Italy's WW2-Era Biplanes, Part 1 | The 'Peacetime' Fiat Cr.1 & Cr.20 [Aircraft Overview #79]
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- Today we're beginning a multi-video series where we take a look at the legendary biplane fighters developed by Fiat. These would come to symbolise the pinnacle of biplane design in the interwar period, and later models would even see extensive service in WW2. But today we take a look at the beginning with the Fiat Cr.1 and the Cr.20.
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Sources:
Thompson.J.W (1963) Italian Civil & Military Aircraft 1930-1945.
NACA Aircraft Circular No.43. FIAT CR20 Pursuit airplane
Fiat Cr.20 Service Manual.
Fiat Cr.20bis Service Manual.
Jackson.R (2002), The Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft. - Наука та технологія
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Sadly I did not get the other video finished in time, so you'll have to survive on just this one until I return after the 27th.
F.A.Q Section
Q: Do you take aircraft requests?
A: I have a list of aircraft I plan to cover, but feel free to add to it with suggestions:)
Q: Why do you use imperial measurements for some videos, and metric for others?
A: I do this based on country of manufacture. Imperial measurements for Britain and the U.S, metric for the rest of the world, but I include text in my videos that convert it for both.
Q: Will you include video footage in your videos, or just photos?
A: Video footage is very expensive to licence, if I can find footage in the public domain I will try to use it, but a lot of it is hoarded by licencing studies (British Pathe, Periscope films etc). In the future I may be able to afford clips :)
Q: Why do you sometimes feature images/screenshots from flight simulators?
A: Sometimes there are not a lot of photos available for certain aircraft, so I substitute this with digital images that are as accurate as possible.
Think you will talk about the battle of blair mountain? Where civilian and military planes were used?
From Wikipedia: By August 29 battle was fully joined. Chafin's men, though outnumbered, had the advantage of higher positions and better weaponry. Private planes were hired to drop homemade bombs on the miners. A combination of poison gas and explosive bombs left over from World War I were dropped in several locations near the towns of Jeffery, Sharples and Blair. At least one did not explode and was recovered by the miners; it was used months later to great effect as evidence for the defense during treason and murder trials. On orders from General Billy Mitchell, Army bombers from Maryland were also used for aerial surveillance. One Martin bomber crashed on its return flight, killing the three crew members.[1][2]
Thank you love the channel!
Could you please cover Vietnam war recon planes.
IAR Romanian fighter, quite interesting and not that known plane.
Russian I planes, the biplane and the monoplane.
The large Russian TB bomber.
Love to see more interwar prototypes and designs too.
Thank you for your good work.
Italy needs some love and myths busted. You should do a video on the M.C.202 and the Fiat G.50. The MC 202 had a higher K/D ratio in Africa than the 109 and the G.50 had the highest K/D in the Finnish wars.
Fantastic video, high quality, incredible research but "alta quota" means high altitude not high output. Keep up the great work, love your vids.
seeing Rex talking briefly about my country and the Chaco War makes me so happy since I've barely seen any other channel even mention it, never on english or by a foreigner, I can't wait for you to cover the Chaco War in the future!
There was an article in the magazine Warship International about the Chaco War maybe 10 years ago? So, at least I knew what Rex was talking about. Actually I think the subject of the article was the Paraguayan Navy and I looked at a map and realized at once there was something very strange as Paraguay does not today have a seacoast.
@@steventoby3768 idk exactly what you mean but probably is the Humaita-class gunboats which were used to ferry soldiers and supplies as well as air defense for other boats in the rivers. We were landlocked during the war but we mantained a descent navy
Italy had amazing bibplanes, only rivaled by the Czech Avia B-534 which saw service until the end of the war. Fun fact, in WW2 Italian radios were so bad the pilots would replace them with sandbags.
Aw man, I have been dying for another video about interwar Italian planes, especially to CR.20. Keep up the amazing work Rex!
I have always like the Fiat CR-32.
I appreciate you breaking these into smaller length videos. Some of us just don't have time to sit through marathon presentations and end up watching them in chunks anyways.
Rex, thank you for the great job, as always.
As a native italian speaker I can assure you that "A.Q", or "Alta Quota" means "high altitude" or "high ceiling" 😅. Eventually, the Italian air force standardized the Aircraft engine naming, so "FIAT A80 R.C. 41" would mean FIAT A80 Riduttore (geared) Compresore (supercharger) enabling full manifold pressure up to 4100m (41 x 100 meters)... Cheers!
Truly a most beautiful time in the history of the Airplane, The Savoia-Marchetti seaplanes are just a revelation in simplicity and the Italian lust for Art in Design..
Given that my RP group may be recently about to play a Pulp Cthulhu adventure set during the Chaco war, you making a video on the air part of that war has certainly piqued my interest.
Something about the CR42 that is both brutal but classic at the same time.
The fabulous Fiats!
Looking forward to the video on the business between Paraguay and Bolivia.
i can't wait for when we get to the G.55 arc :)
I am familiar with the CR 32 and 42 from the old IL-2 game. Nice to learn something about their predecessors!
Love those interwar biplanes! Prewar Italian aircraft are either intentionally beautiful or so weird they have a rustic charm.
Chaco war? Never even heard of it. Once again digging up surprises.
i've been taught this at school since 4th grade and basically we fought with Bolivia for control over a dry area we had in dispute between us, both landlocked and both wanting expansion into the Paraguayan River
blah blah we won haha i have paraguayan bias(i really want to see a perspective from both sides please)
Great video, just a note, the leaflet says 1000 frames a minute not a second 👍
Thanks for doing it as a series, it's always easier to find a time for a short video :)
Great clip as usual, very informative.
Did anyone else get a shudder when the electrical system was mentioned..?
And here i am, doing a research work on inter-war and ww2 italian aviation. How convenient
Very nice, great video about the fairly forgotten italian biplanes preceding the mainstream cr32 and 42. Btw alta quota stands for high altitude in italian
Thank you for moving to a longer format with less adverts. Loved you on Drach's channel. I do hope someday your video's will make it to a half an hour in length. Love your work. Thank you for putting out great content.
Looking forward to your video on the use of airpower in the Chaco War.
The odd-looking biplane at 1:33 is an English model, the Parnall Panther. It was designed by my grandfather. It has the dubious distinction of being the first - or one of the first - carrier aircraft used by the Imperial Japanese Navy ....
This is a fascinating era of Italian design. The Germanic design schools of the Vienna Secession and Bauhaus get the press coverage but Italian modernism seems to have had more success integrating technology and design. Good looking and technologically advanced designs from airplanes to consumer products.
Check out the airplane related hangars designed by P. L. Nervi.
The Chaco War was also the first large engagement in which the submachine gun was employed widely.
A rainy English Saturday in November . . . & thanks to Rex . . . a strange & sudden urge to watch 'Porco Rosso' again! : )
Great coverage...love these early FIATs. Thanks Rex
Just got done with your f4f feature on Drachs channel. Glad to get more airplane ear candy haha 👍
Great work Sir thank you
Brilliant. . Looking forward viewing the next chapter, Fiat made elegant aircraft. . Being Italian. . 👍🇮🇹😁
Thanks for another great video. Nice to see the fine Italian planes from the interwar period. When it comes to Italian aircraft from this period, it is often the more gawky "exotic" aircraft that are the focus. (A small correction: The “Fotomitragliatrice” Photo machine gun in the CR 20 shoots “1000 photogrammi al minuto” 500-1000 frame per -minute, and not seconds, but still it is a lot of pictures, a standard roll of 30 m. is more than 1500 pictures (in 35mm format). The frame rate is the same as in silent movies).
I read that Bob Hoover flew the CR 42 and found it a true joy to fly.
Thanks for making the video at a length that is close to my attention span. Long videos require a commitment that I don't always have time for.
Although it's not in the same weightclass as the monplane inlines, I'll bet those Italian biplanes were awesome to fly.
Life is all about choices. A few lung fulls of iffy chemical, or plummeting to earth in a trail of flaming hydrocarbons.
Even if I knew the implications of the fire suppressant, I'd still choose the chemical.
At 11.00 : 1000 frames a minute ... not a seconde " 1000 fotogrammi al minuto "
Yep.
the picture of Cr 42 looks glamorous
Great to see the Italian aircraft covered. Would also love to see the Schnieder Cup aircraft covered in the future. Some of the most beautiful and sexy aircraft built, especially the Italian entries. Thanks for a wonderful vid, Rex.
I’m really impresses by your work!
Thanks Rex. Your timing couldn't be better.
I was just watching a vid about The Gloster Gladiator and The Cr32 came up. Then I saw your upload for this mini series immediately after.
Have a great break. Looking forward to your next vid.
Nicely done. Keep up the good work
We start to see the measure of the man, it's impressive! What a good job!! Very happy with what I have discovered in this too short episode! Thank you very much!
It would've been interesting to see combat with the Cr.42 vs the F3F
Good video, I look forward to the next!
Well done. Can't wait for Pt.2
I always look forward to your videos, Rex!
Very interesting, I like the presentation style of your vids, definitely one of the best aircraft channels on YT
Excellent as usual. Looking forward to the continuation...
Very interesting, would also enjoy more on the progression of engines throughout this time. I have not been able to find much of what you are discussing!
Please don't hesitate to make longer videos if you can. I'm sure your audience is much like me and will gladly watch extended presentations. It works well for Drachinifel and Greg's Airplanes. Well, maybe not Drach's six hour marathons, lol.
The 6 hour ones are great to sleep to. I normally just put the drydock playlist on shuffle and wake up a few days later
I am looking forward to the future installments. Your work is terrific and I enjoy every video. Thank you for your fine work. Roger
Thanks Rex, yeah I'll wait to hear about Fiat CR42 as the last Biplane victory. Maybe you can clear up what P-38s of the 14th Fighter Group went down or got in hits? Seems like they were flying them bipes in every country during WWII.
Great job on Drach on the wonderful Wildcat.!!!!! Love the channel and I am happy to subscribe. 🥰
The CR42 Falco would rock you thats for sure
Thank you.
Thanks for another interesting video.
Another excellent aviation history lesson.👍👍
Subscribed ! Thanks.
Brilliant 👍
What I really like most about this aircraft is the front of the engine behind the propeller. That is so cool looking 👍🏻
An interesting report about largely unknown aircraft. Thanks.
16:02 - the main problem with carbon tetrachloride as a fire suppressor isn't the compound itself. When subjected to high temperatures in the presence of oxygen it produces phosgene which is highly toxic and was used as a poison gas in WW1. Even at concentrations too low for a person to be able to detect it can cause pulmonary oedema which, unless treated immediately, can kill them several hours after they have been exposed.
Thanks!
I always found it fascinating that instead of just trying to figure out some structural way to support guns on other parts of the body, they just engineered guns to fire in timing with the movement of the propellers. You would think the other way would have been easier, LOL
I had never heard of the Chaco War. I can't wait for your video on the air war.
Great job... ❤️❤️❤️❤️Tq
Carbon tetrachloride was widely used in fire extinguishers and as a cleaning agent until the 1980s, because its toxicity was not obvious. It was phased out of production because of it's ozone-depleting potential.
If we are free to apply hindsight to the chemical hazards pilots were exposed to, I'd rate the chronic exposure to the lead in high-octane fuels as a higher health risk than the brief exposure to carbon tetrachloride in the unlikely case of an engine fire.
Thanks
As always, another very enjoyable video !
Ever amazed at what designers proposed to put pilots through -- lethal fire suppression systems, for instance...!!😅
@Rex's Hangar >>> 👍👍
All in you time good man
Hi Rex! Great video as always! Thank you! Just one thing: AQ, alta quota, means high ceiling, not high output.
Comming to you after your drach visit? Glad to see you doing well
Another great video, thank you! Please take care that A.Q. is correctly pronounced but the meaning is high altitude not power. Also the camera was rated for 1000 frames per minute,not seconds. Anyway thanks for the Italian content =]
Loved it! Just a small note: the acronym SIAI is pronounced as a single word which sounds like “see eye”. No Italian aviation enthusiast will pronounce it spelling the single letters.
Luar Biasa, semoga sukses selalu untuk anda
Excellent video, as always, but it seems the closed captions stop functioning at about 13:58.
Looking forward to the next one!
I would watch your giant 2 hour video!
I want to build a Sopwith Camel simulator. I can’t believe anyone actually flew that.
"Alta Quota" in the CR.20AQ means "High altitude", not " High output"
Rex this is Vintage Pristine content!
Hi Rex. I watched your video. My grandfather was an Italian aviator WWI to WWII. He flew the Fiat CR20 AQ which you say you do not have much info on. I have many pics.
Hey, do you plan to cover the Macchi. C.20x series? Especially the C.205 Veltro.
Beautiful airplane!
@@jayg1438 yeah sadly I can't find much infos on them
I would have liked the two hour video.
Carbon tet, ie CCl4, when exposed to high temperatures actually produces phosgene gas, well known for its use in trench warfare. It was superseded as an aircraft fire extinguishant by bromochlorodifluoromethane (BCF) which is slightly less lethal but still unwise to use on really hot fires, such as those involving magnesium.
I remember making phosgene by this method when killing wasp nests in the 60's. You got here first!
Bold of you to assume I wouldn’t watch a giant, 2 hour video.
Hi, i really enjoy your videos but in this one you made a fault. At 11 min you explain that the gun camera was able to do up to 1000 pictures a second and came with 13 meters of film. In the Document you show while explaining that, tells that the camera is in fact capable of up to 1000 (500-1000) pictures, but in a minute instead of a second and it came with 25-30 meters of film.
Thanks for bringing all these beautifull planes to our screens.
Always happy you note where pictures are not available or sone other such caveats.
And THANK YOU for not taking the Drachinefal path of 2, 3 or 5 hour videos. I’d much rather see and have time for a series of 10-20 min video. Honestly, I just skip watching a giant video I may have every intention of going back someday but rarely do so. Stick to the shorter videos I think your channel will be much better off.
Great video, little nitpick though: I think at 10:55 you actually meant 1000 frames a minute, as the picture caption says. 1000 frames a second on a 30m length of film would not probably last the length of a single burst.
love u
Possible topic suggestion... On the Wikipedia home page, in the 'Did You Know', was the Supermarine Stanraer, with a note. Did you know it had the nickname 'Whistling Shithouse"? That begs for explanation!
12:30 - you overlooked the fact that when subjected to extreme heat in the presence of oxygen, carbon tetrachloride produces carbonyl chloride, AKA phosgene
Which plane's engine sound is at the outro? It sounds very good
_An elegant weapon for a more civilized time._ 🧐
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10:19 alta quota actually stands for high altitude
Thank you, good work as usually, looking forward to next videos 👍
Alta Quota=>>High Ceiling.
As some other stated.
I had a FIAT in Europe...would trust that company to make a flying machine....Fix It Again Tony!
Happily for pilots Fiat's aircraft electronics must have been more reliable than that featured in their cars; Fix It Again Tony 😀