Great to learn of the technology in these cars and how the driver interacts and even adjusts elements whilst in the race. You would think they would have enough to do whilst also adjusting balance and the other array of knobs on the steering wheel between corners.
I'm wondering what happens when you vary the bbal. Does it just change how much brake fluid goes to each master cyl? Btw, this is the first good explanation of bbal I've seen, I have always been confused by it and my question is the only doubt I have left. It feels so refreshing to have good explainer videos that don't assume you know everything already, and as a 17yo aspiring engineer, I love that. Amazing to see your channel growing with such high quality content, Brrrake F1!
On this version of brake by wire. When you change the brake balance it changes how much pressure is applied to the rear as a function of the front pressure. I didn't get into it but there's also a layer of temperature correction 😬
If you want to "get it" even better, take a look at the "brake bias bar" on a 125 shifterkart. Essentially, it is a Driver adjustable bar between the two master cylinders that controls how much of the force from your foot pedal goes to the front master cylinder, and how much percentage is applied to the rear master cylinder. In fact, if you are 17, you should go out and get a 125 shifterkart, even if only to take it for a few laps after a race day. It will forever change your life. 😀
Thanks, nice explanation. It would be cool, if you could explain how teams try to get the optimal tyre window and why teams especially in 2023 ( see last race in barcelona ) have issues to make the different tyres work in the best window. Sometimes it's really confusing when u watch qualifying or the race and some teams struggle with different tyres and some don't. Apart from that, another idea maybe for a video, would be how you set up your car when u're gaming ( F1 Assetto Corsa WRC etc. ). Where do you start etc.? Think this would be a fun one :D
Hey Romeo, I'll try to do a short on the tyre window next time. I talked about it a bit in my newsletter last week. Also, you read my mind. I'm trying to figure out which software package to use, but I'm going to start doing some "race engineering for iRacing" etc. The F1 game setup adjusters don't really mean anything unfortunately, so that's a tough one.
I know its only SIM, but it does lend some credibility to just how AMAZING Pro drivers are. Going FAST is Deceptively hard. I have always pride myself in learning new systems and methods with ease. I've always been a quick study and am typically quite good at things from the start. Excelling quickly to quite proficiant levels. SIM DRIVING on the other hand, and Race Craft in general, is an ENTIRELY different animal all together. Learning to drive fast, and competing even with 900-1300 iRating my first month is proven incredibly difficult. Whole new respect for what drivers can do. Edit: Incredible upload here. New Sub.
Wow! I will watch this a few times in order to understand everything (sort of, anyway). This is absolutely fascinating, and very well presented. Bravo!
Cheers, Robert! It's a really top-level view of it. but I'm tempted to do a write up for my newsletter and go into more detail with diagrams and a bit more specific explanation!
Man you are a genius. I am a total nerd about such things and like to delve deep into these technical things even when i know i am not get any use out of it in my life 😂. The moment you said it's where things get exciting, my first thought was this is where it gets even more complicated
I remember an interview with Damon Hill during hiw F1 career explaining how important was braking. If you brake too soon or late you will lose the ideal corner line and a lot of time will be lost. It´s insane drivers has to djust brakes from corner to corner and also control acceleration, strategy, etc.
This was extremely helpful information. This helped me understand brake migration much better than how it was explained to me by a fellow sim racer. Great stuff.
I love how your content is developing so much, been a fan since it started. Only suggestion I have is that you need to focus on slowing down your talking and really letting your points land. Seen a bunch of great youtubers go through this (deadmeat in particular comes to mind). I am so excited for the next decade of your content
What great video! First of yours that I have seen. Been an F1 fan since the Senna-Prost-Mansell era and your explanation is clear but also with a good level of detail. Rear brakes work more or less as I expected (not dissimilar to hybrid cars) but still nice seeing it spelled out. Subscribed. Looking forward to exploring your channel.
I used to think drivers actively turn that bb dial in the middle of braking. Did they use to do that before the hybrids? Also, Blake, what about that antidive? /s
They don't adjust it mid brakes, always before teh braking zone. The anti-dive video is coming out next week or the week after> Just finished recording it :)
Thoroughly interesting. Will need to watch again to grasp all of the info. looking forward to the next one and one with the anti dive suspension you mentioned on Twitter. Thank you.
@@brrrake Not sure which of those two you support, but I still feel Lewis was to blame for that one. It's great to see you reply to a lot of posts (to grow your channel), but I understand if you don't want to take the bait here 😬
Outstanding. You take the explanation right to the limits of my technical grasp and not beyond it so far that I’m lost! Thank you! Question: how deeply must drivers understand the physics of the car, engine, braking systems, etc and to what degree does that influence their performance? Is it possible to rank drivers based on their technical understanding of the cars they drive?
Thanks so much. The level of detail is really hard for me to judge but this feedback is very well received. The drivers should know a bit in general but they don't need to be experts. Technical understanding is only important up to a certain level. I'd prefer the driver is rapid and has good feeling and ability to determine what handling ailment is the limit factor as quickly as possible rather then he a suspension expert, for example. Engineer drivers are very annoying because they are wasting CPU trying to do the engineers job. But the engineer also needs to be excellent
Do the teams play around with the brake by wire controls on the rear to get some effective/legal anti lock braking? Either thru the MGU-K or friction brakes?
Could you please explain what exactly increase braking in road cars? 1. How is a bigger caliper with more pistons better then a floating caliper? 2. How bigger brake pad in bigger caliper increase braking if the formula for traction = u*N (so there is no area in it) 3. If tires are a final limiting factor and OEM brake system should be able to exceed traction of oem fitted tires then how is bigger brake with a bigger rotor (leverage) be better? If it really is? 4. What is a correlation between max tire grip (=max deceleration/braking force acting on a car) and kinetic energy that needs to be dissipated when braking from high speed? I cant understand those aspects of braking. Are bigger brakes not stronger (ignore leverage) but rather just much more temperature resistant so the don't really brake harder but rather they dont brake less when heated up?
All of the questions are kind of related, and it's somewhat straight forward to give an overview. Maximum grip determines the maximum torque we need. The torque is a product of the friction capability of the pad and disc interface. We should always be able to have sufficient torque to lock the brakes (but for performance we want to actually avoid locking). Then we have a few linked concepts. You have the size of the brakes - so the pads and discs have some mass. Then we have the braking duty cycle - how much energy do we need to dissipate? THEN we have the idea of the friction variation as a function of temperature, and also the idea of the "safe" operating temperature range for the disc and pad combination. So you're on the right path, but all of them are related!
@@brrrake Right, so is this my misconception (cos of ABS working) that you cant lock up brakes at 200km/h? Your second paragraph is about the fact that bigger and better brakes wont overheat and loose torque - so what I states id correct that all those multipiston calipers are mostly for more heatsoaking mass and better clamping force distribution so that no one spot is overheated before the rest. The part that I still dont get is the relation between torque/deceleration and kinetic energy. Lets take an example of braking form 100 and 200 km/h (1 - 4x of energy) Torque is related to friction so its related to clamping force and coeficient of friction. So if we apply the same force on braking pads at 100 and 200km/h is there a difference at torque? Braking from 200km/h takes a lot of time and distance because the the is more energy to dissipate and so aplying the same force does not provide the same torque at higher speed (cos torques is related to deceleration of a car) I hope you can spent some more time explain this to me as I CANNOT FIND ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION :/
@@pazera66 I think you're trying to do too much at once. Torque generated on a given set of brakes is a function of pressure and temperature (roughly). Same pressure/temperature, same torque. The torque at brakes, generates force at tyre, generates deceleration of car. A car with downforce the drivers have to reduce the pressure as the car slows. Figure out what the maximum braking torque is at any speed (related to how much grip you have - related to how much downforce you have).
@@brrrake Ok, I get it. The temp is a very important hence small cheap brakes will overheat very quickly and so they will limit torque on later stage of braking. Lastly, this might be silly but please explain to me why braking from 200km/h takes so long compared to braking from 100km/h ? If we apply the same pressure and have the same starting temp then why braking distance is not just 2x? If brakes are just energy conversion system that does it means that by braking from 200->170 we heat up the brakes with same energy as with 100->0 energy and therefore the temp is now higher and is limiting factor later on? Super thanks for your replies
I remember when Jenson and Lewis were teamates, one of them preferred an understeering car and one preferred an oversteering car. Is brake balance the main adjustment for that?
Thank you for making such a detailed video, i think i might have to rewatch this couple of times to understand whole thing. Lokking forward to next video in this series
Absolutely amazing! Now, how to know when the problem in corner entry lies in in brake shape or coast differential setting (suspension settings, allignment, weight distribution and aero ignored)?
once i heard (it was lando i think) that they are not exactly putting 120kg on brake pedal because the gforce helps them do it so they are applaying lower force on a break, is it real?
Yeah you can change them, but discs and calipers are expensive. Usually you'll use a new set of brakes from quali onwards. The brake calipers are lifed and do several events
Thank you Blake for being honest about the brake pressures and not multiplying the number by 6 like most f1 ‘content creators’ Also it makes me laugh when people say the braking makes there head fly forward blah blah.. the HANS literally stops your head from moving forwards 😂 why do people have to make it sound harder than it probably is?
@@erpaderpa4469 I just have never come across any F1 content creators that suggest brake pressure is 3/4 of a ton so I couldn't understand why you were thanking this guy for not doing a thing that as far as I'm aware, nobody is doing. Care to name & shame anyone?
@@teabagmcpick889 literally everyone video of ‘normal person drives F1 car’ ‘my face was in the cockpit when I brake’ ‘I hit the brakes as hard as I can and engineer told me it was 20% pressure’ Every human adult that an F1 team would allow in their car is capable of pressing a brake pedal beyond about 35kg.. (which is ‘about’ 20% of 125kg kill me for not doing the maths. All I’m talking about is the fact I don’t like it when people are goaded into believing that there’s such a thing as ‘normal person’ vs ‘super strong f1 hero grr’ all athletes are normal people that just work harder than ‘normal’ people 🤷♂️ but instead of telling people try harder we tell people ‘some people are just different’ and if people don’t know any better it can really impact them negatively. If I was to pick apart what you said, ‘I just have’ is kindergarten English.. You take a statement I clearly made figuratively and tried to make it sound 100% literal.. I obviously didn’t mean 3/4 of a ton.. what you are doing is trying to sensationalise, discredit and take out of context.. very typical and pathetic card to play in 2023. If you can’t understand why I said ‘thanks for being honest’.. wow.. just wow The worrying thing is I get the impression you’re not actually a 16 year old but you 100% sound like one.. why is that always the case with English ‘adults’ And in answer to your question.. the most popular ‘normal guy drives f1 car’ is vinwiki.. literally 8 minutes of sensationalising and acting 🥴 I wonder why we don’t agree huh
@@teabagmcpick889 and before you try and quote me directly on the 20%.. I’m not watching the video again 😂 you get my point.. I don’t care if he said 60%, point still stands 🤷♂️ All adult males can press 70-80kg of pressure through one leg quite easily.. it is not something to get giddy about.. especially with the g force of braking throwing your body forward.. which he didn’t talk about.. ironically 🤷♂️
@@brrrake Is the hydraulic system highly regulated, or is there some design freedom in the size and set up? I am wondering if this is something that can be tailored to a car or particular driving style, or if it is pretty standard. Thanks so much for being so informative and engaging!
@@chadjones6144 there is not much performance in it. Generally some drivers have a preference for more or less stiffness but considering one of the master cylinders is effectively blocked into a sensor it's very stiff.
Its disappointing that the "telemetry" they show on broadcasts as a graphic on the halo is inaccurate and never shows the drivers trailing off the brake, making the uninformed totally miss the nuance of braking.
@@brrrake Is the Throttle application graphic accurate atleast?? As for the brake graphics, I thought that the teams don't share real time brake pressure data that's why it's shown as either ON or OFF on the tele
I hope you explain Brake Migration. I don't think I understand them too well because to me they sound like abs 2.0, which would suck. E1: Yikes, this is kind of all over the place, so much unneceasry math man... I feel like you made Brake Balance so much insanely complicated to understand than it actually is. At 4:35 you say it won't be a physics lessons but it ends up being one... E2: 8:40 Ah, video finally starts. Great info Sorry if I sound critical, just in a mood lately lol. Maybe I'm not the targe audience... Love your livestreams tho!
Maybe I missed a bit but it's hard to explain it without the why. Otherwise it would be a 60s short with not so much substance that most people have already heard before
you're 100% wrong about ABS and tires not locking... road marks show tires in locked state creating a dashed pattern on roads...just because it's named ANTI LOCK doesn't mean the tires NEVER lock... IT MEANS IT KEEPS THE LOCKED STATE FROM PERSISTING... the EVIDENCE IS ON THE ROADS.... NOT IN YOUR MIND OR YOUR MOUTH
I can see that you're having some issues with your caps lock. I hope everything is ok. Sorry I didn't go into detail about the nuances of ABS. It's not what the video was about. Have a great day and be sure to take care of your keyboard.
@@brrrake IT'S NOT NUANCES... LIKE YOU'VE NEVER LOOKED AT A ROAD WHERE AN ACCIDENT TOOK PLACE... TIRE MARKS ARE THE EVIDENCE WHICH YOU IGNORE ON YOUR EXPLANATION OF ABS.
@@brrrake Haha...I love how you reduced the discussion to a broken capslock instead of entertaining the TROLL.....Looks like someone needs an Anti-Caps Lock system installed on their keyboard😂
Cars aren't able to predict the locked state BECAUSE the locked state is DEPENDANT ON ROAD CONDITIONS more than brake pressure. Rain, Oil, thin covering of sand, gravel, dirt, snow, ice... please... cars aren't predicting the locked state to know how much pressure to apply before the tire locks up.... ABS prevents a STEADY STATE LOCKED CONDITION, it's not preventative any and all locked conditions... you're a bit convoluted and WRONG
Wing aero is dumb and inefficient. Fan aero is superior to wings and underfloor. It can be switched off on the straights and maximised in the corners. The time will come when old fashioned F1 wings and diffusers will be replaced by efficient and massively effective fan systems.
Not sure what to say, honestly. This video isn't for vehicle dynamics experts, that's for sure. I am working on a series of content for people that sit in their armchair and add nothing to discussions. I'll let you know when it's live!
@@brrrake from the video title I expected to see some drivers technics explaining HOW drivers do it perfectly. But instead whole video about brake bias what is familiar to any F1 fan for ages.
Great to learn of the technology in these cars and how the driver interacts and even adjusts elements whilst in the race. You would think they would have enough to do whilst also adjusting balance and the other array of knobs on the steering wheel between corners.
They are busy, but also have a lot of extra CPU!
@@brrrake and the best ones are overclocked :P
Absolutely love the passenger faceplant to demonstrate the deceleration 😂😂
Underrated channel for engineering students and enthusiasts in general… Amazing work❤️🔥🙌
Thanks so much! Another one coming hopefully next week as well 😄
I'm wondering what happens when you vary the bbal. Does it just change how much brake fluid goes to each master cyl? Btw, this is the first good explanation of bbal I've seen, I have always been confused by it and my question is the only doubt I have left. It feels so refreshing to have good explainer videos that don't assume you know everything already, and as a 17yo aspiring engineer, I love that.
Amazing to see your channel growing with such high quality content, Brrrake F1!
On this version of brake by wire. When you change the brake balance it changes how much pressure is applied to the rear as a function of the front pressure.
I didn't get into it but there's also a layer of temperature correction 😬
@@brrrake Thank you!
If you want to "get it" even better, take a look at the "brake bias bar" on a 125 shifterkart. Essentially, it is a Driver adjustable bar between the two master cylinders that controls how much of the force from your foot pedal goes to the front master cylinder, and how much percentage is applied to the rear master cylinder. In fact, if you are 17, you should go out and get a 125 shifterkart, even if only to take it for a few laps after a race day. It will forever change your life. 😀
Perfect topic for this channel, which is the best technical F1 channel on YT.
Thanks, nice explanation. It would be cool, if you could explain how teams try to get the optimal tyre window and why teams especially in 2023 ( see last race in barcelona ) have issues to make the different tyres work in the best window. Sometimes it's really confusing when u watch qualifying or the race and some teams struggle with different tyres and some don't.
Apart from that, another idea maybe for a video, would be how you set up your car when u're gaming ( F1 Assetto Corsa WRC etc. ). Where do you start etc.? Think this would be a fun one :D
Hey Romeo,
I'll try to do a short on the tyre window next time. I talked about it a bit in my newsletter last week.
Also, you read my mind. I'm trying to figure out which software package to use, but I'm going to start doing some "race engineering for iRacing" etc. The F1 game setup adjusters don't really mean anything unfortunately, so that's a tough one.
@@brrrake cool, looking forward to it 👍and agree f1 game setup isn't it. Interesting, will check iRacing at the moment i enjoy Assetto Corsa a lot.
Thanks for sharing your craft in so much detail with us!
Oh no, using the silverstone incident when talking about understeer! Very bold but I love it!
Understeer be understeerin 🤷♂️ 😅
I know its only SIM, but it does lend some credibility to just how AMAZING Pro drivers are. Going FAST is Deceptively hard. I have always pride myself in learning new systems and methods with ease. I've always been a quick study and am typically quite good at things from the start. Excelling quickly to quite proficiant levels. SIM DRIVING on the other hand, and Race Craft in general, is an ENTIRELY different animal all together. Learning to drive fast, and competing even with 900-1300 iRating my first month is proven incredibly difficult. Whole new respect for what drivers can do.
Edit: Incredible upload here. New Sub.
Seeing this version of Blake so much calmer than that Engine Braking podcast is so strange.
Was going to say the same thing
Different channel 😅
I'm such a nerd for F1, this channel (and also Sam Collin's F1 tech talk segments) is just paradise for me
Sam is a good one!! Thanks mate!
Blake of BrrrakeF1 and one half of The Engine Braking Podcast talks about braking.
Sounds good. I'll watch.
When the engine braking crew come thru 🙏 glad you enjoyed it dude
Wow! I will watch this a few times in order to understand everything (sort of, anyway). This is absolutely fascinating, and very well presented. Bravo!
Cheers, Robert! It's a really top-level view of it. but I'm tempted to do a write up for my newsletter and go into more detail with diagrams and a bit more specific explanation!
This is so much better than any tech talk thursday on the main F1 channel!!!
Tell them 😅 maybe they'll listen!
Man you are a genius.
I am a total nerd about such things and like to delve deep into these technical things even when i know i am not get any use out of it in my life 😂.
The moment you said it's where things get exciting, my first thought was this is where it gets even more complicated
I remember an interview with Damon Hill during hiw F1 career explaining how important was braking. If you brake too soon or late you will lose the ideal corner line and a lot of time will be lost. It´s insane drivers has to djust brakes from corner to corner and also control acceleration, strategy, etc.
Love the use of 2021 Silverstone for understeer. That was the first race I ever watched (or the sprint the day before from memory but…)
Classic understeer moment 😅
This was extremely helpful information. This helped me understand brake migration much better than how it was explained to me by a fellow sim racer. Great stuff.
I love how your content is developing so much, been a fan since it started. Only suggestion I have is that you need to focus on slowing down your talking and really letting your points land. Seen a bunch of great youtubers go through this (deadmeat in particular comes to mind). I am so excited for the next decade of your content
Love this type of content. Insightful in to the intricacies of F1.
best one yet Blake! keep them coming!!
Thanks for going into some detail about the brake migration system, it'll help understanding it better in the sim.
What great video! First of yours that I have seen. Been an F1 fan since the Senna-Prost-Mansell era and your explanation is clear but also with a good level of detail. Rear brakes work more or less as I expected (not dissimilar to hybrid cars) but still nice seeing it spelled out. Subscribed. Looking forward to exploring your channel.
Thanks so much! I will keep digging into more topics like this !
Great video ! Thank you very much ! So crazy !
I used to think drivers actively turn that bb dial in the middle of braking. Did they use to do that before the hybrids?
Also, Blake, what about that antidive? /s
They don't adjust it mid brakes, always before teh braking zone.
The anti-dive video is coming out next week or the week after> Just finished recording it :)
Yeah they did use BB before the hybrids, it wasn't on the wheel though in years gone
@@MrTomWaffles the clip in the video is Schumacher around Monaco making BB adjustments. It was on a ratchet mechanism before.
Thoroughly interesting. Will need to watch again to grasp all of the info. looking forward to the next one and one with the anti dive suspension you mentioned on Twitter. Thank you.
I'm glad you enjoyed it man! The anti dive video is with the editor now
Great video about an important technical detail the regular F1 fan won't know about 👍😊
Your videos are always very knowledgeable, great job dude
LOVE that clip of Lewis punting Max off during the understeer explanation 😂
It's understeer 🤷♂️ 😅
@@brrrake Not sure which of those two you support, but I still feel Lewis was to blame for that one. It's great to see you reply to a lot of posts (to grow your channel), but I understand if you don't want to take the bait here 😬
@@gerhardvaneeden5615 it's so long ago it doesn't matter 😅
Outstanding. You take the explanation right to the limits of my technical grasp and not beyond it so far that I’m lost! Thank you!
Question: how deeply must drivers understand the physics of the car, engine, braking systems, etc and to what degree does that influence their performance? Is it possible to rank drivers based on their technical understanding of the cars they drive?
Thanks so much. The level of detail is really hard for me to judge but this feedback is very well received.
The drivers should know a bit in general but they don't need to be experts.
Technical understanding is only important up to a certain level. I'd prefer the driver is rapid and has good feeling and ability to determine what handling ailment is the limit factor as quickly as possible rather then he a suspension expert, for example. Engineer drivers are very annoying because they are wasting CPU trying to do the engineers job. But the engineer also needs to be excellent
Wow this video is so good, I learned so much! Subbed!!!!
Thank you for the video Blake, very insightful!
Mega video Blake, awesome detail!
Amazing video and cool Animations keep it up!
Love this insight into the technologies, keep it up!
Excellent video! Thanks!
Landed here before making the decision to start a journey into a season of F4. :)
Do the teams play around with the brake by wire controls on the rear to get some effective/legal anti lock braking? Either thru the MGU-K or friction brakes?
They can try but rules are very restricted and there's no feedback loop which could make ABS.
Congrats and thank you. Very insightfull.
Great content Blake!!
Brrrake talks about Brrraking :)
Jokes aside, I'm loving everything you're doing Blake, thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Ha the original comment was quite good 😅
awesome video
Amazing blake. Big fan
Great information, excellent work
Glad you enjoyed it!
Now I knew where you get that name 'Brrrake'
Could you please explain what exactly increase braking in road cars?
1. How is a bigger caliper with more pistons better then a floating caliper?
2. How bigger brake pad in bigger caliper increase braking if the formula for traction = u*N (so there is no area in it)
3. If tires are a final limiting factor and OEM brake system should be able to exceed traction of oem fitted tires then how is bigger brake with a bigger rotor (leverage) be better? If it really is?
4. What is a correlation between max tire grip (=max deceleration/braking force acting on a car) and kinetic energy that needs to be dissipated when braking from high speed?
I cant understand those aspects of braking. Are bigger brakes not stronger (ignore leverage) but rather just much more temperature resistant so the don't really brake harder but rather they dont brake less when heated up?
All of the questions are kind of related, and it's somewhat straight forward to give an overview.
Maximum grip determines the maximum torque we need. The torque is a product of the friction capability of the pad and disc interface. We should always be able to have sufficient torque to lock the brakes (but for performance we want to actually avoid locking).
Then we have a few linked concepts. You have the size of the brakes - so the pads and discs have some mass. Then we have the braking duty cycle - how much energy do we need to dissipate? THEN we have the idea of the friction variation as a function of temperature, and also the idea of the "safe" operating temperature range for the disc and pad combination.
So you're on the right path, but all of them are related!
@@brrrake Right, so is this my misconception (cos of ABS working) that you cant lock up brakes at 200km/h?
Your second paragraph is about the fact that bigger and better brakes wont overheat and loose torque - so what I states id correct that all those multipiston calipers are mostly for more heatsoaking mass and better clamping force distribution so that no one spot is overheated before the rest.
The part that I still dont get is the relation between torque/deceleration and kinetic energy. Lets take an example of braking form 100 and 200 km/h (1 - 4x of energy)
Torque is related to friction so its related to clamping force and coeficient of friction.
So if we apply the same force on braking pads at 100 and 200km/h is there a difference at torque? Braking from 200km/h takes a lot of time and distance because the the is more energy to dissipate and so aplying the same force does not provide the same torque at higher speed (cos torques is related to deceleration of a car)
I hope you can spent some more time explain this to me as I CANNOT FIND ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION :/
@@pazera66 I think you're trying to do too much at once. Torque generated on a given set of brakes is a function of pressure and temperature (roughly). Same pressure/temperature, same torque. The torque at brakes, generates force at tyre, generates deceleration of car.
A car with downforce the drivers have to reduce the pressure as the car slows.
Figure out what the maximum braking torque is at any speed (related to how much grip you have - related to how much downforce you have).
@@brrrake Ok, I get it. The temp is a very important hence small cheap brakes will overheat very quickly and so they will limit torque on later stage of braking.
Lastly, this might be silly but please explain to me why braking from 200km/h takes so long compared to braking from 100km/h ?
If we apply the same pressure and have the same starting temp then why braking distance is not just 2x?
If brakes are just energy conversion system that does it means that by braking from 200->170 we heat up the brakes with same energy as with 100->0 energy and therefore the temp is now higher and is limiting factor later on?
Super thanks for your replies
I remember when Jenson and Lewis were teamates, one of them preferred an understeering car and one preferred an oversteering car. Is brake balance the main adjustment for that?
Thank you for making such a detailed video, i think i might have to rewatch this couple of times to understand whole thing. Lokking forward to next video in this series
How does Suspension (hard and soft ones) affect grip and stability of the car?
You'll love my video coming out later next week or the week after! 😉
More technical content please!
Absolutely amazing! Now, how to know when the problem in corner entry lies in in brake shape or coast differential setting (suspension settings, allignment, weight distribution and aero ignored)?
Experience is important here! I'm going to try and do a series I'm iRacing on this for sports cars. Like general car setup stuff
@@brrrake sweet! Thanks a lot
Superb, thank you!
had you been Danny RIccs performance engineer instead of Max's, it would be an icing on the cake for this video
I still don't understand why he got that reputation. I guess mostly from 2014?
Great vid…this will all change of course when Merc perfects their top secret asphalt magnets.
I've patented them already
Brilliant video - Cheers!
Sub'd!
Love these types of videos.
This channel is like the antidote to Ted 'beautiful and intricate detail on the new end plate' Kravitz...
I am dying 🤣
😆😜
once i heard (it was lando i think) that they are not exactly putting 120kg on brake pedal because the gforce helps them do it so they are applaying lower force on a break, is it real?
The average human leg weighs about 10kg or so. 5g on a 10kg leg - so yeah there is some deceleration assist, but the peak leg force is quite high
oh yeah i forgot that legs weight abou 10kg not 70kg mb, great video btw😊
@@lukaszkwiatkowski6859 but it's still a lot of force at 5g!
Oversteer is easy to understand it’s just S🅱️innala
Extreme sbinnnalala
excellent discusssion!
Gosh, I love this info!
Great explanation, mate.
Thank you!
Always live your vids!
Made the mistake of starting to watch this before my morning coffee.
Coffee up and come back!
So where do brake components fall with regard to replaceable parts, especially within the cost cap? Can they be replaced at each race?
Yeah you can change them, but discs and calipers are expensive. Usually you'll use a new set of brakes from quali onwards. The brake calipers are lifed and do several events
Stupid question but is engine braking front and rear or only rear?
Rear only as that is the only thing connected to the drivetrain.
Engine braking just impacts the rear axle of the car, as it goes through the gearbox. If you had all wheel drive, this would be different!
Alonso ,"Tell Lance to try my brake balance" later on locks up and loses position
then what is the Tyre Mu for FSAE supra cars
Thank you Blake for being honest about the brake pressures and not multiplying the number by 6 like most f1 ‘content creators’
Also it makes me laugh when people say the braking makes there head fly forward blah blah.. the HANS literally stops your head from moving forwards 😂 why do people have to make it sound harder than it probably is?
What?
@@teabagmcpick889 sorry, too much critical thought for you?
@@erpaderpa4469 I just have never come across any F1 content creators that suggest brake pressure is 3/4 of a ton so I couldn't understand why you were thanking this guy for not doing a thing that as far as I'm aware, nobody is doing. Care to name & shame anyone?
@@teabagmcpick889 literally everyone video of ‘normal person drives F1 car’
‘my face was in the cockpit when I brake’
‘I hit the brakes as hard as I can and engineer told me it was 20% pressure’
Every human adult that an F1 team would allow in their car is capable of pressing a brake pedal beyond about 35kg.. (which is ‘about’ 20% of 125kg kill me for not doing the maths.
All I’m talking about is the fact I don’t like it when people are goaded into believing that there’s such a thing as ‘normal person’ vs ‘super strong f1 hero grr’ all athletes are normal people that just work harder than ‘normal’ people 🤷♂️ but instead of telling people try harder we tell people ‘some people are just different’ and if people don’t know any better it can really impact them negatively.
If I was to pick apart what you said, ‘I just have’ is kindergarten English..
You take a statement I clearly made figuratively and tried to make it sound 100% literal.. I obviously didn’t mean 3/4 of a ton.. what you are doing is trying to sensationalise, discredit and take out of context.. very typical and pathetic card to play in 2023.
If you can’t understand why I said ‘thanks for being honest’.. wow.. just wow
The worrying thing is I get the impression you’re not actually a 16 year old but you 100% sound like one.. why is that always the case with English ‘adults’
And in answer to your question.. the most popular ‘normal guy drives f1 car’ is vinwiki.. literally 8 minutes of sensationalising and acting 🥴 I wonder why we don’t agree huh
@@teabagmcpick889 and before you try and quote me directly on the 20%.. I’m not watching the video again 😂 you get my point.. I don’t care if he said 60%, point still stands 🤷♂️
All adult males can press 70-80kg of pressure through one leg quite easily.. it is not something to get giddy about.. especially with the g force of braking throwing your body forward.. which he didn’t talk about.. ironically 🤷♂️
I feel so dumb sometimes, idk why it's so hard for me to understand!!!
Hey I saw your tweet about Ferrari's pace. The cumulative delta plot uses the average lap as a reference?
Depending on which graph usually average of several drivers. Usually the top 4 or 5
Can you please explain what does brake migration do as well?
I am going to work on another video or at least a short about it
Username checks out
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrake balance
What simulation software did you use?
When? For this video? Nothing. Just some calculations in Excel.
Is the brake by wire system only allowed on the rear of the car?
In F1, yes. Formula E uses front axle BBW and rear axle electric only (and now an emergency brake)
@@brrrake Is the hydraulic system highly regulated, or is there some design freedom in the size and set up? I am wondering if this is something that can be tailored to a car or particular driving style, or if it is pretty standard. Thanks so much for being so informative and engaging!
@@chadjones6144 there is not much performance in it. Generally some drivers have a preference for more or less stiffness but considering one of the master cylinders is effectively blocked into a sensor it's very stiff.
Ok. This is me just asking.Did you really ask CHATGPT on the 2023 Driver champion
Not chat GPT, another generative AI
@@brrrake thanks bro.
Nice to see Thomas D Gillespie lying on the table.😊
Finally someone has spotted it 🤣🤣 great book
great content
What a banger of a video!!!!!!! Omg
0:21 "Not a Formula 1 driver" seems to have loose belts. Naughty naughty.
Yeah this video is actually wild. Loose and improperly fitting belts. 😬😬
When’s the next video coming getting withdraws 😢
Next week! Got some more stuff coming as well!
Brain melt down
Its disappointing that the "telemetry" they show on broadcasts as a graphic on the halo is inaccurate and never shows the drivers trailing off the brake, making the uninformed totally miss the nuance of braking.
There is something weird with this data. I don't know why they obscure it. WEC doesn't.
@@brrrake Is the Throttle application graphic accurate atleast?? As for the brake graphics, I thought that the teams don't share real time brake pressure data that's why it's shown as either ON or OFF on the tele
Did I hear somebody say "Anti-Dive"?
Just recorded that video today. Hang tight
Wait till people find out that drivers brake and gas at the same time
Too much crossover is bad bad
I hope you explain Brake Migration. I don't think I understand them too well because to me they sound like abs 2.0, which would suck.
E1: Yikes, this is kind of all over the place, so much unneceasry math man... I feel like you made Brake Balance so much insanely complicated to understand than it actually is. At 4:35 you say it won't be a physics lessons but it ends up being one...
E2: 8:40 Ah, video finally starts. Great info
Sorry if I sound critical, just in a mood lately lol. Maybe I'm not the targe audience... Love your livestreams tho!
Maybe I missed a bit but it's hard to explain it without the why. Otherwise it would be a 60s short with not so much substance that most people have already heard before
how come he left his job in F1?
Breaks 🤔🤔 McLaren ⛳
Im a 60 kg 181cm skinny guy, and i easily brake with 100 kg of force on my sim, so you're telling me there's a chance if i become a billionare?😂😂😂
The team and car matters as much as the driver. The combination that’s best wins. That’s it.
But, super cool video. Just a bad headline imo.
I honestly hate titles and thumbnails for UA-cam, trust me. 😓
Brakes being so good is ruining F1, make them worse to expand size of breaking zone.
you're 100% wrong about ABS and tires not locking... road marks show tires in locked state creating a dashed pattern on roads...just because it's named ANTI LOCK doesn't mean the tires NEVER lock... IT MEANS IT KEEPS THE LOCKED STATE FROM PERSISTING... the EVIDENCE IS ON THE ROADS.... NOT IN YOUR MIND OR YOUR MOUTH
I can see that you're having some issues with your caps lock. I hope everything is ok. Sorry I didn't go into detail about the nuances of ABS. It's not what the video was about. Have a great day and be sure to take care of your keyboard.
@@brrrake IT'S NOT NUANCES... LIKE YOU'VE NEVER LOOKED AT A ROAD WHERE AN ACCIDENT TOOK PLACE... TIRE MARKS ARE THE EVIDENCE WHICH YOU IGNORE ON YOUR EXPLANATION OF ABS.
@@emteehed hi mate your caps lock is broken again.
@@brrrake Haha...I love how you reduced the discussion to a broken capslock instead of entertaining the TROLL.....Looks like someone needs an Anti-Caps Lock system installed on their keyboard😂
@@Nichaansama I just don't understand the person's comments they have nothing to do with anything
Break by wire - haha.. bbw
Heh heh. I deliberately didnt use that description so people didn't google it 🤣
One half of the Fraud Team Champions has returned to educate us.
You gotta calm down with your hands man. Its like you were talking in sign language the whole time.
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Im too stupid to understand this video 😂
Watch it a few times. I believe in you!
Cars aren't able to predict the locked state BECAUSE the locked state is DEPENDANT ON ROAD CONDITIONS more than brake pressure. Rain, Oil, thin covering of sand, gravel, dirt, snow, ice... please... cars aren't predicting the locked state to know how much pressure to apply before the tire locks up.... ABS prevents a STEADY STATE LOCKED CONDITION, it's not preventative any and all locked conditions... you're a bit convoluted and WRONG
Okay well like... I tried. I'm not trying to spend 3 minutes explaining the nuances of ABS 👍 you could make a video on it and share it though!
Wing aero is dumb and inefficient.
Fan aero is superior to wings and underfloor. It can be switched off on the straights and maximised in the corners.
The time will come when old fashioned F1 wings and diffusers will be replaced by efficient and massively effective fan systems.
next time mark your video as "for dummies". Also good job on repeating same things 10 times (to fill a video?)
Not sure what to say, honestly. This video isn't for vehicle dynamics experts, that's for sure.
I am working on a series of content for people that sit in their armchair and add nothing to discussions. I'll let you know when it's live!
@@brrrake from the video title I expected to see some drivers technics explaining HOW drivers do it perfectly. But instead whole video about brake bias what is familiar to any F1 fan for ages.
@@vyacheslav_potapenko yes because brake by wire, load transfer, brake torque arbitration. Everyone knows about that. Silly me.
@@brrrake well I'm from sim racing world - yes we know a lot :D
@@vyacheslav_potapenko I'm sorry the braking technique is not so exciting then. Lots of pedal pressure. Bleed pressure as grip drops, don't lock up. 😅
1st 😅😅