SOLD - Kohler 1500KW 480V Detroit Diesel 149TI Generator 4 hr Full Load test 1500ROZD - Sorry, SOLD!
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- Sorry, this monster of a generator has been SOLD and isn't available anymore. But enjoy watching! SOLD - Kohler 1500KW 480V Detroit Diesel 149TI Generator 1500ROZD
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Yep old time generator man here - worked for Detroit and Cummins in Alaska- worked on and load tested hundreds of these machines - if you need a little more amps when using a load bank all you have to do is raise the voltage till u get the exact amperage you want - if you want to know exactly how much horsepower the engine will put out just raise the voltage until the frequency just starts to decrease - you can check the fuel rack to be sure it's dead racked - then you will know exactly what kind of shape ur engine is in.. you can always tell when a 149 reaches rated speed - it's just about the time your ears start to bleed... one thing you have to be aware of when testing these bigger machines is all those loose cables lying around - in the event of some kind of big fault those cables will fly around with enough force to break your legs ... I used to loosely lace together with rope... these were good old machines _ I'm nearly 70 and a few years got a request to teach the young guys how to work on the Detroit two stroke engines .. there are still lots of them alive and kicking... nice video
JT. A lot of respect to you. As a heavy equipment mechanic for 35 plus years growing up in the 2 stroke world there aren't a lot of us who could get a machine back running with a pressure guage , voltmeter and a feel for an engine. No laptop needed. Regards. Pass on your knowledge to those who do appreciate us old professionals!
This was unexpectedly wholesome
I used to do that exact thing in the army. Brings back memories.
Always fascinating for us old timers with over 50 years in the trade! It would be really nice if you were able to get pictures of instruments both steady and in sharp focus. I'm certain others of the same ilk would appreciate it too!
Had that Diesel screaming! what a workhorse!
I used to load test DOD gen sets close to this size. Most of them had load banks built in. I loved doing a load test in the winter. The load banks could roast a stake. Hell. A whole cow. They warm us up for sure.
Detroit Diesel 16V149TIB with old style valve covers at least it has the tubing shell oil cooler instead of the plate type oil coolers. The 16V149TIB will do 2340 HP @ 1800 RPM with the correct hardware. Very good engines, I miss working on them, mine were C&I frack pump engines.
The guy who did the testing said these were the industry standard. I believe him after how well it performed. Thanks.
Before we has that engines in EUCLID dumper trucks...Excellent power and quality
They were all over the mining industry in Euclids, Lectra Haul, Komatsu predecessors, etc. Then the trucks got bigger and a 16v149T wasn't big enough and the EMD 645's were too heavy. MTU and Cummins came along with bigger, Komatsu started building their own, and Cat was always Cat.
It takes 4 of these machines lined up all synced together to provide emergency power to a major grocery chain freezer warehouse and ice cream plant in texas
"Hey look body, i'm an engineer..
That means I solve problems..
Not problems like "What is beauty"
-- because that would fall within the perview of your
---- conundrums of philosophy.
I solve practical problems.
***fire a Detroit diesel generator , drink beer.. "aaarrrghhh"***
for instance
-- how am I gonna stop some power shutdown mother hover
from melting and ruining my food?
The answer...
use a Detroit diesel generator.
And if that don't work, use more generators.
Like this heavy 149TI little 'ol number,
designed by Detroit, built by Detroit.
And you best hope, it doesn't run near you."
Ibraheem Al hadede Derr.........I write comments. 😳
@@nonaimbotpro4870 That was a badly edited punch line from a game. The TF2 engineer, he was from Texas. This is the original: "Hey look body, i'm an engineer..
That means I solve problems..
Not problems like "What is beauty"
-- because that would fall within the perview of your
---- conundrums of philosophy.
I solve practical problems.
***fire guns, drink beer.. "aaarrrghhh"***
for instance
-- how am I gonna stop some big mean mother hover
from tearing me a structurally superfluous new behind?
The answer...
use a gun.
And if that don't work, use more gun.
Like this heavy caliber tripod little 'ol number,
designed by me, built by me.
And you best hope, not pointed at you."
that thing performed real good, good load test!!
Seems like a big deal but it's only 1.5MW. For a portable diesel set that's a big output but it gives an idea of the scale of large power stations that generate for the grid. In the USA, total capacity for all power generation is about 1000GW!!!! Of that fossil fuelled plant is about 800GW. I get excited when I load test big DC power supplies for spec tests with an electronic load, biggest I've tested is a 100 AMP linear at 30 VDC, thats 3KW, the workshop gets pretty warm when that babies hooked up!
Cool! How many houses is that then which can be powered with that? How many volts in total ?
I used to run an industrial power plant - I am very fluent in power number crunching so the boss had me work up a comparison fact sheet for visitors to look at so they could compare what they were seeing to something they knew about - our load was a little over 100 megawatts - I can't remember everything but this factoid sticks in my brain - our fuel was natural gas and we burned about 18
Sorry hit the wrong button - we would make about 1.2 million kilowatts per day and burn a little over 15 cubic feet of natural gas per kwh - so we were burning nearly 20 million cut of fuel gas per day - if you generated the same power with diesel fuel you would burn 8000 gallons per hour - the equivalent of a tanker load each hour - so your fuel pump would have to pump nearly 150 gallons per minute just to keep up... we generated at 13,800 volts and distributed the power at 69kv... fun job
I worked for years on big gensets...always wanted to figure a way to capture all the wasted heat from engine and exhaust...80% of fuel wasted turned into unwanted heat. Some gensets hook cooling system into building heat system. Also noise and maintenance is crazy...we replaced a few of these in NYC with fuel cells...no noise pollution or maintenance...same output off street gas...Shalom
+motorhead
We have approximately 3MW of standby fuel cell generation.
The fuel cells are fueled by conditioned natural gas from the utility indefinitely and alternatively fueled by compressed hydrogen gas that is sufficient to fuel the fuel cells for about 2 hours in the event of utility gas delivery failure.
The fuel cells are quiet, emit water as a product reaction/conversion, but they do emit a fair amount of heat.
However, the heat generated is significantly less than internal combustion engines to generate comparable quantity of electricity.
Fuel cells do require periodic maintenance, but is relatively easy, quick and with moderate expense that is significantly less expensive than the required periodic maintenance of comparable sized diesel gensets.
There is a level of fault tolerance with fuel cells that is not present with large diesel gensets, a failed 1.5MW diesel genset reduces the total generation capacity by 1.5MW, with our installation, a failed fuel cell reduces the total generated capacity by about 48KW.
When a fuel cell malfunctions it only reduces the total capacity by the capacity of the individual fuel cell without affecting the other fuel cells.
In Alaska we had it down to a science - the math is simple - the BTU's in a gallon of fuel are split up three ways - 30% is converted to shaft horsepower - 30% goes up the stack as waste heat -30% goes out the radiator as more waste heat and 10% is rejected as radiated heat. We used what they call stack robbers to strip the heat out of the exhaust heat - we also used heat exchangers to capture the heat from the cooling system - in the end the fuel efficiency went from about 30% up to nearly 90% - you had to be a rocket scientist to keep the systems on 5 generators from fighting each other ... I got quite at tuning heat capture systems...
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@@jth1699 Yep....What you're doing is called "Combined Heat and power". It's the ultimate efficiency you can get from internal combustion engines. Using the engine as a "floor boiler", when you consider that most boilers are~80% efficient, you can (almost) consider it free electricity!
I getta kick out of hearing one of these actually run under load. I only get to transport them and never actually get to hear them operate. Now they install these in 40-foot used shipping containers fully self contained and I'll either drop the whole unit with chassis and all in place for temporary use, or meet a crane on-site to offset the box for long term use or permanent installation with access from ground level.
This is one of those 100 gallon per hour gensets. It has to love its fuel.
i like it when he flicked a switch the turbo's spouled up that much more, whats the turbo cool down time like 2 hours? xD
The most important thing to cool down is the pistons - they have oil nozzles spraying oil onto the bottom of the piston - if for some reason you were running one of these machines really hard and it suddenly died you had better start it immediately or wait about 20 minutes ! The loss of cooling oil on the pistons would allow them to expand and stick in the cylinder- you really dont want to start one of these machines and go back to 1800 rpm with a rod with no piston on it.... it causes rapid unscheduled disassembly of the rest of the engine...
Ya when he hit those switches the turbos lite eight up..wonder what stock boost under full load is in these.
@@jth1699 don't remember seeing that phrase in any manual- "rapid unscheduled disassembly" i like that phrase!!
@@rearspeaker6364 lol - I used to use that phrase all the time when writing reports when I used to work for the Detroit distributor in Alaska. If you want to see how many ways a human can fail an engine just do a year in Dutch Harbor Alaska. Fishermen are brutal on equipment ... I got 15 years of experience in a little over a year in Dutch.
@@jth1699 WOW!!! sounds like a lot of "retraining"people to operate and maintain Detroits properly.
149 cubes per cylinder, that’ll do it 👍
Used them in frac trucks in Alberta
Awesome video!
Hugh fan of Detroits. Great video!!!!! Thanks for sharing! How much did it sell for?
Only 96 hours...as long as it hasn't been neglected it should pass with flying colours.
+douro20
Abuse during times of operation are usually more of an issue than neglect on low runtime units, particularly with leased or rental units.
electrical overloads, generator winding overheating, circulating currents, severely unbalanced loads, engine overheating, extended periods of no load operation or low (less than 50% capacity) loading and krappy fuel quality usually tops my list of genset abuse.
The biggest problem with these standby units is that they have block heaters to keep the oil and coolant warm and ready for a start and go to full load within 10 seconds - the act of keeping everything hot operates to cook all the rubber orings in the engine - so in a couple of years odds are very good that the orings that seal the injectors will be cooked along with the oil cooler orings etc - so even though the machine has only 96 hours all the rubber on the machine has 9000 hours per year of age of the machine.. I have seen these machines not even be able to carry 1/2 load because the orings in the fuel system had failed etc etc...
Some body finey sold that Generator. Good for them.
The 149 was used in loco's so they had to be good
What diesel loco was it used in?
No they weren’t you idiot.
Never saw a 149 in a locomotive- but its bigger cousin the EMD is in lots of locomotives- the EMD started as the Grey Marine back in around 1900 - the Grey Marine engine company got bought by Contiantinal Engine company and General Motors wind up with it either during WW2 or shortly after - it started with the 6-71 for military machines - so there were also developed several different models - the 71 series was a dry liner engine while the 92 and 149 series were wet liner engines. The emd engines started with the 567 series as far as I know - 567 cubic inches per cylinder - then came the 645 series with models all the way up to 20 cylinders... i have been out of the business for years but before i got out EMD was up to 710 cubic inches per cylinder with up to 20 cylinders. The 645 was the most popular engine in locomotives but the could only make the engine live in the 16 cylinder version - seems the 20 cylinder would twist too much on the locomotives and cause the clearances in the main bearings to disappear and ruin the main bearings- but with turbos the got the 16 cylinder up to around 3000 hp. The EMD with its 2 cycle performance ran circles around its competitors- the only competition was General Electric locomotives - they had a slow responding 4 cycle engine - as a trainman for 20 years we always would say it would take 2 EMD's to drag around a GE engine if we had a GE in the engine consist. The 20 cylinder EMD is very popular in power generation and other stationary applications...
@@jth1699 the history part of this is BS. The Detroit 6-71 was first produced in 1938 GM for OTR applications. It was shortly thereafter adapted by Graymarine for boat usage, and it did great in the war, but GM did not buy the design from Graymarine.
How many KW is the fan? Is that static or viscous?
Electric
I'm thinking it was 30 hp electric generally depending on who packaged the machine
Lol. Yeah I’ll just hook it the olé pickup truck and take it where I need it, then just plug it in and go. Sure do wish it was that easy.
Love it. All that power would have let the Prius a-holes drive for 32 years or so--and they get none of it!!!
how much fuel did it use for the duration of 4 hours at full 1500kw ? thanks
110 gal/hr. Over 400
rondotrailer so to power 1500kw for 24 hours 2400 +++ gallons of diesel ??? What if it were only using say 250 kw how much would that use thanks much appreciated
Probably use like 1500-2000 gallons. This unit was used as a backup genset for the Apple plant in CA in early 90's
That fuel burn is pretty impressive... We rented a tub grinder once with an I-6 Mercedes about half that size... that thing burnt 55gal/hr. and half the time it was running with no load.
One of the weak points of Detroits / GM Diesels is that the two cycle engines burned a lot more fuel than four cycle at low loads. They run best at steady full load as long as you keep them cool and maintain oil level.
He said it 4 turbos. True PLUS 2 Superchargers.
These 2 cycles have high fuel use and a shorter life due to its 2 cycle combustion.
they actually use less fuel in genset applications because they run quite naturally at 1800RPM, great for 3 phase 60hz.
they have worse fuel economy in OTR applications. Fully loaded 8v92, you'll be lucky to see 4.5 mpg.
Since its a 2 stroke are you running low ash oil? Or TCW3 from the bottom? the 16v149 generators on a diesel electric boat i worked on burned a streght weight SEA 40W oil of 2 to 3 gallons per day.
The guy who tested it said he worked for Detroit on these engines when they made these. 30 or 40 straight weight oils were recommended.
Richard Vaughn actually the way the setup is on this style has a bypass valve in the blower, blowers get it started after a door opens to let them spin with no load on them and the turbos take over, the tier 1 with a tier 2 kit on it works like a compound setup feeding the blower ✌🏻✌🏻
Two stroke diesels need some kind of supercharger or turbocharger full time to push fresh air in to make the engine run.
Even the turboed units need either a supercharger or a mechanical drive on the turbo with an overrunning clutch to even start.
@@tripplefives1402.... No, you Do Not.. "use the same oils as other 4 stroke diesels"! They require a Low Ash (CF-2) spec. straight 40 wgt. oil when ambient temps are above 0 degrees F.... Below 0 degrees F, would require a CF-2 spec 30 wgt to maintain startability. However, 30 wgt. must Never be used in Marine Application Detroits (2 cycle)... nor in Series 149 engines under ANY circumstances. The correct oil should have a sulfated ash content of Less than 1% and used with fuel with less than 0.5% sulfur... beginning in 1994.
That thing is full tilt boogie
This thing is louder than uno what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What am I missing? 1800 A @ 460 v is less than 830 KW
it outputs three phase power so i think they meant 1800 A per phase that connected to a resistive load (cosFi = 1) equals about 1500 kW of power
@@scarrypolpetta9006 Wouldn't that be maybe split phase? I'm calculating 2 legs of approximately 1800 A.
I actually don't know much about three phase power but i usually calculate power with P = √3 x cosFi x Current x Voltage
Thus with 460 V and 1800 A you get about 1500 kW
@@scarrypolpetta9006 Nor do I. I suppose you are right about the three phase, now that I think about it. Being out of phase allows for more amperage on the legs as they are pulling current in different phases. I tend to think in VDC, not VAC.
A big commercial. Great.
why do we need such a powerful diesel engine........ can you mention the power output of the same?????
And please mention the specifications of that engine.....
Harshith SV Looks like it is a 16V149. That's the Detroit Diesel series 149, with 16 cylinders. They did make 20 cylinder engines too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Diesel_Series_149
The engine might be more powerful than it needs to be, so it will get less stress since it never runs at full power. You don't want your backup generator to fail! Then you must have a backup generator for the backup generator! LOL!
I think they can do something like 2000HP, or thereabouts. Also, being a two-stroke engine, it has a high power to weight ratio, since each cylinder fires twice as often as in a 4 stroke engine. This thing makes like 100kW per cylinder! (maybe more or less, I'm not an expert on these)
I have worked on generators for over 26 years. It is easier and cheaper to build 1.5 megawatt units like this than parallel say 3 -500 KW units or 15 -100 kw units or any other combo a 1 meg with a 500 kw.
Thats one of the old 2 strokers. Either 71 or 92 cubic inches per cylinder. I didn't get a close enough look to tell for sure but I think it was the 92 ci. that was a new design that was good but didn't stay long because they couldn't pass emissions tests. Detroit had to go to 4 strokers to stay in business.
@@donmelton1512 they said 149 series, 16V149, BIG sucker
@@donmelton1512........... it's Neither!! It's a series 149 (16 cyl.), which has more in design compatibility with the EMD div. engines, than the smaller series Detroits.
nice generator
Probably 200gal/hr. Maybe a little more- little less. Waaaaayyy too much. Just perfect 👌
Actually 430 gal/hr at full load!
How about fuel diesel engieneer/ 1 hour
Thanks!
400 gal/hour!
@@rondotrailer Thank's!
What about the emissions? I heard you guys cant run these no more without passing emissions tests. Hear in the UK new emissions rules are coming into play, and there Going to be heavy taxes and generators like these
Most of these run pretty clean if maintained well
What is that used for, Military, Civilian hospital???
This one powered an Apple factory in California for the first part of it's life.
Cool generater. How many gallons of fuel does it use per hour? What hp is it ?
2360 hp 450 gal/hour as I remember.
@@rondotrailer wow some power and fuel. She's a thirsty beast!
@@rondotrailer.... You need to get your story straight, first you said that it uses about 400 gals per hour, then you told another guy that it was 400 gals +/- for the 4 hour run / total... and now you're telling this guy it was 450 gals per hour!! The truth is... that they burn (depending on which injectors are used) "approximately" .380 lbs of fuel at 1,800 rpm per (each) "Rated" (constant speed & load) Brake Horsepower which should equate to "approximately" 72 - 90 gallons per hour depending on exact load and hp ratings. The .380 lbs per BHP is based on the 16V149Ti with 150cc injectors and the 1325hp rating with std. timing.
Wouldn't it be possible to put that power onto the grid during the 4-hour load-test? I know it's much easier said than done but it just seems like an awful waste of power...
Pat Douglas Barron That is a great idea, never thought of that. I don't know how it would have loaded it though. Thanks.
rondotrailer Thanks for the reply Rondotrailer. Maybe one day - as the power grid is modernised and becomes more advanced - it would be possible to store the power by charging mega-capacitors while doing load-test? I'm no expert so excuse me if these comments demonstrate my ignorance, hehehe. Anyway - thanks for the great video-clip. I enjoyed watching and learning!
Pat Douglas Barron That _is_ a really good idea. Unfortunately, and you sort of alluded to this, our current power infrastructure isn't set up to accept energy coming in nearly as easily as it is to dispense energy. I would imagine that running cables to a substation, where the power could be fed into a grid, isn't even close to being practical (since it would require quite a bit of rewiring), and I don't think there's a capacitor on Earth that's large enough to store the amount of energy that would be generated by this genset at full load for 4 hours.
Like I said, it's definitely a great idea, and it is certainly the _logical_ thing to do (why waste all that power in load banks?!), sadly it's just not practical yet. I'm thinking that someday, probably when our conventional energy supplies are drying up, it will become more common for consumers both large and small to have a way to feed (and be credited for) energy they send back into the grid.
Someday!
Pat Douglas Barron That could be done, BUT, the alternator's output needs to be synchronized with the grid's frequency and phasing. It also would have to have some sort of control to shut it down if the grid goes down, because this would very likely get overloaded, or else it could backfeed and pose a hazard to anyone working on the power lines, when they "think" the power is turned off.
Benjamin Esposti Thanks for the feedback and the answers to my questions Benjamin, and Tom McKenna. From what you guys are explaining, it's actually not really worth the effort to make it safely and efficiently able to feed power into the grid during these load-tests. A lot more needs to be considered than I imagined. But anyway -thanks for answering my questions. I appreciate the time you took to answer me! From Pat
Kohler BIG VERY BIG DIESEL GENERATOR FIRST START UP IN 10 Years 16 CYLS
Shaking like a dog shittin razor blades
I don't understand the use of the clip on meter to measure all three phases plus neutral at the same time. I guess they are using resistive balanced loads to dump the power, so the three line currents would be equal to each other, and the current in the (reduced cross section) neutral would be zero. The sum of the magnetic fields of the three line cables and the neutral cable should be zero, so the meter should read zero. If I was using the meter, for each load I would be measuring ONE of the phase currents, and assuming the other two are equal to it to calculate the power as root 3 times 480 times current. I just did a quick Google search which confirms this, and the IET website revealed that if you do get a meter reading it is measuring the earth leakage current, which makes sense. And by the way, why not sell 6000kWh to the grid instead of wasting it.
He has 4 wires in parallell for each phase. Selling to the grid would require a massive feed with high monthly fees not worth it.
lol there is no hookup to neutral it's a resistive load bank everything's getting burnt off you don't need to hook up the neutral to run a load bank and also he uses the meter to get actual readings
what are they plugging the generator into ???
Load bank.
Giant toasters.
@@AUSSIETRAINDRIVER ty
@@Thevacomaticvacuumcorner pretty much an extremely big space heater, except it outputs 600+ degree air
How much for fuel and operators- to run at full capacity for an hour? Love this stuff, my grandfather did the Vernon Power Plant many moons ago 1933 e.g. ua-cam.com/video/OlOm2OMWsh8/v-deo.html.
Nice video, too bad it is so jerkey. Next time use a tripod.
Well, YT offers a post-production 'smoothing' option as well.
How much did you pay to view this? At the risk of sounding snarky, if you don't like it, don't watch it.
Such unstable video. Get a tripod.