Simon Jordan and Carl Froch debate Anthony Joshua's boxing LEGACY 💥 | Up Front
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A gold medalist going on to become a two time unified champion whilst beating two other gold medalists along the way doesn't sound like an over achievement to me. Sounds feasible!
fake gold medal, a career of waiting for people to age or get early stoppages
they're hating because no UK boxer has earned as much as AJ
@@fusion454Fury has held all the belts, AJ hasn't.
That doesn’t mean anything as he’s not holding all the belts at the same Time @@VCanisMajorisY
@@VCanisMajorisY what's that got to do with what I just said?
I’ve been watching boxing for over 60yrs and whilst AJ is not at the same level as some of the past greats, he definitely put British boxing back on the global stage and brought back great excitement to boxing in the uk for a while after he turned pro. This is his legacy for me and I believe many fighters and fans alike, a great ambassador for the sport too. Although Carl Froch was a very good fighter, let’s be honest, nobody likes a big-head do they! 🥊
AJ isn't a dignified loser, completely embarrassed himself after the Usyk fight, so I wouldn't say that's being a "great ambassador" for the sport.
No body likes a truth teller, more like
Mugs……….
At this point it’s just pure hate from Froch. Like it or not, AJ will go down as a superstar in British boxing history. He made boxing big again.
Please tell them loud and clear and may God bless you more and more
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I think carls found AJ DMs in his missus phone in the past given the energy towards him 😂😂😂
Fr 😂😂
His tanned son now has an Afro and he’s 6’6” at 14 and Froch has lost it 😂
Has AJ been with your missus or something Carl fella ??
Carl fella? 😂Were you drunk when ya wrote this?
@@Trumpy-2024 what’s it got to do with you 🫣
I think the reason why people thinks Froch is an hater is the consistency of AJ criticism plus the level of details he's willing to go into to make us realise AJ has achieved nothing in boxing.
Froch will briefly criticise other fighters but level of depth Carl is willing to go in when it comes to AJ always comes across like he's bitter. Like deadly bitter.
Legacy or no legacy - it'll take some time for UK for a find our next boxing star that'll capture the imagination of youths, casuals , women and grandmother.
That's what AJ has done for British boxing.
All this boxing podcasts, UA-cam boxing came at the back of growth of boxing booming in AJ's era.
Whenever this type of conversations keeps coming up, let's leave ego out and put fair balance into things
He is bitter; he never achieved what AJ accomplished in boxing.
I think your comment is perfectly fair. I have a feeling that extra level that Carl goes into when discussing AJ (as you pointed out) is mostly due to his (Carl’s) loyalty to Rob McCracken. Ever since AJ separated from Rob it seems Carl has had an extra gear when discussing AJ.
Well said man - he talks about wilder like he’s a true warrior in comparison- when he’s resume is terrible - definitely a hater - and Aj brought back British boxing - his legacy is secure
Agree. I like Carl, and AJ might not be a favourite of mine, but AJ doesn't deserve this constant needling and picking apart. Especially when he's showing he has the guts to try to get back up there.
100% agree
The persona hate is getting petty now. Grow up Froch, stop with the salt.
Froch overachieved and did brilliantly, proper warrior - especially with his limited technical ability. He'll go down as a great British Boxer but AJ will go down as an absolute superstar of World sport.
you should be a comedian 🤣🤣🤣
Aj will always be remembered world wide. Froch will only be remembered by a select few people
absolute bollocks give over will ya 😢
Completely agree. I loved watching Froch fight and supported him every time. But AJ is one of the very very few who will trascend their chosen sport and move into much bigger things. He has built a brand. It's insane to think AJ has overachieved.
Froch....mega superstar In his weight....how can any one say he isn't in AJ's level is talking bollox....this man is a superstar
Seriously . Im not even an AJ fan but Froch has really put me off him. He’s like OBSESSED with the lad!!
One thing you guys don't understand by now is that Froch is using AJ's name to become a TV Popular because he has to hate AJ to earn money and that is the fact here
It was his John fury impression that put me off him. Social media has killed boxing for me, used to a mystery to em and anticipation but social media has shown how petty and how much of a prat alot of em are.
@@SeanPittaway-lb9bg that was banter and John Fury is a 🛎️🔚
Bispin done the same, both did it because they thought they was being clever, boring! And i can't stand furys either. Froch just comes across as a nob. And no, not keen on joshua neither. UA-cam killed boxing for me, shows everyone how insecure and petty they all are.
Starting to think Frosch walked in on his missus with a vibrator and an AJ calendar. This is a disproportionate amount of criticism.
Truth hurts...AJ is not elite.
Aj fought klitschko 2 years after fury, I think everyone forgets that. Yes fury was a better win in terms of performance but aj was raw and young. People speak about how klitschko was a much better fighter against fury than aj. He was either past it in both fights or ajs win was just as impressive. The 2 year gap that people use to justify the disrespect aj gets and credit fury gets is just weird to me
AJ is overrated, that's it. He's been hyped up by the media. Fury gets credit because he has beat Wilder twice, a boxer that was previously unbeaten in 43 fights with 42 knockouts.
@@dandyintheunderworld9972 Wilder beat 1 fringe top 10 fighter in all those fights.
@@solom465 He was still considered very dangerous, many fighters have thought bums, they've not been able to knock them all out though, that's the difference. I don't personally rate Wilder, and after that showing against Parker he should probably retire.
This interview highlights why Carl's YT channel is so popular... He just tells it like it is... Honest, knowledgeable and a bloody nice bloke.
Shades of Tim nice but dim
@@kid--presentable Says the bloke whos name sounds like a rent boy
@@user-co8em1fi5i im sure I wouldn't know about rentboys so I am afraid you have the advantage on me there
😂😂😂coz he is hating on the person you hate
How can he hate women? His mums one
Carl is a breath of fresh air in boxing as a pundit.. zero bs just tells it how it is
He's no Carlos Frampton
He’s ridiculously deluded
AJs legacy in not finished yet, why do these conversations even happen. Carl should know better and Simon doesn't know much about boxing history lets face it. AJ is trying to improve and will win his way to another World Title or more.
Spot on comment discuss legacy's once a careers done!
@@ee11000 3 years ago all AJ talked about was his legacy.
Love Froch on Fighting and always appreciate The Cobra’s directness. However, it does seem that he is carrying a grudge against AJ largely due to AJ’s perceived treatment of Rob McCracken. Not saying his comments about AJ are contentless but it does seem that Carl’s loyalty to Rob has given him some extra “needle” towards AJ.
Honestly I think it's complete lunacy to say AJ has overachieved. Regardless of what way you look at it, to become Heavyweight champion of the world, lose your titles in embarrassing fashion and then have the stones to get back onto your feet and go again to regain your lost titles says A LOT about a character. Fair play AJ. It isn't his fault he came into an era of some of the most skilled Heavyweights there has ever been. Fury and Usyk are insane. But give AJ some credit, he reached the pinnacle and has forged an amazing brand for himself.
Lol
He has.
Are you kidding this era in boxing couldnt compete with the 90's era. Talking out of your arse man. He managed to get knocked out by a fat mexican and only beat him in the rematch cause he played safe and Ruiz had way too many burrito's. Look at who he fought an over the hill Klit then a succesion of nobody's and once he fought fatty who can bang he got found out then usyk completely schooled him not once but twice!!!!!! What makes you think after all that that he can beat Wilder. If usyk can nearly knock him out what the fuck do you think Wilder is going to do lol Man you people live in a dreamland
The Cobra's views aren't always balanced. If he'd have fought decent fighters: Calzaghe, Benn, Eubank, Morrison, Jones, you can talk about legacys' and years to come people will still be talking about AJ, fact!!! You can only beat the fighters that are put in front of you, which is what AJ has always tried to do.
He hasn’t fought Wilder or Fury unfortunately. Which is down to all of them not just AJ.
Froch fought the best fighters in his division and often went overseas to do it. What more do you expect him to do? You can't criticize him for not fighting the people you listed, they had mostly retired or were over the hill by the time he was at world level.
@@chestercopperpot4455 That is not true why didn't he fight Ward Rematch GGG, Stevenson his Mandatory Degale
Nobody cared about the Degale fight and his career went nowhere anyway. Golovkin fight would have been interesting, but he fought in a different weight class, no way Froch could make middle weight unless Golovkin came up a division. Stevenson fought in the division above for most of that time. I don't know why he didn't rematch Ward but at least he fought him. Froch fought the best in his division out there at the time.
@@chestercopperpot4455 stop it, degale became world champion after Froch ducked him and fought against the best in the division and got a draw(badou). he simply ducked GGG he had no problem fighting a shot Taylor who was a career middleweight . he ducked Stevenson so bad he moved up in weight. ducked Ward when he asked for the rematch, how can someone beat you and ask for a rematch and you decline smh
I like Froch but he was asked about Fury he started moaning about AJ again.
Alas wasn’t sat on the sofa for 18 months, he actually went through 2 camps for the fury rematches that never happened so was absolutely not inactive. He was also only out for 17 months.
You're correct. Haters choose to ignore details that don't meet their narrative. Moral of the story is don't over shadow Frochs event at Wembley then later sack his old coach 😂
This guy hates AJ with a passion 😂
Bitter that AJ dumped his best mate
Both Simon and froch have always been aj haters aj full stop has the best resume of any heavyweight out there froch would love to have achieved what aj has
Carl froch was in brilliant fights to watch always really entertaining
I think AJ nailed Froch’ missus , that’s why he has it in for AJ 😂😂😂
GLAZKOV was the guy injured vs charles martin gifting him the vacant title by default, from Ukraine i believe , decent prospect but very small. Szpilka was polish and more accomplished but also small and undersized at hw.
The hate for just one man aj 😅 is hilarious 😂 😅😂 just one man
anthony joshua revied the whole boxing scene, now he has lost the hunger but this guy said lennox lewis was less than holyfield and bowe.
now here we go again
Swear down, Froch he's smoking weed or weed is smoking him before the interview
AJ has the best record over all the heavy weights. Period. 12 title defenses. Yes he is a bit gum shy atm but he is the best of his era
He's a shell of his past self. USELESS!
He beat mostly bums
HHe hasn't beaten an elite HW yet at their peak though has he?
There is too much to unpack here, but honestly, It is cringe listening to the amount of assumptions, false narratives and gynastics comparing legacies. Froch assuming what AJ has gone through in life, why bother making a point when you have no idea.
Saying AJ has overacheived, how exactly? He's the only one who went belt collecting and won and the only one missing was the wbc and the pbc held it hostage.
Jordan saying AJ is a two time and froch is 4? What is he on about? He's counting frochs belts he's had in his career? In that case AJ got 3 of the belts separately, lost them then regained them.
Froch bringing up the wlad win and he was out for 18months or whatever it is, yes and during that time Wlad had two training camps because Fury pulled out twice.
They talk of Parker and Froch says "yes but was he a all time great"??? Lol who is a all time great on Frochs resume?
Then they bring Wilder... honestly have any of these two ever looked at Wilder's resume? If they did they wouldn't be talking.
Froch brings up his close loss to dirrell, yes i watched it and everyone knows you lost that fight and it was a blatent gift decision to the home fighter, it wasnt even close.
Now having said all that, i like frochs career, but stop all the nonsense talk.
You can't just go in there and have an outer body experience that isn't actually an outer body experience if you aim to slug with Wilder or any other fighter in the heavyweight division carl, someone is going lights out. Considering what's on the line, why would AJ be that reckless. We all love the 80's and 90's heavyweight battles, but there's not one of those guys that can speak normally now or when they retired.
All Froch speaks about is AJ he use to do the same with calzaghe
Honest overview from Froch. Both AJ & Fury have done well out of boxing, but if we’re being brutally honest neither of them have legacy status.
Froch would rather have his legacy than 2x heavyweight champion of the world, Olympic gold medal and biggest British earner of all time? Cool
Can’t disagree with anything froch said .
I really enjoy Carl's analysis and views. Great pundit.
AJ hasn't beaten an Elite heavyweight at their PEAK, I don't think that can be disputed.
AJ's "legacy" isn't finished yet. If he beats Wilder in style and Fury Loses to Usyk right away his record is better than Fury's for a start! But his Legacy is turning his life Round winning a gold medal and being a 2 time unified world champion while taking boxing to new heights in Britain! Not shabby at all!
Yeah IF IF IF its a very big IF. You AJ fanboys are deluded. He's a modern day Frank Bruno.
@@user-co8em1fi5itriggered😂😂😂😂
@@user-co8em1fi5iI think Bruno beats AJ, you?
@@DJR1409 I think your right Bruno def had more heart in the fight
Despite being only in 1 division, Joshua still won more titles than Froch.
Behave, Parker was a paper champ as was Martin and the WBA was literally a vacant title. What is his best win? Ward was p4p better than Usyk and he spanked AJ twice. If Ward was 30-40 lbs naturally bigger he would have beaten Usyk.
@@twentytimes6502 says you. He wouldn’t of done anything with those t-Rex arms Usyk is an elite fighter. So was ward but let’s not act like ward wasn’t gifted a decision against kovalev in the 1st fight.
@@twentytimes6502 LOL paper champion, what about bute the biggest paper champion, Froch also beat a past it Kessler who retired after the fight and Jermaine Taylor a career middleweight who is chinny but gave Froch hell, don't fall for the marketing look up who the likes of groves picked up belt against
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Ward is a very dirty fighter. Pretty obvious Dubois tried to mimic Ward's tactics vs Kovalev when he fought Usyk. Good fighter but a shithouse.
Really???? Froch 4 time World champion Your Boyfriend is a 2 time champ Your maths is shocking
It would be good if Mr Jordan let guests finish their sentences!
The minute Joshua split with McCracken & then dared to criticise some of his training techniques….
Froch came gunning for him in every single interview since!!!
There is no way someone can tell me that guy called Froch or what his name is again oh yes Mr Hater. Swear down, Froch is smoking weed or weed is smoking him before the interview
I love Carl, but his views on AJ are biased because of how AJ broke away from McCracken, but Froch has a better legacy
Did you ever see Fury's fight against Steve Cunningham?@@DL_UK
@@DL_UKthat comment is nonsense.. 😅
@@DL_UKstop talking shit. Froch got lucky wins also. Groves 1 and Dirrell beat him at home but got the decision.
Like the way folks have forgotten about Fury going life and death with a MMA fighter.
And Froch is only really known in the UK.
He’s 2 time HW champ and become 3 time he’s rained over the HW division for more than a decade his legacy is waaaaay better than froch
great interview
Froch got a cheek. At least AJ got back in with the fighters he lost to unlike Froch who ran from the Ward rematch cuz he got schooled. AJ has already surpassed Froch ffs 🙄
Agreed on AJ, but not Fury. Fury beat reigning champ Wlad in Germany, and then went on to face the most feared puncher in the division who was unbeaten and in his prime, in his backyard. You can't then diminish the tactics used because Wilder is not a big heavyweight, but then regard 6foot 2 Ali as an all-time great. Wllder was reigning WBC champ. If he beats Usyk, there's nobody else that's a genuine contender. He'll beat Zhang or AJ but everyone will say they were past their best.
LOL wlad was 39 years old when he fought Fury nearly 40, fury was on peds also hence why the rematch didn't happen let's not rewrite history
@@fusion454he was reigning heavyweight champ. 39 or whatever, he outpointed him, won convincingly. As to whether or not he was on peds..innocent until proven guilty. He’s unbeaten and once he beats Usyk there will be nobody else in the division to beat. His legacy will certainly be better than Froch’s(!)
@@AliHussain-fz7pd lol wlad time was coming he was getting too old I give credit but that win is very overrated, what do you mean innocent until proven guilty, do your research Fury was convited for peds and given a two-year ban. uysk beats Fury for my money. I agree he already has a better legacy than Froch.
Lol frochs a plum my favorite part of his career is when andre ward took the mf to school 😂😂😂
Enjoy froch’s content however… the opinions he has on AJ are miles of it! (In my opinion)
Aj would not beat windmill and forget about Fury. He would not beat Zhang or Hergovich.
I’d say aj is on par with frank bruno legacy wise.
Apart from Wilder, tell me which top level fighter was available for AJ to fight between Dillian Whyte and Ruiz. AJ has a better roster than Fury and Wilder.
I don't think any of the current heavyweights can claim a legacy.
Aside from Usyk, the division is just a combination of average Joes, failed American footballers and ex-nightclub doormen.
Carl Froch brings his super- middleweight mentality to the Heavyweight division.
Had he been a heavyweight he’d have found himself in a wheelchair ♿️ 100%
easy to have granite chin as a middleweight. Not so easy as a heavyweight, just ask Joe Joyce.
Froch mentions beating Kessler after he initially lost to hin as part of his legacy. But continuously slatess AJ for losing to Ruiz despite him being a later replacement that he didnt prepare for and also AJ beat Ruiz in the rematch. Same situation good for Frochs legacy but awful for AJ.
Its getting a bit foolish now..
wow he out-talked Simon, that's a legacy right there
"Overachieved" - gifted decisions they shouldn't have got
But he ain’t the only one tho is he
2:30 that's flowstate. Call it whatever you like. But it's pure. Unthinking.
No british heavyweight has achieved what AJ did in his first 20 fights...never ducked anyone,8 title defences ect ect.
Froch has a serious obsession with AJ..god knows why.
Fury's record is a joke,he hand picks his opponents.
AJ fought a well up for it Klitschko, revenged his defeat to Ruiz and fought Usyk when Usyk was in his prime.
Usyk isn't in his prime anymore,and Fury knows it.
Fury has had the easy run of fights over the last couple of years, including Wilder.
Have to agree with Carl Froch here
On everything including Lennox not getting enough Props
But CF is right ,about AJ
Froch didn't have that feeling against Ward
When he was describing that sparring lol. U can tell that actually happened to him
You cant compare people in different weight classes, because heavyerights would beat middleweights in a fight, its like comparing pro golfers with a group that teed off 20 yards closer on every hole. You can have a ranking in your group of competitors, but not be compared with other groups
This is literally why the pound for pound rankings were invented come on man lol
AJ has the best resume compared to the other heavyweights that's a fact
Froch absolute Lengend
Wlad was 41 and 16 months out but clearly not sat on the sofa. Froch hates AJ jealous of Joshua’s success.
I think most appreciate Carls no nonsense approach. Thats why his channel is popular.
I think aj sparked boxing, hes the light of boxing, walks in the room and all eyes are on him, he just glows,
CF needs to give his honest opinion on Fury too. More than he has, Outside of the John Fury rubbish Froch says out loud what Porky Russ says in his videos.
Well this man knows more than me he has Been their wore the te shirt. I can only admire him and accept his acessment as accurate he knows what he is talking . About.
glad to see the kevin sinfield book in the background.,this guy should be knighted he is a real hero.
AJ a Olympic champion and 2 time world champion and renewed the interest in the British heavyweight championship don’t understand why so many pundits put his achievements down AJ never walked around giving it the large one to everyone,unlike Froch
Froch's legacy is better than both fury and AJ's put together. Prove me wrong!
These weren’t your opinions when AJ was with sky & rob frochy!
AJ is just a big lump of tense muscle in the ring
no one outside of boxing knows froch lol but they do know anthony joshua..froch is just a jealous little toad.
I thought I would see a video from Simon/Talksport on the recent AJ performance but theres nothing
regardless of legacy froch is borderline obsessed with AJ at this point
I have to agree with much of what Froch says about AJ … it is just that I wish it wasn’t Froch saying it. With friends/colleagues like Froch, who needs enemies? Whilst AJ is more of an athlete than a brawler/boxer, I really want him to win his next (and possibly last) 3 or 4 fights
Joshua's got the greatest legacy,manlLook he can fan 500,no-one on his level,no one.....!nuff said.
He's an under achiever with his size and athletic gifts. The olympic medalalist high jumper robbie grabarz only JUST beat AJ in the 100m on superstars. That is insane athleticism with his size.
AJ was a great heavyweight champion. He put heavyweight boxing back on the map.
Why bring a guest on just to talk over him???
AJ left Rob Mccracken (Froch's trainer) as Mccrackens advice "relax, relax" was not only useless but damaging.
Anyway this is why Froch is sour because AJ wasn't "loyal" to Mccracken. Plus Froch is just a jealous boy.
Good lord Simon Jordan is a handsome fella, but god doesn't he know it.
Klitchko in Germany you mugs
That Joseph Parker win looks better everyday
Joseph destroyed Wilder.
So who did wilder beat until he fought fury these guy hold. AJ to. A way different standard than the other heavyweights and it's all jealousy because of how much money he has made
9:14 he did say Mike
Froch fought a better standard of fighter than Joshua, Klitschko would have stopped him a few years earlier and he gave up against Ruiz in the first fight and jabbed and ran in the second. He was very lucky to be around in the era he won the title, he wouldn't have been top ten in the nineties 🥊
I don't understand this constant knocking of AJ, it's not like he's coming out mouthing off about his legacy? AJ has weaknesses, he's struggling to get back up there, leave him alone for a while, FFS.
Would you interview CRAWFORD ASHLEY ?
You can’t compare heavyweight to middleweight.Heavyweight is the crème de la creme.Stop talking Carl you’re embarrassing yourself.
Always loved the Cobra.
True warrior not manufactured media savvy money chaser. A fighter first a proper hard man
Tsk tsk tsk, I see what you did there with the sly dig at Fury. You naughty naughty!
@@CombatCinema12 Twas actually at AJ not Fury but hey ho
Whhen you get floored by stan Laurer after being cryogenically defrosted for the occasion,well, that's beyond 3 hip,hips,even if you are a new breed if fighter.. .....
Carl still trying to live off AJs name still. Very bitter since the 90.000 at Wembley
Artur Szpilka?! Lol, wrong guy Frochy
Froch is bitter about the way AJ sacked his friend Robert McCracken.
Oh,dont firget to give him 3 hip,hips....
The loss against Andy Ruiz tells you AJ is not elite.
Is Lennox elite, even though he lost to McCall & Rahman in terrible fashion?
Gonna upset people here, fury lost the first fight. Ref should of stopped it, fury even admitted he doesn’t remember the rest of the fight.