調が優しいからそう聞こえないかも知れませんが。
@@lennonminecraft 욕심이 많구나. 가 아니라 욕심이 있네.라고 하셔서 그래요.영어 자막도 She wants both이구요.
再編成のときにみんな手をあげてるのは、納得できない人がいるなら付き合うって意味だと思う。ユダヨンちゃんは決め方な納得できないとか言ってるけど、どんな決め方でも、自分の好きなパートができなかったら、どうせグチグチ言ったと思う。あと、自分で選んだメンバーを選ばなきゃよかった的な発言とか、マスターへの告げ口とか、ちょっとあり得ないよね。
Leader is the one who guides and connects to members to form a team. THEY ARENT MIND READERS!(i saw this in the comment section but that comment really just slaps the truth though so credits to you). On the other hand, Members should participate(well it includes speaking out or suggesting things and the like)to succesfully create a team. In this case, this is members fault. A leader could not tell your full potential. If that particular persons wants the spot, She would approach the leader itself since leaders guide AND NOT BITE. Being in that team, shy aura should be eliminated. Knowing that she's in the zone of competetive elites.
THIS! its the other members problem tbh not fyn or ydy. ydy already tried to speak up but the other members keep silent so fyn thought ydy was the only one who feel disatisfied so she says it wouldnt be fair for the team. if only the fellow member speak up with dayeon during the first day, it would be resolved already and there will be no drama. yea poor dayeon and yaning, they recieve tje hate they dont deserve.
tip: next time remember to choose ppl who's weaker than you then you can get every part you want
Lol mark the sarcasm
Lol true
this sounds snarky but nako from pd48 did this and pulled home 300+ votes lmaaoooo if it works it works
true.. don't blame to overpower u when u not that great..
Oh damn
Now kids, this is why u dont make bad first impression because after that, even you are logically not at fault, people will still blame u.
I really feel bad for fu yaning
@@msh1542 i dont even like her but its just weird to blame her here
@@ujuluda7631 FOR REAL
i know right. idk how much i try to accept the “positive” side of fuyaning but i still can’t. sorry fuyaning, first impression matter:(
@@aisyahfildzah4778 it's because of eveil editing of MNET and mistranslations of languages
정지윤 탈락한거 전야조합류한게 제일큰듯 메보하면서 보컬능력은 잘 보여줬는데 조 갈등때매 탈락자 표 거의 흡수 못하고 메보롤로만 표 받아야하는데 같은 메보롤인 김보라가 메보에 리더까지 가능하니까 메보표도 얼마 못 받고 2차탈락
두번째 무대에서 삑사리 내는 등 실력 다 못 보여줬는데 김보라는 잘 했으니까 그런거지
@@김예림-t5t 7회로 공연 밀린시점에서 6화까지 분량으로 툽 받아야 하는데 하필 경쟁이 k그룹끼리만 하니까k그룹 살려야할 애들이 많은니까 표 점점 밀린거지뭐
유다연 마음을 이해하지만 먼저 팀원이랑 얘기하고 했으면 좋았을텐데 아니면 적어도 같은 셀한테 라도 고민 얘기해주지..
This comment section
10% : It's Yaning's fault
90% : Yaning was right but just because she's made a bad first impression everyone is blaming her stop y'all
Literally 😂😂
I dont stand yaning but compare to dayeon is worst. As when dayeon selected those high rank members, she should expect this or else she expected the 6 talented people to be her backup dancers in their performance? Look at suyeon, altho her part is less but she did her best to shine and never blame.
the comment session on the 1st day was all support dayeon tho...
@@珍奶巧克力 she obviously didn’t expect the popular member would clash with her personality, she probably only thinks she’ll get the winning pass by choosing them as her team, kinda feel bad for her tho, she’s the one choosing her teammates yet it backfires her
@@firafirr same idea!!! Dayeon wants to get more votes by picking top cells but don’t they get the vocal part what she wants. Which made me 🤮.
i’m legit confused as to how many people are defending dayeon by hating on yaning bc honestly this situation doesn’t paint ANY of the members in a good light, they didn’t all raise that they want to change parts, dayeon didn’t assert herself only until it was in front of the mentors, yaning should have sought more opinions as a leader. i’m not saying that yaning is an angel, but i just think that people are hating blindly on her. and c’mon, it’s a mnet survival show. we all know it’s gonna be r*gged anyway, if not explicitly in terms of votes, in terms of screentime and editing. take a chill pill everybody
Except Dayeon said in the last episode that she wanted to try out and redistribute but all the members told her no soooooo
@@QueenIrene4382 i’m saying she didn’t assert herself meaning she didn’t make it clear that she wanted to redistribute for the sake of the team, it could seem that she was just unhappy with her parts bc she didn’t get the part she wanted as she was agreeable before that. the way she put it across just wasn’t the best, but like i mentioned, the other members as well not voicing out earlier and yaning not seeking more opinions are also factors too. it was just an unfortunate unfolding of events in a group where there are so many talented strong headed people. peace
Ok, people might come at me for saying this but I was a bit uncomfortable with seeing Dayeon saying that in front of the judges. it’s her who chose all the strong ones in the first place and she ends up breaking down when they became too strong for her to compete with. I’m not saying she cried on purpose but her displaying those unfair expressions and suddenly started crying made it seem like the other teammates were prohibiting her from speaking up or as if her teammates are tying her down. Let’s make it short, I think that’s just her using the victim card.
agree
i agree with u she choose the wrong move and end up exposing her own selfish side
agree.. i can see she turns back to the wall just to collect her tears to make her look like victim and her teammates looks bad especially to fyn since she's the leader.. i can see that when she get the part 4 she can't even reach the note well.. and on the self cam u can see that she not immerse in the performance since she keep on touching the earpiece and her hair.
tbh: don't blame me but that the reality..
agree
So true... it's not even Mnet evil editing. She is really immature to act like this. So I don't understand why people blaming FYN for it.
Here's my opinion.
Yaning strategy for picking the parts was terrible, but except for Dayeon no one complained so she didn't know that many were unsatisfied with their parts.
Dayeon was kinda selfish. The second she didn't get what she wanted she already started to call her teammates "rivals". Like she was expecting something in return for choosing them. At the same time I'm glad she spoke up, the performance initially was a bit of a mess but the final one was more balanced.
The thing is, she was making it too dramatic, turning around, making weird faces and asking the masters if they wanted to listen to her try some parts. I get why some of her teammates were annoyed at her BUT they kinda put the blame only on her. It was clear that nobody was happy but they just didn't talk and then when they got to change the parts they all took the opportunity. They also said she didn't say anything to them, when she actually cried and said that she wasn't happy with her part.
Didn't like this team at all honestly.
The members shouldn’t have agree with the leader at first it they wasn’t satisfied like seriously the leader is doing great if I’m at her position I will be mad lol like imagine I’ve ask everyone and everyone agree with it but later on everyone suddenly told the mentors that they doesn’t satisfied with it and I’m like whatttt
It was probably a delayed response. The members thought they were happy with their parts at first but after some practice they felt that it wasn’t right and wanted to change after performing in front of the judges.
Yes the method of distributing the parts weren’t perfect but they all agreed to it so everyone’s responsible for what they agreed to.
And if I had to guess how Dayeon had been if she was leader is that she’d grabbed the killing part, part 1 or 2 without any discussions and then FYN would have put up resistance. Dayeon would mope when she’s not voted for the parts. I don’t dislike her but that’s how childish she is being portrayed right now. I’m sure she is a great gal. Just not how I’m seeing so far.
@Don't ever reply to me 🙄
Dayeon and Ruiqi are clearly selfish.
@@iz-dle4856 Why Ruiqi?
This is why Pretty U was the Goldilocks of the three. Mic Drop team was too insecure about themselves, so they tried to rely heavily on each other. While The Eve team members were too overconfident about themselves that they tried to rely less on their teammates .
言い方悪いけど、ダヨンちゃんがずっと被害者ヅラしてるのが腹立つな
Instead of blaming one or two people, in my opinion, I think it is better to say that everyone is at fault because they didn't communicate well with each other. This team lacks teamwork and communication. I hope they can all learn from this.