Well done skull trick on me in the opening clip bro. That was actually a bowfa that is corrupted and recolored white to trick people. I suicided there to avoid losing the bow. Love the vids, sucks to be the target though haha. Cheers.
You should make a vid rushing the former stakers that are death matching on pvp/high risk worlds. Would be a grind for clips but ik your up to the task and you could get some insane pks. Nobody else has made a vid on it yet either
Man... I fucking FELT that energy from 7:30 to 8:06, you're so right in knowing that was such a rare thing to happen at all to anyone pvming.. BUT then also being the person pking and then actually catching and killing that player for their loot plus that added rare drop they got. Super satisfying.. I must say that's the most relatable runescape feeling in the world tbh. Dude 😂😂 and then 9:45 to 10:25 😂😂 You really put the best of the best out there when it comes to making this game entertaining.
Of course they will say it's fake because they have never / will never have it happen to them so they can't imagine it being a thing. I got a guy for a freshly dropped dragon pick at ven recently 🤣. Seeing the drop in chat, in their name, makes it 10/10 better lmao.
I mean, it's only given to new players. I got the stupid lizard man. Would really like a leg from shards at some point. 3 months game play and still only Ninja / Alex...
I think it's a good thing they added this to the game. You can't reasonably be expected to realize someone logging in and out with identical stats, gear and name. The fact that skulltricking like that works so well is exactly why people need protecting from it. It's either that or force everyone in the wildy to be skulled always. Skulltricking is borderline scamming imo.
Honestly I think the introduction of an option to avoid skull tricking is one of the best changes that Jagex has implemented for the wildy. First off as a bit of a disclaimer, if you're a pker you'll only care about what I'm about to say if you actually want the wilderness to improve. If you want the wilderness to be super hardcore and exactly the way you see it and you're willing to let it die down to just you and 5 other players then what I'm gonna say wont matter but if you actually want pvp to become a priority for Jagex then I think this argument can help. The main arguments from people defending skull tricking boil down to not wanting the wildy to become less hardcore, blaming the players who get skulltricked for being skulltricked and a hilariously ironic statement about understanding risk which I will explain the irony behind at the end. Firstly the whole less hardcore thing, yeah it's less hardcore...so what? As I first stated if you fall into the category of wanting the wilderness to actually get content and improve Jagex has to feel like the wilderness is worth putting time into, Kieran basically said this straight up in the latest QnA. Less hardcore maybe, more players? Definitely. Secondly and in some ways most importantly, this arrogant condemnation of people who get skulltricked is so ridiculously toxic, imagine playing a game like league of legends and spending your time earning characters to lose in a way you didn't know was possible and the characters you had unlocked to be taken from you. Not everyone has played the game for 15 years and it's the newer players who you need to convince that pvp is both fun and worth doing. Letting someone whos new to the game get skulltricked, lose everything and telling them they're a moron because "anyone" would have known better despite the fact that the only perspective you understand is that of a veteran who has played the game for decades is so ridiculously out of touch. Funny because people accuse Jagex of being out of touch with pvp. Finally to cover the most egregious argument about risk. The statement often goes as such, "it's the wilderness you should know the risk and it's your fault for not understanding the risk". The skull system was created to allow for people who want different levels of risk a gives different levels of power to them. You wanna be able to attack whoever looks the most tasty, you risk everything. You want to be able to defend yourself but not start fights, you risk losing most of your things. It's skull tricking that removes the ability to properly understand what risk you're getting into. People say just turn off attack options but what if I want to have the ability to defend myself, that's what the system was designed for in the first place. It's so much less fun to go into the wilderness and never want to fight back just because I'm scared of some random tactic that might make me lose months of progress. I'm an iron and I will literally be more likely to participate in wildy content with this system in place because it makes the wildy more fun and less random.
RS is has become very pussy game, remember when if you died doing pvm u had like 1minute to get loot back or everyone can loot it. now you just pay 100k or nothing and u get all back. Not saying its right or wrong but definetly more boring. Now when there is not even skull tricking potential the game has no surpirises, you always know what will happen
You research a boss before you go in, you learn Zulrah rotations and etc. in the wilderness it’s the same thing you learn what makes it dangerous ie skull tricks. What you want is to kill easy npcs with almost zero knowledge and be prepared to lose the 100k risk cause that’s what you’re use to as 1 hp said. Since you don’t lose anything in the main game you want the same in the wilderness
@@Josh-xz2fj Not sure if you actually read anything in my comment. Maybe you just read the first line and decided you were gonna set me straight. First off "what you want", stop straw manning, it's a pathetic way of arguing and shows a lack of substance in your point of view, you don't know what I want other than what I've explicitly said. If you have actually read my comment then you completely missed the point I made in the very first paragraph. You and I want different things, so arguing on methods and merits is pointless. I want the wilderness to thrive and have value to the majority of the playerbase, for pking to become something that more people want to do. You're saying you want the wilderness to have more risk and for players to lose more when they die there regardless of their choices on how to play and the only choice on whether they lose anything being based on the choice to go there or not, despite the fact that the majority of the playerbase has already acknowledged that's not how they want the wilderness to be. What you want has lead to the wilderness dying in the first place. The fact that you still want it says that you're willing to let the wilderness end up with just you and a few other players going there as long as you can have your hardcore wildy fantasy.
@@TheGRAclan your whole argument was people being afraid to lose their items they didn’t intend to. This hindering to lack of activity thus leading to lack of content. I simply said if people out the effort of learning escapes or knowing the common tactics such as already using what was in place you wouldn’t get skull tricked. Only players mindlessly click and fight back against get skull tricked. With the left click option off and just using auto retaliate you would never get skull tricked except with chins and barrage. This is fairly common knowledge that is easily obtainable, imagine complaining about jad being too hard cause you couldn’t look up his attack style sounds or animations. I’m just saying they buff drops to bring in pvmers but they don’t wanna know how to survive or keep themselves safe. They wanna make 2-4m an hour and lose a couple hundred k. The wilderness hasn’t been hardcore really for years, you keeping it under the guise makes you seem ridiculous
I think the update is good for people wanting to get into PKing. The risk of being skull tricked isn't fun when you're having to think about 30 other things because you're still learning.
The update doesn't change anything about pvp on a fundamental level. It just makes about 70% of the remaining pker's (skull trickers) vanish. Games in the kino era for PvM'ers and ironmen but its all but dead for pkers.
The skulling mechanics are meant to give an advantage to the attacker and defender; the defender gets to bring better gear because they risk less, and the attacker gets discretion: they get to pick their fights. Skull tricking breaks this intended interaction, and like the BP nerf, it should've been fixed a long time ago. It's not about making the game easier or softer, it's about making pvp in the pvp area work how it was intended to since rsc.
This game is getting easier and more forgiving. I grew up in an age where a tree spirit would attack you in Draynor chopping willows. If you weren't paying attention, you'd die and lose all your items.
They tried to make a brutal and hardcore version of OSRS, pvp everywhere, think it was called Darkscape. The game completely died. Never caught on. There's a reason unforgiving games don't catch on. These changes are good for the game and wilderness
Torvesta makes his videos entertaining and smooth. Its hard to explain but i could binge his content. Your kills are satisfying P.S elite lvl skull tricking
As someone who's never skulltricked, or having been skulltricked: I think it's good that they added the skull prevention system. With it being in the game, it makes the anti-PK option more viable and accessible. Turning more PK'ing into actual back and forth battles, rather than a game of cat and mouse where the mouse puts on a bulwark and constantly chugs brews and restores. The latter option is still there and is just as viable as ever, it's just that the former is a better option now.
It’s actually the best way to survive if you get Tb’d in the Rev Cave. Slows down other persons DPS giving you a much higher chance of survival, to tank the TB.
Back when craw bow first came out I was pking and the guy I was attacking finished killing his rev, he got the craw bow drop but I managed to kill him before he picked it up. I didn’t sell right away I used it myself as I was a ranger tank. I got my own craw bow drop. Best memory ever
I think the new mechanics are good for pking, because the average player who was too afraid to even try fighting back for fear of getting skull tricked will be more willing to give it a try or come prepared to fight back when wilderness bossing.
@@ImpatientRS What advantage lmao? You think some guy with 3 specific items for pmv is gonna be equipped for pvp? This is a laughable argument. Their inventory, spellbook, KO weapon etc will all be wrong regardless. They will have way less dps than even a pker in mystic with minimal risk who isn't completely clueless. The only people who can use this to their advantage are people pretending to do pvm, but are in reality geared for pking which is basically no one. Actually sounds like a good idea, might go test that.
@@jakobtheginger4498 LMAO. exactly! the pker is wearing mystics. Not exactly high risk for the pker. I thought pkers like you wanted more risk. I think this is a put up or shut up kind of deal. You wanna pk? You have to risk something other than a +1.
Lmao I was nearly in this video!!! Thank god for the baby tick box anti skull. Idk how you switched so well in combat but gg you got me Edit:I would have risked craws/ags/ballista as I used claws for spec into ballista, and ags for whack after specs gone
So frankly, I like the update. I never liked skull trick videos as it felt very sneaky, but now I have no moral holdups when people still get skull tricked with the option to never skull in the game. So now, it truly is Darwinism if you get skull tricked.
"Yes! He's an anti pker, this is an easy skulltrick" "Why is wildy PvP dead? Fight back or don't enter the wildy" Love you torv but hopefully you see why this update is a good thing lol
Pkers aren't the brightest folks. They aggressively refuse updates that are good for them. This is why I don't like Jagex's polling system. The average player is a midwit that would make a horrible game developer. Yet, their system makes everyone entitled to their opinion. I'm welcoming more "integrity changes" as they ignore the idiots who think every update is ruining the game that they will continue to obsessively play no matter what changes they make anyways. I think a lot of what we see with complaining about updates is actually just like, video game addicts just being burnt out from the game.
I think this update will actually help revitalize the wilderness. All they need to do now is somehow get rid of clans ability to dragon spear people into multi and I bet a lot more people would be willing to try out the content there. I feel like most players are hesitant to do wildy content not because they know they can be killed by another player, but because they know there is a risk of essentially being scammed out of millions of gp. I've been trying to get into pvp lately but LMS is just an unwinnable bot fest, and half of the clips on youtube I see of wildy pking end with 38 people logging in and dragon spearing the pker into multi and throwing up their cringy clan hash tags. There's really no way for newer players to get into pvp while skull tricking and clans are around.
Clan pkers are trash. I mainly do pvp on osrs but was turned off from clans from the days of RS2. Bunch of losers that spam their clan hashtag and pj newcomers to their clan. Gave up on pk clans been pjed too many times from my own clan so I only go solo. I remember when they had bounty hunter lol I actually quit pking for a while during that point too because it was over run with stupid pk clans.
This legitimately made me change my mind of the whole skulltricking update. That skull trick is just not fair at all I was thinking dressing up as a earth warrior or maybe running south and having another account run up. Logging out on top of the other account is just broken and you can’t reasonably detect that no matter how experienced you are
Tbh if someone did that to me I would instantly tell it’s a skill trick.. sitting where I can’t hit them and then running back at me without trying to hit me. It’s super obvious tbh
I'm really glad that box exists now as a newish player. After spending a year playing and watching all of yours and frameds videos I realized that there's just too many things I don't understand about the game/pking/skulls. I have always refused to take any value into the wildy, and I've refused to ever turn on attack player options because I don't want to get tricked. Now maybe I will start learning to pk, and fight back instead of just being annoyed and a free 100k for pkers.
@@handrubbingmerchant1927 chill bro, the amount of people who actually hunt players in random wildys is very low. The amount of skull trickers is also low lol. Don't think people are gonna abandon the game over this
@@handrubbingmerchant1927 I didn't push for this update? I never once complained. But now that I know exactly what I'm risking when I pk/fight back in much more included to actually learn. Given that, I wouldn't consider it a far stretch to see more people pking, not less.
@@jeef16 look at the game. I've played since 05, its 07 all over again. Shit update after shit update to eventually make "oldschool" rs unrecognizable from what it was in 07. The amount of people in the wildly is low in general because so many people have quit the game.
@@ImpatientRS leaving yourself pretty much defenceless as you can only hit back with auto retaliate, can't switch to a spec weapon etc, skull tricking is slimy behaviour
LOL that was you I remember thinking I almost had you and then realizing the pk skull prevention stopped me from attacking you, you are too clean at switching accs man
Good guy Torv advocating the new setting despite it negatively impacting his ability for personal gain and community content. Can’t wait for your next shenanigans
Personally I'd say skulltricking is one of the reasons why I don't touch anything pvm or pvp related in the wilderness. Lets face it, if it wasn't for the fact that you can use in game gp to get bonds then nobody would care. Most people wouldn't value that gp, but since bonds came to existence now that 5m risk is risking 14 day membership on your account. It equates to money in real life that you would have to spend to play.
That's why I just pay for membership in USD, so I can just treat the fake game currency for what it is. Much rather pay real money, than spend real time doing things I don't like doing in game just so I can afford to play the game.
@@Theviewerdude Ya, it is just too easy to start equating gp to membership, which in turn saves you money overall. I haven't had to pay for membership since they released bonds in runescape 3 and oldschool.
I disagree, call it scummy all you want. The person getting skull tricked should get better game knowledge or stop going to wildy. After all it is the wilderness.
@@djjazzyjeff1232 Just to start, I dont even skull trick so this doesnt effect me dopey. Second off pkers dont complain about the game being dead of pvmers. Most pkers want more pkers to fight. If you need a button to not fall for a skull trick you have bad game knowledge and that's on you.
@@ChobeMoney Pkers want more pkers to fight yes that’s true but not ALL pkers want to fight other pkers some just wanna kill black chin people or rev cave people or stuff. More activity is better, but skill tricking is an exploit more or less in my option. Like a lure is. It’s a different type of a lure.
That segment from 8:04 to 8:33 with the music was LEGENDARY!! Awesome escape there EDIT: I know the music came from Epidemic Sound, but if anyone knows what it's from please tell me, it's really good music
Hello, I want you to know that to answer this question I went and listened to every one of the 750 RS tracks to find it until I realized it wasn't from there and so I found it through asking Siri, which I should have started with lmfao. It's Town Square Parade by Deskant. :)
I think it's a good change. The lengths toxic individuals and groups were going to in order to skull trick people it was getting a tad absurd. Mostly the duplicate accounts with slightly differing usernames. Baiting with animations or impersonating npcs and whatnot seemed fair game to me but the alts with indistinguishable usernames is rather shitty.
I choose to think that this could be a good thing because maybe they're thinking of putting better wilderness content out there so they're preemptively changing the mechanics of the wilderness
@@CYWNightmare nh/bridding brings a lot more skill and strategy into the mix so I enjoy that, but yeah edge style or pvp world, honor style pvp is boring as shit to me. I wish they would tweak the game a bit so hitting on/off pray was just a little bit more rewarding or punishing. That'd remove a lot more rng from the equation.
@@Theviewerdude I've been thinking that same thing about how to limit RNG. Nothing triggers me more than when I lose an LMS fight despite hitting them 70% off pray while they only got me off pray 25% of the time. They could make Prot from Melee not only prevent 40% of incoming melee damage, but also add ~5-10% bonus to your current stab/slash/crush bonuses. Same for the other two overheads with their respective defence bonuses, but only applicable in PVP situations so it doesn't affect PVM like GGs who can hit through prayer. That way, if you're good with anticipating the necessary overhead, RNG would be less of a factor. Could do it on the other end too with piety, rigour, and augury; give each an additional accuracy bonus only applicable in PVP. I think the first option would be better though since predicting what your opponent is going to do is more skill-based than simply making sure you hit rigour before bolting. Also would make staying in your tank gear even more important/effective.
@@davidevans3736 well think about it this way, in most pvm, protect prayers ignore 100% of damage. In pvp, they ignore 40% of damage, and I think they do something for accuracy a little bit too. Those numbers could just be tweaked. Maybe reduce max hit on pray by another 10-15%, decrease accuracy on prayer a little bit, and make the base defense bonuses a little bit lower or base accuracy a little bit higher in pvp, so that when you do hit off pray, it's more rewarding. Just to keep things simple they wouldn't have to actually go in and nerf/buff gear as it is all balanced in PVM. They could just add an invisible multiplier that affects gear equally across the board to defense/accuracy bonuses for when they are being used in pvp. These sorts of changes are perfect to test out in beta worlds.
very good update i hate seeing people quit because they're in experienced and you could argue they would quit for other reasons later on but nothings more frustrating then knowing you lost your stuff to someone else. i think it should have been removed ages ago people shouldnt be able to trick people into getting skulled
@@xavierjimenez2640 that's the point of skulls. Being the aggressor comes with additional risk. Being the defender comes with the risk of almost certainly not being geared as well as the PKer.
skull tricking is literally scamming. it is misleading someone so you can take their items. no different than every other version of scamming. Deterring scammers should never be considered babyfying the game.
@@ZOLTN54 Found the scammer who is upset he can not steal from people and thinks he is cool because he scams people in a browser game. Grow up and get off your Copium. Skull tricking has actively been whats CAUSED the pvp scene to die. Because the very trick Torvesta used in this clip people because afraid of pvp because they go in intending to risk one thing to only find out they where scammed into risking WAY more. This would be like someone figuring out how to make a bank transfer request go where what people thought was a period ended up being a comma so they where giving away way more then they intended.
Thank you jagex for that box, i hated having to right click and make sure peoples names stayed the EXACT same whenever someone walked away from me to make sure, skulltricking is so damn scummy and luckily i noone ever managed to skulltrick me in my 15 years of playing as right after i heard about for the first time i started to be very vigilant with making sure it was the right person i hit after they hit me first
Agree that it's a good edition, disagree that anyone should be banned. Skull tricking was never a bug, it was just a byproduct of a very old combat system. Jagex has known about this for years, but chose not to do anything about it (until now), fear game to the people who took advantage.
As a person who skull tricks on the side, essentially farming revs skulled on one account and scouting joooocy pvmers on another. I actually like the update. Hopefully they start fixing d-spear issues aswell which clans are running rampant with. I'm a solo player enjoying the game while relaxing as it should be. Even though I skull trick I find it stupid that it works
Man I've been watching your videos for a while and I've gotta say, no wonder pking is dead. You and your fellow streamers basically destroyed it. Don't get me wrong, bud. Love your vids. Super entertaining. But yeah, no wonder PvP is dead in RuneScape.
It's a very good update. The whole point of the skull system is to allow the PvMer to fight back, and that concept was broken. Even if funny, skull tricking is hurtful. Personally, I was skull trick lured for dragon claws (with two accounts like in this video). It was not fun at all. It was not my fault. But I had this opinion even before that. When skull tricking, you use funny techniques to get only noobs who don't deserve it, or you use very malicious techniques to get experienced players -- either way that's evil.
Skull tricking is one of many reason why 99% of the game cba with pking 9/10 the pker is a toxic child in a clan everything about pking is toxic.. I don't even care about getting pked or losing items It's the fact they'll kill you wearing no armour wasting both your time. Just to be toxic Or when you want to fight it turn into 1 on 10.. its just toxic and people cba with it
>Talk about how people don't notice being skulled. *later* >Doesn't notice that a guy is already skulled Maybe this anti skull tricking mechanics are a good thing? lol
pkers wonder why no one wants to do wildy content when this is what most of them do. Now that i can fight back without having to worry about losing my items i can turn player attack options back on. i'm for sure doing more wildy content now.
Install Raid for Free ✅ IOS/ANDROID/PC: pl.go-ga.me/vlhuddjb and get a special starter pack 💥 Available only for the next 30 days (Ad)
nice vid now the game is babyscape for sure.
Babyscape sounds about right
tried downloading it didnt get anything...
no
no
Torvesta: "People who get skulltricked are bad at the game and deserve it"
Also Torvesta: "Is that a 3rd age bow?!?!"
When you use : then you dont have to use "
Dude I laughed so hard when he said that
Its a bow if faerdinian, new bow thats like 200m
@@DummieOSRS And he should know that since it's a weapon used by pkers.
@@DummieOSRS you’re a smart guy, aren’t you dummie?
It’s videos like these that make me realize I’m cheering for the villain.
yeah this guy is single-handedly the reason I dont fuck with the wildy at all. I have 0 interest in being chased down by sweats
@@TheJorge100 Hahahahaha W0W
@@isthatasupra4727 hahahahaha w0w
Lmao yooo same
@@tekkgt1506 hahahahaha c0w
Well done skull trick on me in the opening clip bro. That was actually a bowfa that is corrupted and recolored white to trick people. I suicided there to avoid losing the bow. Love the vids, sucks to be the target though haha. Cheers.
Hows torvesta not know what a bofa is
And this is the evidence u need to know its a set up, if u know u know lmfao. 😉 internet makes people go wild with capping.
@@contaim7227 I can assure you it was not set up. I most certainly will never see those items again lol.
U actually cannot assure me. U can convice me, but thats not happening either lol.
@@contaim7227 Everything is a conspiracy, nothing ever happens....
You should try killing Skillspecs with the lowest combat account as possible
Level 50 wilderness on a PVP world
@@hogg156 looool i can see it now "I killed skill specs on a level 3"
@@Sidoxenized he needs to land the finishing blow with a level 3 like the monkey madness jungle demon
@@Whoinvitedthisnibba damn bro Mr mammal had nothing to do with it
@@Sidoxenized possible when he is 1hp dharoking. Imagine the reactiong of skillspecks :D
First guy you killed for claws had Bow of faerdhinen, not 3rd age bow btw
That bugged me 🤣
Lad's probably mad asf that he didnt get the smite. The bowfa is pricy.
@@frankmckenneth9254 I was wondering what name ppl would come up for this thing.. is it really "bowfa" xD
@@sebastiandavidson5289 yea its been bowfa since day 1 lol
@@sebastiandavidson5289 bowfa deez nuts
That fucking relic snipe into 1hp escape escape clip...absolutely legendary
Jagex: We've now made it so you can't be skull tricked
Torvesta: Hold my beer
Torvesta: This is huge.
Charmin ad: This is huge.
You should make a vid rushing the former stakers that are death matching on pvp/high risk worlds. Would be a grind for clips but ik your up to the task and you could get some insane pks. Nobody else has made a vid on it yet either
Cause thats scummy
@@iamrusty8750 and skull tricking isn't scummy?
@@MrShroomed na not really. Just have to be smarter then what your working with.
@@iamrusty8750 who cares, they're in a pvp area risking 1b+, tell me you wouldnt rush them
@@iamrusty8750 You for sure got rushed for 200k once and can't forget about it
Man... I fucking FELT that energy from 7:30 to 8:06, you're so right in knowing that was such a rare thing to happen at all to anyone pvming.. BUT then also being the person pking and then actually catching and killing that player for their loot plus that added rare drop they got.
Super satisfying.. I must say that's the most relatable runescape feeling in the world tbh.
Dude 😂😂 and then 9:45 to 10:25 😂😂
You really put the best of the best out there when it comes to making this game entertaining.
And people still call fake, this is what happens when you play Runescape all day every day. Crazy things happen. Appreciate it, glad you enjoyed
I'd be absolutely fuming if i lost the relic that way
Of course they will say it's fake because they have never / will never have it happen to them so they can't imagine it being a thing. I got a guy for a freshly dropped dragon pick at ven recently 🤣. Seeing the drop in chat, in their name, makes it 10/10 better lmao.
@@TorvestaRS framed has had some of those “how is this not a setup” moments also
I know LMAO I've been on the receiving end before and there's fewer worse feelings
You could hear the despair in Torv's voice when he thought that chain mace guy got away
"SUPER limited edition" character on raid.. given to every single player lol...
I hate it too but torvesta deserves that sponsor money so he can buy back all that GP he loses lmao
Rector isn't garbage. You probably just don't have her build right. I use her everyday for a heal/revive
But he is only given as a login bonus soooo technically he is limited edition and not every player will get it
I mean, it's only given to new players. I got the stupid lizard man. Would really like a leg from shards at some point. 3 months game play and still only Ninja / Alex...
That doesn’t take away from the term limited edition whatsoever.
I think it's a good thing they added this to the game. You can't reasonably be expected to realize someone logging in and out with identical stats, gear and name. The fact that skulltricking like that works so well is exactly why people need protecting from it. It's either that or force everyone in the wildy to be skulled always.
Skulltricking is borderline scamming imo.
Get good kid
You couldn't do it if you tried.
There's no borderline to it it is 100 percent scamming
@@ventic-_-1626 I genuinely don’t think there is anyone on the planet who would not get skull tricked with this method.
Honestly I think the introduction of an option to avoid skull tricking is one of the best changes that Jagex has implemented for the wildy. First off as a bit of a disclaimer, if you're a pker you'll only care about what I'm about to say if you actually want the wilderness to improve. If you want the wilderness to be super hardcore and exactly the way you see it and you're willing to let it die down to just you and 5 other players then what I'm gonna say wont matter but if you actually want pvp to become a priority for Jagex then I think this argument can help.
The main arguments from people defending skull tricking boil down to not wanting the wildy to become less hardcore, blaming the players who get skulltricked for being skulltricked and a hilariously ironic statement about understanding risk which I will explain the irony behind at the end.
Firstly the whole less hardcore thing, yeah it's less hardcore...so what? As I first stated if you fall into the category of wanting the wilderness to actually get content and improve Jagex has to feel like the wilderness is worth putting time into, Kieran basically said this straight up in the latest QnA. Less hardcore maybe, more players? Definitely.
Secondly and in some ways most importantly, this arrogant condemnation of people who get skulltricked is so ridiculously toxic, imagine playing a game like league of legends and spending your time earning characters to lose in a way you didn't know was possible and the characters you had unlocked to be taken from you. Not everyone has played the game for 15 years and it's the newer players who you need to convince that pvp is both fun and worth doing. Letting someone whos new to the game get skulltricked, lose everything and telling them they're a moron because "anyone" would have known better despite the fact that the only perspective you understand is that of a veteran who has played the game for decades is so ridiculously out of touch. Funny because people accuse Jagex of being out of touch with pvp.
Finally to cover the most egregious argument about risk. The statement often goes as such, "it's the wilderness you should know the risk and it's your fault for not understanding the risk". The skull system was created to allow for people who want different levels of risk a gives different levels of power to them. You wanna be able to attack whoever looks the most tasty, you risk everything. You want to be able to defend yourself but not start fights, you risk losing most of your things. It's skull tricking that removes the ability to properly understand what risk you're getting into. People say just turn off attack options but what if I want to have the ability to defend myself, that's what the system was designed for in the first place. It's so much less fun to go into the wilderness and never want to fight back just because I'm scared of some random tactic that might make me lose months of progress. I'm an iron and I will literally be more likely to participate in wildy content with this system in place because it makes the wildy more fun and less random.
RS is has become very pussy game, remember when if you died doing pvm u had like 1minute to get loot back or everyone can loot it. now you just pay 100k or nothing and u get all back. Not saying its right or wrong but definetly more boring. Now when there is not even skull tricking potential the game has no surpirises, you always know what will happen
You research a boss before you go in, you learn Zulrah rotations and etc. in the wilderness it’s the same thing you learn what makes it dangerous ie skull tricks. What you want is to kill easy npcs with almost zero knowledge and be prepared to lose the 100k risk cause that’s what you’re use to as 1 hp said. Since you don’t lose anything in the main game you want the same in the wilderness
@@Josh-xz2fj Not sure if you actually read anything in my comment. Maybe you just read the first line and decided you were gonna set me straight. First off "what you want", stop straw manning, it's a pathetic way of arguing and shows a lack of substance in your point of view, you don't know what I want other than what I've explicitly said.
If you have actually read my comment then you completely missed the point I made in the very first paragraph. You and I want different things, so arguing on methods and merits is pointless. I want the wilderness to thrive and have value to the majority of the playerbase, for pking to become something that more people want to do. You're saying you want the wilderness to have more risk and for players to lose more when they die there regardless of their choices on how to play and the only choice on whether they lose anything being based on the choice to go there or not, despite the fact that the majority of the playerbase has already acknowledged that's not how they want the wilderness to be. What you want has lead to the wilderness dying in the first place. The fact that you still want it says that you're willing to let the wilderness end up with just you and a few other players going there as long as you can have your hardcore wildy fantasy.
Well said!
@@TheGRAclan your whole argument was people being afraid to lose their items they didn’t intend to. This hindering to lack of activity thus leading to lack of content. I simply said if people out the effort of learning escapes or knowing the common tactics such as already using what was in place you wouldn’t get skull tricked. Only players mindlessly click and fight back against get skull tricked. With the left click option off and just using auto retaliate you would never get skull tricked except with chins and barrage. This is fairly common knowledge that is easily obtainable, imagine complaining about jad being too hard cause you couldn’t look up his attack style sounds or animations. I’m just saying they buff drops to bring in pvmers but they don’t wanna know how to survive or keep themselves safe. They wanna make 2-4m an hour and lose a couple hundred k. The wilderness hasn’t been hardcore really for years, you keeping it under the guise makes you seem ridiculous
“F it, enjoy your loot” what a gentleman
Only person I truly felt bad for was the guy who didn’t know to close the looting bag before picking up the relic. 16M lesson right there.
On death, You lose the relic wherever she is on you
Technically he didn't lose 16mil, just never really got it
Genuinely felt for the dude with the relic drop lol
Yeah, that dude probably just quit right then and there
@@bable6314 how much gp is that?
I think the update is good for people wanting to get into PKing. The risk of being skull tricked isn't fun when you're having to think about 30 other things because you're still learning.
people like you are ruining the game
noob friendly game now lmao
Games gone to sht
@@urnotgoodxd ikr, not being able to scam people really ruins the game lmao
The update doesn't change anything about pvp on a fundamental level.
It just makes about 70% of the remaining pker's (skull trickers) vanish.
Games in the kino era for PvM'ers and ironmen but its all but dead for pkers.
@@urnotgoodxd "Why is wildy so empty?"
The skulling mechanics are meant to give an advantage to the attacker and defender; the defender gets to bring better gear because they risk less, and the attacker gets discretion: they get to pick their fights.
Skull tricking breaks this intended interaction, and like the BP nerf, it should've been fixed a long time ago.
It's not about making the game easier or softer, it's about making pvp in the pvp area work how it was intended to since rsc.
Facts
I think skull tricking is bad for players overall, but fun content to watch.
that was a recolor bow of faerdhinen lmao
This game is getting easier and more forgiving. I grew up in an age where a tree spirit would attack you in Draynor chopping willows. If you weren't paying attention, you'd die and lose all your items.
True
Every thing is soft nowadays.
Because of crying pvmers and ironman
It'd make your day finding a loot pile from someone who AFK'd to a random event
i would always get excited when an evil chicken spawned, and try to kill it. didn't end well.
They tried to make a brutal and hardcore version of OSRS, pvp everywhere, think it was called Darkscape.
The game completely died. Never caught on. There's a reason unforgiving games don't catch on. These changes are good for the game and wilderness
Torvesta makes his videos entertaining and smooth. Its hard to explain but i could binge his content. Your kills are satisfying
P.S elite lvl skull tricking
As someone who's never skulltricked, or having been skulltricked: I think it's good that they added the skull prevention system. With it being in the game, it makes the anti-PK option more viable and accessible. Turning more PK'ing into actual back and forth battles, rather than a game of cat and mouse where the mouse puts on a bulwark and constantly chugs brews and restores. The latter option is still there and is just as viable as ever, it's just that the former is a better option now.
100%. It should also create a new wave of nooby anti-pkers for Torv to take advantage of
Good point yeah
I could be fucked to fight back when there's zero risk to being skulled. You're already at a massive advantage with gear and experience.
It’s actually the best way to survive if you get Tb’d in the Rev Cave. Slows down other persons DPS giving you a much higher chance of survival, to tank the TB.
But if they have a massive advantage in gear u can have a massive advantage in having very low risk and maybe veng ags them
That dude probably cried after he lost his relic
torvesta so pro, he can skulltrick an already skulled person :D
Back when craw bow first came out I was pking and the guy I was attacking finished killing his rev, he got the craw bow drop but I managed to kill him before he picked it up. I didn’t sell right away I used it myself as I was a ranger tank. I got my own craw bow drop. Best memory ever
I think the new mechanics are good for pking, because the average player who was too afraid to even try fighting back for fear of getting skull tricked will be more willing to give it a try or come prepared to fight back when wilderness bossing.
that is bad... pepole stack 4 insane items and risk d hide, but will destroy any pker in mystics
Risking less than somebody who is pking and having that big of an advantage is far from good for the wilderness.
@@ImpatientRS What advantage lmao? You think some guy with 3 specific items for pmv is gonna be equipped for pvp? This is a laughable argument. Their inventory, spellbook, KO weapon etc will all be wrong regardless. They will have way less dps than even a pker in mystic with minimal risk who isn't completely clueless.
The only people who can use this to their advantage are people pretending to do pvm, but are in reality geared for pking which is basically no one. Actually sounds like a good idea, might go test that.
@@jakobtheginger4498 LMAO. exactly! the pker is wearing mystics. Not exactly high risk for the pker. I thought pkers like you wanted more risk. I think this is a put up or shut up kind of deal. You wanna pk? You have to risk something other than a +1.
@@ChindlerBong you clearly don't step out in the wilderness to get bolt ragged
That relic did get you the like, Torvesta. Keep at it, bro. Excellent content. 😘
Lmao I was nearly in this video!!! Thank god for the baby tick box anti skull. Idk how you switched so well in combat but gg you got me
Edit:I would have risked craws/ags/ballista as I used claws for spec into ballista, and ags for whack after specs gone
that 1 hp flower escape.. gets me every damn time dude.
So frankly, I like the update. I never liked skull trick videos as it felt very sneaky, but now I have no moral holdups when people still get skull tricked with the option to never skull in the game. So now, it truly is Darwinism if you get skull tricked.
Don’t even play anymore but still watch torv 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽 killing it still bra
"Yes! He's an anti pker, this is an easy skulltrick"
"Why is wildy PvP dead? Fight back or don't enter the wildy"
Love you torv but hopefully you see why this update is a good thing lol
This is a dumb update, this update is like using training wheels on a bicycle as an adult.
@@lilsherpa949 skulling is a mechanic to dissuade aggression, not for you to get easy loot by switching accounts on the same tick. Cry more.
@@flybackrs 100% copium.
@@flybackrs don’t forget your helmet when you walk out the door today sir. Don’t want you to hurt yourself out there.
Pkers aren't the brightest folks. They aggressively refuse updates that are good for them.
This is why I don't like Jagex's polling system. The average player is a midwit that would make a horrible game developer. Yet, their system makes everyone entitled to their opinion. I'm welcoming more "integrity changes" as they ignore the idiots who think every update is ruining the game that they will continue to obsessively play no matter what changes they make anyways.
I think a lot of what we see with complaining about updates is actually just like, video game addicts just being burnt out from the game.
When you escaped the flower guy w/ 1hp I liked the video, damn
It's a step to try and get more people into pvp.
If you don't like that then you don't want pvp to be more active. Simple as that.
Smoking a blunt then watching torvesta is the best
I think this update will actually help revitalize the wilderness. All they need to do now is somehow get rid of clans ability to dragon spear people into multi and I bet a lot more people would be willing to try out the content there. I feel like most players are hesitant to do wildy content not because they know they can be killed by another player, but because they know there is a risk of essentially being scammed out of millions of gp. I've been trying to get into pvp lately but LMS is just an unwinnable bot fest, and half of the clips on youtube I see of wildy pking end with 38 people logging in and dragon spearing the pker into multi and throwing up their cringy clan hash tags. There's really no way for newer players to get into pvp while skull tricking and clans are around.
If ya cant win from lms bots dont go in wilderness
Cry baby
If you are good enough Lms bots are free kills. I've seen good pkers just 1 tick attack them to death every time
@@accidentalgenius8252 yup LOL LMS bots are terrible. People don’t understand ticks 😂
Clan pkers are trash. I mainly do pvp on osrs but was turned off from clans from the days of RS2. Bunch of losers that spam their clan hashtag and pj newcomers to their clan. Gave up on pk clans been pjed too many times from my own clan so I only go solo. I remember when they had bounty hunter lol I actually quit pking for a while during that point too because it was over run with stupid pk clans.
So when torvesta said this is huge, a charmin ultra toilet paper commercial came on and the first thing it says was “that’s huge”
This legitimately made me change my mind of the whole skulltricking update.
That skull trick is just not fair at all I was thinking dressing up as a earth warrior or maybe running south and having another account run up.
Logging out on top of the other account is just broken and you can’t reasonably detect that no matter how experienced you are
Or just pay attention lol
theyre still in the wildy
Tbh if someone did that to me I would instantly tell it’s a skill trick.. sitting where I can’t hit them and then running back at me without trying to hit me. It’s super obvious tbh
Agreed, this is dirty
That’s why when we were kids we’d take 1 good item to the wildy
pks 86m:
pks 16m: thats the best one!!!
I'm really glad that box exists now as a newish player.
After spending a year playing and watching all of yours and frameds videos I realized that there's just too many things I don't understand about the game/pking/skulls. I have always refused to take any value into the wildy, and I've refused to ever turn on attack player options because I don't want to get tricked.
Now maybe I will start learning to pk, and fight back instead of just being annoyed and a free 100k for pkers.
Thanks to people like you who like cancerous updates like this you'll be left to play the game alone. You wanna learn to pk? Go to lms dude
@@handrubbingmerchant1927 chill bro, the amount of people who actually hunt players in random wildys is very low. The amount of skull trickers is also low lol. Don't think people are gonna abandon the game over this
@@handrubbingmerchant1927 I didn't push for this update? I never once complained. But now that I know exactly what I'm risking when I pk/fight back in much more included to actually learn.
Given that, I wouldn't consider it a far stretch to see more people pking, not less.
@@handrubbingmerchant1927 cringe
@@jeef16 look at the game. I've played since 05, its 07 all over again. Shit update after shit update to eventually make "oldschool" rs unrecognizable from what it was in 07. The amount of people in the wildly is low in general because so many people have quit the game.
When Torvesta can’t tell a Bofa from a Third Age Bow LOL
IMO great update. mechanics being confusing and complex for new players is bad. also the first kill was bowfa
? Player attack options exist if you dont want to skull dont hit a player or turn them off. Literally nothing complex or confusing about that.
@@ImpatientRS leaving yourself pretty much defenceless as you can only hit back with auto retaliate, can't switch to a spec weapon etc, skull tricking is slimy behaviour
@@piez122 How dare you not want to just stand there and eat food while I attack you!
@@piez122 Yea, guy above you doesn't exactly understand how the game works, lol
LOL that was you I remember thinking I almost had you and then realizing the pk skull prevention stopped me from attacking you, you are too clean at switching accs man
Of course a UA-camr would dislike the idea of skull tricking being removed.
any person that has an IQ over 73 would agree its a bad update
Its actually hilarious how much i love seeing the raid ads because i know you're gettin paid
Good guy Torv advocating the new setting despite it negatively impacting his ability for personal gain and community content. Can’t wait for your next shenanigans
Ready to watch another POG torvesta vid!
Waiting for another pog shade stream
Personally I'd say skulltricking is one of the reasons why I don't touch anything pvm or pvp related in the wilderness. Lets face it, if it wasn't for the fact that you can use in game gp to get bonds then nobody would care. Most people wouldn't value that gp, but since bonds came to existence now that 5m risk is risking 14 day membership on your account. It equates to money in real life that you would have to spend to play.
That's why I just pay for membership in USD, so I can just treat the fake game currency for what it is.
Much rather pay real money, than spend real time doing things I don't like doing in game just so I can afford to play the game.
@@Theviewerdude Ya, it is just too easy to start equating gp to membership, which in turn saves you money overall. I haven't had to pay for membership since they released bonds in runescape 3 and oldschool.
@@Renounce_Darkness Same bro, haven't paid for membership in months. It's just so much easier to make 6 mil in game in a day and save my real money.
To this day , still watch all your vids and still the best RuneScape player. Love the vids
Keeping my skulltrick box unchecked so people who don't suck at pvp can still have fun.
Taking one for you guys, enjoy my sweet loot
8:26 that was pure genius
Skull tricking is taking advantage of a person, while it is fun to watch. It's scummy.
It's akin to exploiting bugs in my opinion. It shouldn't be a thing.
I disagree, call it scummy all you want. The person getting skull tricked should get better game knowledge or stop going to wildy. After all it is the wilderness.
@@ChobeMoney “Stop going to Wildy” I thought you guys always bitch about the wilderness being dead? Nice solution dopey.
@@djjazzyjeff1232 Just to start, I dont even skull trick so this doesnt effect me dopey. Second off pkers dont complain about the game being dead of pvmers. Most pkers want more pkers to fight. If you need a button to not fall for a skull trick you have bad game knowledge and that's on you.
@@ChobeMoney Pkers want more pkers to fight yes that’s true but not ALL pkers want to fight other pkers some just wanna kill black chin people or rev cave people or stuff. More activity is better, but skill tricking is an exploit more or less in my option. Like a lure is. It’s a different type of a lure.
"why is he using a 3rd age bow.... I have so many questions" lmfao I specs I out here fuckin balling
I think pvp should be deceptive only in the aspects of combat. As in like hiding a weapon or using and uncommon spec like the Ancient GS.
That segment from 8:04 to 8:33 with the music was LEGENDARY!! Awesome escape there EDIT: I know the music came from Epidemic Sound, but if anyone knows what it's from please tell me, it's really good music
Hello, I want you to know that to answer this question I went and listened to every one of the 750 RS tracks to find it until I realized it wasn't from there and so I found it through asking Siri, which I should have started with lmfao. It's Town Square Parade by Deskant. :)
So many people malding over the fact you can’t scam people in the wilderness anymore I love it
skull tricking with the new mechanic is actually more entertaining lol
I think it's a good change. The lengths toxic individuals and groups were going to in order to skull trick people it was getting a tad absurd. Mostly the duplicate accounts with slightly differing usernames. Baiting with animations or impersonating npcs and whatnot seemed fair game to me but the alts with indistinguishable usernames is rather shitty.
“Toxic individuals” wah wah
That save from 8:16 was insane
Add begins 2:32 and ends at 4:03. You're welcome fellas.
The guy you got for that emblem is never leaving Lumbridge again in his life. Huge oof.
I choose to think that this could be a good thing because maybe they're thinking of putting better wilderness content out there so they're preemptively changing the mechanics of the wilderness
copium
Lmfao the insta skull for the free raids stuff was hilarious
Skulltricking is a bad mechanic, hopefully people will now do more pvp without being scared of losing all their items.
@@CYWNightmare nh/bridding brings a lot more skill and strategy into the mix so I enjoy that, but yeah edge style or pvp world, honor style pvp is boring as shit to me.
I wish they would tweak the game a bit so hitting on/off pray was just a little bit more rewarding or punishing. That'd remove a lot more rng from the equation.
@@Theviewerdude I've been thinking that same thing about how to limit RNG. Nothing triggers me more than when I lose an LMS fight despite hitting them 70% off pray while they only got me off pray 25% of the time.
They could make Prot from Melee not only prevent 40% of incoming melee damage, but also add ~5-10% bonus to your current stab/slash/crush bonuses. Same for the other two overheads with their respective defence bonuses, but only applicable in PVP situations so it doesn't affect PVM like GGs who can hit through prayer. That way, if you're good with anticipating the necessary overhead, RNG would be less of a factor.
Could do it on the other end too with piety, rigour, and augury; give each an additional accuracy bonus only applicable in PVP. I think the first option would be better though since predicting what your opponent is going to do is more skill-based than simply making sure you hit rigour before bolting. Also would make staying in your tank gear even more important/effective.
@@davidevans3736 well think about it this way, in most pvm, protect prayers ignore 100% of damage. In pvp, they ignore 40% of damage, and I think they do something for accuracy a little bit too.
Those numbers could just be tweaked. Maybe reduce max hit on pray by another 10-15%, decrease accuracy on prayer a little bit, and make the base defense bonuses a little bit lower or base accuracy a little bit higher in pvp, so that when you do hit off pray, it's more rewarding.
Just to keep things simple they wouldn't have to actually go in and nerf/buff gear as it is all balanced in PVM. They could just add an invisible multiplier that affects gear equally across the board to defense/accuracy bonuses for when they are being used in pvp.
These sorts of changes are perfect to test out in beta worlds.
5:05 that dude was already skulled. Enjoyed the video anyway man
Props to Torvesta for tricking the no skull trick system.
You mean tricking the fools not ticking the no skull trick system right?
5:00 skull trick worked so well that he was already skulled before getting skull tricked Oo
Seeing all those people not get skull tricked because they ticked a box is giving me so much life.
Yes this is satisfying.
We'll still be taking your spades
@@Jin-lx7or Can't take my spade if I don't risk it.
What are you gonna do? Skulltrick me? 👀
Love these vids brother! Fantastic content
Eh, as much as i love the content, skulltricking needed to go. Its fun but scummy as fuck.
Amazing content man I was glued to my phone the whole episode.
very good update i hate seeing people quit because they're in experienced and you could argue they would quit for other reasons later on but nothings more frustrating then knowing you lost your stuff to someone else. i think it should have been removed ages ago people shouldnt be able to trick people into getting skulled
Wow tovesta upload Friday night just got a whole lot better!!!
I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW JAGEX WOULD MAKE THE WILDERNESS A SAFER PLACE.
It's not safer, PvMers still die just as easily. It's just more dangerous for PKers now, since more PvMers will fight back. Isnt that a good thing?
@@zc630 they will fight back but none of em skulled
@@xavierjimenez2640 that's the point of skulls. Being the aggressor comes with additional risk. Being the defender comes with the risk of almost certainly not being geared as well as the PKer.
Video was sick! More of these bro😂
skull tricking is literally scamming. it is misleading someone so you can take their items. no different than every other version of scamming. Deterring scammers should never be considered babyfying the game.
You definitely drink warm milk before bed
@@ZOLTN54 Found the scammer who is upset he can not steal from people and thinks he is cool because he scams people in a browser game. Grow up and get off your Copium. Skull tricking has actively been whats CAUSED the pvp scene to die. Because the very trick Torvesta used in this clip people because afraid of pvp because they go in intending to risk one thing to only find out they where scammed into risking WAY more. This would be like someone figuring out how to make a bank transfer request go where what people thought was a period ended up being a comma so they where giving away way more then they intended.
Thank you jagex for that box, i hated having to right click and make sure peoples names stayed the EXACT same whenever someone walked away from me to make sure, skulltricking is so damn scummy and luckily i noone ever managed to skulltrick me in my 15 years of playing as right after i heard about for the first time i started to be very vigilant with making sure it was the right person i hit after they hit me first
No-skull option is a fantastic addition, but not enough
Skull trick scammers should also be banned
Agree that it's a good edition, disagree that anyone should be banned. Skull tricking was never a bug, it was just a byproduct of a very old combat system. Jagex has known about this for years, but chose not to do anything about it (until now), fear game to the people who took advantage.
I got a friggen UA-cam RSL ad the SECOND you got the relic kill. Jfc I almost thought you had finessed a RSL ad that damn bad 😂
Gone are the days of kids learning internet street smarts from RuneScape… training wheels and t helmets for everyone. RIP
Experienced players were the main victims of skull tricking...
As a person who skull tricks on the side, essentially farming revs skulled on one account and scouting joooocy pvmers on another. I actually like the update. Hopefully they start fixing d-spear issues aswell which clans are running rampant with. I'm a solo player enjoying the game while relaxing as it should be. Even though I skull trick I find it stupid that it works
Man I've been watching your videos for a while and I've gotta say, no wonder pking is dead. You and your fellow streamers basically destroyed it. Don't get me wrong, bud. Love your vids. Super entertaining. But yeah, no wonder PvP is dead in RuneScape.
I didn’t want that video to end lol
Good riddance to skull tricking. People will defend it out of nostalgia or "easyscape" but it was straight up an unhealthy game mechanic
As someone who plays raid, it'd absolutely insane they advertise the hydra like you can even attempt it until at least mid game
It's a very good update. The whole point of the skull system is to allow the PvMer to fight back, and that concept was broken. Even if funny, skull tricking is hurtful. Personally, I was skull trick lured for dragon claws (with two accounts like in this video). It was not fun at all. It was not my fault. But I had this opinion even before that. When skull tricking, you use funny techniques to get only noobs who don't deserve it, or you use very malicious techniques to get experienced players -- either way that's evil.
I actually like this change. I'm actually going to attack people back in the Wilderness now, rather than just trying to run.
4:05 to skip the annoying Ad ...
Bro...that relic at 7:30 is absolutely nuts. Unskulled as well 😂
Game gets worst everyday great video torvesta
Dam you did him dirty for that relic
Skull tricking is one of many reason why 99% of the game cba with pking
9/10 the pker is a toxic child in a clan everything about pking is toxic..
I don't even care about getting pked or losing items
It's the fact they'll kill you wearing no armour wasting both your time. Just to be toxic
Or when you want to fight it turn into 1 on 10.. its just toxic and people cba with it
Yea calling in clans is just pathetic. That killed wildy pking for me
>Talk about how people don't notice being skulled.
*later*
>Doesn't notice that a guy is already skulled
Maybe this anti skull tricking mechanics are a good thing? lol
Now it’s impossible to get scammed in a trade and getting rid of skull tricking.. these are what taught us not to be an idiot back in 2008😂
@riley I’m confused
@riley You make sense mate
It would not be a torvesta video if he didn’t die and love the videos man
pkers wonder why no one wants to do wildy content when this is what most of them do. Now that i can fight back without having to worry about losing my items i can turn player attack options back on. i'm for sure doing more wildy content now.
Good to hear