USS Missouri Stuck in the Chesapeake
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- In this special episode we have Meghan Rathbun, Curator of The Battleship Missouri Memorial talking about when USS Missouri grounded in the Chesapeake Bay.
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My favorite battleship is the USS Utah, my grandfather was first officer the morning of December 7,1941,his remains are still on board
Did you ever have the opportunity to visit the memorial at Ford Island? That BB fought hard as well, not much attention is given to her saga sadly.
My favorite battleship is IOWA. My father was onboard when she took FDR across the Atlantic and back. In the early 2000's my sister took my dad, who lived in Newark area to see the NEW JERSEY. He was wheelchair bound by that time but when your staff found out that he'd been on IOWA the hand carried him (in his chair) down ladders to see where his rack was on IOWA. For the rest of his life he was very proud of what you had done.
In the early 1980's I worked for a gentleman who was a " Plankowner " of Battleship Iowa and was in the precommissioning crew at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. His name was John P. Musial and he was a Machinest Mate. He served on the Iowa for all of W.W. # 2. I wonder if your father knew him ?
THE BIG STICK!!!!
That’s awesome
Iowa is mine to I live in lowa
Best part was that Missouri grounded directly in front of Fort Monroe, a small, old Army installation known for two things: the Coastal Artillery school and the stately seaside mansions of a dozen retired 4 star Army generals.
Can you imagine the inter-service heckling from the shoreline? There's not much Army presence in Norfolk, and as an infantryman, I confess I would have been delighted. "PULL HARDER, SWABBIES! I THINK I SAW IT MOVE A LITTLE!"
Worst part it was right in view of the Admirals window.
Can you imagine if they had the internet then, and the number of 'helpful suggestions' they would have received from all around the world on how to re-float her.
"helpful" lol.
Never has 'helpful suggestions' been used in a more perfect situation. Thank you for that, it just made my month.
There would certainly be some epic memes.
I'm not very active on this platform but even on my small channel I get some (not so)"helpful suggestions" now and then.
The Missouri just got a little confused because she just really wanted to get on land to go to her home state
She must have forgot about the river
The shoals were there for a thousand years and still are. People blamed the crew for the mishap but a major screw up like this involved a major bad decision from the big brass.
Served on both these great ships in mid 80's. Incredible history on both. Last underway deployment onboard Missouri.
Massive envy, my friend.
Thank you for your time/service sir Thats the shit tho for real id love to hear those if I remember right i believe 16in Guns? Please correct me if im wrong I love history especially our military history
During my second enlistment, while waiting for orders back to sea duty, my “dream sheet” listed any BB or new construction FFG, I personally spoke to my detailer in DC, he said there were over 2000 men of my rate / rating requesting BB duty. It was extremely difficult for anyone other than GMGs or BTs to get orders to these ships. I got my choice of FFGs, at any yard, but the BBs were off the table. My father served aboard USS Washington BB 56 during WW II, and I really wanted to carry on the BB service tradition. No luck, I ended up being a tin can sailor for my whole career when rotating to sea duty. Still not a bad gig!
@@Zephyrmec i was a tin can sailor . 77 to 81, USS Decatur DDG31 . i was on the Enterprise for 4 weeks , much preferred the Destroyer . any time i see someone polishing brass i tell them to join the navy , you get to travel while you do that. lol i miss it.
@@Zephyrmec ...what was your rating?
Meghan is very well spoken and informative. Well done.
Everyone knows there’s no such thing as a problem that can’t be solved by the proper application of explosives!
think that's what they need now in the chesapeake bay (container ship) april 2022
It definitely makes sense that she didn’t respond correctly. I’m a naval architect and I did my senior thesis on the dynamics of ships in shallow water and restricted channels. When a ship is in very shallow water, water flow under the bottom of the hull is restricted and the flow of water around the hull begins to behave more like it’s a 2-D problem. Because of this, the rudder stops acting so much like a rudder and starts acting more like a flap on a wing (with the ship being the main part of the wing). This makes the ship turn very sluggishly.
sorta like what happened to the "Evergiven" ???
*Crunching grinding noises*
Lookout: "I've think we've grounded Sir! We just passed a bouy!"
Captain: "A bouy? Which one? What did it say on it Sailor?!"
Lookout: "No Parking Sir!"
Love it!
Welcome to Camden you mean... yikes!
BTW, my dad's best friend served 3 tours in Pearl/Hickham with the Air Force. The day he announced his retirement they took the flag flying over the Missouri and put it in storage. 9 months later when he retired and was promoted to general they flew the same flag over the Arizona. That flag now sits in one of those triangular boxes (i don't know the real name) in his living room. He currently teaches at the USAF Academy and Uni. of Denver.
Neat story and cool keepsake of his career.
My dad served on her in WW 2. Always makes me smile knowing in any war pics of her, Dad was there.
I read where they feared the keel might have bent during the grounding.
Years ago I stumbled across the salvage report from the grounding and read it. (I was stationed at newport, RI at the time, and found an incredible resource for fighting my insomnia in the library at the war college.) One of the things that stuck in my memory was that they found some iron or steel structures imbedded into the damaged hull that were from some previous shipwreck.
Cool to know. Makes you wonder if Poseidon wasn't having his revenge.
There was an old anchor stuck in the mud, that did most of the damage.
I like the Missouri I went aboard her in the summer of 1959 it was great time at P.S.N.S . My father was in the Navy for 26 years and 19 years of my life. I am a proud Navy Brat and from Missouri .
My father, CWO4 J.E. Grant, was the Chief Carpenter aboard the Missouri from 1949 until 1953 and received commendations for his efforts, work and recommendations during the grounding. I still have his letters, certificates and medals. Both the exec and the Wallin deferred to his advice and judgement as he had also been a CPO at Pearl Harbor in '41.
My dad served on Missouri's shakedown cruise. I appreciate everything you do to preserve that history.
My grandfather was on the shakedown cruise of the USS Washington having helped to make it in Philly Navy Yard.
Hey Keith, my father, Al Kelly also served on the Missouri from 1944 to 1953.
Served on The Mighty Mo from 88-90 down in EM02. And she purrs at 32 knots
I bet that was a heck of a rooster tail.
@@hackerjohnt that's something I can't confirm. I was deep down in the Pits of #2 Engine room
I can only imagine what that was like.
@@hackerjohnt HOT & NOISE
@@navymm2snipes489 stood throttle 's on dd830 70 to 72
As I was born raised in Missouri, and am back living there now...I'll have to cast my vote for Missouri. But I love the Battleship New Jersey channel. Hoping that Drach makes it over to sit down and do a live stream with Ryan. Not THAT would be entertainment.
ive always been partial iowa,that is to say the iowa class fast battleship in fact im currently assembling a 1/200th Scale model of the missouri. the kit is extrordinarily detailed (made by trumpeter if you may be familiar) and im not very far along into it/ i had the misfortune of loosing the assembly instructions - i was recently robbed and they were in my business papers, mail, all my personal documents e.t.c. - even my housecat was taken & i think they attempted to take the ship but probably realized that would be more of a problem than it was worth, i still miss my cat more than you might realize , him being the biggest loss of all/but it is very difficult to assemble this without instructions - i must say that watching Battleship New Jersey is a huge help,love your channel thanks
I recall when this happened. Sort of. My father was stationed at Fort Monroe at the time and we took walks along the sea wall and could see the ship aground. At least so he told me. I was only three at the time. I remember his stories of it…but my memory of seeing the ship itself has faded away.
January 1950
“Join the Navy! See Thimble Shoals!”
"It'd be fun they said..."
Lied they did
“I’d rather be soldiering”
@@mxg75 Not joining the Navy but instead joining the rifles “ That’s soldiering”
“I joined the Navy because I didn’t want to dig holes...”
1950: With a draft of about 32 feet USS Missouri went on the other side of buoy and ripped the bottom of hull: Pretty embarrassing for the BB. From Wiki:
Then the only U.S. battleship in commission, Missouri was proceeding seaward on a training mission from Hampton Roads early on 17 January 1950 when she ran aground 1.6 mi (2.6 km) from Thimble Shoal Light, near Old Point Comfort. She hit shoal water a distance of three ship-lengths from the main channel. Lifted some 7 feet (2.1 m) above waterline, she stuck hard and fast.[19] With the aid of tugboats, pontoons, and a rising tide, she was re floated on 1 February 1950 and repaired
"...famous because they sank..." - in that case I'll take anonymity.
To be fair for US BBs, sinking in war *hasn't* meant out of action. It just means extended repairs needed.
It is amazing that you two Curators know so much about you're individual ship. I am amazed at how much you two people know.
It was really cool to have Meghan Rathbun on! I look forward to more collaborations like this. Watching two experts walk the rest of us through the history and the tech on these museum ships is fascinating.
so 5 Iowa class Battleships: New Jersey, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri and Missourah.
LOL, depends on where you live as to how you say it I guess.
As a battleship geek I would’ve liked to see Kentucky or Illinois completed as missile boats…or something. Sending a almost completed BB to the breakers just hurts my soul.
I love battleships and if the USS Montana was built she would have been my favorite battleship
My Dad's ship the USS Tringa was one of the ships that pulled her off.
That was a good one! I would love to see more of these, even over zoom. Maybe try to include Keith too. Thanks BB-62 crew!
Meghan's really nice Ryan - wedding on the fantail?
Love all these BB New Jersey videos!
I worked for an excavation company at one time and as such I have spent a decent amount of time in muddy trenches. The worst being when we had to dig up ruptured water lines. It really is amazing just how badly that muck wants to keep you down there. I have had to be pulled out by the arm & bucket of an excavator, when I was maybe a foot deep in the mud.
Iowa is special to me as I spent so much time aboard her when she was active. Got to visit her multiple times in Fort Lauderdale, then again in Norfolk and in New York Harbor. Have also visited the Alabama twice, North Carolina and Texas. They're all special!
Wow.. two battleship Geeks of the highest level comparing notes. that is a once in a life time thing. unless...???
I agree with you.
I see a real beauty in watching real people, not especially well paid, share their expertise in a subject. In this case they share in a matter of fact type of way. It’s as if they could discuss this all day and late into the night.
If I am ever lucky enough to visit the Mighty Mo, I hope to meet her.
Imagine if Drach was there as well!
@@cdfe3388 >> Right!?
5 Minute Guide intro music intensities
@@cdfe3388 Drach would still manage to get his audio -6dB below Ryan and the Mo's' curator. Don't me wrong.. I love his work... but damn.. I have to crank my tv up to hear him... just to get blasted by an ad.
I toured the USS Missouri in Hawaii about four years ago. That along with her important history makes her my favorite
For the next fund raiser, we need to get Ryan a comb.
The man is too busy making videos about BB62 to take time to comb his hair. lol
Would ruin the ambiance. Disheveled is his thing.
That's the "bore-brush" look. He's keeping it.
In Britain that’s called the “just been shagged” look… 👀
But of course Ryan is only married to his battleship! His Best Girl…
Just embrace your baldness, no effort to hide it works, not even rugs.
OK, I refuse to pick. I'm from Iowa, she's my number one. But, dammit all, Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, Wisconsin are ALL my favorite! Love 'em all, I really do.
You can't beat an Iowa Class Battleship.
Great video thank you!
Very interesting discussion. Amazing how serious a grounding can be to a ship. With all the usual focus on surface battles and ship losses, the grounding issue tends to be overlooked.
Awesome history. THANK YOU!!!
Getting any big ship down the James and out to sea is an adventure. In 1977 or 1978 the old USS Iwo Jima (LPH-2) coming out of the yards lost all helm control and was heading for one of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnel piers when they released an Anchor and cut the engines. Took a while of steaming around the anchor for that 20,000 ton, 800 foot Amphib to stop. At least that was the story we Middies were told while standing Sea and Anchore detail.
I just want to spend an hour or two perusing those bookshelves. That "The Imperial Japanese Navy" book keeps grabbing my attention being a big IJN amateur historian.
I would be swamped for weeks absorbing all that knowledge.
Mein Kampf is in there as well… :/
@@supervayne it's a good read, shame about the author though
Thanks for these. Thoroughly enjoy your work!
I've visited the New Jersey and the Missouri when they came to San Francisco during the 90s. My uncle served aboard the New Jersey during the Vietnam war. I liked the Missouri better because she's more famous. The brass plaque in her deck where the Japanese surrender was signed is very impressive.
Thanks & praise to both of you, for your dedication & passion to our old ships.
I am from Gloucester county, Virginia, with a maritime & commercial fishing heritage, since the 1640's, in the Old Dominion.
I have heard my father, grandfather, uncle, and homefolks speak of her going aground. It was during the winter crab dredging season in the Lower Chesapeake Bay, and the local folks got an eyeful of the event.
I've researched and read several accounts of the events surrounding the grounding. Miscommunication was, indeed, one of the two large causes. The other cause being, the too often ridiculous ego & hard-headedness of her new captain. In his defense, he did have erroneous & conflicting information about the degaussing range, & someone had removed all but two of the buoys marking that range. However, being unfamiliar with Hampton Roads area, AND his first command of a battleship, Capt Brown should have worked more closely, & heeded the advice of his navigation staff, many of whom had served on the ship previously & were familiar with Hampton Roads. The hole she left in Thimble Bar is still there, & we local native folks have, aptly called it, " Missouri Hole". I am a tug captain, now, & pass over Missouri Hole frequently.
This incident was VERY embarrassing to the U.S. & the USN, especially on the international scene.
It's infamy was even referenced in a BuggsBunny cartoon from a few months after the event, where BuggsBunny says that another character is easier to move than the, "Big Mo', (one of her nicknames), and a cryptical reference to her grounding & how costly in time & money it was to move her.
Thank you for all of your dedication and passion.
Your knowledge, presentation, and delivery is impeccable.
Wisconsin, only because I saw her, one goal on my bucket list is to see all the Iowa class fast battleships! Their awesome and utterly beautiful!
The look on Ryan's face when Meghan says that the XO hadn't been told about the run through the acoustic test area... absolutely priceless, and absolutely on point. How the XO isn't informed of something like this is beyond understanding.
FDR didn't tell Harry Truman anything.
@@jamesvance8456 He was an WW I Army Artillery Officer and the only politician in history with the guts and grit to drop two atomic weapons back to back to end the greatest conflict man had yet to be involved in: Probably the last decent Democrat this country will ever know. Didn't take any crap off Douglas MacArthur either! Politically I could not have supported him or agreed with him but HE WAS ONE HELL OF A MAN and I believe a true American Patriot.
toxic leadership. dude was fired because of it
USS Missouri Stuck in the Chesapeake!! RYAN! Don't be driving the battleship around without adult supervision!
I've had 2 sailboats. Am very experienced @ grounding.
Great to see you again Ryan. Keep up the great work!
This is superb.
You guys are very cool! Thank you
Very interesting incident. Thank you both for this sit down story
Fantastic story!
Good show good info good hosts.
Thanks.
Fascinating! You do such a good job Ryan. It blows my mind how you get all this stuff in what seems like 1 take, not sure if you have notes or whatever but just spot on questions and move along the stories well, and then seem completely done afterwords and transition flawlessly into the outtro. Well done! Thanks for sharing!
Until I found this channel, I had no real appreciation for just how important these ships are to us and our children,etc.. Thanks for doing what you do. Unfortunately, I don't live near any museum ship :( I prefer all Iowas!
Love all the Ship's, this is a great video. I grew up spending lots of time on the bay. Really cool to see these stories.
Yes ! I have been hoping you folks would get around to doing this important video . I read the book " Aground at Thimble Shoals " and would recommend it highly as it tells the full story on how the Missouri went aground as well as the subsequent salvage operation. Thanks to all involved in the making of this video.
Awesome video. Very informative.
Love the shout out to Mr Richard Landgraff, a.k.a. "Rusty Battleship" on the World Affairs board. Man was a wealth of knowledge and his book about the history of the Long Beach Naval Yard is great.
He was part of New Jersey's reactivation in Vietnam, and was in charge of her final reactivation in the 80's.
thanks for sharing this. i remember the incident on IOWA when I was on America in the late 80’s. Lots of history in those IOWA class ships.
Another great video....... Thank you..... You guys should be on PBS....... Happy Holidays
Little Creek Amphibious Base included salvage vessels and other equipment that was used to refloat the Missouri
Fascinating
this would make a great movie!!
I’d read the (former) Captain had recently moved up from submarines…quite a bit of difference between a submarine and an Iowa-class battleship. He’s probably the most ex of ex-captains.
How do you go from a submarine to a BB? Wow. I thought it would have been a more natural progression from a heavy cruiser.
She didn't mention there was a new "Captain Brown" on board and he had no Battleship experience, got the job drinking out the same bottle or playing golf .Would not listen to Navigator or other experienced officers as to which side of bouys to pass on. after this he got a warehouse job in seattle.
@@jth877 should have been
@@jamesvance8456 lol if thats true
@@jamesvance8456 I thought he later became the Captain of the Exxon Valdez.
"...it doesn't get into the inhabitabletable part...". What a story. What a bloody good story. Your audio is getting better Ryan and from a True Virgo I thank you on behalf of all True Virgos, we are the folk who support the machine with no acknowledgement and anonymity is the spiritual foundation of True Virgos. Sometimes we get "paid".
Great Video guys love seeing Missouri's curator with Big J's.
The U.S.S. Missouri Captain in his time of misery was comforted with the thought that President Truman's (the Commander In Chief at the time) home state was.....Missouri.
Neat… thanks for the great video
I just recently visited the USS Iowa museum and my time there was amazing! I hope that I can go visit the 3 other sister ships in the near future!
I look forward to these videos so much. Thank you guys!
Awesome Channel. I love all four ships
I thought I heard. "Battleship", not an Iowa, specifically. Of the non-Iowa preserved ones, there are the: Alabama, Massachusetts, No Carolina, and Texas. I like the Texas, since its the oldest, with old triple expansion engines. Also Ryan didn't mention country, so then you have to add the pre-dreadnought, Mikasa. Poor Mikasa. Set in concrete, and gutted.
What a fabulous wealth of knowledge these two people possess!! And they do it for love of country, we need many many more young Americans like these! Thanks to both of you for dedication to the best of America.
Imperfect men floating imperfect ships, Great Lakes 1000 foot freighters take eight miles to stop from that speed. Mass and inertia are the cruel mistresses of the law of unintended consequences.
I worked on Missouri at Long Beach Naval Shipyard, both in design and shop 11.
Nothing against New Jersey, but the Mighty MO is my favorite just due to her place in history. Both are great to tour!
they are all the same. saw "Iowa" docked beside a carrier at Norfolk. looked like a row boat./
Im quite impressed by the combined knowledge of you both on this topic! Thank you!
I find it amazing they used explosives!
Very Nice!
Nelson class is my fav, but since I have been on the NJ it's her over MO.
I love listening to knowledgeable commentators as is the case in this video.
Nice interview.
Missouri is my fav because I got to visit her twice while she was in Bremerton.
While in the Army in 67 I went through the Army's Harbor Craft Boatswain course (61A10 -> 61B20 -> 61B30) at Ft Eustis on the James River.
One of the things that was drilled into us was to watch the buoys and familiarize yourself with the channel.
Navigating on the landing craft - LCM-8 and LCU - was not too bad as they were designed to operate all the way up to the beach.
The tug boats were different - they had a much deeper draft so it was imperative to stay in the channel.
After Ft Eustis, a group of us went on to Ft Story, VA (at cape Henry) and were trained on amphibious lighters called LARC-V.
My favorite battleship is the Missouri because my grandfather served on her in the mid 50's as a cook.
Your father is Steven Seagal?
@@Rambogner no, however he was a frogman in the early 50s. The frogmen were the predecessors to the seals.
My father was the captains yomen at the time of the grounding. We always talked about the unloading process.
they are now unloading the container ship in the Chesapeake,. (Apr 22)
When I was a young boy I built two battleship models. One was HMS Hood and the other was USS Missouri.
NC is my favorite, I've said why more than a few times but it comes down to she was both my first (despite all but growing up in CT, I've still never seen the Massachusetts) and there used to be pics(lost in a house fire) of both me at 8 and many years later my oldest daughter at 8, at one of NC's AA guns
Wow, that really is impressively grounded.
The Captain still did not believe they were going a ground even when the intakes started pulling in mud.
Very cool
Missouri!
I was on Missouri when she was first opened to the public in Pearl Harbor. I am looking forward to exploring the New Jersey some time soon. I also saw the Wisconsin when I was working in Norfolk . All 3 beautiful ships.
Saw them when they shoved the "Whiskey" where it is now, thought they were going to shove it uptown.
Reminds me of when the USS Denver, LPD9, ballasts down in a kelp bed off San Diego... shutting down Everything!
Then having to be towed back by a cruiser! Yes... the Captain was relieved of duty as soon as we tied up!
As a BT at the time... yes we fought for hours until we ran out of feed water! Having to shut down the last boiler!
Bad day!
I put the FV Genesis aground on Nautilus Shoal (same basic area) back in 07.... makes me feel a little better but as always an excellent job on the video that my you.
I am fond of the Missouri. When I was growing up in Seattle she was in mothballs in Bremerton and visited her several times..
Very interesting story. Thank you both! And no, I'm not going to choose sides. I like the Alabama the best! I'm partial, as I live there. I do love the Iowa class ships, but then again I love ALL of the BB's. Thank you both again! Keep up the great work!
Have walked the USS North Carolina, Alabama and New Jersey. Worked on the Battleship, under President Regan while in college. Awesome vessels
I hope to be able to visit the New Jersey some day... I visited the Lexington yesterday, and unfortunately was disappointed
I'm from Wilmington delaware, I'm a little partial to the New Jersey since I did get to see it pulled up at the Delaware River to Philadelphia before finalized in new jersey. But now that I live in Southwest missouri, Missouri is my favorite along with the New Jersey.
BB-55 USS NORTH CAROLINA is in my hometown of Wilmington NC. She is my favorite.
I’m from Massachusetts so you know what ship I like and I spent a night sleeping in hammocks with my nephews cub scouts troop also saw a movie about the ships history and about the Indianapolis tragedy but when I went to Hawaii I had to go aboard the MIGHTY MO my Father really enjoyed it during WW2 he was in the navy but not on ships he was in the navy air corps on a B24 privateer and a B17 in Pensacola Florida so he really enjoyed it because he wasn’t on ships during his time
Great job collaborate