Man, they were really hammering in how the _Spells_ are what makes a wizard what they are. I really thought we were going to get more examples of spells, or at very least spell rules, because there really wasn't much change to the base wizard class to talk about. Especially when he talked about the Abjurer, that would have been a perfect time to discuss any potential changes to counterspell, or given their Spell Breaker feature, about how Bonus Action spells will be treated in the rules now.
They probably didn't talk about Counterspell because it's (probably) nerfed. If they are, in fact, letting you cast two leveled spells in a turn, this definitely would have been the time to break that out. Perhaps you can't cast the bonus action Dispel Magic if you've cast a leveled spell this turn?
Chris, just wanted to say, the care and dedication you put into your work is amazing. Thanks so much for sharing the results of your insight check with us. It’s truly like having a wizard in the party... a very monkish Wizard.
Illusory Reality has always sounded really fun but its a level 14 feature so I can't expect to play with it for most campaigns, which sucks because it basically turns your Wizard into a Green Lantern or Wile E. Coyote depending on how you play.
Thank you for putting the article on the Savant feature on the screen and underlining it. Jeremy misspeaking here made me really nervous for how it was working.
I know and understand I the reasons for their establishment of their "rule of 4" subclasses, but I can only hope that the remaining 4 subclasses Conjuration, Enchantment, Necromancy, and Transmutation get some updates - the last two in particular.
Some calculation for 3 different "tank" subclasses of casters: At level 3: Abjurer wizard: 9 extra hp/long rest or 29 if you waste all resources on abjuration spells. No other defensive features. Moon druid: 36 extra hp/long rest. No ability to add more, also gives AC bonus. Fiend warlock: 6-144 extra hp/long rest. (depending on encounters) At level 6: Abjurer wizard: 16 extra hp/long rest or 60 if you waste all resources on abjuration spells. No other defensive features. Moon druid: 90 extra hp/long rest. Or 270 if you burn slots, also gives AC bonus. Fiend warlock: 10-240 extra hp/long rest. Give bonus to saves. At level 10: Abjurer wizard: 25 extra hp/long rest or 107 if you waste all resources on abjuration spells. No other defensive features. Moon druid: 180 extra hp/long rest. Or 630 if you burn slots, also gives AC bonus. Fiend warlock: 15-360 extra hp/long rest. Give bonus to saves. And give damage resistance of your choice. I also can add twilight domain cleric and clockwork sorcerers stats here, when they reveal cleric and sorcerer next week, but we all know how they will look like.
Forgetting to calculate the effects of the abjuration spells they would cast to heal the ward. They would have resistance and use shield to stop incoming damage in the first place
The real question, of course, is will the 2024 PHB have spells of every spell school of every level? Obviously it's more important they have them for abjuration, divination, evocation, and illusion, but presumably future wizard subclass redos will give similar features for other schools.
I feel like the new phb will have all the spells and the other book with a bunch of subclasses and the artificer will just reference the phb it would be a massive fumble on wizards part to split the spells based on the subclasses that get them
I really appreciate these videos, Chris! I hope you are having fun with it! I know a lot of my friends really appreciate your content. And every time I see discourse online somebody is referencing these videos. It really is a huge asset 🤝
I really wished Wizard had taken a page from the Land Druids' eight lands & gave Wizards a "Specialist" subclass to encompass all eight schools, with the generalist Savant, then a specialist branch at 10th & 14th level. That way they can divert resources to making unique Wizard subclasses like Scribes & War.
Hopefully they have added a ton of divination spells in this PHB, there aren’t enough to fill in those extra choices diviners will get from the savant feature
Chris thank you for cranking these videos out. I have no idea what the video production process is like, but to go from your usual schedule to making a video every day has to be a lot. And you have done so without compromising on the quality analysis you are known for. Just wanted to show some appreciation for all the work you have been putting in!
Memorize Spell needed nerfing. The 1 minute requirement trivialized spell prep choices - just load up on combat spells and take a minute break if you need a utility spell. A short rest feels more reasonable.
@@madmartigan9190 if you watched the video itself, JC literally says that they can change the prepared spell at the end of a short rest. It's not just limited to once per short rest, you have to take a short rest to do it
That’s disappointing that the subclasses didn’t get adjusted as much as the illusionist did. I understand that the wizard class is strong but wizards get so few subclass features it’s nice when they start to identify with the character more
Yours is definitely my favorite reaction to these videos. Your having taken notes on the actual PHB has of course been a fantastic help to make these videos what they are. I still have to question all these 1/long rest abilities they keep handing out to classes and subclasses. My character sheet is going to be twice as long with things I can barely even use. Definitely isn't going to speed up the table.
Thanks for getting these up so quickly! I've gotten to the point where I don't even watch the initial stream. I just wait patiently for your upload lol
Minor Illusion as a bonus action sounds nuts. You can basically put each round a barrel over yourself to block line of sight. That can make quite some spells and tactics null and void.
I'm currently playing an illusionist in a campaign (2014 version). I just got to level 5, and we've had plenty of weeks where people work, so we may be there for a while (we've also got a planned break to do a one shot after our current quest). If the new handbook is out before I hit level 6, I'm going to show the changes to my DM and hope he lets me swap the lv 6 feature (if not use the whole subclass change). I'll also show him the glossary for illusions, since it feels like the few times I cast them, they barely accomplish anything. That may be partially because we've yet to encounter guards/etc. to give good opportunities for illusions to solve the problem, but I also think the DM just has some trouble buying into them in general. All our battles have been in large open rooms with little to no obstructions, so I can't even use the environment to my advantage with illusions. And the fighting illusions will be a big help for me in battle. One of the other players clearly wants me to take fireball, but I told him I'll need to set up an in world reason first, since it doesn't fit my vibe. I was recently contemplating asking the DM if I could re-skin it as psychic damage to have is be illusory, but I assume that's going to require hefty nerfs for balance, since that damage type is stronger than just swapping fire for cold or lightning. But depending on the new modify feature, I might be able to apply that to various spells to keep my vibe (assuming the DM let's me incorporate all of that into the 2014 version).
So minor illusion to make a cloud of opaque smoke around the target, and then a ranged attack cantrip with advantage since the target can no longer see you and you can see through your own illusions. Seems like a nice low-level buff.
Hey Chris, thanks for doing these. I'm hoping for a change summary at the end. I've been looking for a consolidated list of changes. I haven't found one yet. Such a video might garner some views.
I'm not sure when they're going to stop revealing things, maybe not before I CAN reveal things, stay tuned and I'll make sure you know everything you need to know before deciding if you wish to purchase this book
@TreantmonksTemple the inclusion of an Illusion guide in the glossary alone is enough for me to already purchase this new phb! Plus bonus action Minor Illusion w00t!!!
Once the players handbook is released, will you be tier ranking the subclasses again? I’d love to see how they match up with all of the changes to the subclasses and their base classes.
So I'm a tad concerned about the limit of changing one spell per rest to the wizard, mostly in that it looks like both the clerics and sorcerers (and maybe others) will all have more memorized spells based on subclass than the wizard(unless the number of memed spells in the wizard chart is higher). I've been in too many games where the wizard either does not have access or does not have gold to actually learn many more spells than other casters, as well as games where you just don't ever have a good enough idea of what you'll be dealing with to actually tailor your spell list beyond the greatest hits, it's part of why I loved the element changing subclass feature for scribes so much, I only had to actually memorize a couple of damage spells and could just swap out types based on what I was dealing with.
Expert divination was really hamstrung by the lack of divination spell options, so I hope they filled out the divination spell list a bit more. I'm quite hopeful because I've been pleasantly surprised by how many times feedback I gave during the playtest was addressed in later playtests and the final product. My feedback for illusionist was about how the 1st and 6th level features didn't have any mechanical weight because their effects are all up to the DM's idea of how illusion spells work, and I'm excited to see that now we have both clear mechanical benefits at those levels as well as guidance on illusion spells themselves.
Chris thank you. I like to watch your videos they are pretty concise and able to be understood. I have only ever found 1 item that you had wrong in all your videos. That aside. Thank you Again. You spoke of books you like to read. Have you read Raymond E. Feist, he has a series of books that are awesome. He has now named it "The Series" it's starts with the rift war saga. Great series to read. Again thank you
All these major revisions to subclasses like Illusionist, Fae, Beserker, GOO, etc. makes me hopeful Draconic Sorcerer will get the proper rework it deserves rather than some minor quality of life changes that does not really help it compete with the other sorcerer subclasses. But it being a sorcerer subclasses also makes me think that is not the case since WotC seems to have something major against the class.
Shadow Conjuration goes back to 1e. There was also Shadow Magic that let you cast a fireball that did a fraction of the damage if the target recognized it was an illusion. (Of course the 1e illusionist took such a back seat to the magic-user that they had a 7th level spell called “first level magic-user spells.”
Which in turn manifested in 3/3.5 as (Greater) Shadow Evocation. I miss these spells somewhat, although spellcasting is already less restrictive now that you don't need to prepare each slot, so its utility is diminished from that era.
I love wizards as well for thematics I really was interested to see your take I’ll be playing an illusionist it’s just too fun I wish we had all the others though I feel transmuted could’ve used an awesome facelift as well
I wonder how much the reclassification of spells to Abjuration is a buff to Clockwork Magic, which can get it's replacements from that school. How much do you think so, if you are comfortable sharing, Chris?
Was late today! Took the kids and wife to the Zoo. Knew I’d be alright though because, I don’t need the stream. Chris breaks everything down perfectly!! Thank you for the wizard review!!!
Is there some sorta misty illusionist/fighter idea here? Blink in, hold everyone at bay for a bit, then blink out as soon as they are threatened. Just kinda seems cool.
I just hope they have clarified a bit how illusions work, what they can and can't do and a default for how to see through them/what happens with physical interaction etc Edit: sounds like they have done this :)
44:15 oooh rules on teleportation, do they finally point out if you can stand from prone when teleporting or if you keep momentum when teleporting during a fall?
Wish list: * Scholar includes the Order of Scribe magic quill. * Modify Spell is kept, let it work when you Memorize Spell, or by spending a minute to modify a spell you have prepared if its lvl 6 or lower. * Create Spell is kept from the earlier playtest, but emphasize it has to be a Wizard spell you've used Modify Spell on, and that it increases the new spell level by 2 by default, but the DM is free to add or remove additional costs, also to veto the spell, allow creation of entirely new spells if allowed, AND decide if the Modifications actually require the spell level to be changed, or if it should be less or more then then a flat +2. Baseline its just "Hey, make Modify Spell permanent with a new spell, but at +2 spell level. But if your DM is up to it, you could create brand new spells, or other modifiers!" At a steep gold price of course.
Secondary wish list: * Bladesinger, improved with limited Weapon Mastery access. * Enchanter, improved to actually use Modify Memory, the spell in some way on that 14th lvl feature. * Necromancer, Undead Thralls also affecting Danse Macabre like it does Animate Dead, and Inured to Undeath specifying that your max HP can't be reduced by anything EXCEPT your own spells. To close some 'fun' spell loops. * Theurgist? I dunno, think it'd be fun to add, maybe to conflict with a Nethermancer/Diabolist/Demonologist Wizard? Just different from the original UA! * Transmuter, oh gods, this needs so much... let it be better at using Alchemist Tools, like a sedo-Artificer, and make its 10th level Shapechanger be clarified to keep your Int, Wis, and Cha scores while polymorphed. I've admittedly done a LOT of homebrew on these subjects. >_> Started when I tried to combine all the playtests, then fill out what they were missing while trying to keep the same style of change.
Did they say anything about the Conjurer ... especially after giving the Illusionist a huge boost with a free summon. I love most of the revision, but this new Illusionist feature probably lacked some baking time, though that subclass is definately more fun now !
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely happy about the subclasses we're getting here. I love just about every change they've mentioned. It does kind of stink that we're losing 4 subclasses, though. Not too bummed about Transmutation, but Conjuration, Enchantment, and especially Necromancy will be missed (without circle of spores, either). Might just have to do some homebrewing after I get my PHB... or just use the old versions with the new savant feature. We'll have to see what the "backwards compatibility" rules look like.
My excuse for playing an illusionist now is that I really like druids, and illusionist is kind of like a druid, if I say so. I can make my imaginary pet friends and I also get a spell available just for druids ( don't tell me that rangers get it too ).
I really hope the illusion glossary and stuff comes with more dm guidance. I literally can't expect illusion spells to do anything at all with my current dm. If they see it appear, they auto pass, if they see you casting, auto pass, if they encounter it without either of the prior, they will stop and spend multiple turns making checks until they pass. If it is moving but doesn't make sound they auto pass, if it is audio but they don't see it auto pass. If it is cast behind them from being hidden, auto pass because they have 360 degree vision or head it being cast. Casting hallucinatory terrain 8 hours ride away from the enemy chasing you? Too bad the terrain is completely flat and they can see you casting it however many miles away. Oh, and minor illusion with illusion savant can only be edited every turn, so it can't replicate a creature even if that creature is small or under 5 ft because it moves and makes sounds in stop-motion. Not super mad on that ruling as it does say object and not creature, but major illusion being the only option that sometimes even buys time in any combat or pre combat situation sucks and makes the subclass useless until level 6.
@@TreantmonksTemple That's a valid point, it does still feel weird to me, like they're fighting the system even as they're making the system, but I know it isn't actually a big deal, I'm just being picky
A really fast homebrew fix if you wanna keep the theme and fantasy of it more intact is that they always have the illusion trait or at the very least describe them as illusions. With a full casting having more HP due to more casting power being put into it.
I could see warlocks taking an evoker dip for their eldritch blast, because garanteed hitting is nice if you can add a bunch of effects as well. Eldritch knights be like hhmm let me go take a 4 lvl detour for some funsy's, let alone if they get their hands on illusionist bracers.
I really like the new version of the savant spells, for especially loaded spell levels like 3rd and 4th it means that you won't be a divination wizard who feels out of luck because what wizard in their right mind would take clairvoyance or tongues at level 5 when fireball, counterspell, dispel magic, hypnotic pattern, fear, and fly all become available at the same time. One question I have about the evoker is if potent cantrip would apply to booming blade, green flame blade, and (assuming it's the same as or similar to the playtest) true strike? because if it does a 3 level dip into evoker for an eldritch knight seems like it would be a very worthwhile endeavor, the cantrips which will be doing way more damage than they would with a wizard because you'll be using magic weapons and which will be used commonly even through much higher levels feels like a much better version of the graze mastery because you'll just be getting way more damage out of it
For the illusionary Self option in the UA, there seems to be the implication that it should be on par with 2nd level spell, but the feature seems like it might usually be worse than the 2014 version of 1st level shield spell which could save you from multiple attacks... pity that so far they have not talked about general spell changes, to let us know whether the 1st level Shield spell will typically be better than this "pseudo 2nd level spell" Illusionist feature...
I think the move to bonus action with a lot of abilities wont make combat that much faster, but removes any slow starts in combat as you don't have to waste the first turn casting an important buff.
Great video, but I’m disappointed they didn’t do more with the wizard. With all the goodies other casting classes are getting I feel like my beloved wizards are going from being the best caster class to one of the weakest.
14:05 Here's the question, though... Are the spells listed by school anywhere? Because currently, all spells are listed in the class spell lists alphabetically with no further information. So if your wizard Abjurer turns level 7, and gets to add a new level 4 Abjuration spell, you have to read each and every 4th level wizard spell to find out which ones are abjuration school.
Hey, since we both love wizards so much, can you recommend movies tv or cartoons that portray them properly? Ive always loved the portrayal in Dragon Slayer.
Thanks for doing these! I love watching them with your feedback, especially since you have an early release copy. Much more fun to watch than the original
Does anyone know if the 3rd level boom spells, like fireball and lightning bolt, can now increase proportionally power wise, as your character levels up. In old videos Chris always advised dropping spells like fireball once you reached around level 7?
You like big brain spell guy? Read Awaken Online, specifically the Ember trilogy of the series. It's about a big brained guy navigating a virtual magical world. The series in general is made of people innovating this magical world but Finn is my fav so far.
I know you can't go into details and probably haven't crunched numbers yet, but based on your initial impressions do you feel steps have been taken to address the martial / caster divide.
@@TreantmonksTemple hey. That's something. Hopefully they address more of the problematic spells than the play test showed, but even if it was just what we saw I'd say it's a big step
the title of this video has me very excited, illusionist is my favourite! I hope it gets more creative and fun uses outside of combat Edit: Did they seriously remove Malleable illusions???????????? Im devastated, that was probably the coolest feature in the entire game and now its gone. I dont even see a reason to play illusionist anymore...
In the write up on DndBeyond, it says "If you don’t see a feature covered, such as Signature Spells, that means it is unchanged from the 2014 Wizard, or only saw very minor changes." If a feature was removed or replaced, they would have addressed it. Since malleable illusions wasn't mentioned, that means the feature is still there and Phantasmal Creatures was just an additional feature at level 6
There definitely will be more books in the future as that's the business they're in. 👍 We'll have to use the "backwards compatibility" up to that point.
I can't help but wonder what will become of the other 4 spell school subclasses since they aren't in here. All of these changes are very nice for these 4 subclasses, but what about the rest?
@@zTom_ Yeah, I guess so. I'm wondering what kind of book they'll put them in? Maybe it'll be in the "Advanced Player's Guide" along with the rest of the cleric domains.
Question i dont know of you can answer, when you get your subclass, do you get 4 spells? And then 3 spells every subsequent level? 2 from level up normally and 2 then 1 from the school of subclass?
I still wish the base wizard got something more than change one spell and a skill expertise. Gaining nothing between level 7 to 18 is kinda disappointing. We dont need a boost, wizard is already very strong. Just some fun class features. The illusionist looks really good this time around. I definitely like the savant features a lot more now. I think out of every subclass, I'm the most meh about the evoker. Chris how do you feel about the illusionist? Do you think in the future, they'll bring back the necromancer?
@nikcantsnipe Pssssh! Your whole society is built upon nepotism, imperialism and taking things that don't belong to you. USA, baby! #1 You're just mad WOTC is better at it than you.
I find it odd that u get counterspell and dispell magic prepared at 10th level does this mean if i have took these spells at 5th level once i hit 10th level i am 2 spells less than someone who didnt take these spells until this feature?
I'd say it just frees up 2 spells spaces from your preparations so you can choose to have 2 different ones from your book instead. In essence, like what happens with any ritual spells. :)
I don't play Wizards so I guess I never realized how ridiculous this is but whose idea was it to give the evoker a cantrip ability at level six and the big Blaster ability at level 2!! Just begging for multi class dips. What spells do you even have to sculpt at level 2. All this to say I'm glad they've put their abilities in the order in which they are useful
Jeremy Crawford: I had a sandwich for lunch today.
Todd Kenreck: Perfect.
“Perfect”
“Oh great”
“Yeah”
“Wow”
that makes it fun, it's like he's a deranged yes man
@@williamhargreaves7046 Crawford might as well be talking to a mop.
Okay, I'm not alone in thinking that Jeremy really needs to be the only person there.
honestly, I think he's prerecorded and just editted in.
I don't even watch the stream, I just wait for Chris.
Ditto, I saw the D&D stream and though .... Eh I'll wait.
Same
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For real lol
Same! 😂
Man, they were really hammering in how the _Spells_ are what makes a wizard what they are.
I really thought we were going to get more examples of spells, or at very least spell rules, because there really wasn't much change to the base wizard class to talk about.
Especially when he talked about the Abjurer, that would have been a perfect time to discuss any potential changes to counterspell, or given their Spell Breaker feature, about how Bonus Action spells will be treated in the rules now.
They probably didn't talk about Counterspell because it's (probably) nerfed. If they are, in fact, letting you cast two leveled spells in a turn, this definitely would have been the time to break that out. Perhaps you can't cast the bonus action Dispel Magic if you've cast a leveled spell this turn?
Chris, just wanted to say, the care and dedication you put into your work is amazing. Thanks so much for sharing the results of your insight check with us. It’s truly like having a wizard in the party... a very monkish Wizard.
Even with the 2024 Wizard updates being pretty lean, the turnaround time on this video is impressive. You got this one out fast!
I LOVE WIZARDDDD RAHHHHHHHHHHH 🧙♂️🧙♂️🧙♀️🧙♀️
Illusory Reality has always sounded really fun but its a level 14 feature so I can't expect to play with it for most campaigns, which sucks because it basically turns your Wizard into a Green Lantern or Wile E. Coyote depending on how you play.
Yessss, been waiting for this one to drop so I can watch during my lunch break.
I'm about to go to work! But I have 14min left now and 20 in the break, so enjoy hahahahahahahaha
Eating dinner right now watching this :D
The Arcane Ward changes are really cool
Thank you for putting the article on the Savant feature on the screen and underlining it. Jeremy misspeaking here made me really nervous for how it was working.
I know and understand I the reasons for their establishment of their "rule of 4" subclasses, but I can only hope that the remaining 4 subclasses Conjuration, Enchantment, Necromancy, and Transmutation get some updates - the last two in particular.
Given the treatment the illusionist got. I doubt we have to worry!
Some calculation for 3 different "tank" subclasses of casters:
At level 3:
Abjurer wizard: 9 extra hp/long rest or 29 if you waste all resources on abjuration spells. No other defensive features.
Moon druid: 36 extra hp/long rest. No ability to add more, also gives AC bonus.
Fiend warlock: 6-144 extra hp/long rest. (depending on encounters)
At level 6:
Abjurer wizard: 16 extra hp/long rest or 60 if you waste all resources on abjuration spells. No other defensive features.
Moon druid: 90 extra hp/long rest. Or 270 if you burn slots, also gives AC bonus.
Fiend warlock: 10-240 extra hp/long rest. Give bonus to saves.
At level 10:
Abjurer wizard: 25 extra hp/long rest or 107 if you waste all resources on abjuration spells. No other defensive features.
Moon druid: 180 extra hp/long rest. Or 630 if you burn slots, also gives AC bonus.
Fiend warlock: 15-360 extra hp/long rest. Give bonus to saves. And give damage resistance of your choice.
I also can add twilight domain cleric and clockwork sorcerers stats here, when they reveal cleric and sorcerer next week, but we all know how they will look like.
Going to be some awesome multiclass combos available there
Forgetting to calculate the effects of the abjuration spells they would cast to heal the ward. They would have resistance and use shield to stop incoming damage in the first place
The real question, of course, is will the 2024 PHB have spells of every spell school of every level? Obviously it's more important they have them for abjuration, divination, evocation, and illusion, but presumably future wizard subclass redos will give similar features for other schools.
I feel like the new phb will have all the spells and the other book with a bunch of subclasses and the artificer will just reference the phb it would be a massive fumble on wizards part to split the spells based on the subclasses that get them
I really appreciate these videos, Chris! I hope you are having fun with it! I know a lot of my friends really appreciate your content. And every time I see discourse online somebody is referencing these videos. It really is a huge asset 🤝
Always great to hear your additional insights!
I really wished Wizard had taken a page from the Land Druids' eight lands & gave Wizards a "Specialist" subclass to encompass all eight schools, with the generalist Savant, then a specialist branch at 10th & 14th level. That way they can divert resources to making unique Wizard subclasses like Scribes & War.
Part of me just enjoys how much work you put in to see what info is already revealed to get around the nda. Appreciated
> "On being dead..."
"So, you've died... but the game's not over."
Hopefully they have added a ton of divination spells in this PHB, there aren’t enough to fill in those extra choices diviners will get from the savant feature
Chris thank you for cranking these videos out.
I have no idea what the video production process is like, but to go from your usual schedule to making a video every day has to be a lot. And you have done so without compromising on the quality analysis you are known for.
Just wanted to show some appreciation for all the work you have been putting in!
Such a joy as an Australian getting to always wake up to your coverage every morning. Listening to your videos is my reward for getting out of bed 😂
I am very excited about the Illusionist, and I hope the new clarifications for the illusion spells will be a game changer for the class.
Memorize Spell needed nerfing. The 1 minute requirement trivialized spell prep choices - just load up on combat spells and take a minute break if you need a utility spell. A short rest feels more reasonable.
Also, the party warlock appreciates whenever another member of the party has a reason to take a short rest lol
I think it is once per short rest. At the end of the video that's what it says.
@@madmartigan9190 Right, but in the UA it was only 1 minute with no limit on uses. I nerfed that in my game using playtest rules.
Yes i’m glad they caught how busted and un-fun that was!
@@madmartigan9190 if you watched the video itself, JC literally says that they can change the prepared spell at the end of a short rest. It's not just limited to once per short rest, you have to take a short rest to do it
That’s disappointing that the subclasses didn’t get adjusted as much as the illusionist did. I understand that the wizard class is strong but wizards get so few subclass features it’s nice when they start to identify with the character more
I like that you incorporate the additional information from D&D Beyond. Keep up the great work!
Always excited every time I see another Treantmonk video. Talk about an overload of Chris! But there’s no such thing as that; keep up the great work!
Chris I really appreciate your insights into these reveals, it's always a joy watching your videos
Yours is definitely my favorite reaction to these videos. Your having taken notes on the actual PHB has of course been a fantastic help to make these videos what they are. I still have to question all these 1/long rest abilities they keep handing out to classes and subclasses. My character sheet is going to be twice as long with things I can barely even use. Definitely isn't going to speed up the table.
Thanks for getting these up so quickly! I've gotten to the point where I don't even watch the initial stream. I just wait patiently for your upload lol
All the wizard stuff aside, I'm just glad Chris didn't have any coffee related tragedies today.
Minor Illusion as a bonus action sounds nuts.
You can basically put each round a barrel over yourself to block line of sight. That can make quite some spells and tactics null and void.
I'm currently playing an illusionist in a campaign (2014 version). I just got to level 5, and we've had plenty of weeks where people work, so we may be there for a while (we've also got a planned break to do a one shot after our current quest). If the new handbook is out before I hit level 6, I'm going to show the changes to my DM and hope he lets me swap the lv 6 feature (if not use the whole subclass change). I'll also show him the glossary for illusions, since it feels like the few times I cast them, they barely accomplish anything. That may be partially because we've yet to encounter guards/etc. to give good opportunities for illusions to solve the problem, but I also think the DM just has some trouble buying into them in general. All our battles have been in large open rooms with little to no obstructions, so I can't even use the environment to my advantage with illusions.
And the fighting illusions will be a big help for me in battle. One of the other players clearly wants me to take fireball, but I told him I'll need to set up an in world reason first, since it doesn't fit my vibe. I was recently contemplating asking the DM if I could re-skin it as psychic damage to have is be illusory, but I assume that's going to require hefty nerfs for balance, since that damage type is stronger than just swapping fire for cold or lightning. But depending on the new modify feature, I might be able to apply that to various spells to keep my vibe (assuming the DM let's me incorporate all of that into the 2014 version).
So minor illusion to make a cloud of opaque smoke around the target, and then a ranged attack cantrip with advantage since the target can no longer see you and you can see through your own illusions. Seems like a nice low-level buff.
Hey Chris, thanks for doing these. I'm hoping for a change summary at the end. I've been looking for a consolidated list of changes. I haven't found one yet. Such a video might garner some views.
I'm not sure when they're going to stop revealing things, maybe not before I CAN reveal things, stay tuned and I'll make sure you know everything you need to know before deciding if you wish to purchase this book
@TreantmonksTemple the inclusion of an Illusion guide in the glossary alone is enough for me to already purchase this new phb! Plus bonus action Minor Illusion w00t!!!
Just another fantastic video from Chris. This will really help the Wizard player in my campaign who is creating a new character.
Once the players handbook is released, will you be tier ranking the subclasses again? I’d love to see how they match up with all of the changes to the subclasses and their base classes.
Probably at some point, but for awhile I'm just going to go through all the new stuff.
I am so glad you do bust your tail to get these videos out.
I cant watch the stream most of the times cause I'm in college, but I'm glad Treantmonk's video is always already up when I arrive at home :D
It feels like potent catrip might be good for eldritch blasting! Gotta see the other changes but it really is pretty interesting
YEEEES I FRICKING LOVE THE NEW SPELLBREAKER FOR ABJURER IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED YEEEEEES
So I'm a tad concerned about the limit of changing one spell per rest to the wizard, mostly in that it looks like both the clerics and sorcerers (and maybe others) will all have more memorized spells based on subclass than the wizard(unless the number of memed spells in the wizard chart is higher). I've been in too many games where the wizard either does not have access or does not have gold to actually learn many more spells than other casters, as well as games where you just don't ever have a good enough idea of what you'll be dealing with to actually tailor your spell list beyond the greatest hits, it's part of why I loved the element changing subclass feature for scribes so much, I only had to actually memorize a couple of damage spells and could just swap out types based on what I was dealing with.
Potent spellcasting could add int bonus to damage cantrips, and "graze" then. It would be really cool
As a loving Illusionist player, I am so, so thrilled by these changes.
Expert divination was really hamstrung by the lack of divination spell options, so I hope they filled out the divination spell list a bit more. I'm quite hopeful because I've been pleasantly surprised by how many times feedback I gave during the playtest was addressed in later playtests and the final product. My feedback for illusionist was about how the 1st and 6th level features didn't have any mechanical weight because their effects are all up to the DM's idea of how illusion spells work, and I'm excited to see that now we have both clear mechanical benefits at those levels as well as guidance on illusion spells themselves.
Chris thank you. I like to watch your videos they are pretty concise and able to be understood. I have only ever found 1 item that you had wrong in all your videos. That aside. Thank you Again.
You spoke of books you like to read. Have you read Raymond E. Feist, he has a series of books that are awesome. He has now named it "The Series" it's starts with the rift war saga. Great series to read.
Again thank you
All these major revisions to subclasses like Illusionist, Fae, Beserker, GOO, etc. makes me hopeful Draconic Sorcerer will get the proper rework it deserves rather than some minor quality of life changes that does not really help it compete with the other sorcerer subclasses. But it being a sorcerer subclasses also makes me think that is not the case since WotC seems to have something major against the class.
Looking forward to the eventual build videos!
Shadow Conjuration goes back to 1e. There was also Shadow Magic that let you cast a fireball that did a fraction of the damage if the target recognized it was an illusion. (Of course the 1e illusionist took such a back seat to the magic-user that they had a 7th level spell called “first level magic-user spells.”
Which in turn manifested in 3/3.5 as (Greater) Shadow Evocation. I miss these spells somewhat, although spellcasting is already less restrictive now that you don't need to prepare each slot, so its utility is diminished from that era.
Am I the only one perpetually thinking the choice of Wizard art with a all white outfit immediately invokes "Oh, Cleric?"
Yeah, the books help with the wizard impression, but it still feels very much "divine wizard"
Enchantment Wizard was my favorite. I’m gonna miss them 😭
I'm guessing they will release more material later and more subclasses will be In there.
I love wizards as well for thematics I really was interested to see your take I’ll be playing an illusionist it’s just too fun I wish we had all the others though I feel transmuted could’ve used an awesome facelift as well
I wonder how much the reclassification of spells to Abjuration is a buff to Clockwork Magic, which can get it's replacements from that school.
How much do you think so, if you are comfortable sharing, Chris?
Unfortunately, I am not since Clockwork magic is in the PHB and I can't reveal any mechanics of that subclass in the new book.
Was late today! Took the kids and wife to the Zoo. Knew I’d be alright though because, I don’t need the stream. Chris breaks everything down perfectly!! Thank you for the wizard review!!!
Is there some sorta misty illusionist/fighter idea here? Blink in, hold everyone at bay for a bit, then blink out as soon as they are threatened. Just kinda seems cool.
Ohh that illusion glossary was sorely needed. I need a RAW explanation of tactile illusions, i really hope they have it.
Spell Mastery... those monsters.
I just hope they have clarified a bit how illusions work, what they can and can't do and a default for how to see through them/what happens with physical interaction etc
Edit: sounds like they have done this :)
I was just thinking about how the Fey warlock felt really cool as an illusion-focused character, and then I see this title!
44:15 oooh rules on teleportation, do they finally point out if you can stand from prone when teleporting or if you keep momentum when teleporting during a fall?
Wish list:
* Scholar includes the Order of Scribe magic quill.
* Modify Spell is kept, let it work when you Memorize Spell, or by spending a minute to modify a spell you have prepared if its lvl 6 or lower.
* Create Spell is kept from the earlier playtest, but emphasize it has to be a Wizard spell you've used Modify Spell on, and that it increases the new spell level by 2 by default, but the DM is free to add or remove additional costs, also to veto the spell, allow creation of entirely new spells if allowed, AND decide if the Modifications actually require the spell level to be changed, or if it should be less or more then then a flat +2. Baseline its just "Hey, make Modify Spell permanent with a new spell, but at +2 spell level. But if your DM is up to it, you could create brand new spells, or other modifiers!" At a steep gold price of course.
Secondary wish list:
* Bladesinger, improved with limited Weapon Mastery access.
* Enchanter, improved to actually use Modify Memory, the spell in some way on that 14th lvl feature.
* Necromancer, Undead Thralls also affecting Danse Macabre like it does Animate Dead, and Inured to Undeath specifying that your max HP can't be reduced by anything EXCEPT your own spells. To close some 'fun' spell loops.
* Theurgist? I dunno, think it'd be fun to add, maybe to conflict with a Nethermancer/Diabolist/Demonologist Wizard? Just different from the original UA!
* Transmuter, oh gods, this needs so much... let it be better at using Alchemist Tools, like a sedo-Artificer, and make its 10th level Shapechanger be clarified to keep your Int, Wis, and Cha scores while polymorphed.
I've admittedly done a LOT of homebrew on these subjects. >_> Started when I tried to combine all the playtests, then fill out what they were missing while trying to keep the same style of change.
Did they say anything about the Conjurer ... especially after giving the Illusionist a huge boost with a free summon. I love most of the revision, but this new Illusionist feature probably lacked some baking time, though that subclass is definately more fun now !
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely happy about the subclasses we're getting here. I love just about every change they've mentioned. It does kind of stink that we're losing 4 subclasses, though. Not too bummed about Transmutation, but Conjuration, Enchantment, and especially Necromancy will be missed (without circle of spores, either).
Might just have to do some homebrewing after I get my PHB... or just use the old versions with the new savant feature. We'll have to see what the "backwards compatibility" rules look like.
My excuse for playing an illusionist now is that I really like druids, and illusionist is kind of like a druid, if I say so. I can make my imaginary pet friends and I also get a spell available just for druids ( don't tell me that rangers get it too ).
I really hope the illusion glossary and stuff comes with more dm guidance. I literally can't expect illusion spells to do anything at all with my current dm. If they see it appear, they auto pass, if they see you casting, auto pass, if they encounter it without either of the prior, they will stop and spend multiple turns making checks until they pass. If it is moving but doesn't make sound they auto pass, if it is audio but they don't see it auto pass. If it is cast behind them from being hidden, auto pass because they have 360 degree vision or head it being cast. Casting hallucinatory terrain 8 hours ride away from the enemy chasing you? Too bad the terrain is completely flat and they can see you casting it however many miles away. Oh, and minor illusion with illusion savant can only be edited every turn, so it can't replicate a creature even if that creature is small or under 5 ft because it moves and makes sounds in stop-motion. Not super mad on that ruling as it does say object and not creature, but major illusion being the only option that sometimes even buys time in any combat or pre combat situation sucks and makes the subclass useless until level 6.
It's weird that *all* illusionists always know and have prepared Summon Beast and Summon Fey, and not just an illusory version of it.
Considering casting them as illusions is just better (b/c of 3rd level feature), I don't see casting them as conjurations at all.
Yeah, but I guess this is just a mechanically efficient way of doing it.
@@TreantmonksTemple That's a valid point, it does still feel weird to me, like they're fighting the system even as they're making the system, but I know it isn't actually a big deal, I'm just being picky
A really fast homebrew fix if you wanna keep the theme and fantasy of it more intact is that they always have the illusion trait or at the very least describe them as illusions. With a full casting having more HP due to more casting power being put into it.
I showed up here so fast
I could see warlocks taking an evoker dip for their eldritch blast, because garanteed hitting is nice if you can add a bunch of effects as well. Eldritch knights be like hhmm let me go take a 4 lvl detour for some funsy's, let alone if they get their hands on illusionist bracers.
I really like the new version of the savant spells, for especially loaded spell levels like 3rd and 4th it means that you won't be a divination wizard who feels out of luck because what wizard in their right mind would take clairvoyance or tongues at level 5 when fireball, counterspell, dispel magic, hypnotic pattern, fear, and fly all become available at the same time.
One question I have about the evoker is if potent cantrip would apply to booming blade, green flame blade, and (assuming it's the same as or similar to the playtest) true strike? because if it does a 3 level dip into evoker for an eldritch knight seems like it would be a very worthwhile endeavor, the cantrips which will be doing way more damage than they would with a wizard because you'll be using magic weapons and which will be used commonly even through much higher levels feels like a much better version of the graze mastery because you'll just be getting way more damage out of it
For the illusionary Self option in the UA, there seems to be the implication that it should be on par with 2nd level spell, but the feature seems like it might usually be worse than the 2014 version of 1st level shield spell which could save you from multiple attacks... pity that so far they have not talked about general spell changes, to let us know whether the 1st level Shield spell will typically be better than this "pseudo 2nd level spell" Illusionist feature...
I think the move to bonus action with a lot of abilities wont make combat that much faster, but removes any slow starts in combat as you don't have to waste the first turn casting an important buff.
I’m so happy to see the Memorize Spell nerf. The playtest Wizard had way too much flexibility.
Thinking about it I agree. 1 minute for any spell was crazy.
Illusion is our favorite spell school but was always such a bad subclass, so this is several huge wins!
All I wanted to know, which they didn't share.. is Counterspell better now? Especially since it's now a feature for Abjurer :O
Great video, but I’m disappointed they didn’t do more with the wizard. With all the goodies other casting classes are getting I feel like my beloved wizards are going from being the best caster class to one of the weakest.
They've had it too good for too long. The age of the wizard is OVER, THE AGE OF THE SORC HAS BEGUN
I wonder how counterspell was changed, with how it now works with abjurer.
14:05 Here's the question, though... Are the spells listed by school anywhere? Because currently, all spells are listed in the class spell lists alphabetically with no further information. So if your wizard Abjurer turns level 7, and gets to add a new level 4 Abjuration spell, you have to read each and every 4th level wizard spell to find out which ones are abjuration school.
It’s listed in the handbook, or you can look it up on D&D wiki
Hey, since we both love wizards so much, can you recommend movies tv or cartoons that portray them properly?
Ive always loved the portrayal in Dragon Slayer.
gonna miss the malleable illusions feature and the creation spell combo if they keep the change's to illusionist
Is spell breaker a spell casting though or an ability ? Can you cast a Magic missile or just a cantrip as an action ?
Thanks for doing these! I love watching them with your feedback, especially since you have an early release copy. Much more fun to watch than the original
I'm really watching just to make sure you're getting your daily coffee at this point.
Does anyone know if the 3rd level boom spells, like fireball and lightning bolt, can now increase proportionally power wise, as your character levels up. In old videos Chris always advised dropping spells like fireball once you reached around level 7?
If you're turning a summon spell into an illusion how is it going to trigger a trap?
You like big brain spell guy? Read Awaken Online, specifically the Ember trilogy of the series. It's about a big brained guy navigating a virtual magical world. The series in general is made of people innovating this magical world but Finn is my fav so far.
Thanks for the updates! I want a version without Jeremy/Todd on, just your thoughts!
I know you can't go into details and probably haven't crunched numbers yet, but based on your initial impressions do you feel steps have been taken to address the martial / caster divide.
Yes. Not eliminate it mind you, but at least narrow it somewhat.
@@TreantmonksTemple hey. That's something. Hopefully they address more of the problematic spells than the play test showed, but even if it was just what we saw I'd say it's a big step
the title of this video has me very excited, illusionist is my favourite! I hope it gets more creative and fun uses outside of combat
Edit: Did they seriously remove Malleable illusions???????????? Im devastated, that was probably the coolest feature in the entire game and now its gone. I dont even see a reason to play illusionist anymore...
In the write up on DndBeyond, it says "If you don’t see a feature covered, such as Signature Spells, that means it is unchanged from the 2014 Wizard, or only saw very minor changes."
If a feature was removed or replaced, they would have addressed it. Since malleable illusions wasn't mentioned, that means the feature is still there and Phantasmal Creatures was just an additional feature at level 6
Any idea if bladesinger will make it into OneDND? Either in the PHB or in a later release? I would be so sad if it got left by the wayside.
There definitely will be more books in the future as that's the business they're in. 👍
We'll have to use the "backwards compatibility" up to that point.
I can't help but wonder what will become of the other 4 spell school subclasses since they aren't in here. All of these changes are very nice for these 4 subclasses, but what about the rest?
Eventually they'll release more books I'd assume?
For now, the "backwards compatibility" will have to do I guess. :)
@@zTom_ Yeah, I guess so. I'm wondering what kind of book they'll put them in? Maybe it'll be in the "Advanced Player's Guide" along with the rest of the cleric domains.
I hope the illusionist's phantasmal creatures deal psychic damage with their attacks.
Only four subclasses, I really hoped to see an improvement in transmuter and conjurer, guess they aren't cheap conjurer's
Question i dont know of you can answer, when you get your subclass, do you get 4 spells? And then 3 spells every subsequent level? 2 from level up normally and 2 then 1 from the school of subclass?
I should be able to answer that. You get 2 spells right away, and another whenever you gain a new level of spell slot, so eventually 9
I still wish the base wizard got something more than change one spell and a skill expertise. Gaining nothing between level 7 to 18 is kinda disappointing. We dont need a boost, wizard is already very strong. Just some fun class features. The illusionist looks really good this time around. I definitely like the savant features a lot more now. I think out of every subclass, I'm the most meh about the evoker. Chris how do you feel about the illusionist? Do you think in the future, they'll bring back the necromancer?
I would have liked more changes, just so it felt different to play.
@@TreantmonksTemple exactly
It wouldn't matter if you got those features or not because in the end, Sorcerers are better than Wizards. Have a great day!
@@007ohboy True, I agree. It is better to be a nepo-baby than having to work hard.
@nikcantsnipe Pssssh! Your whole society is built upon nepotism, imperialism and taking things that don't belong to you. USA, baby! #1
You're just mad WOTC is better at it than you.
I'm seeing a rogue/wizard illusion multiclass being fun for players. Hell for GMs. lol
36:30 what about the spell illusory dragon from xge it gives precedent for illusory summoning spells
That's true
I find it odd that u get counterspell and dispell magic prepared at 10th level does this mean if i have took these spells at 5th level once i hit 10th level i am 2 spells less than someone who didnt take these spells until this feature?
I'd say it just frees up 2 spells spaces from your preparations so you can choose to have 2 different ones from your book instead.
In essence, like what happens with any ritual spells. :)
Is it just me or is the Boon of Spell Recall recommended in the article for 19th level just trash?
I don't play Wizards so I guess I never realized how ridiculous this is but whose idea was it to give the evoker a cantrip ability at level six and the big Blaster ability at level 2!! Just begging for multi class dips. What spells do you even have to sculpt at level 2.
All this to say I'm glad they've put their abilities in the order in which they are useful
Damn, I wanna play an illusionist wizard now!
I feel like going full trickster with an Arcane Trickster rogue + at least 3 Levels of Illusionist wizard will be very fun in unoptimised play