I’m am so so sad. My generation has not been catechized, the confusion that never ends and we want clarity and there is none and our children and grandchildren are lost. God help us.
What was the point of this video? Seriously it seems like this has been a video to make a spectacle out of Vigano and kick a man when he is down. You got the outcome that you wanted out of the Vatican for Vigano. What has this commentary added to the faith? It seems like a taking joy out of Vigano’s misfortune. It all sounds deeply personal between you and him. Questioning the man about his relationship with God by calling out Francis and then calling him possessed by a demon!
@@thecatholicman So it seems that the reconsecration (that is to say the reconsecration is considered conditional) is the last straw, yet all of the other issues that people in the comments have brought up are within bounds. That they still exist within church must mean they are. Yet the man that is shining light on these other “within bounds” issues just so happens is the one punished. Very interesting.
I was a lapsed Catholic; it had been more than 45 years since I made my last confession and received communion, but I had never stopped believing in The Trinity and continued to pray and read the Bible daily. My beloved wife recently passed and I started to pray for her and offer the Rosary, and beg Jesus that she would be forgiven her sins and she would find everlasting peace in Heaven. I felt that saying the Rosary 3 times a day, and Praying would be more acceptable to The Heavenly Father if I was in a state of Grace; I therefore went to confession for the first time in more than 45 years. Having made my Confession and attending Church on a number of occasions, I then took the courage and went to Communion, I now go to confession every week and attend Church and receive the Eucharist at least 4 times a week. Here is my problem, I am confused with the current teachings, I thought I was very sinful, but even my most wicked moments, I would have been sickened with the antics of the Vatican. I am desperate for guidance and instruction to do the things which are acceptable to The Heavenly Father, but sadly that guidance is not emulating from the Vatican. I will not let Jesus and The Virgin Mother down again, I receive so much solace from saying the Rosary which I offer to my Wife. I am heart broken with closure of Churches, and everything from the Vatican is accelerating the destruction. My wife and I were married in 1968 a RC Church, which was less than 10 years old, the Sunday Services were packed. That Church was knocked down and replaced with retirement homes. Fortunately I trust the guidance provided by my local Priest.
I love your comment. The traditional teachings of the Faith are all valid and eternally true. It's very difficult to find them because of the current 'modern' Church. If you are strong in your faith and won't be swayed into schism there are many resources online that go deeper into the traditional, real and true teachings of the old faith. You can't go wrong with the rosary! God bless you and your devotion to your wife's soul. May her soul and all the souls of the faithfully departed rest in peace.
Peter stick with the magisterin of the church and the holy pontiff. Our lord said he is with us till the end, he dident stop in the 1960s, nobody said the church is perfect, so stick it out and pray for our catholic church and the pope
And yet, Rupnik, is still a priest in good standing. Rupnik's art is too. The entirety of the German synodal way is still in good standing. There are countless others... Cardinals Pell, Burke, Muller punished, Bishop Strickland, and many others.... for being Pope Francis "enemies". Vigano is a whistleblower who has had to live in hiding for years. That says everything.
@@thecatholicman Never! If an animal run too far or suffers the hunter, The hunter will equally offer it the equal "too far" bullets. Francis went more than far, went outside the track or line intoto.
Everyday the burden of spiritual chastisement gets heavier. The only thing of merit is prayer and penance. Cling to the sacraments while we still have them.
Archbishop vigano was defrocked for calling out the vatican the way st. John the baptist called out herods adulterous relationship. ( oh and i just thought of this, according to the vatican now herods Relationship can be blessed just not the union itself but the individuals within the union. Imagine hearing this from John the baptist.
@@robertkolinsky1286don't feel stupid. He knew what you meant! It's called gaslighting. He's totally out of order, so he's blaming you instead of apologizing like he should.
I could be wrong, but perhaps he just got a “conditional” consecration. I’ve got friends who have received “conditional” baptisms and marriages, in case the circumstances of their sacraments are under suspicion. So maybe that’s Vigano too?
Perhaps Vigano was accepted into a non-Roman Rite of the Catholic Church and whatever process that takes might seem to look like a "re-consecration" but my understanding in one consecration and "done" so being consecrated "again" makes no sense regarding the graces and spieitual commission of a bishop. If he thinks he is still a Roman Rite bishop reconnected into a different, what, sub-clan? No, not making sense at all. I personally was called via my own private prayer discernment to leave the Roman Rite and join a very tiny Catholic Rite that recognizes Vatican Ii yet is very conservative and rejects all the new Francis dogmatic novelties. Perhaps both Benedict XVI and Cardinal Sarah were correct when they foretold publicly that the Catholic Church will survive all this evil modernist infiltration but it will survive as a very very small remnant, a tiny fraction of what it was. I believe that the Holy Spirit is encouraging these very small Rites to carry on the truths of the church, including Vatican II, and all of the truthful, loyal to the Magisterium Rites will make up the universal Catholic Church of the future and the Roman Rite will continue it's apostasy and join in to become a big chunk of the universal man-made global UniChurch. Just my 2 cents.
@@marynadononeill The Name of his Rite is called the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ, outside of which there is no salvation.
Once Vigano got deeper into the Vatican issues, he came to realize that too much was illegitimate. We need a new Council as I heard a rumor there is one in the planning - we would not be at a loss to find good solid leadership. God is permitting this to happen to bring about a better good. Vigano probably knows more than he has revealed to us. Pray for more Truth to be revealed. Pax Christi!
These are very sad and trying times. All the more reason to go deeper into prayer. For mercy, for the light of Christ to illuminate the way forward, that our hearts of stone may become hearts that love.
@@thecatholicman Seriously cannot believe you are trying to argue that. Just gonna point out the obvious, all the rites were changed in 1968-70, and there is an argument to be made that Apostolicae Curiae (which considered Anglican orders invalid) would render the 1968 rites to be doubtful - not saying I believe that, but it is possible.
While I do not agree with everything Vigano says and does, I believe there is a reason for his defiance. You keep saying this is not the solution. As history has shown, whoever sits as head of the DDF is a very influential person in regard to the direction of the Church in the coming years. Is the solution to just sit, let Fernandez put his influence on the future of the Church and hope the next Bishop of Rome reverses it? When was the last time a significant change was reversed in the Church? I would ask you, where is your line? What must people like Francis and Fernandez do before you become defiant and say, "That is not what our Lord and the Apostles said should be done/taught"? How has the benign and docile tactics of Abp. Athanasius Schneider given Fernandez cause to pause? How has the humble and pious tactics of Abp. Strickland caused Francis to reconsider? Throughout the history of the Church people have been called to be troublemakers in regards to the individual in the position of Bishop of Rome. Where would the Church be today if an 11th Century Italian Benedictine monk from Ravenna (who wanted nothing more than to live a quiet life of prayer and contemplation) had not felt driven to speak up about things that a blind-eye was being turned toward by his Bishop of Rome? I shutter to think. I CAN tell you, because he DID follow what he felt was his calling (I am sure there were MANY who said what he did was not the solution), it resulted in him not only being canonized a Saint but also declared a Doctor of the Church. Sometimes it takes an outlandish rabble-rouser to rise above the monotone rumblings of discontent to get people's attention. Lastly, we must be careful not to confuse discontent with the flawed sinner that is Jorge Bergoglio with discontent with the office of the Bishop of Rome.
So now you dont think ARCH-BISHOP VIGANO is a "Bishop" but guys like James MARTIN can be called "Father"??? 😮... VIGANO went off course but Church leaders in the VATICAN have completely went off course as well my friend. I wont follow a lot of the madness coming from Rome. 🙏... We continue to pray.
He himself made that judgment, not me. He didn’t believe himself he was actually a Bishop, otherwise why seek reconsecration. As for Father James Martin, he is a heretic and a fraud.
@@SmithsnMoz he is a Father because he is a priest. He was ordained. He’s just a horrible father. My dad abandoned me as a kid; I’m still his daughter biologically. The priesthood is like biological fatherhood: it cannot be revoked.
@@Meh45567..Martin is exactly who Jesus Christ is referring to when he said "Call no man Father on the earth, for one is your father in heaven"... You can't blindly follow a man who is leading Souls to HELL . Spiritually speaking . You actually think that VIGANO is no longer a Bishop but Martin should still be called "Father"? I surely don't...
God bless Archbishop Vigano, a true and holy man of God. I will continue to support Archbishop Vigano. Bishop Wliamson is another wonderful bishop, I wish we had more like these good bishops but then the 'New Order' Church is, heading to the gates, of hell.
I don’t know if Vigano is right or wrong, but I do know that Pope Francis cares about what the secular world and the Anglican Church thinks of him.Outside the Catholic Church this will just seem like proof that the church has not modernised at all. The concept of the infallibility of the Pope sounds backward and archaic to the secular world. The secular and Anglican world will see this as a vain, arrogant and tyrannical Pope abusing his power by sacking a very elderly high ranking , highly respected man, who until recently has dedicated and sacrificed his whole life for the good of the church. Most normal peoples reaction in the secular would be that Viganos behaviour of loyal servant turning into troublesome critic in old age, is obviously a sign of ageing, that he is a man who is no longer thinking clearly due to age, and who should be treated with care, love and compassion, considering his life long service to the Church. Not someone who should be excommunited, publicly humiliated, and possibly booted out of his home. If the church is so weak it can’t absorb criticism from someone’s Viganos age without punishing them, then it makes them look really bad. The outside world will not accept that Vigano can harm the Church. They will say, either the man, Vigano is right, or he has dementia, and people should be able to decide for themselves, without the Church playing Big Brother.
Without Vigano the sins of the dark vatican would not be revealed. He is a hero and what he has said is everything Our Lady has said in her approved locutions snd apparitions. As for the reconsecration...who knows, he is not a prelate who acts on impulse...he is a man of great prayer. We must pray for him...He has never had time to dive deep into what was happening until he was not actively doing his duties. All will be revealed When we meet our creator. He has sacrificed his vocation for Truth. Watch Stephen Gardners interview with Mike McCormick...Bidens Stenographer( out today)Truth coming out there too.... We are surrounded by darkness. Maybe he needed to teveal his insight before the upcoming synod. Does he know what the 3rd secret of Fatima? Maybe.
All will be revealed, so if I were you I would repent and learn the faith, maybe do some research and read actual documents that will tell you the truth and not be listening to false prophets on UA-cam
He’s a schismatic bishop who rejects the ecumenical council of obedience. Once you remove yourself from the office of St Peter, you remove yourself from Christ’s Body.
I am shocked at what you are saying. Arch Bishop Vigano has a point the children to day that are receiving Baptism is not the true rite no salt on the tongue
I am glad you made it safely home, Robert. I hope your arm injury recovers fast. I have spoken to my former Abbot in Scotland. As an ex Benedictine I am using my contacts in Aberdeen, Econe and Rome to help me discern my own thoughts regarding Archbishop Vigano's excommunication. One thing I do know, Archbishop Vigano IS an Archbishop. He has been consecrated using the episcopal rite of consecration published by Pope Pius XII. It doesn't matter what Archbishop Vigano believes: he IS an Archbishop. ANYONE CONSECRATED AN ARCHBISHOP UNDER THE RITE OF PIUS XII IS VALIDLY CONSECRATED. You are wrong Robert: if you were to ask Archbishop Vigano AT THIS MOMENT if he believes he has received valid episcopal consecration, he would say YES. He has not rejected the grace of the Episcopate. Conditional re consecration doesn't undo an existing valid consecration. The Bull of excommunication doesn't refer to him as an ex Archbishop. He is an Archbishop and he is excommunicated. The Holy Office correctly refer to him as an excommunicated Archbishop. When a Lay Person is Baptized, it places a mark on their soul which can never be erased. Ditto for episcopal consecration. Along with my two Sisters, I was brought up attending the SSPX from day one. By the time my older Sister was born, my parents rejected the NO and went with the TLM. My younger Sister was confirmed by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1989 when he was on one of his regular visits. Note, this was a year AFTER he had been excommunicated. We still called him Archbishop Lefebvre NOT Monsieur Lefebvre. He was consecrated Archbishop of Dakar in the rite of Pius XII. This left an indelible Mark on his Soul. It wasn't erased when JPII excommunicated him. Similarly, Archbishop Vigano has such a permanent marker of consecration on his Soul. When I, along with some members of my family were excommunicated for attending the 1988 Econe SSPX episcopal consecrations, we appealed. A man by the name of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, rescinded our excommunication. I didn't have to be re baptized or re confirmed !!!!!!!!! If Archbishop Vigano is ever reconciled with the Holy See and his excommunication rescinded, he will not have to undergo Baptism, Holy Orders etc.
And Fr. James Martin is and always will be in good standing. Blasphemous artwork continues to be randomly displayed. Maybe the excommunication is warranted, but, the Church is crazy.
@@thecatholicmanI suggest that you have mercy on a man fearing that his whole ministry was invalid. He might be mistaken, but we should certainly understand his fears. Meditate on the Body of Christ. He's a part of that Body, too! He deserves his title until a valid authority takes it away.
Can't disagree. Vigano's sollution is not the correct one, but I and the rest of Catholic Faithful await a solution that deals substantively with the corruption that afflicts the Church. The passive acquiescence of the remaining good bishops and Cardinals cannot be excused.
So 260 popes teachings were negated by the last 6? Does Vat II prepare souls for persecution? "And you shall be my Witnesses in Judea, Samaria and to the ends of the earth..." Francis rejects traditional titles. So there were no disciples made in the catholic church up until V2?
Where is the proof about Vigano and the alleged consecration .... ? My understanding is that Fr. Chazal made an off the cuff comment about Abp Vigano doing "something about his consecration" ...How do we know that is even accurate ?
Even if it's accurate, it would have to be investigated to find out the reasons for the doubtful initial consecration or even a problem in his ordination. If the reason is sufficient, there's no problem. The conditional ordination/consecration would be a good thing.
Robert you are arguing against yourself. If you dont refet to Vugano as Archbishop youre making Viganis own argument.. that he was never an Archbishop.. if it is a valid consecration of Archbishop Vigano it dtands whethet Vugano believes it or not.. and you chosing to stop referring to him as Archbishop confirms Viganos stance
So we're supposed to stand with the Pope that rejects the title "Vicar of Christ" and reject the bishop that card enough, late in life at the very least looked into the validity of the sacraments to ensure he really was validly a bishop.
"Cuando Pedro vino a Antioquía, yo me enfrenté a él cara a cara y le reprendí. Pues antes de que viniesen algunos de parte de Santiago, él comía con los paganos; pero cuando vinieron, se retrajo y se apartó por miedo a los judíos" - San Pablo en Gálatas 2,11-12 El arzobispo Carlo Maria Viganò está actuando similar a San Pablo, no igual, sino similar. La diferencia es que hoy se ha dado el cara a cara, ni se dará, entre ambos obispos, Vigano y Bergoglio.
And The Truth will set us free!!! To those who have eye see!!! To those who have ears here!!! PRAY PRAY PRAY!!! Our Lady Queen of Peace pray for us!!! God bless you my friend!!!❤JMJ+
The human institution of the Church is proceeding to entombment. As Christ traveled the Via Dolorosa on His way to Golgotha, the Human institution known as the Roman Catholic church.Will go through the same scourging. All this is occurring under the permissive will of God. In the end, we will see the triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart. Be at peace. Stay in a state of grace wesr your scapular.And pray the rosary daily.
What an abominable way for a church to behave, which preaches tolerance, forgiveness, and loving our enemies. Punishing an elderly gentleman who has dedicated his whole life to the Church, just because he’s recently started to disagree with the pope, is inflexible, intolerant and barbaric. Decent human beings don’t behave like this. A Pope should be able to rise above criticism.
If à priest doesn't believe his Sacrament is not valid, isn't it still so? Many Catholics don't believe in the true presence...that doesn't make Christ not present. Vigano can err, but he has still been Archbishop, Robert
There is a profound question as to whether post-Vatican II ordinations are valid; so too with the Novus Ordo. We just cannot be sure, but surely the quickening pace of atrocities out of the Vatican make the questions ever more burning and complicated.
Sorry, I am usually in agreement with your views, on the whole, but I support Archbisop Vigano wholeheartedly on this, he is BRAVE and honest. Pope Francis and "his" Cardinals have done and are continue to do shamefull things, unbecoming of his/their office.
@@user-hn8pc7mg8f agree these delusional popespplainers are losing all ground and logic. But I believe it's due to the fact that if they would look at the situation for how it truly is their faith would be too shaken. They have to be able to understand this doesn't mean the gates of hell have prevailed.
@@thecatholicman It would be temporary and could be sorted. This argument has probably lost its clout. We await Vigano's next move and further revelations.
I have just read the Italian version of the Bull of excommunication. Three reasons are adduced for the Archbishop's excommunication. None of them refer to re consecration or conditional re consecration by Bishop Williamson. I don't understand Robert why you are so strongly focused on the reconsecration issue. It isn't one of the three reasons cited by the Holy Office which led to His Excellency being excommunicated. It is more urgent for me not being too familiar with His Excellency, to gain a detailed understanding of what led to the Holy Office adducing the three reasons they did for the excommunication.
Try to see the cause of things. This is what is rooted in Francis and he love it too much. Francis has sowed the seed of division and disunity. Vigano is never excommunicated or a schismatic. All are false. Vigano took the bull by the horn. If excommunication, it should start with Francis and all the German bishops and all the bad eggs and demons in cassock. A thousand of those in cassock are afraid. Many good bishops never believe in what is coming out from Rome and they're just silent. Vigano is NEVER excommunicated. It's a lie, the bishops you mentioned might be in great support in secret. The situation at the moment seem extremely tricky and risky. Only sincere prayer and penance is Our last resort. Anyone who sees vigano as excommunicated is never a Catholic. He/She must have been caught in the net of these demons in cassock. Ave Maria!
«Francis has sowed the seed of division and disunity» that's it. Never leave the boat of Peter!! But: if Peter does no more consider himself the Vicar of Christ??? If he doesn't rule as the Rock? And the flock Is scattered? Lord Jesus, have mercy on us!!!!
@@robertabragatto1288-- Achbp Vigano has continued to stand up for the truth & speak up for the truth the entire time that Bergoglio has been actively destroying the Church. He is our true Shepherd & Hero. He wasn't afraid to oppose & expose the infiltrators in the Vatican! God bless & protect Achbp Vigano!
@@norahsheehan5088 I pointed out Peter (well..."Francis") and the mess he started. Sure Viganò's ordination in itself is valid ..but: if he doesn't recognize anymore JPII as a fully valid pope? If he's been "reconsacrated" by Williamson?? If he's been actually excomunicated by Tucho??? (Ok, I see...this doesn't look serious....and surely it isn't: an excommunication must come from the Congregation 🙄 I mean "Dicastery" of the doctrine of the Faith) 😞😞😞
What are we supposed to do when the anti Christ seats in St. Peter's Chair? What if no bishop denounces him? But if one denounces him, shall we disregard his voice? And if the anti Christ calls him to Rome to face excomunion, shall we lower our heads in submission? "Better for us to obey God rather than any human authority!" (Saint Peter in Acts 5,29) "When later Cephas [Peter] came to Antioch, I CONFRONTED HIM SINCE HE DESERVED TO BE BLAMED. Before some of James' people arrived, he used to eat with non-Jewish people. But when they arrived, he withdrew and did not mingle anymore with them, for fear of the Jewish group." (St. Paul in Galatians 2,11-12)
@@thecatholicman Benedict XVI, when he was Josef Ratzinger, said in 1969 in a radio broadcast in Germany: "The future of the Church, once again as always, will be reshaped by saints, by men, that is, whose minds probe deeper than the slogans of the day, who see more than others see, because their lives embrace a wider reality (...) the Church will find her essence afresh and with full conviction in that which was always at her center: faith in the triune God, in Jesus Christ, the Son of God made man, in the presence of the Spirit until the end of the world. In faith and prayer she will again recognize the sacraments as the worship of God and not as a subject for liturgical scholarship." That time is now. The leaders of the Church today have allowed Her to lose her essence. The saints Benedict XVI mentions that will reshape the Church are not, unfortunately, in the Vatican.
The Answer is Also Our Lady Appearing in Medjugorje🌹,and Her 5 Stones for each of us to Beat the Goliath in our lives,God Has Granted this Time of Grace,also Praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet at 3pm🙏🌍🙏🕊️Each day,YES the Synod is NONSENSE 🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
"We can fall off one side or the other side" - wise words. We need to be careful not to split ourselves off from the church, on EITHER side. Left or Right. Progressive or Traditionalist.
Thank you for clearing the confusion on Vigano. I would love to hear what you think of Mgr.Roux of France he is also pré-VC2 and performs the TLM, but his words sound very legit too. ( his channel is on UA-cam )
I saw you at the ordination today!I saw someone with what appeared to be Free Masonary tattoos I don't know it I'm over reacting but should I have told someone?
Anyone, but especially a priest or bishop, who unmasked the pure evil going on in the church would become so angry that he or she would risk becoming unbalanced. Vigano may have PTSD. There are many who appear very angry and confused about the process that began in the 1960s, calling it satanic and denying the validity of the subsequent popes. How can you pray when you are angry? How can you grow in faith when you are dragging other people down with your anger? How does that help the uncatechized and the victims of abuse ? I think the clear teaching of Strickland ,Schneider, Zen and Mueller is the only way to respond. I pray for Vigano to find peace. I agree with you that we should Give them GOD!
I stayed for some months at the seminary in winona mn sspx (thomas Aquinas) - it was a very positive experience for me, and at the time, i marveled at the obvious intelligence and self discipline of Bishop Williamson and i spoke to him many times during my stay. My heart broke and keeps breaking when i hear news of bishop Williamson and the stances he has taken after, say 1996-ish. If vigano was convinced by Williamson that his consecration was invalid, that makes me sad. More and more we need to back away and say Jesus i trust in you.. i wish i could say something more insightful or profound but there just isnt anything besides sit on yiur helmet and pray
The extreme divisions are coming from the extreme fringes. You can critique, seek understanding, and PRAY. You do not draw huge lines in the sand and condemn Vatican II and every Pope after that Council. You are right . Vigano is not the solution.
@@lisaparker1607 fiducia supplicans was what ticked the final flame in vigano off . I don't suggest judging him. No one saying he is the solution but those in charge in the vatican have brought the problem in the first place.
Why attack his character? You can disagree with ARCHBISHOP Vigano all you want but you attacking his character says everything about YOU in this situation. Saying he’s possessed by demons? 🤣 There are legit demonic forces at work in the Vatican right now and Vigano isn’t it! It’s taken courage to do what’s he’s doing and never waiver an inch - good for him! Vigano raises valid concerns about the Pope. Period! I stand with Archbishop Vigano 💯 God bless him.
Archbishop Vigano isn’t asking for ostrich feathers he’s asking for the liturgy to be corrected! The pope has excommunicated himself with patchimama pledging his allegiance to Canadian Indians and their false gods! Novis ordo ceremony is the wrong mass for the church!
@andrewangelopacheco9960 your words and preaching is very modern. I don't follow modern/Luke warm teachings. You go against the true traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
I honestly believe a major persecution against Faithful Catholics is coming led by the So called leadership of the Catholic Church in Rome! 🙏... God Help Us!
I don't have a full understanding of this issue, in part, because I separate myself from the intrigue, because I don't think it is healthy for me. But I think there is a lot of wisdom in what you are saying here. We can object to the trajectory of the Catholic Church without throwing the baby out with the bath water. And I think contemplating why we are really here, the Union with God, is the most important thing we should be doing as Catholics.
This is devastating news imo. I cheered VIGANO on for a long time. I’ll keep praying for him to repent and return to Mother Church. Thank you for sharing this sad news 😰🙏
Thx. Wow. Consecration by JP2. Exactly. What happens is the scandals got to him. Unable to forgive his superiors for their patience with sinners. Pied piper trying to separate others by invalidating his own ordination....oi. Not the first to jump ship.
9:44 I don't think it is fair to say that Vigano 'never believed he was an Archbishop'. I think he did believe and that he believed in John Paul II also, but he (and the church) has been pushed to such an extreme by the present occupier of the seat of Peter that he has lost faith in the events that led to this situation, including the second Vatican Council.
Theology is an intellectual exercise and it's arm in arm with religion which is the encounter with God. You can have an encounter with God when you realize the truth in reason applied to Revelation. Anti-intellectual false oppositions are popular nowadays though.
I remember a few years before Summorum Pontificum a few priests I knew saying "the Latin Mass is not going to come back." So, I'll keep my hopes up that the Sedia Gestatoria will be brought out of the mothballs and the nonsense stop.
Who is your source regarding Archbishop Vigano's re-Consecration? Is it reliable? Does Archbishop Vigano know of this accusation so that he can respond? 🙏
Thomas Cajetan was in charge of the Martin Luther case. He wrote, "If someone for a reasonable motive, holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delict of schism nor any other whatsoever, ….provided he be ready accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion.” -Cardinal Thomas Cajetan, OP. Commentary on the Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas: entry 186 on “schism”
I agree with you on Vigano , for a while I felt he had gone off the rails, I also feel the same about Fr Altman, I used to be a fan of his , but I feel he is too much now in his anger , it doesn't seem normal
I know that ex-Bp. Williamson is a sedevacantist, so I’m gravely concerned about Abp. Viganò. However, I have questions about this reported reconsecration for which I haven’t yet found answers, so I’m reserving discernment until I get those answers.
I've never heard anything from Bishop Williamson (and he is a real, valid bishop) that approaches sedevacantism. Williamson has publicly stated that he would not establish any kind of "new" version of the SSPX because he doesn't have jurisdiction and that resides in Rome. He stated publicly that "If Francis calls me up and tells me establish a new SSPX that will work to undo everything he's trying to do, then I'll be on the next plane to Rome. But I don't expect him to ask that of me."
person who has been excommunicated - unless excommunicated for apostasy, heresy or schism - is still considered a Catholic and still has all the duties of that relationship, including attending Mass. They are, however, to refrain from receiving the Eucharist. ??? So he is out of the communion with church. If he die unrepentant it means hell😢
If its true that he had himself reconsecrated , that is a grave sin that could well of opened himself up to denomic influence, as it means he disbelieved in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist
It didn’t start 2018‼️ It started in 2014 when a false pope was selected. God knows the truth and Bergoglio is the false prophet (or one of them) the Bible talks about. 1. He is false because he is a prophet who promotes Satan, not God (Revelation 13:11). 2. He promotes the worship of Antichrist (Revelation 13:12) “He exercises all the authority of the first beast on his behalf and compels the earth and those who live on it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.” (Revelation 13:12, HCSB) 3. He develops a ministry of religious deception (Revelation 13:13) 4. He deceives people to follow Antichrist (Revelation 13:14)“He deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that he is permitted to perform on behalf of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image of the beast who had the sword wound and yet lived.” (Revelation 13:14, HCSB) 5. He promotes a false gospel of economic salvation and security (Revelation 13:17-18). Bergoglio is the “False Prophet” because he manipulates, persecutes and controls people.
@@thecatholicman Maybe because they don't want to get the Pell treatment - Pell had to write under a pseudonym to even criticise the pontificate for goodness sake man!
Once Archbishop Vigano started writing letters to Trump I knew he was done. I agree the man is lost. Yes there are problems in the Church etc but if we are just talking Vigano then yes Robert I agree. We need more people like you just honest common sense. I actually think Vigano has so much hate in his heart so how is that of God. I so wish people would wake up
I’m am so so sad. My generation has not been catechized, the confusion that never ends and we want clarity and there is none and our children and grandchildren are lost. God help us.
Did you really listen to what he said
What was the point of this video? Seriously it seems like this has been a video to make a spectacle out of Vigano and kick a man when he is down. You got the outcome that you wanted out of the Vatican for Vigano. What has this commentary added to the faith? It seems like a taking joy out of Vigano’s misfortune.
It all sounds deeply personal between you and him. Questioning the man about his relationship with God by calling out Francis and then calling him possessed by a demon!
@seanjones1020 ... He's trying to 'self-confirm' his own over-inflated ego Sean
The point is he has gone too far
@@thecatholicman far or no far, re-consecrated or not, leave vigano alone we love him like that.
@@thecatholicman So it seems that the reconsecration (that is to say the reconsecration is considered conditional) is the last straw, yet all of the other issues that people in the comments have brought up are within bounds. That they still exist within church must mean they are.
Yet the man that is shining light on these other “within bounds” issues just so happens is the one punished.
Very interesting.
@@thecatholicman far or no far, re-consecrated or not, leave vigano alone we love him like that.
I was a lapsed Catholic; it had been more than 45 years since I made my last confession and received communion, but I had never stopped believing in The Trinity and continued to pray and read the Bible daily.
My beloved wife recently passed and I started to pray for her and offer the Rosary, and beg Jesus that she would be forgiven her sins and she would find everlasting peace in Heaven.
I felt that saying the Rosary 3 times a day, and Praying would be more acceptable to The Heavenly Father if I was in a state of Grace; I therefore went to confession for the first time in more than 45 years.
Having made my Confession and attending Church on a number of occasions, I then took the courage and went to Communion, I now go to confession every week and attend Church and receive the Eucharist at least 4 times a week.
Here is my problem, I am confused with the current teachings, I thought I was very sinful, but even my most wicked moments, I would have been sickened with the antics of the Vatican.
I am desperate for guidance and instruction to do the things which are acceptable to The Heavenly Father, but sadly that guidance is not emulating from the Vatican.
I will not let Jesus and The Virgin Mother down again, I receive so much solace from saying the Rosary which I offer to my Wife.
I am heart broken with closure of Churches, and everything from the Vatican is accelerating the destruction.
My wife and I were married in 1968 a RC Church, which was less than 10 years old, the Sunday Services were packed. That Church was knocked down and replaced with retirement homes.
Fortunately I trust the guidance provided by my local Priest.
I love your comment. The traditional teachings of the Faith are all valid and eternally true. It's very difficult to find them because of the current 'modern' Church. If you are strong in your faith and won't be swayed into schism there are many resources online that go deeper into the traditional, real and true teachings of the old faith. You can't go wrong with the rosary! God bless you and your devotion to your wife's soul. May her soul and all the souls of the faithfully departed rest in peace.
@@marynadononeill Thank you
Peter stick with the magisterin of the church and the holy pontiff. Our lord said he is with us till the end, he dident stop in the 1960s, nobody said the church is perfect, so stick it out and pray for our catholic church and the pope
@@annburke6705 That's right Ann. The Church may be hang some trouble but it isn't over!
And yet, Rupnik, is still a priest in good standing. Rupnik's art is too.
The entirety of the German synodal way is still in good standing.
There are countless others...
Cardinals Pell, Burke, Muller punished, Bishop Strickland, and many others....
for being Pope Francis "enemies".
Vigano is a whistleblower who has had to live in hiding for years. That says everything.
Two wrongs won’t make it right. Vigano went too far.
@@thecatholicman Never!
If an animal run too far or suffers the hunter,
The hunter will equally offer it the equal "too far" bullets.
Francis went more than far, went outside the track or line intoto.
@@thecatholicman Vigano is right tho so.....
You are right. Vigano knows that the changing of format of the Sacraments was done for a reason !!! To make some totally invalid.
@@andrewangelopacheco9960 Pope Francis is the Pope, like it or not, elected through a valid Conclave.
Everyday the burden of spiritual chastisement gets heavier. The only thing of merit is prayer and penance. Cling to the sacraments while we still have them.
I agree. Let's pray instead of calling for the stripping of titles. The cancel culture (without authority in this case) has really gone too far.
Praise be Jesus Christ and thanks be to God.
I love ❤️ Archbishop Vigano. In today’s world, St John the Baptist would have been ex-communicated.
Totally💯% agree! God bless you for supporting a righteous & true Shepherd for Our Lord!
Why? Did John the Baptise say Jesus wasn't Christ?
@andrewangelopacheco9960 please follow traditional teachings of the Catholic Church. I'm not into anything that goes against what Jesus taught.
Archbishop vigano was defrocked for calling out the vatican the way st. John the baptist called out herods adulterous relationship. ( oh and i just thought of this, according to the vatican now herods Relationship can be blessed just not the union itself but the individuals within the union. Imagine hearing this from John the baptist.
He wasn’t defrocked, he was excommunicated there is a difference
@@thecatholicman that's what I meant by defrocked
@@thecatholicmangaslight
@@robertkolinsky1286don't feel stupid. He knew what you meant! It's called gaslighting. He's totally out of order, so he's blaming you instead of apologizing like he should.
We are not to judge the Archbishops actions, he brought the Truth to the world.
I could be wrong, but perhaps he just got a “conditional” consecration. I’ve got friends who have received “conditional” baptisms and marriages, in case the circumstances of their sacraments are under suspicion. So maybe that’s Vigano too?
Perhaps Vigano was accepted into a non-Roman Rite of the Catholic Church and whatever process that takes might seem to look like a "re-consecration" but my understanding in one consecration and "done" so being consecrated "again" makes no sense regarding the graces and spieitual commission of a bishop. If he thinks he is still a Roman Rite bishop reconnected into a different, what, sub-clan? No, not making sense at all.
I personally was called via my own private prayer discernment to leave the Roman Rite and join a very tiny Catholic Rite that recognizes Vatican Ii yet is very conservative and rejects all the new Francis dogmatic novelties. Perhaps both Benedict XVI and Cardinal Sarah were correct when they foretold publicly that the Catholic Church will survive all this evil modernist infiltration but it will survive as a very very small remnant, a tiny fraction of what it was. I believe that the Holy Spirit is encouraging these very small Rites to carry on the truths of the church, including Vatican II, and all of the truthful, loyal to the Magisterium Rites will make up the universal Catholic Church of the future and the Roman Rite will continue it's apostasy and join in to become a big chunk of the universal man-made global UniChurch. Just my 2 cents.
@@bradyandjodi1 Also a back up plan for what has now transpired?
@@coloradopaul4798 Interesting! What is the name of your rite?
@@marynadononeill The Name of his Rite is called the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ, outside of which there is no salvation.
Once Vigano got deeper into the Vatican issues, he came to realize that too much was illegitimate. We need a new Council as I heard a rumor there is one in the planning - we would not be at a loss to find good solid leadership. God is permitting this to happen to bring about a better good. Vigano probably knows more than he has revealed to us. Pray for more Truth to be revealed. Pax Christi!
These are very sad and trying times. All the more reason to go deeper into prayer. For mercy, for the light of Christ to illuminate the way forward, that our hearts of stone may become hearts that love.
I have nothing to say about Vigano, but trust me the true Church is now in catacombs
There are numerous people who have been ex communicated and later became Saints
Indeed. St. Joan of Arc
Name one of them who was reconsecrated ?
what does it matter I don't understand @@thecatholicman
@@nick_romeo he has not only renounced the Pope, but turned against the hierarchy and even the Pope who ordained him
@@thecatholicman Seriously cannot believe you are trying to argue that. Just gonna point out the obvious, all the rites were changed in 1968-70, and there is an argument to be made that Apostolicae Curiae (which considered Anglican orders invalid) would render the 1968 rites to be doubtful - not saying I believe that, but it is possible.
While I do not agree with everything Vigano says and does, I believe there is a reason for his defiance. You keep saying this is not the solution. As history has shown, whoever sits as head of the DDF is a very influential person in regard to the direction of the Church in the coming years. Is the solution to just sit, let Fernandez put his influence on the future of the Church and hope the next Bishop of Rome reverses it? When was the last time a significant change was reversed in the Church? I would ask you, where is your line? What must people like Francis and Fernandez do before you become defiant and say, "That is not what our Lord and the Apostles said should be done/taught"? How has the benign and docile tactics of Abp. Athanasius Schneider given Fernandez cause to pause? How has the humble and pious tactics of Abp. Strickland caused Francis to reconsider?
Throughout the history of the Church people have been called to be troublemakers in regards to the individual in the position of Bishop of Rome. Where would the Church be today if an 11th Century Italian Benedictine monk from Ravenna (who wanted nothing more than to live a quiet life of prayer and contemplation) had not felt driven to speak up about things that a blind-eye was being turned toward by his Bishop of Rome? I shutter to think. I CAN tell you, because he DID follow what he felt was his calling (I am sure there were MANY who said what he did was not the solution), it resulted in him not only being canonized a Saint but also declared a Doctor of the Church. Sometimes it takes an outlandish rabble-rouser to rise above the monotone rumblings of discontent to get people's attention.
Lastly, we must be careful not to confuse discontent with the flawed sinner that is Jorge Bergoglio with discontent with the office of the Bishop of Rome.
Learn the faith and repent
God forgive them for they know not what they are doing. Viva Christus Rex. Have mercy on us and the whole world.
BULL! They know EXACTLY what they are doing!
So now you dont think ARCH-BISHOP VIGANO is a "Bishop" but guys like James MARTIN can be called "Father"??? 😮... VIGANO went off course but Church leaders in the VATICAN have completely went off course as well my friend. I wont follow a lot of the madness coming from Rome. 🙏... We continue to pray.
He himself made that judgment, not me. He didn’t believe himself he was actually a Bishop, otherwise why seek reconsecration. As for Father James Martin, he is a heretic and a fraud.
@@thecatholicman..stop calling James Martin "Father"...he's no "Father"...
@@thecatholicman because he's not Francis. Correct? Francis should be more corrupt than James Martin.
@@SmithsnMoz he is a Father because he is a priest. He was ordained. He’s just a horrible father. My dad abandoned me as a kid; I’m still his daughter biologically. The priesthood is like biological fatherhood: it cannot be revoked.
@@Meh45567..Martin is exactly who Jesus Christ is referring to when he said "Call no man Father on the earth, for one is your father in heaven"... You can't blindly follow a man who is leading Souls to HELL . Spiritually speaking . You actually think that VIGANO is no longer a Bishop but Martin should still be called "Father"? I surely don't...
God bless Archbishop Vigano, a true and holy man of God. I will continue to support Archbishop Vigano. Bishop Wliamson is another wonderful bishop, I wish we had more like these good bishops but then the 'New Order' Church is, heading to the gates, of hell.
Learn the faith and repent
Bergoglio wants to retract Catholic teachings on the papacy for the last thousand years. Vigano's solution is more reasonable than this.
I don’t know if Vigano is right or wrong, but I do know that Pope Francis cares about what the secular world and the Anglican Church thinks of him.Outside the Catholic Church this will just seem like proof that the church has not modernised at all. The concept of the infallibility of the Pope sounds backward and archaic to the secular world. The secular and Anglican world will see this as a vain, arrogant and tyrannical Pope abusing his power by sacking a very elderly high ranking , highly respected man, who until recently has dedicated and sacrificed his whole life for the good of the church. Most normal peoples reaction in the secular would be that Viganos behaviour of loyal servant turning into troublesome critic in old age, is obviously a sign of ageing, that he is a man who is no longer thinking clearly due to age, and who should be treated with care, love and compassion, considering his life long service to the Church. Not someone who should be excommunited, publicly humiliated, and possibly booted out of his home. If the church is so weak it can’t absorb criticism from someone’s Viganos age without punishing them, then it makes them look really bad. The outside world will not accept that Vigano can harm the Church. They will say, either the man, Vigano is right, or he has dementia, and people should be able to decide for themselves, without the Church playing Big Brother.
Without Vigano the sins of the dark vatican would not be revealed. He is a hero and what he has said is everything Our Lady has said in her approved locutions snd apparitions. As for the reconsecration...who knows, he is not a prelate who acts on impulse...he is a man of great prayer. We must pray for him...He has never had time to dive deep into what was happening until he was not actively doing his duties. All will be revealed When we meet our creator. He has sacrificed his vocation for Truth.
Watch Stephen Gardners interview with Mike McCormick...Bidens Stenographer( out today)Truth coming out there too....
We are surrounded by darkness. Maybe he needed to teveal his insight before the upcoming synod.
Does he know what the 3rd secret of Fatima? Maybe.
All will be revealed, so if I were you I would repent and learn the faith, maybe do some research and read actual documents that will tell you the truth and not be listening to false prophets on UA-cam
Arch Bishop Vigano believes in God and puts God first before any man!
He’s a schismatic bishop who rejects the ecumenical council of obedience. Once you remove yourself from the office of St Peter, you remove yourself from Christ’s Body.
He is causing division in the the body of Christ. Excommunication is appropriate
I am shocked at what you are saying. Arch Bishop Vigano has a point the children to day that are receiving Baptism is not the true rite no salt on the tongue
That is heresy what you are saying. Please study what is the form and matter of a valid baptism. !
@thecatholicman unfortunately they won't read the studies from the Catholic Church, they only go by the new false Church and it's teachings.
Look at the old rite
I am glad you made it safely home, Robert.
I hope your arm injury recovers fast.
I have spoken to my former Abbot in Scotland. As an ex Benedictine I am using my contacts in Aberdeen, Econe and Rome to help me discern my own thoughts regarding Archbishop Vigano's excommunication.
One thing I do know, Archbishop Vigano IS an Archbishop. He has been consecrated using the episcopal rite of consecration published by Pope Pius XII. It doesn't matter what Archbishop Vigano believes: he IS an Archbishop. ANYONE CONSECRATED AN ARCHBISHOP UNDER THE RITE OF PIUS XII IS VALIDLY CONSECRATED.
You are wrong Robert: if you were to ask Archbishop Vigano AT THIS MOMENT if he believes he has received valid episcopal consecration, he would say YES. He has not rejected the grace of the Episcopate. Conditional re consecration doesn't undo an existing valid consecration.
The Bull of excommunication doesn't refer to him as an ex Archbishop.
He is an Archbishop and he is excommunicated. The Holy Office correctly refer to him as an excommunicated Archbishop.
When a Lay Person is Baptized, it places a mark on their soul which can never be erased. Ditto for episcopal consecration.
Along with my two Sisters, I was brought up attending the SSPX from day one. By the time my older Sister was born, my parents rejected the NO and went with the TLM.
My younger Sister was confirmed by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1989 when he was on one of his regular visits.
Note, this was a year AFTER he had been excommunicated. We still called him Archbishop Lefebvre NOT Monsieur Lefebvre. He was consecrated Archbishop of Dakar in the rite of Pius XII. This left an indelible Mark on his Soul. It wasn't erased when JPII excommunicated him.
Similarly, Archbishop Vigano has such a permanent marker of consecration on his Soul.
When I, along with some members of my family were excommunicated for attending the 1988 Econe SSPX episcopal consecrations, we appealed. A man by the name of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, rescinded our excommunication.
I didn't have to be re baptized or re confirmed !!!!!!!!!
If Archbishop Vigano is ever reconciled with the Holy See and his excommunication rescinded, he will not have to undergo Baptism, Holy Orders etc.
Interesting! Clarity is charity.
And Fr. James Martin is and always will be in good standing.
Blasphemous artwork continues to be randomly displayed.
Maybe the excommunication is warranted, but, the Church is crazy.
Those wrongs don’t justify what Vigano did
@@thecatholicman Those multiply repeated wrongs show where the Vatican stands; they show what the Vatican is standing for. 🌈
@@thecatholicmanI suggest that you have mercy on a man fearing that his whole ministry was invalid. He might be mistaken, but we should certainly understand his fears. Meditate on the Body of Christ. He's a part of that Body, too! He deserves his title until a valid authority takes it away.
I’ve no doubt the next Pope will have a word with Fr Martin’s provincial or the Father General
@@Nicole-uq2uland it was taken away
Can't disagree. Vigano's sollution is not the correct one, but I and the rest of Catholic Faithful await a solution that deals substantively with the corruption that afflicts the Church. The passive acquiescence of the remaining good bishops and Cardinals cannot be excused.
There will always be scandal in the church, always.
Stop fighting Christ and his Church.
Unless you’ve actual proof to produce of his reconsecration rather than conjecture, it’s calumny to say that he was.
Vigano knows a thing or 2 about calumny
@@MikeyJMJ quite!
So 260 popes teachings were negated by the last 6?
Does Vat II prepare souls for persecution? "And you shall be my Witnesses in Judea, Samaria and to the ends of the earth..."
Francis rejects traditional titles.
So there were no disciples made in the catholic church up until V2?
Where is the proof about Vigano and the alleged consecration .... ? My understanding is that Fr. Chazal made an off the cuff comment about Abp Vigano doing "something about his consecration" ...How do we know that is even accurate ?
Even if it's accurate, it would have to be investigated to find out the reasons for the doubtful initial consecration or even a problem in his ordination. If the reason is sufficient, there's no problem. The conditional ordination/consecration would be a good thing.
Archbishop Vigano is a Holy spiritual man, not a renegade 🙏
Robert you are arguing against yourself. If you dont refet to Vugano as Archbishop youre making Viganis own argument.. that he was never an Archbishop.. if it is a valid consecration of Archbishop Vigano it dtands whethet Vugano believes it or not.. and you chosing to stop referring to him as Archbishop confirms Viganos stance
So we're supposed to stand with the Pope that rejects the title "Vicar of Christ" and reject the bishop that card enough, late in life at the very least looked into the validity of the sacraments to ensure he really was validly a bishop.
"Cuando Pedro vino a Antioquía, yo me enfrenté a él cara a cara y le reprendí. Pues antes de que viniesen algunos de parte de Santiago, él comía con los paganos; pero cuando vinieron, se retrajo y se apartó por miedo a los judíos"
- San Pablo en Gálatas 2,11-12
El arzobispo Carlo Maria Viganò está actuando similar a San Pablo, no igual, sino similar. La diferencia es que hoy se ha dado el cara a cara, ni se dará, entre ambos obispos, Vigano y Bergoglio.
And The Truth will set us free!!! To those who have eye see!!! To those who have ears here!!! PRAY PRAY PRAY!!! Our Lady Queen of Peace pray for us!!! God bless you my friend!!!❤JMJ+
The human institution of the Church is proceeding to entombment.
As Christ traveled the
Via Dolorosa on His way to Golgotha, the Human institution known as the Roman Catholic church.Will go through the same scourging.
All this is occurring under the permissive will of God.
In the end, we will see the triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart.
Be at peace. Stay in a state of grace wesr your scapular.And pray the rosary daily.
I ask you to please pray for the healing of the wound between Ireland and England. And please pray for the sainthood of beloved Margaret Pole.
Straining at gnats Robert?
What an abominable way for a church to behave, which preaches tolerance, forgiveness, and loving our enemies. Punishing an elderly gentleman who has dedicated his whole life to the Church, just because he’s recently started to disagree with the pope, is inflexible, intolerant and barbaric. Decent human beings don’t behave like this. A Pope should be able to rise above criticism.
Do some research on vigano and then you will understand, and repent and pray for our pope
If à priest doesn't believe his Sacrament is not valid, isn't it still so? Many Catholics don't believe in the true presence...that doesn't make Christ not present. Vigano can err, but he has still been Archbishop, Robert
Our Church is in crisis! However, Jesus is the Boss! Pray hope and don't worry!
There is a profound question as to whether post-Vatican II ordinations are valid; so too with the Novus Ordo. We just cannot be sure, but surely the quickening pace of atrocities out of the Vatican make the questions ever more burning and complicated.
I’ve credibly heard his re-consecration was never a thing - didn’t happen, just rumor.
Well it’s very easy for him to deny the report which has been in Catholic media for a while.
What does the Bible say about spreading gossip about someone? @@thecatholicman
@@thecatholicman That's not adequate proof for me. At best it's alleged or reported (with citations).
@@mbslick6416Do you say the same thing to Taylor Marshall when his whole channel is built on gossip?
@@MikeyJMJ I can't stand Taylor Marshall! He still has a protestant attitude!
Sorry, I am usually in agreement with your views, on the whole, but I support Archbisop Vigano wholeheartedly on this, he is BRAVE and honest. Pope Francis and "his" Cardinals have done and are continue to do shamefull things, unbecoming of his/their office.
So you support a church with no Pope and invalid hierarchy and consecrations?
@@user-hn8pc7mg8f agree these delusional popespplainers are losing all ground and logic. But I believe it's due to the fact that if they would look at the situation for how it truly is their faith would be too shaken. They have to be able to understand this doesn't mean the gates of hell have prevailed.
I agree with you
@@thecatholicman It would be temporary and could be sorted. This argument has probably lost its clout. We await Vigano's next move and further revelations.
@@thecatholicmanGaslight answer.
I have just read the Italian version of the Bull of excommunication.
Three reasons are adduced for the Archbishop's excommunication.
None of them refer to re consecration or conditional re consecration by Bishop Williamson.
I don't understand Robert why you are so strongly focused on the reconsecration issue. It isn't one of the three reasons cited by the Holy Office which led to His Excellency being excommunicated.
It is more urgent for me not being too familiar with His Excellency, to gain a detailed understanding of what led to the Holy Office adducing the three reasons they did for the excommunication.
Try to see the cause of things.
This is what is rooted in Francis and he love it too much.
Francis has sowed the seed of division and disunity.
Vigano is never excommunicated or a schismatic. All are false.
Vigano took the bull by the horn.
If excommunication, it should start with Francis and all the German bishops and all the bad eggs and demons in cassock.
A thousand of those in cassock are afraid. Many good bishops never believe in what is coming out from Rome and they're just silent.
Vigano is NEVER excommunicated.
It's a lie, the bishops you mentioned might be in great support in secret.
The situation at the moment seem extremely tricky and risky.
Only sincere prayer and penance is Our last resort.
Anyone who sees vigano as excommunicated is never a Catholic. He/She must have been caught in the net of these demons in cassock.
Ave Maria!
«Francis has sowed the seed of division and disunity» that's it. Never leave the boat of Peter!! But: if Peter does no more consider himself the Vicar of Christ??? If he doesn't rule as the Rock? And the flock Is scattered? Lord Jesus, have mercy on us!!!!
@@robertabragatto1288-- Achbp Vigano has continued to stand up for the truth & speak up for the truth the entire time that Bergoglio has been actively destroying the Church. He is our true Shepherd & Hero. He wasn't afraid to oppose & expose the infiltrators in the Vatican! God bless & protect Achbp Vigano!
Bishop Vigano is now valid. He was validly Ordained ( prior to 1989) but now a valid Bishop like most other cancelled priests and bishops. ⚜️
@@robertabragatto1288--That's when we gladly listen to & accept the guidance of a true Shepard, Achbp Vigano! ❤
@@norahsheehan5088 I pointed out Peter (well..."Francis") and the mess he started. Sure Viganò's ordination in itself is valid ..but: if he doesn't recognize anymore JPII as a fully valid pope? If he's been "reconsacrated" by Williamson?? If he's been actually excomunicated by Tucho??? (Ok, I see...this doesn't look serious....and surely it isn't: an excommunication must come from the Congregation 🙄 I mean "Dicastery" of the doctrine of the Faith) 😞😞😞
The time for Ireland to return to Orthodoxy is coming
Amen!
Thanks so much for showing the way that Vigano got lost along the way. He needs prayer. The light on this has cleared all my confusion.
I agree with the possession part. There are so many falling away :( so sad . We have to pray for our présidas and religious
What are we supposed to do when the anti Christ seats in St. Peter's Chair? What if no bishop denounces him? But if one denounces him, shall we disregard his voice? And if the anti Christ calls him to Rome to face excomunion, shall we lower our heads in submission?
"Better for us to obey God rather than any human authority!" (Saint Peter in Acts 5,29)
"When later Cephas [Peter] came to Antioch, I CONFRONTED HIM SINCE HE DESERVED TO BE BLAMED. Before some of James' people arrived, he used to eat with non-Jewish people. But when they arrived, he withdrew and did not mingle anymore with them, for fear of the Jewish group." (St. Paul in Galatians 2,11-12)
He has denounced the church not just the pope.
@@thecatholicman Benedict XVI, when he was Josef Ratzinger, said in 1969 in a radio broadcast in Germany:
"The future of the Church, once again as always, will be reshaped by saints, by men, that is, whose minds probe deeper than the slogans of the day, who see more than others see, because their lives embrace a wider reality (...) the Church will find her essence afresh and with full conviction in that which was always at her center: faith in the triune God, in Jesus Christ, the Son of God made man, in the presence of the Spirit until the end of the world. In faith and prayer she will again recognize the sacraments as the worship of God and not as a subject for liturgical scholarship."
That time is now. The leaders of the Church today have allowed Her to lose her essence. The saints Benedict XVI mentions that will reshape the Church are not, unfortunately, in the Vatican.
The Answer is Also Our Lady Appearing in Medjugorje🌹,and Her 5 Stones for each of us to Beat the Goliath in our lives,God Has Granted this Time of Grace,also Praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet at 3pm🙏🌍🙏🕊️Each day,YES the Synod is NONSENSE 🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
If every Bishop acted like Archbishop Vigano then there would finally be unity and they could clean up this mess !!
"We can fall off one side or the other side" - wise words. We need to be careful not to split ourselves off from the church, on EITHER side. Left or Right. Progressive or Traditionalist.
God bless you Mr. Nugent, you are the wisest, and most common sense person that I follow. Keep the faith. Again, God bless you.
Didn’t know that. Wow 😮 keep praying 🙏
He may know something we do don't.
Bishop Williamson is awesome. You'd have no confusion if he was preaching Christ from St. Peters.
The argument that Archbishop Viganò was reconsecrated seems to be not solid.
The fact that he has not denied the rumors does not prove their validity.
Thank you for clearing the confusion on Vigano. I would love to hear what you think of Mgr.Roux of France he is also pré-VC2 and performs the TLM, but his words sound very legit too. ( his channel is on UA-cam )
I saw you at the ordination today!I saw someone with what appeared to be Free Masonary tattoos I don't know it I'm over reacting but should I have told someone?
How is he ex archbishop?
Anyone, but especially a priest or bishop, who unmasked the pure evil going on in the church would become so angry that he or she would risk becoming unbalanced. Vigano may have PTSD. There are many who appear very angry and confused about the process that began in the 1960s, calling it satanic and denying the validity of the subsequent popes.
How can you pray when you are angry? How can you grow in faith when you are dragging other people down with your anger? How does that help the uncatechized and the victims of abuse ?
I think the clear teaching of Strickland ,Schneider, Zen and Mueller is the only way to respond.
I pray for Vigano to find peace.
I agree with you that we should Give them GOD!
I stayed for some months at the seminary in winona mn sspx (thomas Aquinas) - it was a very positive experience for me, and at the time, i marveled at the obvious intelligence and self discipline of Bishop Williamson and i spoke to him many times during my stay. My heart broke and keeps breaking when i hear news of bishop Williamson and the stances he has taken after, say 1996-ish. If vigano was convinced by Williamson that his consecration was invalid, that makes me sad. More and more we need to back away and say Jesus i trust in you.. i wish i could say something more insightful or profound but there just isnt anything besides sit on yiur helmet and pray
The extreme divisions are coming from the extreme fringes. You can critique, seek understanding, and PRAY. You do not draw huge lines in the sand and condemn Vatican II and every Pope after that Council. You are right . Vigano is not the solution.
@@lisaparker1607 fiducia supplicans was what ticked the final flame in vigano off . I don't suggest judging him. No one saying he is the solution but those in charge in the vatican have brought the problem in the first place.
Why attack his character? You can disagree with ARCHBISHOP Vigano all you want but you attacking his character says everything about YOU in this situation. Saying he’s possessed by demons? 🤣 There are legit demonic forces at work in the Vatican right now and Vigano isn’t it! It’s taken courage to do what’s he’s doing and never waiver an inch - good for him! Vigano raises valid concerns about the Pope. Period! I stand with Archbishop Vigano 💯 God bless him.
Archbishop Vigano isn’t asking for ostrich feathers he’s asking for the liturgy to be corrected! The pope has excommunicated himself with patchimama pledging his allegiance to Canadian Indians and their false gods! Novis ordo ceremony is the wrong mass for the church!
Why are you excommunication yourself from the true Catholic Church.
Will the Real Catholic Church please stand up? ("To Tell The Truth" TV show)
@andrewangelopacheco9960 your words and preaching is very modern. I don't follow modern/Luke warm teachings. You go against the true traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
Thank you for your insight. The Synod is more than infuriating. It feeds no one with the spirit of Christ.
PRAY PRAY PRAY FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THE POPE CARDINALS BISHOPS PREISTS AND THE FAITHFUL 🙏🕊️🙏❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Is Vigano’s “reconsecration” by Williamson in evidence?
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excommunicated from the sons of satan... count me in...
I suggest you meditate on the mystical body of Christ
Mike, count me in too! 😂🤣
PS. And yes, I meditate on the Mystical Body of Christ every day -- just saying 👍🙏✝️
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@@mikepoulin3020 agree excommunicated by a vatican that allows all kinds of abuses and scandals but that just can't handle being called a fraud.
I honestly believe a major persecution against Faithful Catholics is coming led by the So called leadership of the Catholic Church in Rome! 🙏... God Help Us!
I don't have a full understanding of this issue, in part, because I separate myself from the intrigue, because I don't think it is healthy for me. But I think there is a lot of wisdom in what you are saying here. We can object to the trajectory of the Catholic Church without throwing the baby out with the bath water. And I think contemplating why we are really here, the Union with God, is the most important thing we should be doing as Catholics.
If a dark cloud is over head how do you expect to see the light
This is devastating news imo. I cheered VIGANO on for a long time. I’ll keep praying for him to repent and return to Mother Church. Thank you for sharing this sad news 😰🙏
Your opinion is zero.
Really? Why?
Thx. Wow. Consecration by JP2. Exactly. What happens is the scandals got to him. Unable to forgive his superiors for their patience with sinners. Pied piper trying to separate others by invalidating his own ordination....oi. Not the first to jump ship.
Love your clarity
9:44 I don't think it is fair to say that Vigano 'never believed he was an Archbishop'. I think he did believe and that he believed in John Paul II also, but he (and the church) has been pushed to such an extreme by the present occupier of the seat of Peter that he has lost faith in the events that led to this situation, including the second Vatican Council.
And that is the problem.
Great one liner, religion is “not an intellectual exercise. “ we need to encounter God. We need to love one another. We need to love Jesus Christ.
Theology is an intellectual exercise and it's arm in arm with religion which is the encounter with God. You can have an encounter with God when you realize the truth in reason applied to Revelation. Anti-intellectual false oppositions are popular nowadays though.
Totally agree with you Robert
Please pray for the UK now that Labour have taken over.
Agree 98% (2% = Pride, not demonic possession).
I remember a few years before Summorum Pontificum a few priests I knew saying "the Latin Mass is not going to come back." So, I'll keep my hopes up that the Sedia Gestatoria will be brought out of the mothballs and the nonsense stop.
Have you read the Vatican report on McCarrick re: Vigano?
Yes
So I’m wondering why it seems to be acceptable for Vigano to accuse the pope of the very thing he failed to address?
Who is your source regarding Archbishop Vigano's re-Consecration? Is it reliable? Does Archbishop Vigano know of this accusation so that he can respond? 🙏
💡I think he has seen the light now!
You can see just by reading the comments how divided the church is, too sad. Take heart Robert, the Lord is close.
It’s very sad, the church seems to be turned into a political scoring game.
Like many, I have deeply mixed feelings about this. What I do know is from the Gospel of Matthew. We’ve been warned that a house divided cannot stand.
well said. He is not the answer. There were injustices in the church at the time of Martin Luther. Schism is not the answer. God help us ❤🙏!
Thomas Cajetan was in charge of the Martin Luther case. He wrote, "If someone for a reasonable motive, holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delict of schism nor any other whatsoever, ….provided he be ready accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion.” -Cardinal Thomas Cajetan, OP. Commentary on the Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas: entry 186 on “schism”
I agree with you on Vigano , for a while I felt he had gone off the rails, I also feel the same about Fr Altman, I used to be a fan of his , but I feel he is too much now in his anger , it doesn't seem normal
The succesors of st. peter has the power to bind and unbind not the other way round. We laity do not have that authority either
Does this mean he will go to hell if he doesn't repent?
Most likely. Unless he has a genuine mental illness and God could show him mercy in his final breath
I know that ex-Bp. Williamson is a sedevacantist, so I’m gravely concerned about Abp. Viganò. However, I have questions about this reported reconsecration for which I haven’t yet found answers, so I’m reserving discernment until I get those answers.
I've never heard anything from Bishop Williamson (and he is a real, valid bishop) that approaches sedevacantism. Williamson has publicly stated that he would not establish any kind of "new" version of the SSPX because he doesn't have jurisdiction and that resides in Rome. He stated publicly that "If Francis calls me up and tells me establish a new SSPX that will work to undo everything he's trying to do, then I'll be on the next plane to Rome. But I don't expect him to ask that of me."
Just seeing your video now Robert and I'm sad at your lack of charity 😢
Bravo Pope Vigano
So by that logic, Francis doesn't believe he is the Vicar of Christ.
if he has been excommunicated, is he still a member of the catholic church?
Correct, he hasn’t been laicised or defrocked
person who has been excommunicated - unless excommunicated for apostasy, heresy or schism - is still considered a Catholic and still has all the duties of that relationship, including attending Mass. They are, however, to refrain from receiving the Eucharist.
??? So he is out of the communion with church. If he die unrepentant it means hell😢
If its true that he had himself reconsecrated , that is a grave sin that could well of opened himself up to denomic influence, as it means he disbelieved in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist
I’m praying for you 🙏
It didn’t start 2018‼️ It started in 2014 when a false pope was selected. God knows the truth and Bergoglio is the false prophet (or one of them) the Bible talks about.
1. He is false because he is a prophet who promotes Satan, not God (Revelation 13:11).
2. He promotes the worship of Antichrist (Revelation 13:12) “He exercises all the authority of the first beast on his behalf and compels the earth and those who live on it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.” (Revelation 13:12, HCSB)
3. He develops a ministry of religious deception (Revelation 13:13)
4. He deceives people to follow Antichrist (Revelation 13:14)“He deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that he is permitted to perform on behalf of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image of the beast who had the sword wound and yet lived.” (Revelation 13:14, HCSB)
5. He promotes a false gospel of economic salvation and security (Revelation 13:17-18).
Bergoglio is the “False Prophet” because he manipulates, persecutes and controls people.
Maybe he's right.
You know who else the Church thought went too far? Joan of Arc.
The truth will out.
Did Joan of Arc say the Pope of the time was not the Pope?
@@thecatholicman Im sure you are aware that the legal validity of the 2013 conclave is far from certain
@@lukewilliams448 why hasn’t a single cardinal voiced an objection??
@@thecatholicman Maybe because they don't want to get the Pell treatment - Pell had to write under a pseudonym to even criticise the pontificate for goodness sake man!
There have been Pope problems in the history of the Church.
There have been schisms and so on, and very bumpy moments in the past.
JP2 was worse than Francis bro- ecumenism???
Weak men create bad times, bad times create good men.
Once Archbishop Vigano started writing letters to Trump I knew he was done. I agree the man is lost. Yes there are problems in the Church etc but if we are just talking Vigano then yes Robert I agree. We need more people like you just honest common sense. I actually think Vigano has so much hate in his heart so how is that of God. I so wish people would wake up