They don't realize that studios losing a lot of money on stories barely anyone wants to pay for isn't the same thing as censorship. It's one thing, then the total opposite, whichever is more convenient to them in the moment with these people.
It's been said a thousand times, but, "if they didn't have their double standard, these people wouldn't have any standard at all". And with that i mean both Disney and the people that whine about this now. You can put this stuff in any 18+ content for all i care (and go broke), but any content aimed at kids always was, is and always will be a no go for this ideology garbage.
it's hilarious that the alphabet movements love to censor everyone else. well that's how selective censorship works. wait long enough and it'll always come back to get you. anyone who argues for censorship is begging to get censored. only 3rd worlders and single digit intellects argue for censorship.
There are reports that Riley was supposed to have a lesbian romance in Inside Out 2, but was removed last minute Funny how principles change depending on what sells
Also funny how they establish that she was dating a boy, and even gave that boy a whole Short where he connected with Riley's dad, only to get rid of him in the sequel for no reason other than to open a possible lesbian route, only to then remove it to stop possible backlash.
All that short taught me was these people really live on how the rest of society perceive them at a very trivial level and that is not healthy. Every Disney movie that showcases that kind of thing always ends with the character overcoming that and being comfortable in their own skin regardless of what other people think but that wouldn't be the ending trans activists want would it?
I noticed a few years ago that the original Toy Story works as a pretty strong allegory: >Buzz is a toy but "identifies as" a space ranger >All the other toys affirm this, despite knowing he's a toy >Only one guy (Woody) actually tells him the truth >He later sees the tv ad and reality hits too hard to ignore >Jumps off the stairs >Rips the sticker off his arm (if you've seen post-surgery photos, you know) >Ends up accepting that he is a toy, doesn't mean he's worthless >Then in the sequel, "Tell me I wasn't this deluded"
@@Tredenix That is pretty good, you can refine it further though. Keep in mind *all Buzz Lightyears* come from *stores* which have *tons of literal clones echoing* to *themselves* in a *chamber* where they're *isolated from the world.* "You're a space ranger because you're a ranger and that's that." He ends up leaving that chamber, the "other toys" don't really know how to react and Woody ends up being a very grounded person whom doesn't play quite like that. The real healing began when Woody refused to play pretend. Real friends are there when you're not well, jerkoffs support you "no matter what" and most normals have no pathway to develop from that; treating it like a belief or religion rather then realizing what must be done for healing to happen, and just like in cults and thought-controlling belief structures the similarities should be noted. *Find yourself friends that'll follow you to "Cid's house" and help you get home after, that's what real friends do.*
'That wouldn't be the ending trans activists want would it' precisely, it's not about being comfortable with yourself, it's about forcing everyone else to pretend you're something you're not *or else*.
i heard people say stuff like "are we not allowed to be represented in media?", which baffled me because Disney had that streak of "first" LGBT characters in disney.
Crying about representation when they have an entire month each year to celebrate (in addition to other months and weeks and days) is the most disingenuous garbage I've seen. Not to mention that LGBT is pushed into nearly every TV show and movie now.
And what did it ultimately get them? At the end of the day, a business has to business. There will be places for these stories and characters, but you can't shoehorn them into anything.
That scene clearly represents a mental illness. One created by confusing man with masculine or woman with feminine. To the point where somehow what you feel is so attached to how you look in your mind that it's "as if your face fell of in pieces". Tragic. The worst part is they CREATE that confusion in people's minds.
And it's not even clear that it will actually go away. This could be one of those situations where they say, "Hey, we removed THIS very brazen content from the show" but still leave a lot of other subversive elements in.
Having first world problem is a good thing lmao, that means you live in a wealthy country and aren't in danger of dying. The fact is, even if people lived in a perfect utopia, people would still have problems because your reference frame changes, and the perfection becomes the mundane baseline. I'd rather people have problems about this shit than having to worry about starving to death.
Let's not pretend like anything has changed. The same people with the same beliefs are making this stuff; just now they will be less brazen. It's good to get this out of kid's movies, but I highly doubt this is going to be an actual removal of this content. They will just put the same messaging in there more covertly, which will enrage both sides of the aisle
yeah they're not going to change their minds lol, PRIDE will see to that. (ohhh they're pride lol.) they're just going to get more tricksy and false, as gollum would say.
i personally dont see an issue with this being in it as long as its handled with the necessary care and dilligence because obviously kids are impressionable.
From what I understand, Disney have started to "let go" of the problematic employees (read extreme left activists) starting this summer, so it's not the same people anymore. Yes, they have projects that will still come out with the content people don't want, 'cuz said projects have been done before Disney decided they lost too much money. But we should see less and less problematic content from now.
@prehistoryenthusiast There is no such thing as "care and dligence" when it comes to subversion. We have a fundamental problem when people even want to brainwash others with this.
@@Kuroyuru As did the kid in the clip, they show her going to play baseball or whatever. But she also deals with some issues. It’s not all one or the other.
@@theworld6710😂😂 ya no kid is focusing on that. If you have that mental disorder when your in high school and when you turn 18 and decided to mutilate your body, all power to you. You’re an adult and it’s your life and live it how you see fit. No one can tell you how you really feel except yourself. But again there is no kid below the age 15 that is thinking about that.
@@theworld6710 back in the days, people had social skills and parents did their job, being a tomboy or an effeminate guy was just temporary, you didn't have to chemically castrate yourself. You know you could be a boy that liked the sims and butterflies, or be a girl that liked fighting games and played football ( soccer for us people ), my first girlfriend was a tomboy and people didn't think about gender because your identity wasn't imporant, your character is... ffs identity is like narcissism concentrated, you can't decide it yourself, you don't decide your identity you are born with it, and it slowly shapes towards your interrests that are mostly inherent and the knowledge you acquire and the choices you make, and people see it through your actions, you don't get to decide how people refer to you, it has never been the case and never will be.
Good for you. I agree this stuff doesnt belong in a kids cartoon but yes, some kids think about more than power rangers. Many kinds have all kinds of mental illnesses and more.
Crazy how first world countries are strugling with bathrooms and gender shit, meanwhile me In my 3rd wrld country I don't even now If I'm gonna be able to make a christmas dinner this year...
Is more about religious zealots taking over a company to push their own ideas. At some point this was thought to be the standard and they piled up on that i guess, otherwise i dont understand ideology taking over profit seeking.
You know there's a famous quote in AITA when it comes to kids and that is something like: so you expect KIDS to make way and adjust to YOU, an adult person just because you don't feel comfortable?
@@jakemathews552 Am I The Asshole. For example: Am I the Asshole for wanting a kids movie to cater to me and my mental illness, instead of being a movie for kids.
Seeing Jaguar recently throw it's hat into the woke ring makes me believe that Disney still has a few more embarrassments to go before it decides to get serious.
Look if it got to this point there is no going back, you think the activists will leave? That the people there will simply decide to make good content again? They've been swallowed whole.
Well, from what I've heard Disney started to fire the activists around this summer, so yeah, there still will be a couple more embarrassments because they're products that were done before the problematic people were fired, but then, it should return to normal.
@@chassegallerie2910 Maybe, but they allowed it to go on for more than a decade. They will not back down they will trim the fat and be more lean with how they instill the content into their projects.
0:35 only passes to friends 0:49 get's insta combat alert from a kid 0:59 loses control of the voice minor mental breakdown 1:04 goes Picasso mode major mental breakdown 1:12 bravely fleeing the scene 1:18 complete mental breakdown just from talking to his dad 1:32 coach offers basic camaraderie -Based?-
With a lot of this stuff in Disney, it'd feel too forced and rushed in the story. The series/ movie isn't about this character. Having this be just a segment wouldn't do it justice or actually help kids just confuse them and possibly terrify them. The story actually looks well told but again, it's forced into another project that doesn't need it just for extra quick brownie points. This could easily be it's own short film and not just a throw away segment.
What is this idea even about? It's frustrating when people don't recognize that this could be a mental health issue that needs proper treatment and support. Why do people create media portraying this as a mental illness but then refuse to acknowledge or describe it as one? Bunch of hypocrites.
Exactly this. Now the annoying bunch of the anti-woke and the generally level headed people, are making out to be so much more than it is. The main thing I always say when this kinda stuff happens is 'why are you hurting your movement'. I feel for trans people, gender dysphoria makes no sense to someone who hasn't experienced it, but so many people go through many types of dysphoria These people aren't all unwell, but a great many are, perhaps even the majority. People who got coerced or whatever else as young adults, teens, etc. And their frustrations never were treated with the care they deserve. It's just plain sad.
It's just narcissism. A man cannot know what it feels like to be a woman, so saying he 'knows' he is a woman is just arrogant and delusional. If he said he just WANTED to live as a woman (like they always used to say), then it would not be delusional, just weird.
@@unlikeu9017No offense, but isn't that the same as asking for animations to be without some layer of depth? I understand the concern about this specific topic, but animations can be helpful in ask for help in real life for something like bad parents, bullying and other things
The top executives from Disney don't care if billions are lost... heck they don't even care if Disney went bankrupt and turned to ashes because all of them have golden parachute retirement packages. This means even if Disney went bankrupt into nothingness all of them would still have multiple millions for them and their relatives to live as kings for decades.
The entire concept animation was indeed very well done. But to me it showed a young person with mental problems, as if the person was a house without any fasteners; all the parts are there but none form a cohesive structure. It's not "go woke go broke". It's "stop trying to homogenize all thinking by turning nuanced topics into a right vs wrong issue where you clearly push which side you're on". I want entertainment from these companies. I don't want companies to share their subjective, hypocritical viewpoints.
@LoveKasumin1253 Impossible, it's not like when a lot of people scream awful things at people on the internet those people start to internalize those thoughts...
They have a fiduciary obligation to care about what the shareholders want. They forgot that a decade ago. Edit: Let me rephrase. Not what the shareholders “want” per se, but rather the interests of the shareholders. The best interest of the shareholders is not losing money.
No, they kept that obligation since at the time they were still making money AND getting ESG so they had two major revenues. It was only when their main revenue finally took such a beating that the extra income from ESG wasn't worth it Everything they have done thus far was for money, the smart move back then was to take the money and rely on their brand power. But like everything related to public companies all their plans are short term and almost always causes them to lose alot of money that forces them to lol jump to the next bandwagon
All kids feel uncomfortable about their growing body at some point, so I really object to suggesting at a young age that this could be the reason. It's fine if it is, but they should figure it out themselves and with loved ones, not be guided there by corporations.
Mark my words: 20-30 years later americans will look back at "gender affirming care" with the same bewilderment they now look back at lobotomy. And you know what's funny? The rest of the world recognized it as a wild shit right from the start. Both lobotomy in 20th century and trans stuff in 21st century only became widespread in the West, rest of the world never adopted these "treatments".
Remember that feeling when you first found out that lobotomy was considered an absolutely normal threatment and was massively prescribed in the western countries in the previous century? People of the next century will get to experience the same feeling.
I find it interesting that one of the twitter comments asked "When do we get to tell our story?" and I thought, just because Disney has decided to pull this from a KIDS movie, doesn't stop you from telling YOUR story to whoever you want. Disney isn't here to cater to your feelings, they are a publicly traded company that must make money or they will be no more.
It's worrying to me with how much people think Disney is supposed to be their ally. Disney is a corporation. It's all business. If you are not giving them money, they don't care about you.
You can't even comprehend how wrong you are. If you were even remotely correct, Disney would have turned course the moment their projects started being negatively received. Disney is not a for-profit corporation. It is a funded weapon of cultural warfare. If you don't understand who is wielding it and who it is meant to destroy, then you are lost.
I think it's a mix of people genuinely wanting to share these stories and Disney selectively choosing these stories purely for the financial gain it could bring and not the message the creator wants to send
It's worrying to see Asmongold and his community also decide they shouldn't be allies either. Showing everyone that this millionaire is as souless as the rest.
Disney has been perfectly happy with losing money for the sake of pushing the message for several years now. I don’t know how long they can keep that up, but money isn’t everything to them.
To be fair I'd be completely fine wearing a skirt or seeing a man wearing a skirt. Although the catch is, it would be still a man in a skirt, not a woman.
Where I work, dress code requires pants, but skirts are fine. Shorts are not allowed though. So when it's really hot, women get to air out their legs with skirts while men have to wear stuffy pants. A guy asked about this during a conference and was told that it's fair because "men are welcome to wear skirts too", but obviously most men aren't going to just start wearing skirts. Sucks for us.
More like ATHF, where Meatwad has no brain and is floating in the ocean. Except that is the worlds *elite and brightest* constantly saying "Do what now?" We're not Frylock either, we're *Master Shake* arriving late as usual without any help. *Watching.* Meatwad: "Do what now?" Frylock: "Pop the balloon with the glass!" M: "Yeah, alright... Do what now?" F: "Pop-... Pop it with the glass. The glass in your head." M: "I know, don't yell at me! ...Do what now?" Shake: "What's going on, what are you doing?" F: "D&mn it, he needs his brain, otherwise he is just gonna float around forever saying Do What Now..." M: *"Do what now?"*
How so? It’s not even promoting transitioning, it’s moreso commenting on the struggles of dysphoria and showing that important conversation with those you care about is a good route to take. There’s nothing “insane” here, it’s actually quite reasonable.
What are you saying. The animation is amazing and accurate. The discussion is just about "should it be in a disney movie", nothing's wrong about the animation unless you're transphobic
It looks artistic because it has shapes, but why does a company need to make bathroom scenes with kids. Its kinda creepy that hollywood loves to make this type of material regardless of trans stuff. Also why indoctrinate little kids into your beliefs, if what you are doing is fine people will think its okay. If you have to trick kids into thinking something is good, maybe its not actually good.
Why is it always the bathrooms? Why do they insist so hard on being allowed into the ladies' room? I don't use the mens' room because it's some sort of gender-affirming experience that cements me as a man. I could enter the ladies' room, take a dump, wash my hands and leave without a problem. The only reason I don't do it is because I don't want to make the women in there uncomfortable. If using the mens' room make people less uncomfortable then just use the mens' room. It's creepy.
Pretty sure the bathroom scene is the less subtle way of getting the point across. I don't know why, maybe because kids nowadays are more dumb and ignorant and can't relate to any character and their issues in media unless it's LITERALLY THEM, i'd like to think it's more about script writers and directors being illiterate which makes it impossibe to have characters whose issues are not one dimensional. I don't know about gender/ethnicity issues, but i'm pretty sure people in real world have more going for them than that.
"if you have to trick kids into thinking something is good" this is way to black and white ngl, look im not im favor of shitty writing and dei sheit but i highly doubt kids are being "tricked to believe its good" kids do not stand still and think oh is he a boy or girl or how should i call him/her all they see is a possible playmate 🤷 its really not that deep same as possible racist holiday traditions kids dont care about it, adults do, kids just want the presents
…Does this really not seem like it depicts a clearly mentally unwell person having a mental breakdown? 🤨 Like, what the character is experiencing is clearly not a good thing. I think its a little concerning that, rather than getting someone like this help, some would really rather reinforce this kind of instability.
It's so odd to me that in any other circumstance if someone is having delusions that make them want to mutilate themselves, they'd be put in a mental hospital and given antipsychotics. But suddenly, if the delusion is that their body was born the wrong gender, and the part of themselves they want to mutilate is their genitals, then suddenly it's okay and should be accepted?
The worst of all is that they encourage them to start living in a lie or an illusion and perhaps then undergo procedures that may be irreversible just to try to improve that illusion of which they expect us all to be participants. Just because they don't want to accept that if there is a problem, it is in their mind and not in their body.
The worst part of all is that they only reinforce and convince you that you should start living a lie or an illusion because it is supposedly the only way to alleviate the "problem" When, thinking about it, won't that only cause even bigger problems later?
Disney did kind of care about DEI in the sense that it got them a LOT of free money from ESG loans to pay off their debts from Igor being a dumb. But now those ESG loans are drying up, Disney still is in debt and still has to pay off those loans, and they need money NOW, so they'll go back to not being activist. They tried to influence politics and it blew up in their face, so it is only a matter of time to see what becomes of this.
Donald Trump and his minions are the richest people in the world and have helped destroy society to an insane degree. The conspiracy you scream at queers or brown people is exactly what the elites wanted you to do in the first place.
By this logic, I'm sure you don't have a problem with the bald women from the intergalactic trailer? You'll play as any character because you don't care about feeling "seen"? Something tells me you like being seen in media, and dislike it when others get their chance at being seen instead... Human are inherently programmed to want to fit in with a group and be recognized, this isn't some cast of having no father figure etc, its just an inherent flaw of humans. You don't notice it because you're a dude, and media has historically been inclusive towards guys.
It's worse than that. They're taking kids going through puberty which is a weird thing to go through and convincing them that their natural feelings are actually proof that they're "trans" and the solution to those natural feelings is self mutilation and once a kid has made up their mind and gone down that path it's kind of hard for them to back out because they've convinced themselves that it's who they are. This is 100% why youth suicides are increasing. They're taking confused kids and telling them to fucking cut their bodies up in order to feel normal, when in reality that will make them never feel normal ever again. The post operation suicide rates are clear on this as well. These monsters have blood on their hands.
People above, let's not pretend that you do not understand what OP meant. Misspelling, yes, but that's just it. It's obvious that OP meant "story" and made a small mistake
Asmon was right, good visuals, creative stuff,BUT, you had it around a kid, that's GOING to make parents feel gross and not like the cause. If you don't draw a line in the sand, it's going to confuse people about where it goes.
Also those visuals of someone falling to pieces like that may have freaked some kids out. The visuals look like something that would have been geared to older audience with the more surreal look to it. Also most kids may have not even understand the point of it, making the point of this comforting to them pointless.
Bro. I’m tired of people saying this shouldn’t be for “kids” and instead for an older audience. This is not for ANYONE but other psycho ass weirdos who “think” they’re something they’re INDEED NOT. Anyone who thinks this shit is okay AT ALL not just in kids shit is absolutely disgusting.
Not just parents. That should be a giant red flag to any thinking human being that isn't a deviant. Children and their private issues are for them and their families to take loving care of. Not money chasing corporations, not brain defunct activists or procedure following, dead inside public servants.
I think the narrative and the symbolism was great for the animation, portraying the gender dysphoria and social anxiety BUT gender politics and sexual identity has no place in kid's movies.
Idk. I would have no issue showing this to my 6 year old. It's not like there's penises being thrown around or anything. Kids this age ask the most bizarre questions so she's already aware there are "girls who feel like boys" when it came up.
An interesting art piece for sure, but it doesn't need to go beyond this level of animation. Niche issues do not need to be addressed in the mainstream.
this is one of the creepiest scenes ive seen storyboarded. why are they trying to portray the grown man as a victim to what would be an understandably confused little girl? god help us seriously
It's not a grown man, they're both students just one is taller. I think the story is actually interesting, just maybe not suited for 6 year olds. It'd be a fine story for 13yo+ just make it pg13.
Tbf the trans isn't supposed to be a victim and the little girl isn't supposed to be a villain. She has a understandable reaction and the tran had an identity crisis over it.
That isn't a grown man, what? That's a child not knowing whether to use the mens or womens room and then having a panic attack when a younger child shows up because what people accuse trans people of. This is the same type of panic a man will get when a child is lost and needs help but they're a man and society assumes a man trying to help a child is just a rapist. The man knows he's not, and only wants to help, but the "super ego" that is always conscious of what other people might think is screaming at him that others can 100% see him as the bad guy if he's the slightest bit unlucky in trying to help the child.
@@davidsantiago7808 Even at that age, treating this gender stuff as settled is wrong because it’s only pushing kids to change and not accept themselves. The whole discussion by these people is pushed in one direction: you aren’t what your body says you are.
@@davidsantiago7808 I like the visuals but I don't think it would be a fine story for people that age at all. Mostly because there are no people that age. People that age suffer a different kind of dysphoria and it's always young girls being uncomfortable with puberty. Nowadays they're trying to reframe it as them being transformers, but it's a lie. Now they're trying to push that lie to infect more of them. It's evil.
@laineyboylan5292 why would 8 year olds need to see a scene sexual identity and orientation? Just let them have fun and leave the weird politics out of it man. It's just conditioning children
Nope. You have not been paying attention mate. Sorry. There's no nice way to say that but it is what it is. These companies are losing money left right and center and yet across the board it's still being pushed. Money to these billionaires doesn't mean *that much*. Control means a lot. Manipulating an entire generation into being weak mentally ill fools is very lucrative for them.
@ i’ve been paying plenty of attention to what’s going on. Disney is a publicly traded company they have already had numerous fights with their shareholders and their own customer base because of these bad decisions. This is them in damage control. If you were paying attention you’d know why Disney axed 80% of their streaming projects. Stalled snow white and reworked it as best as they can and now continues to cut back where they can while they can. Right now Disney’s only making money on the parks everything else so far these last few years has lost money and fire is burning faster
I don’t think so, they are a company with like 60 year old executives they don’t care about social norms or morals they just care what can earn them more money, case in point pride month…
There is literally nothing that could possibly bring me back to Disney. Not even complete erasure of the last ten years of Disney output, which will of course never happen, because it would be an admission of their failure.
@@mattyboyanderson You're right that it will never happen. Isn't it funny that they'll put trigger warnings on Aladdin, but they'll die on the hill of the Lightyear lesbian kiss. Sensitivity to the feelings of some subset of the audience only ever seems to go in one direction.
Being edgy isn't cool, you're just bullying someone for experiencing a mental health issue. Would you say "Imagine having PTSD at 3" to a child in an abuse household?
This! I literally can't understand the point of the storyboard - a transkid (boy who thinks he's a girl) has a panic attack when visiting a girls bathroom? WHY in nine hells couldn't he visit the men's room?! WHAT does that change in his life???? Why are trannies so fixed on toilets......
@@demetter7936Because she seemed off somehow. It’s a lizard brain thing and happens also with sociopaths for example. And the fact she shaved her head with an upside down razor 😂 Loved playing as Aloy in both games for example. And Saga in AW2 and the chick in Control. Just like Geralt, Kratos or Alan as well.
@@demetter7936Ignoring the fact OP may not even know or care about that game, the Dev’s obsession with representation is the _exact_ reason why the character is hated. Your “counter” doesn’t even make sense.
In their minds they exaggerate it as some big step backwards for society, so obviously they want to talk about it like it’s the worst news in the world.
@@mkohanek No, you're missing the bigger picture: this was a redirection tactic. They are showing you what they believe to be the worst of the worst so that people can say, "Oh, it's safe now because they cut this bad content out".
@@emikochan13kiss is why my kids didn't see it. Parents pay more and more often that weird Disney adults. Sorry. Parents are voting with their wallets.
@@victorHhugo-uh9mq While i understand you i do agree with the op the whole video is like "look at the poor trans person don´t you feel bad?". Like, Disney doesn´t care but the people that made the animation do, but Disney will allow it or pull the plug depending of their interests. I almost can guarantee that whoever was responsible for that segment was fuming because it was canned.
How did this even become a story though? Like stuff gets changed behind the scenes and stuff cut or added all the time in every show, yet somehow the raw animation is out there and news stories are written? How? Why? Angry Disney employees ratting to the media?
I wouldnt be surprised. I personally dont think its bad, in fact i think this is quite an artistic idea of visualization on this topic. But i agree with Asmon about the direction it went and the interaction of the character with a child. It probably wouldnt have sat well with the audience. There is a movie called "I saw the TV glow" and its in my opinion a phenomenal piece of art that discusses the reality of trans-people. Its a Fantasy-Horror-Movie that works a lot with our childhood perception of shows like "Goosebumps" and "Are you afraid of the dark".
@@bomber9912it would probably pop off at some indy film festival. But this should not even be a topic in a big blockbuster movie targeted at kids. But seriously this is the most and best artistic representation ive ever seen for trans people. And as opposed to the garbage they have pushed in video games like dragon age, this honestly is so artistic and artsy that the message being sent makes me feel a bit empathetic vs angry and annoyed. This does not come off as made by a narcissist trying to portray themselves in the media format but rather a proper story being told of the hardships of someone with real body dysmorphia(i believe many “trans” people are faking just for attention and to be treated special)
This was part of a series, so who's to say they wouldn't eventually have an episode about the poor sad man in the white panel van who can't get kids to come take his free candy and pet his new puppy?
We used to have good animations like - Snow White - Beauty and the Beast - Princess and the Frog - Pinocchio Etc... now we get slop that shouldn't be in the minds of kids
Governments should stop focusing so much on censoring internet "to protect children" and focus more on supervising content that's specifically made for children to consume.
The fact we have a ton of comments from people who are "identifying" with this is actually the scariest thing about all of this. The next generation is purely and 100% doomed with no chance of recourse.
dead ass I saw a middle aged man in a dress doing the very same thing a few years back before shamefully walking into the men's restroom where he belonged.
@@qckluthey clearly do because if someone thought it was normal then they wouldn't gave hangups about what bathroom to go in. They are confused because it's specifically not normal
Like I love the context and the artistic vision to represent gender dysphoria. But I feel like this would do much better as it's own plot in a young adult animation series rather than something VERY CLEARLY marketed towards like 15 under. Tbh I don't care much for the political struggle behind gender and identity, but it should not be something children overtly see or are forced to observe as they are impressionable. These concepts are better tackled once they mature into young adults, they have a fuller sense of self and are better able to understand abstract concepts and disengage with something ideologically. It's a well recorded fact in child development that 15+ is when they begin to engage with abstract thought and rationalization. So we should keep media that has these kinds topics relegated to that more mature audience.
Thats exactly what i said, this would probably be super well received at like an indy film festival. Its so well presented as to what a real trans person with body dysmorphia would experience. But to try and push this in a big blockbuster film aimed at kids is very concerning.
Another “woe is me” pity story that aims to try and peer pressure people into feeling bad. Nevermind the fact that this was a creepy story of a dude in a female bathroom interacting with a kid.
What's kinda funny is that the deleted scene's implications are actually kind of based: kids see through BS. The kid saw through the BS of the person using the wrong bathroom. Hilarious.
well, the real BS is that we live in a country with gendered public bathrooms. so many countrys have just had restrooms, no men, no women, just places to unload your spent energy.
Exactly. Kids are unfiltered and unadulterated, uninfluenced by all the "grown up" politics and ideology BS. So they perfectly see through all that crap without having been indoctrinated prior.
How dare parents want to discuss certain topics with THEIR children if they even discuss it at all, when they feel is right for them and theirs and not when Pixar deems it the appropriate time and place
Looks like the representation of serious trauma, the fractured self in deep confusion and inner conflict. All of which is barely an understandable theme for fully grown adults let alone kids.
Wdym? Grown adults don't just magically live happily or forget their past, a lot more people go through traumas in their life most just never talk about it Kids might not understand but they can empathize with distress
True but I think this is mostly because what is represented is not what will be interpreted. Like you, I think this wouldn't be a bad thing to show a kid to get them to understand trauma, but this is supposed to represent being trans. By using that context, it basically says that they are emotionally and mentally fragile that helping a poor helpless kid causes them severe issues. Kids are not nice, especially when they are between the ages of 5 to 10 (or maybe it's just that my family has gremlins until they are 12). This basically tells them that they are more mature because they have no issues going into the correct bathroom (they just don't do it because the opposite gender is full of cooties and they think the other bathroom is a magical place of wonders).
It's a representation of mental illness, not trauma. Trauma is surviving a war, or getting hurt in a car accident, not being mind-addled into cross dressing and LARPing.
@@chisaki703 The problem is that adults largely dismiss/ignore it, or belittle anyone who mentions it. Ask them something like "Why didn't you do X when you clearly wanted to do X and instead did Y?" most of the time you'll get a snarky, hostile reply like "None of your business you idiot!" meanwhile they'll trauma dump left and right, have mental breakdowns, cry their eyes out about "How sorry they are" for all the "wrong they've done" then the next morning forget all about it, cope, call you whatever names makes them feel better at the moment and dismiss you. Because after awhile, adults stop caring, they just flat out, stop caring. And we, as kids, never figured this out until later. Once a person hits 30+ years old, they stop caring, their intelligence drains, they hit a point where "it is what it is" becomes the only line they can repeat because it's the only thing keeping them from eating a bullet. It's all a cope, always has been.
The sad thing is that the animation is actually a great short video about someone who is clearly not mentally sound, but you can't tell them that or advocate for any kind of mental health treatment because 'affirming them' is the only PC solution these days. Its kinda messed up in its own way.
except the part where the guy gets reaffirmed that it's all okay, instead of taken to a therapist to fix himself, sure. or did you not pay attention to the whole thing?
@nobody8717 I mean telling a schizo they are actually friends with little green men instead of finding some way to treat them is messed up in the same way. Yet the "best" we can do is tell these people they actually are born in the wrong body, and then they have to live through this nightmare. Even the animation managed to capture it, the well meaning friend dragged them into the women's bathroom and that "affirmation" did not help them at all.
@@nobody8717 The guy at the end just pulled the person out of a panic attack, they didn't magically fix the mental illness the person has. Like saying someone with depression is cured because you made them laugh or smile. It amazes me how many people don't know what a panic attack is. Couldn't see a mental illness even if it came up and chopped their balls off.
trans people do see therapists, they just never are enough for you, no matter how long they are talking to a psychologist even if for multiple years, it just isnt enough for you unless they are forced to pretend they arent trans, dont lie and act like you actually care about mental health, you just want everyone to be "normal" like you
If I don't understand how or why this stopped being a mental health issue in the first place, and became something that has to be celebrated with its own flag and with pride?
@@mogaming163 Honestly it wouldn't make for a bad short, just don't have it aimed towards children. And maybe alter some parts of it, like the bathroom scene with the kid, I would just have the kid be a bit older.
Uhm, can you say with full confidence that no adult person had a panic attack with a kid staring at you? Like, if I go on reddit stories would i not find thatvsituation
I think the main issue people have with it is that it's forced, it's not a natural story where someone happens to be trans now and then, it's every movie someone is, every game, everything. If the story is good, no one will care if the character is trans or gay or bi or a woman VS a man. It's all the forced bad stories that ruined it, bad stories made with no real thought about the story, only the "inclusiveness".
"Look at this poor dude getting anxious talking to a little gal in a RR alone, feel bad for them!" I wonder why that would never pass (pun intended) well for a majority of people. Almost like it's as creepy as that netflix movie but since it's painted in a victim narrative it's supposed to be young friendly. Yeah no.
I hear people say this a lot, that "Company only cares about money, they'll do whatever if they think it'll be profitable". That's true in theory, but it ignores the deeper truth that companies are composed of individual people, who each have their own ideas and biases. And when companies get taken over by activists in leadership/decision-making positions, those activists only care about advancing their ideology regardless of the corporate consequences. That's why we see these companies put out bewildering garbage that obviously flops or harms the company, yet they double/triple down. It's because the activists don't care, and they are so ingrained into the leadership structure that it's very challenging to remove them once they're embedded.
not only that, but it is a fact that companies only do this for loans and to get more money. someone in the comments said it best, they have to make that money back somehow.
Sexuality is supposed to be a taboo subject to broach with other peoples kids, unless you have the express permission of their parents, like sex education. Even if you have permission, that doesnt mean you are allowed to teach anything related to sex you want, but its supposed to be very limited, and with the full knowledge of parents. I think the people that break that taboo should probably go to prison for abuse of a minor. I dont think grooming is something we should be lenient on, and this means i think many teachers should be in prison, or at the very least have lost their jobs.
hey so can you elaborate on that? im confused what you mean by 'sexuality' and why it apparently needs to come with jail time for discussing it in a school environment, its phrased very vaguely.
@prehistoryenthusiast sexuality is inherently sexual in some way theres no reason to discuss it with kids who dont yet or shouldnt yet know their birds and bees, and even then it should be up to the discretion of the parent when they are bird and bees level
@@king_vasuki2692 Because how you teach your children about sex and sexuality is an incredibly personal and private thing that is influenced by so many things including culture and past trauma. It is stupid and dangerous to leave that sort of subject to strangers and people pushing agendas. There is also a terrible history of trying to normalize sexualizing children and Hollywood is one of the most prolific offenders in that regard.
Why did ya'll start to pretend to give a shit about kids in the last 5 years anyway? Is it just the youtube channels you're watching that got it into your head, or is there something else?
@@theworld6710 OP was talking about having kids in ANY messages about trans or trans issues. But sure, ignore what the problem is and play pretend is better I suppose.
I think most of the parents have a decent point, it’s a very confusing thing for anyone in that position to go through and having to explain that to a kid like it isn’t confusing just makes things worse, honestly the animation is really good just not the right audience
I do like the scene, and the rough state of it (no dialogue, sketchy figures, only music) actually adds a lot to it. You tell everything that would be said just on the actions alone. That said, you'd be insane to put that in a children's movie.
There’s corrupted minds within the studios themselves which have always been pushing for this stuff. Everyone blames the management but a lot of concepts and ideas literally do start at the lowest levels of collaboration.. and those ideas are pitched. I work in the gaming industry and see it all the time.
I am not sure if it is because I am autistic, but I just can't wrap my mind around the whole "I need to be seen" mentality. It is a lot nicer to just chill under the radar and live life without demanding attention.
The way they've tried to portray it with the face and confusions is a marvelous approach even for a design tbh. But yeah, having such an act in kids' movies will definitely get their stocks to freefall. Plus, it seems awkward, too.
They can fire anyone involved, and most people and parents don't want this kinda stuff. Making parents the enemy was the worst decision they could have made because guess what.? They have control(mostly) of what they want their kids to watch. Shocker.
then why do we always hear "think about the kids" and stuff like that for adult content that is labeled for only adults? weird (yeah actually it doesnt make sense and we all know its bulshit excuses for censorship they simply dont like and hate)
Bathroom and shorts sports, and M to F all in one skit. It's like they are trying to touch on every issue. A much better story would be for a F to M having a hard time with not being able to make it on sports a team, being really short, and being lonely, then finding acceptance and friendship among other male outsiders, and ultimately realizing she doesn't need to conform to an identity.
@@blackjackjester isn't that LITERALLY a plot of some old movie? Pretty sure that weird movie about the Kung Fu Football has the exact same plot, without the trans stuff
Ngl the rough animation was really good even tho I don't really like any of this BS in kids show I gotta hand it to the animators they got good vission for animation.
That's also the issue there is a need for an adult platform in western animation like in Japan, lets be real The Olw House and many other recent creations , they are not for kids and are directed by kid adults with Traumas that they have this need to share with younger audience
Asmongold quickly became one of the most popular channels this year. glad people are waking up & just watching a normal person. I've been watching him everyday for like a couple years. it's a nice dose of sanity & relatability in this crazy weird world.
Disney's opinions on trans representation is as subtle as a brick to face, Awhile back there was similar story, a fully completed episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur was shelved then leaked, it also had a trans character play a big part in the plot.
Those don't count, they weren't targeted at kids. Its not hard to see that its not about the stories getting told, its about who they want the stories told to.
@@stevecole90099Yes. Kids should understand the real world. Learning about France doesn't make kids French. Do you think they're providing video diagrams?
I find it disingenuous at best when they say "This would've helped children....." ... What children? Children don't think that they must be somebody else unless abused (speaking from experience!), children want to play, have their parents' attention, and they need education, NOT INDOCTRINATION.
You mean the corporations never gave a damn to begin with?!
I am shocked
baffled even
Nobody could have seen this coming
you ain't fat, you ain't NOTHING, YOU AIN'T NOTHING!
I disagree I do think they care but they can only push this when they are making money. Which is no longer viable.
@@mikeyman1974 sorry if I sound rude what if I a corporate for a copy of God of Israel 4? Is there nothing we can do? ;/
Censorship? But theyre the ones who always say that a private company is allowed to make whatever decisions they want
why if I What if I make decisions
@@arkantos057 HEY NO SHIPS WITHIN THE YOU. edges are not FAIR!
They don't realize that studios losing a lot of money on stories barely anyone wants to pay for isn't the same thing as censorship. It's one thing, then the total opposite, whichever is more convenient to them in the moment with these people.
It's been said a thousand times, but, "if they didn't have their double standard, these people wouldn't have any standard at all". And with that i mean both Disney and the people that whine about this now. You can put this stuff in any 18+ content for all i care (and go broke), but any content aimed at kids always was, is and always will be a no go for this ideology garbage.
it's hilarious that the alphabet movements love to censor everyone else. well that's how selective censorship works. wait long enough and it'll always come back to get you. anyone who argues for censorship is begging to get censored. only 3rd worlders and single digit intellects argue for censorship.
There are reports that Riley was supposed to have a lesbian romance in Inside Out 2, but was removed last minute
Funny how principles change depending on what sells
I’m glad they removed that tbh, and I’m glad that Disney is changing and is going back to the kid friendly route
Thank God
An actual W for Disney, the movie would’ve never been as popular if they did when it’s legit about emotions 💀
Good, she already cannonically is into boys so to do that would be a retcon
Also funny how they establish that she was dating a boy, and even gave that boy a whole Short where he connected with Riley's dad, only to get rid of him in the sequel for no reason other than to open a possible lesbian route, only to then remove it to stop possible backlash.
All that short taught me was these people really live on how the rest of society perceive them at a very trivial level and that is not healthy. Every Disney movie that showcases that kind of thing always ends with the character overcoming that and being comfortable in their own skin regardless of what other people think but that wouldn't be the ending trans activists want would it?
Hit the nail.
Odd take away.
I noticed a few years ago that the original Toy Story works as a pretty strong allegory:
>Buzz is a toy but "identifies as" a space ranger
>All the other toys affirm this, despite knowing he's a toy
>Only one guy (Woody) actually tells him the truth
>He later sees the tv ad and reality hits too hard to ignore
>Jumps off the stairs
>Rips the sticker off his arm (if you've seen post-surgery photos, you know)
>Ends up accepting that he is a toy, doesn't mean he's worthless
>Then in the sequel, "Tell me I wasn't this deluded"
@@Tredenix That is pretty good, you can refine it further though. Keep in mind *all Buzz Lightyears* come from *stores* which have *tons of literal clones echoing* to *themselves* in a *chamber* where they're *isolated from the world.* "You're a space ranger because you're a ranger and that's that." He ends up leaving that chamber, the "other toys" don't really know how to react and Woody ends up being a very grounded person whom doesn't play quite like that.
The real healing began when Woody refused to play pretend. Real friends are there when you're not well, jerkoffs support you "no matter what" and most normals have no pathway to develop from that; treating it like a belief or religion rather then realizing what must be done for healing to happen, and just like in cults and thought-controlling belief structures the similarities should be noted.
*Find yourself friends that'll follow you to "Cid's house" and help you get home after, that's what real friends do.*
'That wouldn't be the ending trans activists want would it'
precisely, it's not about being comfortable with yourself, it's about forcing everyone else to pretend you're something you're not *or else*.
i heard people say stuff like "are we not allowed to be represented in media?", which baffled me because Disney had that streak of "first" LGBT characters in disney.
Crying about representation when they have an entire month each year to celebrate (in addition to other months and weeks and days) is the most disingenuous garbage I've seen. Not to mention that LGBT is pushed into nearly every TV show and movie now.
And what did it ultimately get them? At the end of the day, a business has to business. There will be places for these stories and characters, but you can't shoehorn them into anything.
That can be said for A LOT of people, lgtb are not the only one that can feel excluded, blind people, redhead, nerds, etc...
That scene clearly represents a mental illness. One created by confusing man with masculine or woman with feminine. To the point where somehow what you feel is so attached to how you look in your mind that it's "as if your face fell of in pieces". Tragic. The worst part is they CREATE that confusion in people's minds.
@@Gakusangi everything you mean 😂
The fact that it got to the point is crazy
yes but what is if I Can GIVE SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS
Crazy how much the general population is willing to put up with huh?
It gets tuah point...
@@SparrowRBX Do it
And it's not even clear that it will actually go away. This could be one of those situations where they say, "Hey, we removed THIS very brazen content from the show" but still leave a lot of other subversive elements in.
The fact this animation from Disney was even imagined and made its insane.
Lol
Yep, and the theme of the content shows exactly what was on their minds (viz., approaching kids in the bathroom).
I love the fact that it showed a little kid knowing better because he didn't belong in there.
Basically trying to normalize a grown man walking into a woman’s restroom and talking to little girls… like dawg wtf you cannot make this up
Not to mention it’s subpar and nonsensical. Would’ve looked like shit in final production.
-This whole thing screams first world problem and doesn't belong in a kid's series
Having first world problem is a good thing lmao, that means you live in a wealthy country and aren't in danger of dying. The fact is, even if people lived in a perfect utopia, people would still have problems because your reference frame changes, and the perfection becomes the mundane baseline. I'd rather people have problems about this shit than having to worry about starving to death.
Haha fr
Amen
First world problems isnt an excuse. If you focus too much on the US from a different country then complain about it, thats on you.
@@perfectquimica3437 anything lgbt related is a first world problem. The rest don't really care about that
Let's not pretend like anything has changed. The same people with the same beliefs are making this stuff; just now they will be less brazen. It's good to get this out of kid's movies, but I highly doubt this is going to be an actual removal of this content. They will just put the same messaging in there more covertly, which will enrage both sides of the aisle
@@griffinarcher2911 build anything you can to survive the apocalypse or else u will perish in a sea of sand and gravel painting
yeah they're not going to change their minds lol, PRIDE will see to that. (ohhh they're pride lol.) they're just going to get more tricksy and false, as gollum would say.
i personally dont see an issue with this being in it as long as its handled with the necessary care and dilligence because obviously kids are impressionable.
From what I understand, Disney have started to "let go" of the problematic employees (read extreme left activists) starting this summer, so it's not the same people anymore. Yes, they have projects that will still come out with the content people don't want, 'cuz said projects have been done before Disney decided they lost too much money. But we should see less and less problematic content from now.
@prehistoryenthusiast There is no such thing as "care and dligence" when it comes to subversion. We have a fundamental problem when people even want to brainwash others with this.
Wait... when you were a kid, you were fighting about what gender you identify with?? I was busy with power rangers and being a kid???
@@Kuroyuru As did the kid in the clip, they show her going to play baseball or whatever. But she also deals with some issues. It’s not all one or the other.
@@theworld6710😂😂 ya no kid is focusing on that. If you have that mental disorder when your in high school and when you turn 18 and decided to mutilate your body, all power to you. You’re an adult and it’s your life and live it how you see fit. No one can tell you how you really feel except yourself. But again there is no kid below the age 15 that is thinking about that.
@@theworld6710 back in the days, people had social skills and parents did their job, being a tomboy or an effeminate guy was just temporary, you didn't have to chemically castrate yourself. You know you could be a boy that liked the sims and butterflies, or be a girl that liked fighting games and played football ( soccer for us people ), my first girlfriend was a tomboy and people didn't think about gender because your identity wasn't imporant, your character is... ffs identity is like narcissism concentrated, you can't decide it yourself, you don't decide your identity you are born with it, and it slowly shapes towards your interrests that are mostly inherent and the knowledge you acquire and the choices you make, and people see it through your actions, you don't get to decide how people refer to you, it has never been the case and never will be.
Good for you. I agree this stuff doesnt belong in a kids cartoon but yes, some kids think about more than power rangers. Many kinds have all kinds of mental illnesses and more.
"You can't do that, you are a " is a big part of a childhood.
Crazy how first world countries are strugling with bathrooms and gender shit, meanwhile me In my 3rd wrld country I don't even now If I'm gonna be able to make a christmas dinner this year...
1st world problems
Prayers for you dude
same
Sometimes we gotta get creative man, look around for any neighbors that would not be missed...they shall make a lovely christmas dinner!
crazy how you think i care. you are not white.
It totally broke my immersion when they showed he still had a relationship with his dad.
LMAO
Kek fucking dub lmao
Parents like that exist.
😂
He?
It's incredibly worrying to see a corporation pushing this stuff on underage people in the first place.
Hey what if I was a dog but you just some reptile hahaha good joke 🤣
Is more about religious zealots taking over a company to push their own ideas. At some point this was thought to be the standard and they piled up on that i guess, otherwise i dont understand ideology taking over profit seeking.
@@travian821 what if I was a dog but to ijsut some
@@travian821 which religion is pro trans?
Came to comment the same. WTF
You know there's a famous quote in AITA when it comes to kids and that is something like: so you expect KIDS to make way and adjust to YOU, an adult person just because you don't feel comfortable?
They can’t have kids so they need yours
Whats AITA?
@@jakemathews552am I the asshole.
@@jakemathews552 i wanna know too
@@jakemathews552 Am I The Asshole. For example: Am I the Asshole for wanting a kids movie to cater to me and my mental illness, instead of being a movie for kids.
Seeing Jaguar recently throw it's hat into the woke ring makes me believe that Disney still has a few more embarrassments to go before it decides to get serious.
Look if it got to this point there is no going back, you think the activists will leave? That the people there will simply decide to make good content again? They've been swallowed whole.
Faguar went as hard as sipping jelly
at least we'll always have the f type svr. oh wait, apparently the goal is to make it illegal for me to drive one of those. i forgot.
Well, from what I've heard Disney started to fire the activists around this summer, so yeah, there still will be a couple more embarrassments because they're products that were done before the problematic people were fired, but then, it should return to normal.
@@chassegallerie2910 Maybe, but they allowed it to go on for more than a decade. They will not back down they will trim the fat and be more lean with how they instill the content into their projects.
0:35 only passes to friends
0:49 get's insta combat alert from a kid
0:59 loses control of the voice minor mental breakdown
1:04 goes Picasso mode major mental breakdown
1:12 bravely fleeing the scene
1:18 complete mental breakdown just from talking to his dad
1:32 coach offers basic camaraderie
-Based?-
😂😂😂😂 you got me with that one
I got a combat alert one time a transgender neighbor of mine walked behind me. The guy had broader shoulders than me and was walking around on heels.
Which, I’ll be honest, this animation is actually pretty good
With a lot of this stuff in Disney, it'd feel too forced and rushed in the story. The series/ movie isn't about this character. Having this be just a segment wouldn't do it justice or actually help kids just confuse them and possibly terrify them.
The story actually looks well told but again, it's forced into another project that doesn't need it just for extra quick brownie points.
This could easily be it's own short film and not just a throw away segment.
it's inappropriate, enough said
1:10 panic attack from a child giving you a weird look 💀
Yeah cuz they’re thinking the child saw them as a man.
Well they have mental breakdowns over much less...
The little kid knew better.
Coming from the exact same people who claim to not care what anyone else thinks of them
lmao because the kid is like tf you doing in the wrong bathroom
What is this idea even about? It's frustrating when people don't recognize that this could be a mental health issue that needs proper treatment and support.
Why do people create media portraying this as a mental illness but then refuse to acknowledge or describe it as one? Bunch of hypocrites.
go to a therapist then not a disney tv show
Exactly this. Now the annoying bunch of the anti-woke and the generally level headed people, are making out to be so much more than it is.
The main thing I always say when this kinda stuff happens is 'why are you hurting your movement'. I feel for trans people, gender dysphoria makes no sense to someone who hasn't experienced it, but so many people go through many types of dysphoria
These people aren't all unwell, but a great many are, perhaps even the majority. People who got coerced or whatever else as young adults, teens, etc. And their frustrations never were treated with the care they deserve. It's just plain sad.
It's just narcissism. A man cannot know what it feels like to be a woman, so saying he 'knows' he is a woman is just arrogant and delusional. If he said he just WANTED to live as a woman (like they always used to say), then it would not be delusional, just weird.
@@unlikeu9017No offense, but isn't that the same as asking for animations to be without some layer of depth? I understand the concern about this specific topic, but animations can be helpful in ask for help in real life for something like bad parents, bullying and other things
I have been confused about this very thought for a long time.
In the past 5 years Disney has returned -24.2% on investments where the S&P 500 has returned +82.8%.
They don't care. They're not motivated by money. They're motivated by control and influence.
Based stocks
They got a state funded loan with a really good interest if they got the checkmarks. Other calls it money laundered.
The top executives from Disney don't care if billions are lost... heck they don't even care if Disney went bankrupt and turned to ashes because all of them have golden parachute retirement packages. This means even if Disney went bankrupt into nothingness all of them would still have multiple millions for them and their relatives to live as kings for decades.
the golden parachute retirement packages is why top Disney executives don't care if Disney is successful and thus keep pushing woke agendas.
The entire concept animation was indeed very well done. But to me it showed a young person with mental problems, as if the person was a house without any fasteners; all the parts are there but none form a cohesive structure.
It's not "go woke go broke". It's "stop trying to homogenize all thinking by turning nuanced topics into a right vs wrong issue where you clearly push which side you're on". I want entertainment from these companies. I don't want companies to share their subjective, hypocritical viewpoints.
Oh my god, an actual mature adult in these comments. That's rare these days.
"At what point can we tell our stories?"
The point where it doesn't involve children.
Yep. Feel free to tell your stories. Don't feel free to try to manipulate and mentally screw up children.
Just a wild guess but maybe their stories DO involve children and bathrooms?
At no point.
@LoveKasumin1253 Impossible, it's not like when a lot of people scream awful things at people on the internet those people start to internalize those thoughts...
“Write what you know” took a weird turn
They have a fiduciary obligation to care about what the shareholders want. They forgot that a decade ago.
Edit: Let me rephrase. Not what the shareholders “want” per se, but rather the interests of the shareholders. The best interest of the shareholders is not losing money.
No, they kept that obligation since at the time they were still making money AND getting ESG so they had two major revenues. It was only when their main revenue finally took such a beating that the extra income from ESG wasn't worth it
Everything they have done thus far was for money, the smart move back then was to take the money and rely on their brand power. But like everything related to public companies all their plans are short term and almost always causes them to lose alot of money that forces them to lol jump to the next bandwagon
Maybe it shouldn't be that way, feels like shareholders control these megacorps and push whatever.
They don't want to care about LGTV+-+- ANY MORE
You know you have it bad when the company who paints your sets has a far healthier looking stock price.
They don't want to care about LGTV+-+- ANY MORE
All kids feel uncomfortable about their growing body at some point, so I really object to suggesting at a young age that this could be the reason. It's fine if it is, but they should figure it out themselves and with loved ones, not be guided there by corporations.
There’s a significant difference between discomfort and dysphoria.
That’s what puberty is 😅
i agree but the influence trickles down
Mark my words: 20-30 years later americans will look back at "gender affirming care" with the same bewilderment they now look back at lobotomy.
And you know what's funny? The rest of the world recognized it as a wild shit right from the start. Both lobotomy in 20th century and trans stuff in 21st century only became widespread in the West, rest of the world never adopted these "treatments".
Remember that feeling when you first found out that lobotomy was considered an absolutely normal threatment and was massively prescribed in the western countries in the previous century?
People of the next century will get to experience the same feeling.
I find it interesting that one of the twitter comments asked "When do we get to tell our story?" and I thought, just because Disney has decided to pull this from a KIDS movie, doesn't stop you from telling YOUR story to whoever you want. Disney isn't here to cater to your feelings, they are a publicly traded company that must make money or they will be no more.
It's worrying to me with how much people think Disney is supposed to be their ally. Disney is a corporation. It's all business. If you are not giving them money, they don't care about you.
You can't even comprehend how wrong you are. If you were even remotely correct, Disney would have turned course the moment their projects started being negatively received.
Disney is not a for-profit corporation. It is a funded weapon of cultural warfare.
If you don't understand who is wielding it and who it is meant to destroy, then you are lost.
I think it's a mix of people genuinely wanting to share these stories and Disney selectively choosing these stories purely for the financial gain it could bring and not the message the creator wants to send
It's worrying to see Asmongold and his community also decide they shouldn't be allies either. Showing everyone that this millionaire is as souless as the rest.
Disney has been perfectly happy with losing money for the sake of pushing the message for several years now. I don’t know how long they can keep that up, but money isn’t everything to them.
@pingusoldier1025 exactly, the problem isn't necessarily just the message itself, its the messenger and who that message is being shown to.
So cringe, it's one of those "Daddy, why do only girls wear skirts" narratives.
To be fair I'd be completely fine wearing a skirt or seeing a man wearing a skirt. Although the catch is, it would be still a man in a skirt, not a woman.
I still remember how my imagination worked asking questions like that.
"Does it help them fly when they fart?"
Was my default.
It looks more creative than that in my opinion
Dad: "Men do wear skirts in Scotland, but they are called "Kilts"."
Where I work, dress code requires pants, but skirts are fine. Shorts are not allowed though. So when it's really hot, women get to air out their legs with skirts while men have to wear stuffy pants. A guy asked about this during a conference and was told that it's fair because "men are welcome to wear skirts too", but obviously most men aren't going to just start wearing skirts. Sucks for us.
life really is a south park episode
“Looks like everything’s going PC again”
“Well it lasted about 6 years last time, so we have about 5.9 years to go”
-Season 19, Episode 1, 2015
Meanwhile in reality...
South Park- "ORANGE MAN BAD!"
(Losses ratings in records numbers, forced to do one off specials to keep streaming deals.)
@@jamestoney6599 Which episode?
More like ATHF, where Meatwad has no brain and is floating in the ocean. Except that is the worlds *elite and brightest* constantly saying "Do what now?"
We're not Frylock either, we're *Master Shake* arriving late as usual without any help. *Watching.*
Meatwad: "Do what now?"
Frylock: "Pop the balloon with the glass!"
M: "Yeah, alright... Do what now?"
F: "Pop-... Pop it with the glass. The glass in your head."
M: "I know, don't yell at me! ...Do what now?"
Shake: "What's going on, what are you doing?"
F: "D&mn it, he needs his brain, otherwise he is just gonna float around forever saying Do What Now..."
M: *"Do what now?"*
I mean... South Park IS real life! HAHA!
nah that animation isn't redeemable that is actually insane on all levels
For real.
How so? It’s not even promoting transitioning, it’s moreso commenting on the struggles of dysphoria and showing that important conversation with those you care about is a good route to take.
There’s nothing “insane” here, it’s actually quite reasonable.
What are you saying. The animation is amazing and accurate. The discussion is just about "should it be in a disney movie", nothing's wrong about the animation unless you're transphobic
It looks artistic because it has shapes, but why does a company need to make bathroom scenes with kids. Its kinda creepy that hollywood loves to make this type of material regardless of trans stuff. Also why indoctrinate little kids into your beliefs, if what you are doing is fine people will think its okay. If you have to trick kids into thinking something is good, maybe its not actually good.
Why is it always the bathrooms? Why do they insist so hard on being allowed into the ladies' room? I don't use the mens' room because it's some sort of gender-affirming experience that cements me as a man. I could enter the ladies' room, take a dump, wash my hands and leave without a problem. The only reason I don't do it is because I don't want to make the women in there uncomfortable. If using the mens' room make people less uncomfortable then just use the mens' room.
It's creepy.
The entire video was about innocent interaction and fear of it being shown as " praying on kids" so your comment is like the essence of it
Pretty sure the bathroom scene is the less subtle way of getting the point across. I don't know why, maybe because kids nowadays are more dumb and ignorant and can't relate to any character and their issues in media unless it's LITERALLY THEM, i'd like to think it's more about script writers and directors being illiterate which makes it impossibe to have characters whose issues are not one dimensional. I don't know about gender/ethnicity issues, but i'm pretty sure people in real world have more going for them than that.
"if you have to trick kids into thinking something is good" this is way to black and white ngl, look im not im favor of shitty writing and dei sheit but i highly doubt kids are being "tricked to believe its good" kids do not stand still and think oh is he a boy or girl or how should i call him/her all they see is a possible playmate 🤷 its really not that deep same as possible racist holiday traditions kids dont care about it, adults do, kids just want the presents
its crazy to me how people just allow this agenda
…Does this really not seem like it depicts a clearly mentally unwell person having a mental breakdown? 🤨
Like, what the character is experiencing is clearly not a good thing. I think its a little concerning that, rather than getting someone like this help, some would really rather reinforce this kind of instability.
Yeah, it's like ''enabling'' such a behaviour.
It's so odd to me that in any other circumstance if someone is having delusions that make them want to mutilate themselves, they'd be put in a mental hospital and given antipsychotics. But suddenly, if the delusion is that their body was born the wrong gender, and the part of themselves they want to mutilate is their genitals, then suddenly it's okay and should be accepted?
The worst of all is that they encourage them to start living in a lie or an illusion and perhaps then undergo procedures that may be irreversible just to try to improve that illusion of which they expect us all to be participants.
Just because they don't want to accept that if there is a problem, it is in their mind and not in their body.
The worst part of all is that they only reinforce and convince you that you should start living a lie or an illusion because it is supposedly the only way to alleviate the "problem"
When, thinking about it, won't that only cause even bigger problems later?
It’s not reinforcing it, it’s bringing attention to it. If we sweep the problem under the rug, it will never get solved.
Disney did kind of care about DEI in the sense that it got them a LOT of free money from ESG loans to pay off their debts from Igor being a dumb. But now those ESG loans are drying up, Disney still is in debt and still has to pay off those loans, and they need money NOW, so they'll go back to not being activist. They tried to influence politics and it blew up in their face, so it is only a matter of time to see what becomes of this.
you're telling me even larry fink screwed these corporations over? that's so fucking funny man hahaha
They’re also having to pay a ton of money to their under paid employees. It’s all blowing up in their faces.
Donald Trump and his minions are the richest people in the world and have helped destroy society to an insane degree. The conspiracy you scream at queers or brown people is exactly what the elites wanted you to do in the first place.
People's obsession to be "seen" by a friggin Disney movie is rather disconcerting. Hollywood isn't your family - your family is your family.
Not what they mean by being seen.
Unfortunately for some, their family isn't their family, and they're stuck with them for who knows how long.
@@Karanthaneosvery good point.
I agree with both sides of the conversation here a bit
By this logic, I'm sure you don't have a problem with the bald women from the intergalactic trailer? You'll play as any character because you don't care about feeling "seen"? Something tells me you like being seen in media, and dislike it when others get their chance at being seen instead... Human are inherently programmed to want to fit in with a group and be recognized, this isn't some cast of having no father figure etc, its just an inherent flaw of humans. You don't notice it because you're a dude, and media has historically been inclusive towards guys.
So being seen by someone regardless is a win for em. Was why TOH getting cancelled was big news
It’s gonna take a lot more than this…
They would have to sort out all little hats from their board.
Remember when movies were about telling a history and not about telling children to worry about their gender? Crazy times.
Movies have never been about telling history
It's worse than that. They're taking kids going through puberty which is a weird thing to go through and convincing them that their natural feelings are actually proof that they're "trans" and the solution to those natural feelings is self mutilation and once a kid has made up their mind and gone down that path it's kind of hard for them to back out because they've convinced themselves that it's who they are.
This is 100% why youth suicides are increasing. They're taking confused kids and telling them to fucking cut their bodies up in order to feel normal, when in reality that will make them never feel normal ever again.
The post operation suicide rates are clear on this as well.
These monsters have blood on their hands.
Ah yes Disney movies, everyone knows them for history movies 😂 wtf you even saying
People above, let's not pretend that you do not understand what OP meant. Misspelling, yes, but that's just it. It's obvious that OP meant "story" and made a small mistake
@@orrin-manning probably meant "telling a story" because "telling a history" isn't grammatically correct
Asmon was right, good visuals, creative stuff,BUT, you had it around a kid, that's GOING to make parents feel gross and not like the cause.
If you don't draw a line in the sand, it's going to confuse people about where it goes.
Everything to do with dialogue on this particular subject is centered on blurring lines and definitions, it's an inherently weak religion.
Also those visuals of someone falling to pieces like that may have freaked some kids out. The visuals look like something that would have been geared to older audience with the more surreal look to it. Also most kids may have not even understand the point of it, making the point of this comforting to them pointless.
Only people who know the culture buzzwards will understand why this character was freaking out tbh
Bro. I’m tired of people saying this shouldn’t be for “kids” and instead for an older audience. This is not for ANYONE but other psycho ass weirdos who “think” they’re something they’re INDEED NOT. Anyone who thinks this shit is okay AT ALL not just in kids shit is absolutely disgusting.
Not just parents. That should be a giant red flag to any thinking human being that isn't a deviant. Children and their private issues are for them and their families to take loving care of. Not money chasing corporations, not brain defunct activists or procedure following, dead inside public servants.
I think the narrative and the symbolism was great for the animation, portraying the gender dysphoria and social anxiety BUT gender politics and sexual identity has no place in kid's movies.
The symbolism was portraying trauma based mind control. On brand for Disney.
Idk. I would have no issue showing this to my 6 year old. It's not like there's penises being thrown around or anything.
Kids this age ask the most bizarre questions so she's already aware there are "girls who feel like boys" when it came up.
no kids movie needs to portray gEnDeR dYsPhOrIa anyways.
It's only politics because people hate on trans people. For trans people it's their lives.
Also has literally nothing to do with sexual identity...
An interesting art piece for sure, but it doesn't need to go beyond this level of animation. Niche issues do not need to be addressed in the mainstream.
this is one of the creepiest scenes ive seen storyboarded. why are they trying to portray the grown man as a victim to what would be an understandably confused little girl? god help us seriously
It's not a grown man, they're both students just one is taller. I think the story is actually interesting, just maybe not suited for 6 year olds. It'd be a fine story for 13yo+ just make it pg13.
Tbf the trans isn't supposed to be a victim and the little girl isn't supposed to be a villain. She has a understandable reaction and the tran had an identity crisis over it.
That isn't a grown man, what? That's a child not knowing whether to use the mens or womens room and then having a panic attack when a younger child shows up because what people accuse trans people of.
This is the same type of panic a man will get when a child is lost and needs help but they're a man and society assumes a man trying to help a child is just a rapist. The man knows he's not, and only wants to help, but the "super ego" that is always conscious of what other people might think is screaming at him that others can 100% see him as the bad guy if he's the slightest bit unlucky in trying to help the child.
@@davidsantiago7808 Even at that age, treating this gender stuff as settled is wrong because it’s only pushing kids to change and not accept themselves. The whole discussion by these people is pushed in one direction: you aren’t what your body says you are.
@@davidsantiago7808 I like the visuals but I don't think it would be a fine story for people that age at all. Mostly because there are no people that age. People that age suffer a different kind of dysphoria and it's always young girls being uncomfortable with puberty. Nowadays they're trying to reframe it as them being transformers, but it's a lie. Now they're trying to push that lie to infect more of them. It's evil.
Showing this to children is so weird
They're MAPs to use their language.
Agreed. I’m glad they took this out
How?
@ it’s inappropriate
@laineyboylan5292 why would 8 year olds need to see a scene sexual identity and orientation? Just let them have fun and leave the weird politics out of it man. It's just conditioning children
Remember at the end of the day Disney is still a business they only are doing this in hopes of regaining customers. Don’t go back let them fail
Nope. You have not been paying attention mate. Sorry. There's no nice way to say that but it is what it is. These companies are losing money left right and center and yet across the board it's still being pushed. Money to these billionaires doesn't mean *that much*. Control means a lot. Manipulating an entire generation into being weak mentally ill fools is very lucrative for them.
@ i’ve been paying plenty of attention to what’s going on. Disney is a publicly traded company they have already had numerous fights with their shareholders and their own customer base because of these bad decisions. This is them in damage control. If you were paying attention you’d know why Disney axed 80% of their streaming projects. Stalled snow white and reworked it as best as they can and now continues to cut back where they can while they can. Right now Disney’s only making money on the parks everything else so far these last few years has lost money and fire is burning faster
I don’t think so, they are a company with like 60 year old executives they don’t care about social norms or morals they just care what can earn them more money, case in point pride month…
There is literally nothing that could possibly bring me back to Disney. Not even complete erasure of the last ten years of Disney output, which will of course never happen, because it would be an admission of their failure.
@@mattyboyanderson You're right that it will never happen. Isn't it funny that they'll put trigger warnings on Aladdin, but they'll die on the hill of the Lightyear lesbian kiss. Sensitivity to the feelings of some subset of the audience only ever seems to go in one direction.
imagine not knowing which bathroom to use when you're past the age of 3 💀💀💀
💀
Being edgy isn't cool, you're just bullying someone for experiencing a mental health issue. Would you say "Imagine having PTSD at 3" to a child in an abuse household?
Easy, just go out in backyard. Like a dog.
Tf are you saying
This! I literally can't understand the point of the storyboard - a transkid (boy who thinks he's a girl) has a panic attack when visiting a girls bathroom? WHY in nine hells couldn't he visit the men's room?! WHAT does that change in his life???? Why are trannies so fixed on toilets......
People need to stop obsessing over representation.
It’s so egocentric, it’s like saying “this thing would be better if I was in it.”
Not really what that's about.
Then why were you so angry about the bald woman in intergalactic? You 100% do care about representation.
@@demetter7936Because she seemed off somehow. It’s a lizard brain thing and happens also with sociopaths for example. And the fact she shaved her head with an upside down razor 😂
Loved playing as Aloy in both games for example. And Saga in AW2 and the chick in Control. Just like Geralt, Kratos or Alan as well.
@@demetter7936Ignoring the fact OP may not even know or care about that game, the Dev’s obsession with representation is the _exact_ reason why the character is hated. Your “counter” doesn’t even make sense.
This seems like the weirdest thing to just announce. Like they couldve just cut it and not acknowledge it
it would have gotten out one way or another, too many people worked on it. At least this way Disney got to spin it as trying to do what parents wanted
In their minds they exaggerate it as some big step backwards for society, so obviously they want to talk about it like it’s the worst news in the world.
@@mkohanek No, you're missing the bigger picture: this was a redirection tactic. They are showing you what they believe to be the worst of the worst so that people can say, "Oh, it's safe now because they cut this bad content out".
@@mkohanek It just looked like a story board. Not many worked on it.
it's reverse-virtue-signaling...
Disney higher ups wanted to remove the lesbian kiss but Pixar revolted but then the movies bombed and these animation studios have zero leverage
It bombed, sure. But it had other issues. Not a split second scene people threw a hissy fit over.
@@jeb791 It didn’t bomb because of that. Get over it already.
Lightyear was fun, the kiss literally made no difference. People didn't like it because it threw out pre-existing lore.
@@emikochan13kiss is why my kids didn't see it. Parents pay more and more often that weird Disney adults. Sorry. Parents are voting with their wallets.
Even aside from that kiss, the movie sucked in general.
"What happened? Disney never cared about *xyz* people, they care about money."
This is so true! I've been saying that for as long as I remember
Why are these people ALWAYS targeting KIDS?! NOBODY would give a fuck if they would stop going after children.
They are recruiting
Corporate capture.
The same thing was said about interracial couples back in the 60s and then gay people ...
Because they can't have kids of their own.. of course they're gonna go after other peoples kids.
@@nickthompson6466 why Isn't BUT the gamma is different FROM me?? I DON'T UNDERTAKE ANYMORE.
The emotional manipulation on that short is so fucking insane.
Wait until you watch the Inside Out movies, you’ll explode
Trying to paint the dude diddying inside the girls' bathroom as the oppressed one
Emotional manipulation
Bro....is Disney we talking about3
@@victorHhugo-uh9mq While i understand you i do agree with the op the whole video is like "look at the poor trans person don´t you feel bad?".
Like, Disney doesn´t care but the people that made the animation do, but Disney will allow it or pull the plug depending of their interests.
I almost can guarantee that whoever was responsible for that segment was fuming because it was canned.
If anyone resonates with that short, they need to seek legitimate help and not the fake "Affirming Care" kind that leads to years of body mutilation.
How did this even become a story though? Like stuff gets changed behind the scenes and stuff cut or added all the time in every show, yet somehow the raw animation is out there and news stories are written? How? Why? Angry Disney employees ratting to the media?
Probably the mouse trying to make it look like they are toning it down.
Because the people working there are a part of the community.
I wouldnt be surprised. I personally dont think its bad, in fact i think this is quite an artistic idea of visualization on this topic. But i agree with Asmon about the direction it went and the interaction of the character with a child. It probably wouldnt have sat well with the audience. There is a movie called "I saw the TV glow" and its in my opinion a phenomenal piece of art that discusses the reality of trans-people. Its a Fantasy-Horror-Movie that works a lot with our childhood perception of shows like "Goosebumps" and "Are you afraid of the dark".
@@bomber9912 So you're completely converged?
@@bomber9912it would probably pop off at some indy film festival. But this should not even be a topic in a big blockbuster movie targeted at kids.
But seriously this is the most and best artistic representation ive ever seen for trans people. And as opposed to the garbage they have pushed in video games like dragon age, this honestly is so artistic and artsy that the message being sent makes me feel a bit empathetic vs angry and annoyed. This does not come off as made by a narcissist trying to portray themselves in the media format but rather a proper story being told of the hardships of someone with real body dysmorphia(i believe many “trans” people are faking just for attention and to be treated special)
They're not profiting from the queers, so now all of a sudden they care for the younger audience and the parents lol
Isn't it odd that large corporations are obsessed with 1% of the population?
Fact
maybe more, you'll never know cause no one can mesure that
Isn’t it odd people are obsessed with striping rights and representation away from 1% of the population?
actually the opposite, they dont want to treat them 1 percenters
“The squeaky wheel gets the grease.”
This scene would teach kids to be sympathetic with creeps who approach children in the wrong bathroom. Yikes.
Anyone who actually thinks this is okay should be locked up with the ones who made it.
"brand recognition" in a way is exactly what I'm thinking. Get them used to seeing it and let it be normal. Shit ain't normal
wtf creep? you didnt watch the video
This was part of a series, so who's to say they wouldn't eventually have an episode about the poor sad man in the white panel van who can't get kids to come take his free candy and pet his new puppy?
@ 🤣🤣🤣🤷♂️
We used to have good animations like
- Snow White
- Beauty and the Beast
- Princess and the Frog
- Pinocchio
Etc... now we get slop that shouldn't be in the minds of kids
its worse, now you get revisions of these classics, where they get perverted because the classics are now "problematic" and have to be updated.
They did pull it tbf. Not that the stuff they do put out is always great but still
Tangled, Frozen and Big Hero Six is probably their last good ones
Disney: Say it correctly.
Ash Black.
Black and the Black.
Lesbian and the frog.
Blacklatinno
Princess and the frog was legendary
Governments should stop focusing so much on censoring internet "to protect children" and focus more on supervising content that's specifically made for children to consume.
"We realized that people don't actually agree with terminal twitter users and are losing money"
and still keep doing it.
How much money did they lose before they noticed?
@@bradleymoore2797 only a small amount of hundreds of millions of dollars
0:30 wow picking a bathroom so confusing
i guess this is what happens when you can't explain to a kid what a woman is.
The fact we have a ton of comments from people who are "identifying" with this is actually the scariest thing about all of this. The next generation is purely and 100% doomed with no chance of recourse.
dead ass I saw a middle aged man in a dress doing the very same thing a few years back before shamefully walking into the men's restroom where he belonged.
Long hair and skirt symbol for the ladies, pants and short hair for the gentlemen.
Truly one of the hardest dilemmas of all time
I actually thought "Lmfao, stupid Disney not knowing what people want from them, lol", until I realised the character in question was a child 😐
Crazy it got this far and nobody thought this would be seen as bad, crazy
Why is bathroom such a confusing subject? Why can't people just be normal?
because people do not agree on what is normal
Because normies are horny, its very much a question of preventing the development of sexual attraction.
@@qckluthey clearly do because if someone thought it was normal then they wouldn't gave hangups about what bathroom to go in.
They are confused because it's specifically not normal
They just want to be unique by being stupid
because some people doesn't do normal, they have to be different
Like I love the context and the artistic vision to represent gender dysphoria. But I feel like this would do much better as it's own plot in a young adult animation series rather than something VERY CLEARLY marketed towards like 15 under.
Tbh I don't care much for the political struggle behind gender and identity, but it should not be something children overtly see or are forced to observe as they are impressionable. These concepts are better tackled once they mature into young adults, they have a fuller sense of self and are better able to understand abstract concepts and disengage with something ideologically.
It's a well recorded fact in child development that 15+ is when they begin to engage with abstract thought and rationalization. So we should keep media that has these kinds topics relegated to that more mature audience.
So you're fine with manipulating fragile minds, so long as they aren't too young?
it would make sense if it talked about basic puberty, not going over the edge with transhit
Thats exactly what i said, this would probably be super well received at like an indy film festival. Its so well presented as to what a real trans person with body dysmorphia would experience. But to try and push this in a big blockbuster film aimed at kids is very concerning.
Why should young adults see stuff like this? What’s wrong with accepting whatever gender they’re born as?
Im on the same boat it looks like it would have been a very thought provoking scene but not the kind of scene kids could appreciate.
Another “woe is me” pity story that aims to try and peer pressure people into feeling bad. Nevermind the fact that this was a creepy story of a dude in a female bathroom interacting with a kid.
A dude who's only concept of self apparently comes from stereotypes
underrated comment
This. And people still think that it’s completely normal, when did it all go wrong???
And having a literal reeee moment because the kid saw through the bs
Based
This is so fucking creepy and disgusting, i'm baffled they had a plan to put this in a children show to begin with, Diddywood at it's best.
What's kinda funny is that the deleted scene's implications are actually kind of based: kids see through BS. The kid saw through the BS of the person using the wrong bathroom. Hilarious.
well, the real BS is that we live in a country with gendered public bathrooms.
so many countrys have just had restrooms, no men, no women, just places to unload your spent energy.
Ya, but I'm sure it ended with the kid being shamed for having common sense..
Exactly. Kids are unfiltered and unadulterated, uninfluenced by all the "grown up" politics and ideology BS. So they perfectly see through all that crap without having been indoctrinated prior.
It seems my comment was deleted. All I was trying to say is,it would've ended with the kid being shamed for having common sense.
Comment deleted again. Awsome.
How dare parents want to discuss certain topics with THEIR children if they even discuss it at all, when they feel is right for them and theirs and not when Pixar deems it the appropriate time and place
The current topic being…the existence of certain people.
Looks like the representation of serious trauma, the fractured self in deep confusion and inner conflict. All of which is barely an understandable theme for fully grown adults let alone kids.
Wdym? Grown adults don't just magically live happily or forget their past, a lot more people go through traumas in their life most just never talk about it
Kids might not understand but they can empathize with distress
@@chisaki703believe me they dont
True but I think this is mostly because what is represented is not what will be interpreted. Like you, I think this wouldn't be a bad thing to show a kid to get them to understand trauma, but this is supposed to represent being trans.
By using that context, it basically says that they are emotionally and mentally fragile that helping a poor helpless kid causes them severe issues. Kids are not nice, especially when they are between the ages of 5 to 10 (or maybe it's just that my family has gremlins until they are 12). This basically tells them that they are more mature because they have no issues going into the correct bathroom (they just don't do it because the opposite gender is full of cooties and they think the other bathroom is a magical place of wonders).
It's a representation of mental illness, not trauma. Trauma is surviving a war, or getting hurt in a car accident, not being mind-addled into cross dressing and LARPing.
@@chisaki703 The problem is that adults largely dismiss/ignore it, or belittle anyone who mentions it. Ask them something like "Why didn't you do X when you clearly wanted to do X and instead did Y?" most of the time you'll get a snarky, hostile reply like "None of your business you idiot!" meanwhile they'll trauma dump left and right, have mental breakdowns, cry their eyes out about "How sorry they are" for all the "wrong they've done" then the next morning forget all about it, cope, call you whatever names makes them feel better at the moment and dismiss you.
Because after awhile, adults stop caring, they just flat out, stop caring. And we, as kids, never figured this out until later. Once a person hits 30+ years old, they stop caring, their intelligence drains, they hit a point where "it is what it is" becomes the only line they can repeat because it's the only thing keeping them from eating a bullet.
It's all a cope, always has been.
In short, Disney wrote a story for a kid in High School (maybe middle school if they're mature enough), but they animated it for kids.
The sad thing is that the animation is actually a great short video about someone who is clearly not mentally sound, but you can't tell them that or advocate for any kind of mental health treatment because 'affirming them' is the only PC solution these days. Its kinda messed up in its own way.
except the part where the guy gets reaffirmed that it's all okay, instead of taken to a therapist to fix himself, sure.
or did you not pay attention to the whole thing?
@nobody8717 I mean telling a schizo they are actually friends with little green men instead of finding some way to treat them is messed up in the same way. Yet the "best" we can do is tell these people they actually are born in the wrong body, and then they have to live through this nightmare. Even the animation managed to capture it, the well meaning friend dragged them into the women's bathroom and that "affirmation" did not help them at all.
@@nobody8717 The guy at the end just pulled the person out of a panic attack, they didn't magically fix the mental illness the person has. Like saying someone with depression is cured because you made them laugh or smile. It amazes me how many people don't know what a panic attack is. Couldn't see a mental illness even if it came up and chopped their balls off.
trans people do see therapists, they just never are enough for you, no matter how long they are talking to a psychologist even if for multiple years, it just isnt enough for you unless they are forced to pretend they arent trans, dont lie and act like you actually care about mental health, you just want everyone to be "normal" like you
If I don't understand how or why this stopped being a mental health issue in the first place, and became something that has to be celebrated with its own flag and with pride?
I'd say there's some artistic value but as a mass market family movie that scene would be a marketing nightmare.
Yea this is more "arthouse Oscar bait"
Imagery isn't that interesting. Just a schizo getting depicted as a schizo. Like wow, they're literally falling apart, so creative
It would've been edited out of most international releases anyway
Yeah it looks like something that’d be put in a cartoon targeted towards older fans like final season of Adventure Time or it’s latest sequel
@@mogaming163 Honestly it wouldn't make for a bad short, just don't have it aimed towards children. And maybe alter some parts of it, like the bathroom scene with the kid, I would just have the kid be a bit older.
imagine having a panic attack from a kid staring at you lmfao
Uhm, can you say with full confidence that no adult person had a panic attack with a kid staring at you? Like, if I go on reddit stories would i not find thatvsituation
@@Xlife93 It was from her voice. They show it in the scene.
@@Xlife93 yeah just ignore the whole context she panicked because a kid was talking to her smh the disingenuousness with this topic is so exhausting.
@@amuro9624when did the kid utter a single word in the video? How was anyone supposed to know that?
@@theworld6710imagine having a panic attack because you are in the wrong bathroom lfmao
I think the main issue people have with it is that it's forced, it's not a natural story where someone happens to be trans now and then, it's every movie someone is, every game, everything.
If the story is good, no one will care if the character is trans or gay or bi or a woman VS a man. It's all the forced bad stories that ruined it, bad stories made with no real thought about the story, only the "inclusiveness".
"Look at this poor dude getting anxious talking to a little gal in a RR alone, feel bad for them!"
I wonder why that would never pass (pun intended) well for a majority of people. Almost like it's as creepy as that netflix movie but since it's painted in a victim narrative it's supposed to be young friendly. Yeah no.
I hear people say this a lot, that "Company only cares about money, they'll do whatever if they think it'll be profitable". That's true in theory, but it ignores the deeper truth that companies are composed of individual people, who each have their own ideas and biases. And when companies get taken over by activists in leadership/decision-making positions, those activists only care about advancing their ideology regardless of the corporate consequences. That's why we see these companies put out bewildering garbage that obviously flops or harms the company, yet they double/triple down. It's because the activists don't care, and they are so ingrained into the leadership structure that it's very challenging to remove them once they're embedded.
Really putting too much stock in the moral motivation for these companies.
not only that, but it is a fact that companies only do this for loans and to get more money. someone in the comments said it best, they have to make that money back somehow.
Disney's version of The Emperor's New Clothes
The honesty of a child broke him out of his false reality 😂
And his low T hipster dad reinforced his delusion afterwards instead of doing his job as a father.
😂😂
Children are brutally honest.
I'm glad for that. Keeps thing balance and from getting out of hand like it has been.
As a straight person, I agree this would have been pretty good and thought provoking, were it not for kids
Sexuality is supposed to be a taboo subject to broach with other peoples kids, unless you have the express permission of their parents, like sex education. Even if you have permission, that doesnt mean you are allowed to teach anything related to sex you want, but its supposed to be very limited, and with the full knowledge of parents.
I think the people that break that taboo should probably go to prison for abuse of a minor. I dont think grooming is something we should be lenient on, and this means i think many teachers should be in prison, or at the very least have lost their jobs.
But why is it a taboo topic?
Yes and I got banned for saying it's brainwashing. Okay mods.
hey so can you elaborate on that? im confused what you mean by 'sexuality' and why it apparently needs to come with jail time for discussing it in a school environment, its phrased very vaguely.
@prehistoryenthusiast sexuality is inherently sexual in some way
theres no reason to discuss it with kids who dont yet or shouldnt yet know their birds and bees, and even then it should be up to the discretion of the parent when they are bird and bees level
@@king_vasuki2692 Because how you teach your children about sex and sexuality is an incredibly personal and private thing that is influenced by so many things including culture and past trauma. It is stupid and dangerous to leave that sort of subject to strangers and people pushing agendas. There is also a terrible history of trying to normalize sexualizing children and Hollywood is one of the most prolific offenders in that regard.
There’s always kids in these. It’s just beyond suspicious.
You mean there’s often kids in them when a large amount of what Disney makes is for younger audiences or children? Shocking.
Why did ya'll start to pretend to give a shit about kids in the last 5 years anyway?
Is it just the youtube channels you're watching that got it into your head, or is there something else?
@@cammyshill3099 Are you saying people didn't care about kids before 5 years ago? Were you born 4 1/2 years ago?
@@cammyshill3099 i don't know what kind of people you regulary hanged out with but majority of humanity cares about children
@@theworld6710 OP was talking about having kids in ANY messages about trans or trans issues. But sure, ignore what the problem is and play pretend is better I suppose.
I think most of the parents have a decent point, it’s a very confusing thing for anyone in that position to go through and having to explain that to a kid like it isn’t confusing just makes things worse, honestly the animation is really good just not the right audience
I do like the scene, and the rough state of it (no dialogue, sketchy figures, only music) actually adds a lot to it. You tell everything that would be said just on the actions alone.
That said, you'd be insane to put that in a children's movie.
i mean props to them for removing it, but why was it suggested in the first place, its a kids show
Annnnnnd????
That's something for teens or YAs to learn. Kids should enjoy being themselves.
@@ralphdary7050 children who cannot understand about anything (get confused easily) should not be shown deranged mental problems in their movies
There’s corrupted minds within the studios themselves which have always been pushing for this stuff. Everyone blames the management but a lot of concepts and ideas literally do start at the lowest levels of collaboration.. and those ideas are pitched. I work in the gaming industry and see it all the time.
@@ralphdary7050 Something for no one to learn.
I am not sure if it is because I am autistic, but I just can't wrap my mind around the whole "I need to be seen" mentality. It is a lot nicer to just chill under the radar and live life without demanding attention.
Their goal is attention, they don't actually believe what they say; it is just a vapid performance to feel special.
I think it's more of a "I don't like being seen this way" mentality.
The music felt pretty creepy and weird.
It's from Space Mountain. Yes, the ride.
It matches the subject matter
Bro, it's space mountain THE RIDE yes, music. What are you on about
Bro is afraid of theme parks
Fits the subject
Haha glad they didn't add this. That's a very weird scene to have in a kids movie.
The fact that there are adults wanting to see that is already a bad sign to not let children near them.
As a new parent this crap disgusts me. I’m afraid to let my kid watch any cartoons or movies newer than what I watched 25 years ago
So just watch the old stuff with them.
@@ComicGladiator Yeah that's what OP's saying. Your comment adds nothing
As a Human, this nonsense disgusts me because it degrades the “lower ends” of our species.
Why are you afraid? Also Bluey is one of the best children's shows made in decades!
Studio Ghibli
Why is removing a scene of a male interacting with a young girl IN A WOMANS BATHROOM controversial???
Fr. It’s kinda inappropriate in my opinion.
Because they want us to care for someone else's illness
HOLY SHIT EXACTLY
Why isn't? Most girls would freak out seeing a guy in their bathroom. The other way around not so much
people need to stop projecting their perversions. Talking to someone is not attempting to date them.
"They would say that too." Bro, they already did like 80 years ago. It was called Song of the South.
Nit going to lie. These draft animations made it seem like a good idea. Hope they make a short film of it at some point.
That entire clip was cringe
Yeah and what is it saying? that the little girl is a Bad Person for not wanting a Man in her safe place/rest room.
A little scene where you tell them YOU DONT PASS lmfao
Why the heck was it even there in the first place?!
The way they've tried to portray it with the face and confusions is a marvelous approach even for a design tbh. But yeah, having such an act in kids' movies will definitely get their stocks to freefall. Plus, it seems awkward, too.
They can fire anyone involved, and most people and parents don't want this kinda stuff. Making parents the enemy was the worst decision they could have made because guess what.? They have control(mostly) of what they want their kids to watch. Shocker.
then why do we always hear "think about the kids" and stuff like that for adult content that is labeled for only adults? weird (yeah actually it doesnt make sense and we all know its bulshit excuses for censorship they simply dont like and hate)
@@Wolf-fighterit’s used as a manipulation tool to “scare” the masses so they can put in their bullshit
The "think of the children" excuse was used against interracial couples and against gay characters in media . How is this different ?
@@Butter-keks85 because trans stuff is life altering and they weirdly can’t stay away from kids 🤔
@@Wolf-fighter Cry harder
the restroom setting is ill advised since it's very polarized issue right now. they can make the same emotional impact using other situations.
Like, broken arm kid is trying to use a water fountain in the middle of the park and can't twist the knob because broken arm.
They are drawn to it
Bathroom and shorts sports, and M to F all in one skit.
It's like they are trying to touch on every issue.
A much better story would be for a F to M having a hard time with not being able to make it on sports a team, being really short, and being lonely, then finding acceptance and friendship among other male outsiders, and ultimately realizing she doesn't need to conform to an identity.
@@blackjackjester isn't that LITERALLY a plot of some old movie?
Pretty sure that weird movie about the Kung Fu Football has the exact same plot, without the trans stuff
@@blackjackjester That’s just as bad.
How to Lose Friends & Alienate People. Disney edition.
How to Regain Your Viewer Base in Lieu of a Mystical, Non-existent Modern Audience
there I fixed it for you
Good one. Read that book recently to help w networking
the scene shows how unobtainable transitioning really is. even if the writers saw different.
Ngl the rough animation was really good even tho I don't really like any of this BS in kids show I gotta hand it to the animators they got good vission for animation.
wow cant believe they do what they are paid to do. Who woulda known disney is good at animating.
The same studio that sabotaged ‘The Owl House’ series just because it didn’t fit the brand. Even from the start, they never cared at all.
That's also the issue there is a need for an adult platform in western animation like in Japan, lets be real The Olw House and many other recent creations , they are not for kids and are directed by kid adults with Traumas that they have this need to share with younger audience
@@Jaroartx that show is for babies. Didnt know u guys can't handle baby shows these days
@Jaroartx I'm a kid and I love the owl house. Yall r just sensitive
@@JaroartxI love how I can apply this same concept to Batman The Animated Series
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Asmon with the bank
Fell off.
Asmongold quickly became one of the most popular channels this year. glad people are waking up & just watching a normal person. I've been watching him everyday for like a couple years. it's a nice dose of sanity & relatability in this crazy weird world.
Thank you, Rain Man.
you ain't down with us no more, you ain't fat
The face falling apart sealed it, the dad is Mr. Potato head.
Disney's opinions on trans representation is as subtle as a brick to face, Awhile back there was similar story, a fully completed episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur was shelved then leaked, it also had a trans character play a big part in the plot.
This scene feels Dystopian
I 💬 you have received 😮
1984 Orwell, indeed
Why?
Just add P. Diddy in it, and .... well can you make him lame and gay?
it feel like someone is posses by an elder monster of love craft it as dystopian as that
At what point are we allowed to tell our stories?
Le Cage aux Folles was written in 1973. Boys Don't Cry was written in 1999.
While it is bold of you to presume they such a level of reading comprehension... I admire the optimism.
Those don't count, they weren't targeted at kids. Its not hard to see that its not about the stories getting told, its about who they want the stories told to.
tell them to adults.
Did mentally ill people interact with kids in those books?
@@stevecole90099Yes. Kids should understand the real world. Learning about France doesn't make kids French. Do you think they're providing video diagrams?
I find it disingenuous at best when they say "This would've helped children....." ... What children? Children don't think that they must be somebody else unless abused (speaking from experience!), children want to play, have their parents' attention, and they need education, NOT INDOCTRINATION.
You can speak for yourself, but there are other people who've admitted to having these struggles even as kids.