After watching this video, I decided to buy a flask of whiskey and soak my reeds in it. I was astonished to find that my reeds play so smoothly. No struggle with altissimo or low notes. This video has changed my playing. Thanks so much.
Be EXTREMELY SURE that what you buy is not poisonous. There's more than one kind of 'alcohol' and some are extremely dangerous to ingest (blindness, death, organ failure, etc). Would you soak your reed in gasoline? NO. Rubbing alcohol and isopropryl alcohol are POISON. You need to use 'booze' alcohol, AKA 'liquor' (which is meant to be consumed).
Hi. I do any necessary adjustments first and then straight in the vodka. Once pickled for 48 hours they require very little break in. So after! Hope you’re well. Joel. 👍🏼
Gotta say, i keep my reeds in a little medicine bottle of Irish whiskey, and they behave so much nicer now, and it skips about 2 to 10 minutes of getting a reed wet and ready to use. you get a big 🤙from me mate. Excellent tip. The leaking container in a gig bag however is a bit of an issue though, still workshopping a better storage solutuon for em. tupperware maybe? maybe a glass jar with a flip lid?
Joel taught me this method back in 2015 at Leeds Conservatoire. Still using it to this day. I hardly buy reeds at the rate I used to. Thanks for the pro tips Joel! Legend!
Since I have been relearning to play the alto sax, i have only used those single plastic reed holders. The reed geek, I have heard a guy on another channel talk about it. As he also mentioned, I have only been soaking my reed in glass of water for 30mins prior to playing. Hearing you talk about soaking reeds in vodka, and keaving them in there until ready for playing, is totally new to me.
I used to use Vodka, now I use something similar. I keep them in a reed juvinate, Smooth them down with a reed geek and they're ready to go. They last quite a while. I bought a box of 10 Roberto's Winds a year ago and still have 4 left.
Hi. Yes, the reed juvinate is a decent solution compared to most, but for me it doesn’t have the same benefits of hygiene / enzyme destruction! What works for you is always the best solution! Hope you’re well.
@@geoffcsax Definitely let me know how you feel it compares. What I also like about vodka is it’s purity and lack of other ingredients. You never can tell how an ingredient may affect the cane. 👍🏼
Dear Joel, Tanks for this good advice. I have tried it out for 3 weeks now and it really works. And the best thing of all is that not only it improves the quality of the reeds but so you also always have a drink with you in case of emergency 😉. And, believe it or not, the whisky I use tastes better after 3 weeks with the reeds. 🙂 Cheers, Marco from Thailand
I use Listerene. I found a container on Amazon for keeping your ID/driver's license, credit dards or other paper items in when at the beach. I thought that if it kept water out, it should keep Listerine in. It seals very tightly. I change the Listerene once a month. In the last 18 months, since I've been doing this, I've lost 2 reeds in the way you said you lost yours, by breaking them on something.
Are you in the US? I went for vodka at the time because most of the flavours of Listerene in the UK either had no alcohol or fairly low levels and I was also concerned that the other chemicals may affect the cane. The Listerene in the US at that time had a much higher alcohol content too. I’ve just had a look and the flavours offered now 15 years on in both the UK and US seem to the same. The strongest appears to have about 21% alcohol. However, I still think I’ll be sticking with the vodka at 40% alcohol and no extra chemicals to be on the safe side. Thanks for sharing. Best wishes.
@@JoelPurnell I am in the US. The alcohol level is 26.9%. The other ingredients seem to be for taste and antiseptic properties. There is a yellow dye that tints the reeds a bit and another ingredient that acts as a preservative of all things. It seems to be doing a good job. I haven't noticed a degradation in the reed strength. Maybe that's the preservative acting. Lol.
Ok, so I went out and bought a (small) bottle of vodka and tried this. I don't have a reed geek gismo, so I used the side of a chisel to flatten the bottom of the reed. I duly soaked 5 (almost) new reeds for 48 hours, and then went to play a gig at a wedding. Unfortunately, all of the pencil marks that I had used to grade the individual reeds had washed off; I couldn't tell which reeds were the best ones, but it didn't seem to make any difference. They all played straight out of the bottle. I will definitely store my reeds this way in future. Thanks for the tip!
Via Donna Schwartz's vast videos, I tried the original Listerine route and absolutely love it! I use my Reed Geek to flatten or otherwise alter them, place them back into the plastic reed cover they came in, and store 5-7+ of them in my plastic container designed to keep your I. D. or other valuables dry while canoing or camping. On average, my reeds now last at least a month or two, even if I don't rotate them. Due to the extended longevity & resulting decreased turnover rate, I use empty covers to fill in any empty space formerly occupied by the now unnecessary additional reeds.
I'm new to learning the Sax (with Sax School) and that was very interesting & helpful. I've been worried about the hygiene issue and have been soaking my reeds in food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide for about 15 mins after use then wash off with water before putting in a reed holder, I didn't think you were supposed to keep them wet & soaked permanently. I will try this Vodka system. Thank you Joel.
I play synthetics because I prefer them. Specifically Fiberreed black onyx. I spent years practicing how to shave cane reeds with a proper bevel knife, use sandpaper, and multiple techniques to preserve them/break them in. I felt like I had cane reeds mastered, but I tried synthetics to help out my doubling in pits. I tried every brand that I could get online. Most synthetic options aren't good. Like not even close. Even the most popular brands were disappointing. Fiberreed carbon classic and black onyx are the only reeds I've found that are *better* than cane. I recommend you give them a try. I've been on them for more than a decade, and I still love playing on them.
@@poullamhauge5863 This is a copy paste: Alto - RPC (.90 opening) or Vandoren Jumbo Java A55 - Black Onyx Medium Tenor - RPC (.110 opening) - Black Onyx Medium Bari - RPC (.120 opening) - Black Onyx Medium Soprano - Vandoren V16 (S7) - Black Onyx Medium Clarinet - Jody Jazz (#4) - Black Onyx Medium Soft
Interesting video with good tips! I’ve done some DIY experimenting myself and came pretty close to Joel’s conclusions. Interesting difference is that Joel keeps them in alcohol for 48 h. And also store them in alcohol. I use a combination of water and alcohol. I soak them in water for about 5 min. before playing. After playing wipe it of with a cloth and dip it in alcohol both ends and then store the reeds in a good quality old style reedcase. That is: No flimsy modern plastic reedcases that would crack with one drop to the floor! Doesn’t matter if it’s got super humidifier-systems etc. Right cases is with glass for the reeds (keeps them flat!) and the box made out of wood. My reeds also last for a very long time. I d say about 3-4 month per reed. But I will definitely try Joel’s method with the 48 h soak! Questions: 1. No experience with the reeds getting too soaked?? At least that’s my experience with water.. they sort of “die” when they are staying in water constantly, that’s my opinion..? But maybe it’s different with alcohol? 2. The storage.. if you keep them in that alcohol for storage that means some reeds gonna be in there “forever”at least more than 48 h… what happens to them then?
Thanks! I do keep all the reeds in the vodka permanently unless literally being played. They don’t ‘water log’ like in water as the alcohol evaporates off the reed pretty quickly just leaving it feeling damp. The 48 hours bit is simply that I won’t play a brand new ‘dry’ reed UNTIL it’s first been soaked for 48 hours to ‘pickle’. Then they live in there forever! Best wishes.
@@JoelPurnell Thanks for fast answer Joel! I will absolutely try you’re method! As you said. The hardest bit might be finding the proper plastic container.. I’m from Sweden and have found that in the food store they sell spices in small glass containers. it’s a petty they are made of glass as you say.. I now use one of those for my “alcohol-dip” procedure. You’re system seem smarter as I won’t need 2 containers and also no need for a reedcase in the case! I will look for medicin boxes and see what I find! Thanks again!
@@matsmanteatern698 Hi there! If you have trouble finding a suitable container, I got mine from one of those online shopping platforms. Basically, it's a water bottle for toddlers! Small 180ml capacity, about 10cm plus in height and about 4-5cm in width. Perfect for storing at least 10 reeds or so. It's made of BPA free plastic, the same kind that you get with Nalgene water bottles. I tested mine with water and it seals really well without leaking.
Hi Joel, I've changed back to cane reed's since the masterclass you delivered at the last Sax School Weekender I attended. I was so impressed that I thought that I'd be daft not to give it a go. The reeds are 2 weeks in and still playing perfectly and I'm averaging 2 hours a day practice. I'm really interested to see how long they will last.
Hello After watching this video I tried soaking the reeds in vodka. The results are excellent. Only problem I am seeing is that the reed tips are getting wrinkled when kept outside for an hour, especially for low strength reeds like 2 and 1.5. May be that alcohol gets evaporated faster and tips being so thin gets stressed. Now I am trying one unit vodka + 2 unit clear water solution. Since he water content is more, I hope it wont get dried up so fast. Any experiences from others ? I don't have a reed geek. I am using a High Speed Steel Lathe Tool bit, which serves the purpose....
Joel, you mentioned keeping the vodka soaked reeds in a sealed container. You also mentioned that you put the treated reeds in a sealed bag when going to gigs. How long will they stay moist in the bag and do you not bring the plastic vodka filled container with you to gigs?
Hi Joel, thanks for this. Heard about Vodka before, but getting the reed pickled is new to me 🙂. Modified this a little bit for my use and seems working. Using HSS lathe square tool as reed geek alternative, then pickle using water and cane white vinegar solution. The vinegar is also fermented from cane so thought should be no issue with cane reeds ;-) , and can also destroy bacteria and viruses. Time will tell if this works in the long run.
I had a lot of success with the vodka years ago but since I don't drink alcohol I noticed I was getting a little buzz from the alcohol so I switched to brown mouthwash lightly diluted with water. This worked but I believe the dilution with water diminished the results. Thanks for sharing. I still have my containers so I'm going to get back to it. I'll keep you posted.
Yes, definitely give it another try! Just give them a little dry as I demonstrated in the video and give the tip 30 seconds for some of the surface moisture to evaporate and you shouldn’t really taste or feel anything! I’ve not touched a drop for 12 years either and I don’t notice it using this method. Best wishes.
Great to view , I had a question about adjustments- If after 48 hours in the vodka and the reed feels too stiff or unbalanced would you make any adjustments at that stage ie with reed geek or similar. At present is soak in water for 3 mins approx then almost always end up balancing etc to get best response so i am wondering when or whether i will be doing this with the vodka treatment-john
Hi. No, not in my experience. It evaporates off quite quickly. I’ve have reeds that have been soaked for years and they are absolutely fine. Best wishes.
If I alternate three different Saxes through show, would it make sense setting the mouthpiece with reed mounted, into water to keep from drying during a half / hour time frame versus the Vodka ? Otherwise wondering what the Vodka would do to the mouthpiece protector bite pad staying adhered to it. I would like to consider going back to cane reed since I'm not %100 happy with synthetic. So many factors and worse when trying to play between more than one Sax.
I wouldn’t suggest either putting them in water or putting your mouthpiece in vodka. I’d just set them all up on the mouthpieces before the 1st set begins and as long as they are all played in rotation throughout the set they should be fine. Also, I probably would only part dry the one that I start the gig on and I’d put the other 2 on wet to help retain moisture. However, I would definitely then put them all back in the vodka during the interval to re-pickle! Hope you’re well.
I also play 3 saxes on my gigs (soprano, alto, and tenor). My best solution so far is using the Francois Louis mouthpiece caps that have the white felt on the inside of the cap. The felt keeps an airtight seal on the reed so the reed doesn't dry out. I haven't tried the vodka method yet. I just use water. I also have a small bottle of water ready in case I don't play one of the saxes for a long period... I just quickly insert the mouthpiece with reed attached into the bottle for a second. I will definitely try this vodka method because I would love for my reeds to last longer. I hope my Francois Louis mouthpiece cap works well with the vodka... maybe I will still need that bottle of water to quickly wet the reed if it dries out.
Wow, I never knew this feature of Louis's mouthpiece caps. I have a couple of the Ligatures but no caps which I finally looked into. Very sharp idea. Thanks for info.@@markwhite-what-da-jazz
Here is my method. I don't add any water to the felt inside the cap. The wetness of the reed is all that is needed when I use these F.L. caps, unless you use extra hard reeds and you always like as much wetness as possible. The first time I tried using this cap, I tried adding a drop of water to the felt... it actually made the reed too water-logged for me. When you put the cap on the mouthpiece, angle the cap so it doesn't brush the tip of the reed. I actually damaged a few of my reeds on the sides, but I didn't realize it until after the gigs. I had such an easier time using the F.L. caps that the reeds still played better even with that small damage than the usual dry warping reeds. Outside gigs get more difficult. I always make sure I have a bottle of water to dip my mouthpiece in if the reed gets dry on the outside gigs. I don't take the mouthpiece off... I just tip the sax so I can dunk the mouthpiece and exposed reed into the bottle of water for just a quick second.
@JoelPurnell Thanks. That's the question I was going to ask. How often to change the solution? Also, does the sharpie pen stand up to the alcohol? Doesn't fade away? I know it's supposed to be permanent, but alcohol is a pretty powerful solvent for some things. Another thing, Isopropyl (rubbing alcohol) is seriously toxic (a cupful will likely kill you, and just a half a spoonful will tear your gut to pieces).
@@SamWattRock It really depends. Basically, if it starts to look a little cloudy or there’s signs of sediment starting to accumulate at the bottom it’s definitely time to swap it out! I very briefly run each reed under the tap and put them carefully on some kitchen roll, rinse out the container, refill and get the reeds straight back in. I tend to end up doing this every 8-12 weeks on average. Sharpie doesn’t run (obviously let it dry first before putting in vodka) and doesn’t wear off. Yes, I highly advise against using Isopropyl alcohol! Hope you’re well.
Thank you for this video. One question.... how often do you change out the vodka in your reed bottle? After watching this video this past Sunday, I soaked my soprano reeds in vodka for 3 days and I am astonished how well they play. Before soaking the reeds, I chose the best reeds out of a new box... I played each reed for about 30 seconds and then I let them dry out before soaking them in the vodka. I numbered them in order of strength from soft to hard to see if the soaking would change the strength of the reeds. I used my reed geek to make sure the part of the reed that sits on the table of the mouthpiece was flat (like you showed in this video). I was surprised that the reeds felt exactly the same strength as when I tried them new out of the box. They look like they are water-logged so I wasn't expecting them to play at all for me. I did wait for the first reed to dry out about five minutes before trying it. The second reed I tried, I quickly dried it off with a cloth and I immediately started playing it and I realized that I don't have to let the reed dry out first. Even though the reeds look water-logged, they dry out very quickly (the alcohol doesn't let the reeds get water-logged like you said). I will do this vodka soaking with my alto and tenor reeds also.
Hi Joel ... good video (especially as I like to keep a little vodka in the house - for emergencies ) = change of subject , someone has already asked about a side key lifter/riser : I would like to ask if you have installed a lift / riser / extension onto your low B flat key ? if so, your experience would be appreciated.
Hey joel, do you ever have to flatten the reed again after soaking it in vodka to ensure it’s sealing? And do you measure to make sure the reed is meeting the facing on your mouthpiece? I also soak my reeds in vodka but this part can cause some inconsistencies for me in the reed. Great video!
Is there no worries about the tip of the reed constantly touching/tapping the base of the container? would it be safer to keep the reeds in the plastic case?
Hi Joel, this question just came to mind.. Have you ever had your reeds warp whilst using this method of storage? Since the reeds are moving about freely in the vodka.. they never really come into constant contact with a flat surface like the conventional reed storage method using a case and thus my curiosity. I just received my storage container today. It's one of those toddler water bottles with a 180ml capacity, with sufficient height and width to store the reeds safely and yet small enough to fit in most cases. Hard plastic, BPA free and seals pretty good thus far that I've tried it! Appreciate your response to my question when convenient. Thanks!
Hi. No, they only ever warp if left out of the vodka whilst not being played for too long, or if the vessel isn’t sufficiently full so they end up only partially submerged. Hope that helps. Best wishes.
I was told that the reds need moisture and therefore the reed need to be put in water for a few minutes before playing. May I know if the new reed after flattening need to be soaked in water before soaking in volka? If not, how can the reed has moisture? Thanks
One question... how often do you replace the vodka in your reed bottle? I just started using this method and it's working great for me. I'm just wondering how often I should replace the vodka in the bottle.
Never mind. I found my answer down in the comments below. You said every 3 months or sooner if I see contaminants in the bottle. Thank you again for sharing this. I'm really loving this method so far. I've never had reeds stay so consistent like they are with this vodka method. I'm doing it with my tenor, alto, and soprano reeds. I play tested all of the reeds before I put them in the vodka and I labeled the reeds with a sharpie with numbers to keep track of the softer to harder reeds. I don't feel any change in strength after soaking them in vodka for weeks now. I realize I should have not put the harder reeds in the vodka. I should have adjusted the reeds completely before putting them in vodka because the vodka really does seal the reeds. I think I will let the harder reeds dry out and adjust them and then store them in vodka again for at least 48 hours before using them.
Can I maybe get some pointers for the bit Joel is playing around 15:50. I really liked that phrase, but can't figure out what he's actually doing. Thanks!
Hi. I’m playing down chromatically alternating normal and alternate fingerings, into a pentatonic shape also descending chromatically (I think!). Hope that helps. 👍🏼
Hi, fascinating! Do you know whether this would work for oboe reeds as they have the cork and metal staple and binding thread as well as the cane. Have you heard any experiences of how they go when permanently immersed in vodka? Thanks!
Hi. Sorry, I honestly don’t know the answer to that unfortunately. If you’ve got an old one, give it a try I suppose and let us know! Best wishes. Joel. 👍🏼
Any high strength (drinkable) alcohol is fine, as long as it doesn’t have a high sugar content. Not sure Jaegermeister fits into that category though! 👍🏼
Thanks for the information Joel. I'll use the bourbon and drink the Jaegermeister. What about methylated spirits/rubbing alcohol? (concerned about the taste?)@@JoelPurnell
Hi there all, I'm a saxophone newbie, can someone tell me, if you soak the reed(s) for around 48 hrs before use, when you actually come to use them, do they go back in the vodka (or your own special solution) after you've played/practiced, or is it a 'done deal' after the first vodka dosing? Any help appreciated 👍
@@JoelPurnell Thanks so much Joe, yes, I thought that's what you said, just wanted to check, in case I ended up developing a mad habit! Hope you're well also, and I appreciate the reply very much. Best wishes to all.
@@JoelPurnell I see! Very nice :) By the way, awesome video with all the detailed information. It has never crossed my mind to do something as crazy as soaking my reeds 24/7 in vodka, but I think I might give it a go with my next batch of reeds. The biggest plus factor has gotta be the cane reed getting so much more mileage than it otherwise would! Thanks again 🙏🏼
I used to do this when I was younger... I tried it again recently, but somehow all the vodka ended up in my bloodstream before I could get it in my reed jar... can't explain it.
Great video, and inspiring playing. I've been trying something similar with vodka in a small airtight Tupperware and a piece of sponge at the bottom, but just a bit of vodka to keep the sponge moist. It seems to work well, though the reeds turn dark and ugly. Maybe mold? I'll try full immersion. Do you think there would be any disadvantage to keeping the reeds in those plastic holders (while immersed in the vodka)?
Thanks! Yes, the vodka probably won’t work to well on a sponge it will evaporate quickly and the humid conditions in the sealed container could promote mould. Full submersion is what I strongly recommend. As for the plastic reed holders, I’d also be a little careful. They may degrade in the vodka and pulling a soaked reed out of them (as they can be quite tight) could potentially damage the reed. Hope that helps!
Cool ! I just started using vodka for my reed soak. I'm over 18 so you haven't contributed to my delinquency, by the way. Related question comes up. Warped reeds. I've noticed that if it starts squeaking and squawking a lot, sometimes I can see it's warped. But is there a way to look and determine visually if a reed is too warped to use? How much is too much? Is the slightest warp too much?
Hi. Warping occurs for main 2 reasons in this scenario, most commonly you’ve left the reed out of the vodka unplayed for too long and it’s dried out. Or it’s not fully submerged whilst in storage. Either way it should revive after 24-48 hours back in the vodka. Playing any reed when it’s warped isn’t generally a good idea. Firstly it doesn’t play well (dull & odd sounds) and secondly it is more likely to chip or split the reed. This is why it’s good to rotate a few reed so you can swap them out and get on with your practice! Best wishes.
Due to some back issues when I was younger, it’s a bespoke stand that I created myself with the help of a great engineer called Dave Walker. Unfortunately, due to the way it connects to my specific sax and the time it took to find the perfect centre of balance, it isn’t transferable to other horns. If it was I’d be selling them!! Best wishes.
NO. NO. NO. THAT'S POISON. You need to use 'booze' alcohol, like VODKA. Isopropyl alcohol (AKA rubbing alcohol) is EXTREMELY POISONOUS. The reed is going in your mouth. If there's some reason that you can't use vodka, at least use something like Listerine, with ethanol.
I use my sax every day so change out the alcohol around every 4 weeks to be safe, it depends on the size of container, the smaller the more often. The reeds really keep for a long time.
Hi. It really depends. Basically, if it starts to look a little cloudy or there’s signs of sediment starting to accumulate at the bottom its definitely time to swap it out! I very briefly run each reed under the tap and put them carefully on some kitchen roll, rinse out the container, refill and get the reeds straight back in. I tend to end up doing this every 8-12 weeks on average. Best wishes.
Please don't make my mistake , my wife likes whisky . ( occasionally) 😂 . So, I thought yeah thats alcohol . I didn't realise it was whisky and honey. 😢 ruined three reeds.
Sure, vodka _does_ make better almost anything. Even that ugly woman at the table across from you. As we say here in Russia: _There are no unattractive women at all. There is not enough vodka._ Thank you for the tip Mr McGill!
After watching this video, I decided to buy a flask of whiskey and soak my reeds in it. I was astonished to find that my reeds play so smoothly. No struggle with altissimo or low notes. This video has changed my playing. Thanks so much.
Came for the alcohol and stayed for the tune!!
That tune you’re playing sounds amazing. Where can I hear the full version??
Joel, great tips - if not vodka, you can buy alcohol in small plastic bottles in France from chemists or supermarkets
Sounds handy, but if it’s Isopropyl Alcohol it’s potential a skin irritant, probably best to keep away from your mouth and lips! 👍🏼
Be EXTREMELY SURE that what you buy is not poisonous. There's more than one kind of 'alcohol' and some are extremely dangerous to ingest (blindness, death, organ failure, etc). Would you soak your reed in gasoline? NO.
Rubbing alcohol and isopropryl alcohol are POISON. You need to use 'booze' alcohol, AKA 'liquor' (which is meant to be consumed).
Hey Joel,
Do you break in your reeds before/after they go into the happy juice?
Thanks
Hi. I do any necessary adjustments first and then straight in the vodka. Once pickled for 48 hours they require very little break in. So after! Hope you’re well. Joel. 👍🏼
Gotta say, i keep my reeds in a little medicine bottle of Irish whiskey, and they behave so much nicer now, and it skips about 2 to 10 minutes of getting a reed wet and ready to use.
you get a big 🤙from me mate. Excellent tip.
The leaking container in a gig bag however is a bit of an issue though, still workshopping a better storage solutuon for em. tupperware maybe? maybe a glass jar with a flip lid?
Joel taught me this method back in 2015 at Leeds Conservatoire. Still using it to this day. I hardly buy reeds at the rate I used to. Thanks for the pro tips Joel! Legend!
Thanks! Hope everything's good! Best wishes. Joel. 👍🏼
That's a BOSS horn you have in the background. That tenor sax sound is also BOSS.
Thanks! 🙏 They are both lovely ‘horns for life’! Had them both for well over 20 years and have never played any better for my taste. Love ‘em!! 👍🏼
Since I have been relearning to play the alto sax, i have only used those single plastic reed holders. The reed geek, I have heard a guy on another channel talk about it. As he also mentioned, I have only been soaking my reed in glass of water for 30mins prior to playing. Hearing you talk about soaking reeds in vodka, and keaving them in there until ready for playing, is totally new to me.
Try it out and let me know how you get on!
I used to use Vodka, now I use something similar. I keep them in a reed juvinate, Smooth them down with a reed geek and they're ready to go. They last quite a while. I bought a box of 10 Roberto's Winds a year ago and still have 4 left.
Agree, but I use Reed juvinate and natural Listerine. One reed is very good for 4-5months with 2h play EVERYDAY!
Hi. Yes, the reed juvinate is a decent solution compared to most, but for me it doesn’t have the same benefits of hygiene / enzyme destruction! What works for you is always the best solution! Hope you’re well.
I will try your method to compare
@@geoffcsax Definitely let me know how you feel it compares. What I also like about vodka is it’s purity and lack of other ingredients. You never can tell how an ingredient may affect the cane. 👍🏼
Dear Joel, Tanks for this good advice. I have tried it out for 3 weeks now and it really works. And the best thing of all is that not only it improves the quality of the reeds but so you also always have a drink with you in case of emergency 😉. And, believe it or not, the whisky I use tastes better after 3 weeks with the reeds. 🙂
Cheers, Marco from Thailand
😂 Glad it’s working out for you! 👍🏼
I use Listerene. I found a container on Amazon for keeping your ID/driver's license, credit dards or other paper items in when at the beach. I thought that if it kept water out, it should keep Listerine in. It seals very tightly. I change the Listerene once a month. In the last 18 months, since I've been doing this, I've lost 2 reeds in the way you said you lost yours, by breaking them on something.
Are you in the US? I went for vodka at the time because most of the flavours of Listerene in the UK either had no alcohol or fairly low levels and I was also concerned that the other chemicals may affect the cane. The Listerene in the US at that time had a much higher alcohol content too. I’ve just had a look and the flavours offered now 15 years on in both the UK and US seem to the same. The strongest appears to have about 21% alcohol. However, I still think I’ll be sticking with the vodka at 40% alcohol and no extra chemicals to be on the safe side. Thanks for sharing. Best wishes.
@@JoelPurnell I am in the US. The alcohol level is 26.9%. The other ingredients seem to be for taste and antiseptic properties. There is a yellow dye that tints the reeds a bit and another ingredient that acts as a preservative of all things. It seems to be doing a good job. I haven't noticed a degradation in the reed strength. Maybe that's the preservative acting. Lol.
Ok, so I went out and bought a (small) bottle of vodka and tried this. I don't have a reed geek gismo, so I used the side of a chisel to flatten the bottom of the reed. I duly soaked 5 (almost) new reeds for 48 hours, and then went to play a gig at a wedding. Unfortunately, all of the pencil marks that I had used to grade the individual reeds had washed off; I couldn't tell which reeds were the best ones, but it didn't seem to make any difference. They all played straight out of the bottle. I will definitely store my reeds this way in future. Thanks for the tip!
Awesome!
Sharpies are the way to go! 👍🏼
Via Donna Schwartz's vast videos, I tried the original Listerine route and absolutely love it! I use my Reed Geek to flatten or otherwise alter them, place them back into the plastic reed cover they came in, and store 5-7+ of them in my plastic container designed to keep your I. D. or other valuables dry while canoing or camping. On average, my reeds now last at least a month or two, even if I don't rotate them. Due to the extended longevity & resulting decreased turnover rate, I use empty covers to fill in any empty space formerly occupied by the now unnecessary additional reeds.
Great! Glad you’ve found a method that works for you too! Best wishes. 👍🏼
Fantastic information! I previously only soaked my reeds in vodka for a few minutes, and still had issues. Can’t wait to try your process!
Thanks Joel yes, this is why I discarded Cain for plastic but, I'll certainly try your method
Let us know how you get on! 👍🏼
I'm new to learning the Sax (with Sax School) and that was very interesting & helpful. I've been worried about the hygiene issue and have been soaking my reeds in food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide for about 15 mins after use then wash off with water before putting in a reed holder, I didn't think you were supposed to keep them wet & soaked permanently. I will try this Vodka system. Thank you Joel.
You definitely shouldn’t keep them permanently in water, but vodka is a different matter! Let me know how it goes. Hope you’re well.
I play synthetics because I prefer them. Specifically Fiberreed black onyx.
I spent years practicing how to shave cane reeds with a proper bevel knife, use sandpaper, and multiple techniques to preserve them/break them in. I felt like I had cane reeds mastered, but I tried synthetics to help out my doubling in pits. I tried every brand that I could get online.
Most synthetic options aren't good. Like not even close. Even the most popular brands were disappointing.
Fiberreed carbon classic and black onyx are the only reeds I've found that are *better* than cane. I recommend you give them a try. I've been on them for more than a decade, and I still love playing on them.
Thanks for sharing! Definitely sound worth a test play. Best wishes.
I play carbon onyx medium and T6 vandoren.
What setup du You use?
@@poullamhauge5863 Rigotti Gold Jazz with an Otto Link 7*. 👍🏼
@@poullamhauge5863 This is a copy paste:
Alto - RPC (.90 opening) or Vandoren Jumbo Java A55 - Black Onyx Medium
Tenor - RPC (.110 opening) - Black Onyx Medium
Bari - RPC (.120 opening) - Black Onyx Medium
Soprano - Vandoren V16 (S7) - Black Onyx Medium
Clarinet - Jody Jazz (#4) - Black Onyx Medium Soft
Excellent. I’m trying this today !!!
Very kind of you to share this excellent tip and explain the details to make it a success. 🙂
No problem!
Interesting video with good tips! I’ve done some DIY experimenting myself and came pretty close to Joel’s conclusions. Interesting difference is that Joel keeps them in alcohol for 48 h. And also store them in alcohol. I use a combination of water and alcohol. I soak them in water for about 5 min. before playing. After playing wipe it of with a cloth and dip it in alcohol both ends and then store the reeds in a good quality old style reedcase. That is: No flimsy modern plastic reedcases that would crack with one drop to the floor! Doesn’t matter if it’s got super humidifier-systems etc. Right cases is with glass for the reeds (keeps them flat!) and the box made out of wood. My reeds also last for a very long time. I d say about 3-4 month per reed. But I will definitely try Joel’s method with the 48 h soak! Questions: 1. No experience with the reeds getting too soaked?? At least that’s my experience with water.. they sort of “die” when they are staying in water constantly, that’s my opinion..? But maybe it’s different with alcohol?
2. The storage.. if you keep them in that alcohol for storage that means some reeds gonna be in there “forever”at least more than 48 h… what happens to them then?
Thanks! I do keep all the reeds in the vodka permanently unless literally being played. They don’t ‘water log’ like in water as the alcohol evaporates off the reed pretty quickly just leaving it feeling damp.
The 48 hours bit is simply that I won’t play a brand new ‘dry’ reed UNTIL it’s first been soaked for 48 hours to ‘pickle’. Then they live in there forever! Best wishes.
@@JoelPurnell Thanks for fast answer Joel! I will absolutely try you’re method! As you said. The hardest bit might be finding the proper plastic container.. I’m from Sweden and have found that in the food store they sell spices in small glass containers. it’s a petty they are made of glass as you say.. I now use one of those for my “alcohol-dip” procedure. You’re system seem smarter as I won’t need 2 containers and also no need for a reedcase in the case! I will look for medicin boxes and see what I find! Thanks again!
@@matsmanteatern698 Ah yes, a spice bottle seems perfect, assuming it's the right size and the lid doesn't leak. They're a couple bucks, online.
@@matsmanteatern698 Hi there! If you have trouble finding a suitable container, I got mine from one of those online shopping platforms. Basically, it's a water bottle for toddlers! Small 180ml capacity, about 10cm plus in height and about 4-5cm in width. Perfect for storing at least 10 reeds or so. It's made of BPA free plastic, the same kind that you get with Nalgene water bottles. I tested mine with water and it seals really well without leaking.
I am ready to try this method. Thanks.
No problem, hope it helps!
You are welcome
Hi Joel, I've changed back to cane reed's since the masterclass you delivered at the last Sax School Weekender I attended. I was so impressed that I thought that I'd be daft not to give it a go. The reeds are 2 weeks in and still playing perfectly and I'm averaging 2 hours a day practice. I'm really interested to see how long they will last.
Hi Andy. That’s great to hear! Glad it’s working for you. Hope you’re well. Joel.
I'll try it
Hello
After watching this video I tried soaking the reeds in vodka. The results are excellent. Only problem I am seeing is that the reed tips are getting wrinkled when kept outside for an hour, especially for low strength reeds like 2 and 1.5. May be that alcohol gets evaporated faster and tips being so thin gets stressed. Now I am trying one unit vodka + 2 unit clear water solution. Since he water content is more, I hope it wont get dried up so fast. Any experiences from others ?
I don't have a reed geek. I am using a High Speed Steel Lathe Tool bit, which serves the purpose....
Wow..after a long gig. Do you wake hungover??
Joel, you mentioned keeping the vodka soaked reeds in a sealed container. You also mentioned that you put the treated reeds in a sealed bag when going to gigs. How long will they stay moist in the bag and do you not bring the plastic vodka filled container with you to gigs?
I just put the bottle in the bag in my case. Just incase it leaks. 👍🏼
Hi Joel, thanks for this. Heard about Vodka before, but getting the reed pickled is new to me 🙂. Modified this a little bit for my use and seems working. Using HSS lathe square tool as reed geek alternative, then pickle using water and cane white vinegar solution. The vinegar is also fermented from cane so thought should be no issue with cane reeds ;-) , and can also destroy bacteria and viruses. Time will tell if this works in the long run.
Great! Does the vinegar not give the reeds a strong taste?! 🥴 Best wishes.
@@JoelPurnell not noticeable. It actually tastes fresh cane 😀. The water mix ratio is trial and error.
Sounds good! I'll try this. How often would you need to refresh the vodka?
I tend to change it every 3 months or if it starts to look a little cloudy or any sediment starts to settle. Hope you’re well.
I had a lot of success with the vodka years ago but since I don't drink alcohol I noticed I was getting a little buzz from the alcohol so I switched to brown mouthwash lightly diluted with water. This worked but I believe the dilution with water diminished the results. Thanks for sharing. I still have my containers so I'm going to get back to it. I'll keep you posted.
Yes, definitely give it another try! Just give them a little dry as I demonstrated in the video and give the tip 30 seconds for some of the surface moisture to evaporate and you shouldn’t really taste or feel anything! I’ve not touched a drop for 12 years either and I don’t notice it using this method. Best wishes.
Great to view , I had a question about adjustments- If after 48 hours in the vodka and the reed feels too stiff or unbalanced would you make any adjustments at that stage ie with reed geek or similar. At present is soak in water for 3 mins approx then almost always end up balancing etc to get best response so i am wondering when or whether i will be doing this with the vodka treatment-john
Thanks! I try to do any adjustments before soaking if possible, but if it still needs tweaking I’m sure that’s fine. 👍🏼
Great video. Do the reeds ever get kind of waterlogged by staying in the vodka for a long time? Thanks.
Hi. No, not in my experience. It evaporates off quite quickly. I’ve have reeds that have been soaked for years and they are absolutely fine. Best wishes.
Game changer….
If I alternate three different Saxes through show, would it make sense setting the mouthpiece with reed mounted, into water to keep from drying during a half / hour time frame versus the Vodka ? Otherwise wondering what the Vodka would do to the mouthpiece protector bite pad staying adhered to it. I would like to consider going back to cane reed since I'm not %100 happy with synthetic. So many factors and worse when trying to play between more than one Sax.
I wouldn’t suggest either putting them in water or putting your mouthpiece in vodka. I’d just set them all up on the mouthpieces before the 1st set begins and as long as they are all played in rotation throughout the set they should be fine.
Also, I probably would only part dry the one that I start the gig on and I’d put the other 2 on wet to help retain moisture.
However, I would definitely then put them all back in the vodka during the interval to re-pickle!
Hope you’re well.
I also play 3 saxes on my gigs (soprano, alto, and tenor). My best solution so far is using the Francois Louis mouthpiece caps that have the white felt on the inside of the cap. The felt keeps an airtight seal on the reed so the reed doesn't dry out. I haven't tried the vodka method yet. I just use water. I also have a small bottle of water ready in case I don't play one of the saxes for a long period... I just quickly insert the mouthpiece with reed attached into the bottle for a second. I will definitely try this vodka method because I would love for my reeds to last longer. I hope my Francois Louis mouthpiece cap works well with the vodka... maybe I will still need that bottle of water to quickly wet the reed if it dries out.
Wow, I never knew this feature of Louis's mouthpiece caps. I have a couple of the Ligatures but no caps which I finally looked into. Very sharp idea. Thanks for info.@@markwhite-what-da-jazz
Here is my method. I don't add any water to the felt inside the cap. The wetness of the reed is all that is needed when I use these F.L. caps, unless you use extra hard reeds and you always like as much wetness as possible. The first time I tried using this cap, I tried adding a drop of water to the felt... it actually made the reed too water-logged for me. When you put the cap on the mouthpiece, angle the cap so it doesn't brush the tip of the reed. I actually damaged a few of my reeds on the sides, but I didn't realize it until after the gigs. I had such an easier time using the F.L. caps that the reeds still played better even with that small damage than the usual dry warping reeds. Outside gigs get more difficult. I always make sure I have a bottle of water to dip my mouthpiece in if the reed gets dry on the outside gigs. I don't take the mouthpiece off... I just tip the sax so I can dunk the mouthpiece and exposed reed into the bottle of water for just a quick second.
Do the reeds ever develop mould on them? Thank you
No, not if they’re kept in the vodka. I’ve never seen mouldy vodka! I change it every 3 months or so too. Best wishes.
@JoelPurnell Thanks. That's the question I was going to ask. How often to change the solution?
Also, does the sharpie pen stand up to the alcohol? Doesn't fade away? I know it's supposed to be permanent, but alcohol is a pretty powerful solvent for some things.
Another thing, Isopropyl (rubbing alcohol) is seriously toxic (a cupful will likely kill you, and just a half a spoonful will tear your gut to pieces).
@@SamWattRock It really depends. Basically, if it starts to look a little cloudy or there’s signs of sediment starting to accumulate at the bottom it’s definitely time to swap it out!
I very briefly run each reed under the tap and put them carefully on some kitchen roll, rinse out the container, refill and get the reeds straight back in. I tend to end up doing this every 8-12 weeks on average.
Sharpie doesn’t run (obviously let it dry first before putting in vodka) and doesn’t wear off.
Yes, I highly advise against using Isopropyl alcohol!
Hope you’re well.
Thank you for this video. One question.... how often do you change out the vodka in your reed bottle? After watching this video this past Sunday, I soaked my soprano reeds in vodka for 3 days and I am astonished how well they play. Before soaking the reeds, I chose the best reeds out of a new box... I played each reed for about 30 seconds and then I let them dry out before soaking them in the vodka. I numbered them in order of strength from soft to hard to see if the soaking would change the strength of the reeds. I used my reed geek to make sure the part of the reed that sits on the table of the mouthpiece was flat (like you showed in this video). I was surprised that the reeds felt exactly the same strength as when I tried them new out of the box. They look like they are water-logged so I wasn't expecting them to play at all for me. I did wait for the first reed to dry out about five minutes before trying it. The second reed I tried, I quickly dried it off with a cloth and I immediately started playing it and I realized that I don't have to let the reed dry out first. Even though the reeds look water-logged, they dry out very quickly (the alcohol doesn't let the reeds get water-logged like you said). I will do this vodka soaking with my alto and tenor reeds also.
Great! Yes it really is a time and money saver in the long run. Glad it’s working out for you! 👍🏼
Hi Joel ... good video (especially as I like to keep a little vodka in the house - for emergencies )
= change of subject , someone has already asked about a side key lifter/riser : I would like to ask if you have installed a lift / riser / extension onto your low B flat key ? if so, your experience would be appreciated.
Hi. Yes, it’s an Oleg extender and it work a treat! Best wishes.
Thanks for this great Joel. Can I ask - after playing do you put the reed back into the vodka bottle? Cheers! Peter...
Yes, the reed lives permanently in the vodka, when not being played.
Hey joel, do you ever have to flatten the reed again after soaking it in vodka to ensure it’s sealing? And do you measure to make sure the reed is meeting the facing on your mouthpiece? I also soak my reeds in vodka but this part can cause some inconsistencies for me in the reed.
Great video!
Thanks! No, I’ve never had any issues with either. Make sure you have a container that keeps them completely submerged. 👍🏼
Is there no worries about the tip of the reed constantly touching/tapping the base of the container? would it be safer to keep the reeds in the plastic case?
Hi. No, I’ve never had a problem with that. Vodka is quite thick compared to water, so if you put them in gently there’s no issue. 👍🏼
Hi Joel, this question just came to mind.. Have you ever had your reeds warp whilst using this method of storage? Since the reeds are moving about freely in the vodka.. they never really come into constant contact with a flat surface like the conventional reed storage method using a case and thus my curiosity.
I just received my storage container today. It's one of those toddler water bottles with a 180ml capacity, with sufficient height and width to store the reeds safely and yet small enough to fit in most cases. Hard plastic, BPA free and seals pretty good thus far that I've tried it!
Appreciate your response to my question when convenient. Thanks!
Hi. No, they only ever warp if left out of the vodka whilst not being played for too long, or if the vessel isn’t sufficiently full so they end up only partially submerged. Hope that helps. Best wishes.
@@JoelPurnell thanks for the detailed reply! Can’t wait to try it out and experience the results for myself
I was told that the reds need moisture and therefore the reed need to be put in water for a few minutes before playing. May I know if the new reed after flattening need to be soaked in water before soaking in volka? If not, how can the reed has moisture? Thanks
Hi. No need for water in this method. The reeds are kept in the vodka permanently and therefore they get their moisture from soaking in the vodka. 👍🏼
@@JoelPurnell Thanks a lot
One question... how often do you replace the vodka in your reed bottle? I just started using this method and it's working great for me. I'm just wondering how often I should replace the vodka in the bottle.
Never mind. I found my answer down in the comments below. You said every 3 months or sooner if I see contaminants in the bottle. Thank you again for sharing this. I'm really loving this method so far. I've never had reeds stay so consistent like they are with this vodka method. I'm doing it with my tenor, alto, and soprano reeds. I play tested all of the reeds before I put them in the vodka and I labeled the reeds with a sharpie with numbers to keep track of the softer to harder reeds. I don't feel any change in strength after soaking them in vodka for weeks now. I realize I should have not put the harder reeds in the vodka. I should have adjusted the reeds completely before putting them in vodka because the vodka really does seal the reeds. I think I will let the harder reeds dry out and adjust them and then store them in vodka again for at least 48 hours before using them.
@@markwhite-what-da-jazzGreat! Glad it’s working for you. Yes, around 3 months before replacing the vodka is about right. Best wishes. Joel. 👍🏼
Can I maybe get some pointers for the bit Joel is playing around 15:50. I really liked that phrase, but can't figure out what he's actually doing. Thanks!
Hi. I’m playing down chromatically alternating normal and alternate fingerings, into a pentatonic shape also descending chromatically (I think!). Hope that helps. 👍🏼
Thanks so much! Let's start studying 👍
Hi, fascinating! Do you know whether this would work for oboe reeds as they have the cork and metal staple and binding thread as well as the cane. Have you heard any experiences of how they go when permanently immersed in vodka? Thanks!
Hi. Sorry, I honestly don’t know the answer to that unfortunately. If you’ve got an old one, give it a try I suppose and let us know! Best wishes. Joel. 👍🏼
Joel Does it HAVE to be vodka. Will other spirits (gin, bourbon, Jaegermeister) suffice?
Any high strength (drinkable) alcohol is fine, as long as it doesn’t have a high sugar content. Not sure Jaegermeister fits into that category though! 👍🏼
Thanks for the information Joel. I'll use the bourbon and drink the Jaegermeister. What about methylated spirits/rubbing alcohol? (concerned about the taste?)@@JoelPurnell
I’d suggest avoiding anything toxic! If you wouldn’t normally put it in your mouth don’t use it! Best wishes. Joel.
Hi there all,
I'm a saxophone newbie, can someone tell me, if you soak the reed(s) for around 48 hrs before use, when you actually come to use them, do they go back in the vodka (or your own special solution) after you've played/practiced, or is it a 'done deal' after the first vodka dosing?
Any help appreciated 👍
Hi. As I mention in the video, they need to stay in the vodka for ever (when you’re not playing them!). Hope you’re well.
@@JoelPurnell
Thanks so much Joe, yes, I thought that's what you said, just wanted to check, in case I ended up developing a mad habit!
Hope you're well also, and I appreciate the reply very much. Best wishes to all.
Hi Joel, I noticed your side key risers in the video, are they like moldable sugru or something?
They are indeed made of Sugru! Great stuff!
@@JoelPurnell I see! Very nice :) By the way, awesome video with all the detailed information. It has never crossed my mind to do something as crazy as soaking my reeds 24/7 in vodka, but I think I might give it a go with my next batch of reeds. The biggest plus factor has gotta be the cane reed getting so much more mileage than it otherwise would! Thanks again 🙏🏼
I used to do this when I was younger... I tried it again recently, but somehow all the vodka ended up in my bloodstream before I could get it in my reed jar... can't explain it.
😂🥃
Great video, and inspiring playing.
I've been trying something similar with vodka in a small airtight Tupperware and a piece of sponge at the bottom, but just a bit of vodka to keep the sponge moist. It seems to work well, though the reeds turn dark and ugly. Maybe mold? I'll try full immersion.
Do you think there would be any disadvantage to keeping the reeds in those plastic holders (while immersed in the vodka)?
Thanks! Yes, the vodka probably won’t work to well on a sponge it will evaporate quickly and the humid conditions in the sealed container could promote mould. Full submersion is what I strongly recommend.
As for the plastic reed holders, I’d also be a little careful. They may degrade in the vodka and pulling a soaked reed out of them (as they can be quite tight) could potentially damage the reed.
Hope that helps!
Cool ! I just started using vodka for my reed soak. I'm over 18 so you haven't contributed to my delinquency, by the way. Related question comes up. Warped reeds. I've noticed that if it starts squeaking and squawking a lot, sometimes I can see it's warped. But is there a way to look and determine visually if a reed is too warped to use? How much is too much? Is the slightest warp too much?
Hi. Warping occurs for main 2 reasons in this scenario, most commonly you’ve left the reed out of the vodka unplayed for too long and it’s dried out. Or it’s not fully submerged whilst in storage. Either way it should revive after 24-48 hours back in the vodka.
Playing any reed when it’s warped isn’t generally a good idea. Firstly it doesn’t play well (dull & odd sounds) and secondly it is more likely to chip or split the reed.
This is why it’s good to rotate a few reed so you can swap them out and get on with your practice! Best wishes.
Okay what if I’m a teen and I can’t buy vodka? Can I use rubbing alcohol? Does that work as the same
What stand are you using?
Due to some back issues when I was younger, it’s a bespoke stand that I created myself with the help of a great engineer called Dave Walker. Unfortunately, due to the way it connects to my specific sax and the time it took to find the perfect centre of balance, it isn’t transferable to other horns. If it was I’d be selling them!! Best wishes.
Could you use isopropyl alcohol 70% instead of vodka?
I’d have to advise against that. Isopropyl Alcohol is a potential skin irritant, probably best to keep away from your mouth and lips! 🚫 Take care.
NO. NO. NO. THAT'S POISON. You need to use 'booze' alcohol, like VODKA.
Isopropyl alcohol (AKA rubbing alcohol) is EXTREMELY POISONOUS. The reed is going in your mouth.
If there's some reason that you can't use vodka, at least use something like Listerine, with ethanol.
Make SURE the alcohol is DRINKABLE (like vodka), NOT 'rubbing alcohol' (which is extremely POISONOUS to ingest).
Yes, drinkable alcohol only!! 👍🏼
Can you use this process on old reeds to revive them or do they all have to be new reeds??
It may potentially preserve the reed in its current state. If it’s already not great then I’d imagine it won’t make it better. Worth a try though!
Joel how often does the alcohol need to be changed.
I use my sax every day so change out the alcohol around every 4 weeks to be safe, it depends on the size of container, the smaller the more often. The reeds really keep for a long time.
Hi. It really depends. Basically, if it starts to look a little cloudy or there’s signs of sediment starting to accumulate at the bottom its definitely time to swap it out!
I very briefly run each reed under the tap and put them carefully on some kitchen roll, rinse out the container, refill and get the reeds straight back in. I tend to end up doing this every 8-12 weeks on average. Best wishes.
Thanks Joel I really appreciate this great advice, John.
Your reeds sound like a drunken sailor! 😝 JK - sounds really good. Hey what do you have on your low Bb spatula? Is that an Oleg extension?
Thanks. Yes, it’s an Oleg! Well spotted! Best wishes.
great idear
Please don't make my mistake , my wife likes whisky . ( occasionally) 😂 . So, I thought yeah thats alcohol . I didn't realise it was whisky and honey. 😢 ruined three reeds.
You live and learn! 🥃
What was that minus one?
‘Minus’?
@@JoelPurnell you improvised on a track,what was that? ( minus one,like Aebersold)
@@haroldlloyd8621It was a track I made myself in BIAB. 👍🏼
@@JoelPurnell sounds really good! You are excellent player! Later edition of Band in the box has really good variations.
@@haroldlloyd8621 Thanks! It’s definitely better than a copyright strike!
Sure, vodka _does_ make better almost anything. Even that ugly woman at the table across from you.
As we say here in Russia: _There are no unattractive women at all. There is not enough vodka._
Thank you for the tip Mr McGill!
Buy a plastic reed. Life’s too short for fooling around with Reedgeeks and alcohol. Honestly…