Battle of the Kalka River, 1223 AD

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  • @HistoryMarche
    @HistoryMarche  4 роки тому +64

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    • @user-bw4ec4bm2t
      @user-bw4ec4bm2t 4 роки тому +1

      What a coincidence you uploaded this i just heard about the battle lately, nice vid!

    • @Mohammadkwt
      @Mohammadkwt 4 роки тому +1

      Hello HistoryMarche, I would like to suggest following battles: the sixth crusade, seventh crusader, & liberation of Jerusalem under Salahddin’s command.

    • @ДанилоДанник
      @ДанилоДанник 4 роки тому +5

      Dear HistoryMarche, if you call yourselves history chanel, then please, use historically accurate names (not Kiev but Kyiw, not Russian principalities, but Kyiwan Rus and other) thank you for understanding

    • @olexandrs6639
      @olexandrs6639 4 роки тому +2

      U confuse RUS' and Russians.
      russians did not existed till 18th century when Peter I The Great created Russian empire which were based on Muscovite Tsardom.

    • @skov1949
      @skov1949 4 роки тому +2

      Could you do more battles with Ghengis Khan? Loved this video!

  • @aaronsales3185
    @aaronsales3185 4 роки тому +518

    Love that the one leader of the Russians who thought they shouldn't attack was killed in battle, but the two that wanted to fight managed to escape. Life is so fair...

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 4 роки тому +52

      In total fairness, the Rus didn't want to fight this battle anyway. The justification used was that if the Mongols weren't defeated here, the Cumans would inevitably join them in an anti-Rus alliance.
      Sort of what happened anyway, but the Mongols as we know them wasn't how the Rus knew them.

    • @smith9157
      @smith9157 3 роки тому +29

      Very similar case at the battle of Cannae, two consular armies each led by a consul they took turns each other day being in charge of the whole army. One consul wanted to attack the other didn’t. Just waited a day attacked and then escaped while his other consul Lucius died along with majority of his army.

    • @frankmayse9336
      @frankmayse9336 2 роки тому

      @@xotl2780 q

    • @francescoruggiero7140
      @francescoruggiero7140 2 роки тому +2

      Same situation at Cannae. Romans vs Carthaginians.

    • @AXharoth
      @AXharoth 2 роки тому +7

      this shit was depressing

  • @nicbahtin4774
    @nicbahtin4774 4 роки тому +223

    Genghis khan: "maybe the real treasure is the kingdoms we destroyed along the way"

    • @jantekjantek
      @jantekjantek 3 роки тому +9

      more like kublaikhan

    • @johnnyboy3410
      @johnnyboy3410 2 роки тому

      how ? Kublai Khan just conquered China, single kingdom while Genghis made it to fucking Persia

  • @FirstLast_Nba
    @FirstLast_Nba 4 роки тому +262

    I've never seen such a clear explanation of this battles history, well done.

    • @Wickwok
      @Wickwok 4 роки тому +5

      Should listen to Dan Carlin’s podcast series wrath of the khans. It’s very good, as is this!

    • @no-hn1pn
      @no-hn1pn 4 роки тому +2

      @@Wickwok it brought me here.

    • @alphaomarbarry6511
      @alphaomarbarry6511 2 роки тому +1

      This man knows how to explain history good i love his Chanel

  • @maapata
    @maapata 4 роки тому +171

    Being an envoy is much safer career than being a soldier they told me..

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 4 роки тому +8

      Maybe not. The Mongols lost a lot of men and horses while they were crossing the caucasus into Europe

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 3 роки тому +9

      @@xotl2780 The envoys had to cross too...

    • @thatWanderingSoul
      @thatWanderingSoul 2 роки тому +12

      Entering a proud sovereign foreign court and making unreasonable demands on behalf of their Khan. Those envoys must have balls of steel 😂😂

    • @Algee-kn9jh
      @Algee-kn9jh Місяць тому

      @@xotl2780mongols devastated chechens and made them slave .

  • @googane7755
    @googane7755 3 роки тому +83

    People always think they're wiser with hindsight and wonder why in some battles a general falls for an 'obvious' feigned retreat. This video perfectly encapsulates just how convincing and how easy it is to fall for a well executed feigned retreat actually is. Think about it, the enemy is fleeing before you, you seem to win every engagements with them and they look like they completely lost all cohesion and morale as they scatter in all directions and leave all their valuables behind, victory is within reach and your men seem to get ever more excited to chase them down. Even if you knew despite all this and had the better judgement to stop, you'll get ridiculed for squandering the opportunity and labelled as a coward. It's almost human nature.

    • @13redlion13
      @13redlion13 2 роки тому +17

      not to mention that it is very easy to control some units on a map. It's a lot different controlling an army of 80000 individuals

    • @FishingNature87
      @FishingNature87 4 місяці тому +1

      This is why in these times the absolute desecration of the losing army and civilians can be a detriment. As a small army can draw you into going for the same thing you always do and when your into total destruction mode racing around to catch up to whoever running and scattering you also become scattered and vulnerable if the large force is cohesive and ready to bring down pain upon you from all sides. Which is rightfully deserved because of your own policies. A smart general (king) prince will use your normal strength and normal practices against you .

    • @Algee-kn9jh
      @Algee-kn9jh Місяць тому

      What did you expect ? Even mongols themselves fell for feigned retreat sometimes against each other .

  • @adrian-vasilebud4444
    @adrian-vasilebud4444 4 роки тому +61

    I finally understood how this battle went, I have read a few times over the years about it, I watched the small K&G part dedicated to her, but only now I understand, thank you History Marche

  • @ElBandito
    @ElBandito Рік тому +20

    All of this is wild knowing that the Mongols were complete strangers to this land, and they were basically just a recon force.

    • @TonyButter9
      @TonyButter9 6 місяців тому +9

      Any army led by Subotai is a force of destruction

  • @LogicalHistorian
    @LogicalHistorian 4 роки тому +126

    Battle of Kalka is one of the most talked battle and clearly shows the tactical genius of Subutai.

    • @BudMasta
      @BudMasta 2 роки тому +9

      in the top 5 generals of history.

    • @Orgil.
      @Orgil. 2 роки тому +14

      fun fact Subeedei is not in charge Zurgaadai(JEBE) is the real deal he was teacher and commander of Subeedei

    • @johnnyboy3410
      @johnnyboy3410 2 роки тому

      No

    • @lemonacidrounds7293
      @lemonacidrounds7293 2 роки тому

      Yeah but it doesn't make sense. What the Mongols did they could've done it at 10:57 . I didn't see much change in their army later when they won the battle. They are the same size. The positioning of the Russian army was the same the entire time - marching like a train. Part of the army leading, part of the army following, followed by another part followed by another part. Everything was literally the same - there was a narrow space with a river on both fronts. Does retreating gives courage to attack later?

    • @TrollDragomir
      @TrollDragomir 2 роки тому

      @@lemonacidrounds7293 Maybe they considered crossing Kalka as getting to a "safe zone" from which they could more easily retreat east back to the Mongol Empire (note that this was a raid, hit and run tactics and not really an invasion). Another thing is that they may have suspected that the Cuman-Rus army has trouble with cohesion, and counted on them being more disorganized and demoralized after a long, fruitless chase. And maybe the terrain was more favorable there in ways which map doesn't show.

  • @mongol100mongol3
    @mongol100mongol3 2 роки тому +22

    Jebe(Zev in Mongolian language) was the overall commander of this campaign. he was higher ranking general than Subutai(Subedei) and he was the one of best general of Chingis khaan if not best. but died during Russian campaign.

  • @umjackd
    @umjackd 4 роки тому +300

    The Georgians were lucky that they were preparing for a Crusade when the Mongols showed up. So there wasn't the usual time needed for mustering and training, they were as ready as they ould be, considering a strange unknown army showed up on their doorstep.
    And still were defeated.

    • @makky6239
      @makky6239 4 роки тому +76

      They were mongols after all, great empires like China and persia were defeated, what little Georgia could have done? At least they resisted some time, and the Mongols gave them a place in the sack of Baghdad Lol

    • @g.sergiusfidenas6650
      @g.sergiusfidenas6650 4 роки тому +17

      That explains why they managed to field such a large army, lucky them I guess all things considered. Not sure why but it reminds me of the story of some Hungarian missionaries that travelled to the lands their people had come from centuries before to preach there, then they returned home and then back again to the steppe lands of the Magyars only to find then devastated by the Mongols, I guess to me both show the terror of being attacked by unknown nigh invincible warriors, no wonder they were called the Scourge of God.

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 4 роки тому +71

      The Georgians were fully mobilised for the crusade and had amassed a large number of heavy cavalry. It is speculated that the Georgians could've been the turning point in the fifth crusade as the crusaders waited for Georgian reinforcements that never came. Queen Rasudan would later write to the pope that the georgia was unable to participate as the georgian army was decimated by a mysterious horde.

    • @nomooon
      @nomooon 4 роки тому +11

      @@makky6239 defeated for different reasons. The Asian armies at that time were weak, and cannot go toe to toe with the Mongolians. The Europeans armies were powerful and would've beaten Mongolians in a direct fight, but the Europeans were not well disciplined and unable to cope with steppe tactics.

    • @qus.9617
      @qus.9617 4 роки тому +31

      @@nomooon Why do you say Asian armies were weak at that time. Everything I have read suggest a differest story. The scope of warfare and mobilisation of resources in Asia was unprecedented at the time compared to the rest of the world and different theatres of Mongol war.
      As one example the Ly-Song war as an example involved more than a hundred thousand troops. The siege of Xiangyang took 5 years and involved passing a 150-metre moat, 8,000 defenders, 100,000 besiegers, 5,000 navy ships, 100+ trebuchets (mostly anti-personnel rotatable traction trebuchets that could moved around the field easily and rotatable), 20+counterweight trebuchets.
      At the time of the final conquest of all China under the Mongol banner, 70% of the invasion force were han Chinese from northern China and local southern recruitments during the invasion.
      The fortress of Diaoyu was where a Mongol Khan died either from disease or injury. It repulsed 200 Mongol attacks and endured for thirty-six years. Yanzhou was a Song dynasty fortification combining three cities into one fortress. The Song added multiple barbicans, fortified the sections of the fortress, constructed a citadel and then artificially flooded the three cities together. Then then added additional gatehouses, gate forts to guard the remaining land paths.
      The Chinese states were also very capable of altering the landscapes which in itself could easily be some of the greatest fortifications. One of this environmental alteration is the Song Dynasty Water Great Wall. The system was completed in 1 year and was 400 km long with the widest point being 30 km wide. The smallest lake measured approximately 5 km in length and width. The largest measured 55 km in length and 60 km in width. As the Water Great Wall freeze during winter, the Song also built elm tree palisades along the Water Great Wall to hinder or block the movement of Liao cavalry.
      From a report from the Dingzhou Pacification Commissioner to the emperor, the depth of the forests in Dingzhou were in excess of 25 km before logging bans were relaxed.
      The waterways and forests actually complemented one another to strengthen the borders of Song against deadly nomadic invasions. The waterways provided water and nutrients for the forests as well as a hydraulic highway for troop mobilization. And on the other hand during periods of low water depth and winter when the lakes froze over like a frozen highway the forests ensured that the exposed northern capital situated on alluvial plains would have time to prepare against a cavalry invasion.
      During this time, China was experimenting with molten metal bombs, cast-iron bombs, highly flammable bombs, smoke bombs, poison bombs, sticky bombs, fuse trap bombs, fire-arrows, fire-arrow pod launchers, proto-gun flamethrowers, paddleboats etc.
      While engaged in a war with the Mongols, in 1259 the official Li Zengbo wrote... the city of Qingzhou was manufacturing one to *two-thousand* strong iron-cased bomb shells a month, dispatching to Xiangyang and Yingzhou about ten to twenty thousand such bombs at a time.
      Triple-bed crossbows reached it's zenith under the Song dynasty. According to Juvayni, Hulagu Khan brought with him 3,000 giant crossbows from China... and a team of Chinese technicians to work a great 'ox bow' shooting large bolts a distance of 2,500 paces, which was used at the siege of Maymun Diz. According to the Wujing Zongyao, these weapons had a range of 450 meters while other Song sources give ranges of more than double that. Constructing these weapons, especially the casting of the large triggers, and their operation required the highest order of technical expertise available at the time.

  • @gregorjerman973
    @gregorjerman973 4 роки тому +98

    Lured them into the Steppes
    Mongols: You have no Power here!!!!!

    • @scintillam_dei
      @scintillam_dei 4 роки тому +10

      Mongols in Indonesian islands: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!!!!
      Mongols in Vietnamese humid zones: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!!!!!
      Mongols in the Pacific Ocean: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!!
      Mongols in the Holy Land: YOU LOST YOUR POWER HERE!!!

    • @DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz
      @DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz 4 роки тому +2

      @@scintillam_dei all these lands r far away from Mongols unlike Persia or China
      Europe & other countries u mentioned only one Wave of Mongol Attack
      Where as other kingdom's faced unending wars from Mongols

    • @DailyDipo
      @DailyDipo 4 роки тому

      Battle advantage +2

    • @scintillam_dei
      @scintillam_dei 4 роки тому +7

      @@DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz Vietnam was invaded by the Mongol Empire 3 times, and beat it every single time. :-)

    • @yajrobot
      @yajrobot 3 роки тому

      @@scintillam_dei with pretty large cannons on an elephants lol

  • @ComboMuster
    @ComboMuster 2 роки тому +17

    Outstanding presentation. The Subutai and Jebe raid is stuff of the legends. These mongol warlords and their troops were peerless warriors.

  • @arcamean785
    @arcamean785 4 роки тому +142

    I mean they really didn't have a choice, trust the deceivers that offer the olive branch in one hand and a long knife in the other... or die to dehydration.

    • @UnicornstalkRGaming
      @UnicornstalkRGaming 4 роки тому +3

      ua-cam.com/video/F-9R49FyLFQ/v-deo.html
      Yes.

    • @samuelmargueret9626
      @samuelmargueret9626 4 роки тому +1

      Go look at baz battel king and generals ect you will like them

    • @MrJH101
      @MrJH101 3 роки тому +6

      Hindsight is always 20/20, but seeing as how their army would get wiped out and the Cumans later joined the Mongols anyway, they should’ve just taken that earlier alliance and avoided all this in the first place; one Rus prince would later do so and it worked out great for him.
      As for how the Mongols treated them towards the end of this particular battle, that was to showcase to everyone as to why one should never kill messengers. Every time one of their envoys gets killed, the Mongols always wanted to set an example for others as to how brutal they would be if diplomatic immunity was no longer respected.

    • @quincy189
      @quincy189 2 роки тому +1

      @@MrJH101 every envoy must be avenged

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 4 роки тому +13

    Great video. I enjoyed it. The battle the Mongols fought are so incredibly interesting to read about.

  • @ElBandito
    @ElBandito 4 роки тому +144

    *Subutai uses heavy cavalry charge instead of horse archers*
    Koten Khan: Wait, that's illegal.

    • @michaelmanning5379
      @michaelmanning5379 4 роки тому +15

      It's not "illegal" as much as "ill advised" because light cavalry will scatter and draw you out of position. In this case, the Cumans were in a pocket formed by a bend in the river and didn't have the space to evade. Essentially, this is Agincourt in reverse - lightly-armed archers cannot hope to stand against heavy anything without superior mobility or a barrier to protect them.

    • @neutralfellow9736
      @neutralfellow9736 4 роки тому +31

      Both Mongols and Turks constantly used heavy cavalry, it is just that they are rarely mentioned, despite basically all their battles being won by cavalry charges, not archery by itself

    • @neutralfellow9736
      @neutralfellow9736 4 роки тому +15

      @@michaelmanning5379 Real life is not total war, troop positioning is not nearly as quick and easy as you might think, and heavy cavalry can indeed smash into light cavalry before the light cavalry, in large numbers, has time to reform into retreat and start moving. This happened quite often, for example at Montgisard, Arsuf, and even in the initial stage of this battle, at the beginning of the video. Hell, the Romans managed to do so with infantry, most famously by Publius Ventidius Bassus, and of course, Lucius Lucullus, who actually managed to even outflank a cavalry force with infantry. The reason he managed to do so is what I stated above in the first sentence.

    • @michaelmanning5379
      @michaelmanning5379 4 роки тому +2

      @@neutralfellow9736 I have never played Total War. I just read history books.

    • @neutralfellow9736
      @neutralfellow9736 4 роки тому +10

      @@michaelmanning5379 Read primary sources as well then, also read military history specifically on troop movement and positioning prior to the 19th century.
      Think about it, from the effective range of a bow, you have maybe 150ish m of distance between your light cavalry formation and the heavy cavalry enemy formation, if the heavy cavalry starts charging at you, you have 12-13m/s movement, meaning you have roughly 10-15 seconds from the time the enemy starts charging, to the moment of impact. The very notion that your front rank will have enough time to tell the ranks behind them to turn around and start fleeing is entirely tied to the fact of your rank positioning at the time. If you are engaged towards the enemy, it is incredibly unlikely that you will have time to tell all the ranks formed behind you to turn around and start fleeing and that the entire formation will be able to re-rout themselves in flight in such a short time frame, and it is quite likely that the heavy cavalry will smash into you. If you are positioned in a manner of sideways engagements, you have a better chance though. However, with massive numbers and large formations in major battles, this is far, far more difficult. This not even going into the notion of horse fatigue and size/speed of different horses, especially compared between Middle Eastern and European larger horses to the smaller and slower Mongolian pony. Now, I am not arguing that this was always the case, merely that things were far, far more complicated than light cav = fast.

  • @googane7755
    @googane7755 3 роки тому +28

    I can imagine this was very frustrating for the rus. I see some comments saying that they should've kept in formation and done this and that before the battle, but none of that actually matters if the enemy refuses to give you battle. The only way they could've caught up with the mongols was if they chased as aggressively as they did and subutai exploited that perfectly.

    • @IseekHonestY
      @IseekHonestY 2 роки тому +7

      is easy to play quarterback 1 thousand years later....UA-cam has endless of military tactic geniuses

    • @rednek666
      @rednek666 Рік тому

      They should have stayed behind the Dniepro river and never chase anyone in the first place, it`s a great defensive postition especially against cavalry.

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 Рік тому +1

      @@rednek666 That's where the problem lied, they needed a battle because it was a coalition and no one knew if they could come together the next time the mongols invaded. Also many of the men needed to return home to their farms to harvest and were very anxious to get the campaign over with, they could not just sit around.

  • @Dokja0
    @Dokja0 4 роки тому +6

    Only got the time to watch this now. Thanks for the hard work..

  • @syed1431
    @syed1431 4 роки тому +96

    Mongols gave a whole new meaning to the word "monster".

    • @Mr.LaughingDuck
      @Mr.LaughingDuck 4 роки тому +28

      and "Diplomatic Immunity"

    • @ivokantarski6220
      @ivokantarski6220 4 роки тому +1

      @@Mr.LaughingDuck hahaha

    • @lovsanus1998
      @lovsanus1998 4 роки тому +9

      @@Mr.LaughingDuck more like "diplomatic revenge"

    • @Go4Broke247
      @Go4Broke247 4 роки тому +1

      Horde

    • @thekhans2823
      @thekhans2823 3 роки тому +5

      How ???? A monster doesn't do innumberable good things, a Monster isn't honourable, A monster isn't civilized. A monster isn't like mongols

  • @HistoricalWeapons
    @HistoricalWeapons 4 роки тому +63

    Life lesson: don't kill Mongol Envoys 10:03

    • @Dnahwjjwjejnenex
      @Dnahwjjwjejnenex 4 роки тому +3

      glad to see u here manchu archer

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea 4 роки тому +8

      Unless you're the Mamelukes.

    • @TheGodTell
      @TheGodTell 4 роки тому +2

      *laughs in Majapahit*

    • @regizeelement8511
      @regizeelement8511 4 роки тому

      @@barbiquearea Mongols lost because of unfamiliarity with desert climate

    • @owannn
      @owannn 4 роки тому +6

      @@regizeelement8511 lol ain jalut is not desert . the word ayn itself means spring

  • @nicbahtin4774
    @nicbahtin4774 4 роки тому +53

    5:23 main Mongol army ? then those 10 stacks of doom that spawn on the eastern map of MED2 total war are just what ? a scouting force ?

    • @GarkKahn
      @GarkKahn 4 роки тому +6

      It always has been

    • @Naturmacht
      @Naturmacht 4 роки тому +5

      I hated that Event (in a good way). You knew it would come, but could do nothing against it. Just hope they would march in the other direction...

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 3 роки тому +8

      Mongols armies were never really that large and they instead they relied on the quality of their commanders. Obviously the game has to balance this somehow by just spawning doom stacks

    • @quincy189
      @quincy189 2 роки тому +3

      yeah it was a scouting force of 20,000 to chase and kill the sultan (king) of the fleeing Khwarazmian Empire. He got away and dead somewhere in eastern europe the mongols never found him but then the 20,000 scouting forces decide to raid and pillage the local area lolol they had to battle battle over 400,000 soldiers with just their 20,000. Obviously not all at once but each army they have encountered since raiding the country of gerogia they had been out numbered from 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. Meaning their army of 20,000 had to fight 40,000 each battles and when they had to fight the rus kingdom they were like out numbered 5 to 1 when their combined forces. A scouting crew of 20,000 not even made for an intention of invasion managed to kill over 20 times from their original 20,000 troops they had... Plus they killed over hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Estimating during this trip they killed over 2 million people with just 20k troops and about 200k-400k of those were enemy soldiers... Mongol army still made it out of eastern europe alive and regrouped with the main force with genghis khan....

  • @xotl2780
    @xotl2780 4 роки тому +42

    Fun little trivia facts:
    1. That "small garrison" Genghis Khan left in China was under the command of the great general Muqali, who with limited resources nearly conquered all of the Chin territory completely in the Khans absence. He was never defeated in battle, and his loyalty to the Khan was legendary.
    2. There's a decent chance thatJebe (pronounced Zev) Noyan was the "Mongol commander" killed in the vanguard before the battle, leaving Subudai in charge. This if nothing else would explain why Jebe was never seen alive again after this campaign.
    3. Most historians who research this battle could pretty well guarantee you that the coalition army, though large, would not have even approached 80,000 soldiers. Not in this region, and not in the time frame given.
    4. RUS! Not Russian!

    • @luohaoyu2632
      @luohaoyu2632 4 роки тому +6

      fun fact, "chin" is proto-manchurian

    • @rugeekpay8210
      @rugeekpay8210 2 роки тому +7

      As a Russian, it always irritated me that people tend to see no difference between Rus and Russians...

    • @tingleblade4274
      @tingleblade4274 2 роки тому +1

      Russians is Rus people from Rus kingdoms. Then almost all Rus lands entered Russia. I don't see a problem in this generalization, because people's speech is never 100% accurate and a moderate stereotype is always needed.

    • @Tomoesong
      @Tomoesong Рік тому +2

      ​​@@rugeekpay8210 So Russians call their beginning of history from Rurik. Then if Rus were not Russians then who were they? When Russian history began then if Rus is not Russian? It's like chinese calling themselves Mingese, Yanese, Songese etc. However their dynasty's name change it was still chinese. Russians refuse to call Rus were not Russians, is so confusing.

    • @sergeynechiporenko210
      @sergeynechiporenko210 Рік тому +1

      I personally prefer "Rus" or would even advocate Russic/Russish/old Russian for better clarity (like we differentiate Frankish from French, Britonic from British). However, I fully understand the English point - they've used "Russia/Russian" for this the XII century. It's OK for different entitites to have similar/same names - Germania, Palestina, Macedonia, Francia, Hispania all meant different things compared to the nations we know now - as long as we recognize the difference.

  • @thecrusaderhistorian9820
    @thecrusaderhistorian9820 4 роки тому +7

    Wonderful video! I enjoyed it!

  • @MyPra233
    @MyPra233 4 роки тому +207

    Khwarazmian Shah: *Executes Mongol envoys*
    Genghis Khan: Here we go again

    • @Mori_Fu
      @Mori_Fu 4 роки тому +20

      Mongol General: How many times till you learn your lesson old man

    • @MusicReign
      @MusicReign 4 роки тому +18

      "So you have chosen death!"

    • @michimatsch5862
      @michimatsch5862 4 роки тому +1

      Vae executor: Tokio Drift.

    • @67lionsoflisbon37
      @67lionsoflisbon37 4 роки тому +5

      Ye have to give it to the Mongols; they found a hobby and took it seriously.

    • @dustintacohands1107
      @dustintacohands1107 4 роки тому +1

      @@67lionsoflisbon37 21 century we have nukes 13 century you have mongal horde... not as cost effective but much more through.

  • @patrickleonard4187
    @patrickleonard4187 4 роки тому +15

    I have heard many historians postulate that the commander killed by mistislavich was actually the great Jebe the Arrow himself. He dies in this campaign but no one really knows how, in true mongolian fashion.

    • @patrickleonard4187
      @patrickleonard4187 4 роки тому +4

      In keeping with seeming Mongol tradition, nobody knows for sure. They didnt call their own history The Secret History for nothing. We know a commander was captured and executed, and no mention of Jebe being alive is made past that. Almost no one ever records their military mistakes and losses truthfully. It's just bad for legitimacy. But again, no one knows for sure.

    • @wyzkun
      @wyzkun 3 роки тому +3

      @@patrickleonard4187 well they are not the biggest fan of writing things. even their greatest general achievement only unveiled like 500 years later

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 Рік тому +1

      I mean they were steppe nomads, nobody has time to write down their history much less read. It's funny to me though that almost all the written history comes from the people they conquered and later from khans who commissioned their subordinates to write shit down for them. They were busy making history rather than writing it.

  • @RuiF1990
    @RuiF1990 4 роки тому +3

    Very good video, been folowing your channel for a while and every video is well made, im a big fan of your work!

  • @ciuyr2510
    @ciuyr2510 4 роки тому +1

    thank you historymarche & hoc est bellum.
    tied up under heavy logs, feeling every boot celebrating on top. Brutal.

  • @Temuun_846
    @Temuun_846 4 роки тому +5

    Thank u so much, i love ur channel.♥️♥️
    Greeting from Mongolia 🔥

  • @rogersledz6793
    @rogersledz6793 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!

  • @aslant1108
    @aslant1108 4 роки тому +11

    The best historical channel. Thank you. Mongols were strong and clever.

  • @evrensaygn1017
    @evrensaygn1017 4 роки тому +68

    Mongols were so deceptive its no surprise nobody believed their envoys and killed their ambassadors immediately.

    • @SchwarzeSun
      @SchwarzeSun 3 роки тому +13

      no honor pretty much like ISIS in modern day

    • @thekhans2823
      @thekhans2823 3 роки тому +1

      @@SchwarzeSun , Are you reffering to the mongols ??

    • @vladimirthegreen6097
      @vladimirthegreen6097 3 роки тому +5

      @@thekhans2823 Yes and I agree

  • @JRLopez12
    @JRLopez12 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you for these videos. I play many 4x games such as the Total War series & Sid Meier's Civilization series. This visualizes history in such a way that I feel like I'm watching Twitch for History =D

  • @AncientHistoryGuy
    @AncientHistoryGuy 4 роки тому +9

    New history marche vid. Must drop everything I'm doing to watch this now.

  • @cook658
    @cook658 3 роки тому +3

    Magnificent! Keep up the good work!

  • @DeRegelaar
    @DeRegelaar 4 роки тому +4

    Well done. Fantastic work.

  • @carterschell9518
    @carterschell9518 4 роки тому +6

    Love you guys so much you make great content!

  • @rnedlo9909
    @rnedlo9909 4 роки тому +13

    lesson one in war: DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY!!

    • @xabtthenomadic8956
      @xabtthenomadic8956 3 роки тому +3

      Lesson two in war : do not overextend

    • @georgiancountryball202
      @georgiancountryball202 3 роки тому +1

      Lesson three: do not pursue a hardly retreating enemy go and fortify so they won’t come back

  • @ahzam2862
    @ahzam2862 4 роки тому +6

    'destruction by mongols', one of the few things that unite the world.

  • @kingofeast3125
    @kingofeast3125 4 роки тому +2

    Everytime I come to a HistoryMarche video I get a snack cause I know it will be very entertaining, please more ancient and medieval videos!

  • @sadiqchowdhury4132
    @sadiqchowdhury4132 4 роки тому +6

    History Marche >> Kings and General

  • @sergeynechiporenko210
    @sergeynechiporenko210 Рік тому +2

    Beautiful. A few details for deeper context: 1. The prudent/reluctant Kyiv prince was the oldest of all, aged 56, compared to the boldest Halycian aged just 32, this may explain his hesitancy. 2. Cumans were important to Mongols because they were the favorite troops of the Khwaresmian sultan and had fought them there. 3. Mongols did not promise mercy themselves - instead, they avoided being dishonest by having local "Russian" people ("brodniks") approach the defendants and make those promises.

  • @TheGodTell
    @TheGodTell 4 роки тому +8

    "Remind yourself, that overconfidence is a slow and indisious killer."

  • @alorikkoln
    @alorikkoln 4 роки тому +1

    Great video. Thanks for the good work.

  • @someidiotwithnoname
    @someidiotwithnoname 4 роки тому +15

    Funny thing is that the Tumens, mongol armies of 10.000 strong, were a cavalry force (even today there are around 50 horses for each citizen of Mongolia) and infantry the Mongols used were primarily from vassal kingdoms or prisoners, Kharash, and they didn't count those as casualties. This is one of the reasons of a huge discrepency on casualty accounts between Eastern and Western sources.
    West - We killed 20 000 mongols.
    East - Khmm, 20 000 disposable slaves.

    • @sodinc
      @sodinc 4 роки тому +4

      There was similar thing with european casualties when they counted knights only.

    • @ivokantarski6220
      @ivokantarski6220 4 роки тому +1

      @Marcus-Aerilius Maximus the Romans ofcourse used the more untrained troops in front to waste the enemy energy and when needed the pros would move in front to do the job.

    • @lovsanus1998
      @lovsanus1998 4 роки тому

      Nah U think they would outrun armies while having infantry?? Try again

    • @someidiotwithnoname
      @someidiotwithnoname 4 роки тому +3

      @Marcus-Aerilius Maximus Nope. Mongols were horseback nomads. They sometimes fought on foot when they needed to dismount but a mongol Tumen was exclusively a cavalry force organised in a decimal system, similar to Roman legions. Aravt, a unit of 10, was made optimally by 6 horse archers and 4 lancers. 10 avrt made a zuut, 10 zuut made a mingghan and 10 mingghan a tumen.
      Since they were nomdas Tumen moved as a horde with entire heards in follow, each mongol warrior had up to 4 spare horses, and they had a camp following of fletchers, armorsmiths etc. etc. all on horseback and carts. This is why there were so fast moving through enemy terrain. Infantry can't catch a cavarlry force as Romans learned fighting Phartians and Sassaninds, cities were a different thing.
      Infantry in mongol armies was not mongol but they came as tribute from conquered tribes and kingdoms, those who refused or rebeled well Genghis killed their entire tribes or populations of cities so few attempted that. Think of them as auxila but with far less value.

  • @ElBandito
    @ElBandito Рік тому +2

    Everyone in medieval Rus: let's name our babies Mstislav.

  • @bssc776
    @bssc776 4 роки тому +11

    Yesterday's Kipchaks, today's Cumans... Definitely an improvement.

  • @SolarisKarmon
    @SolarisKarmon Рік тому +2

    jebe is so underratted he is the reason behind why subutai is great general

  • @mukisatimothy7508
    @mukisatimothy7508 4 роки тому +20

    Nice history

  • @53yearsago56
    @53yearsago56 4 роки тому +2

    Great video . I love your job.

  • @alexanderbertisch6328
    @alexanderbertisch6328 4 роки тому +56

    Who is he? His voice is incredible. I know him from Wild Ciencias

  • @chrisvarsamidis5533
    @chrisvarsamidis5533 4 роки тому +2

    I am a new subscriber and I love your videos
    Keep the excellent work

  • @tomurg
    @tomurg 4 роки тому +6

    We need a tv series about the Mongol invasions

  • @lolcakesmith7321
    @lolcakesmith7321 4 роки тому +2

    Love your videos!!!

  • @Paris-xv9sj
    @Paris-xv9sj 4 роки тому +3

    Just love this video!

  • @lampshade5449
    @lampshade5449 3 роки тому +1

    Great video 👍
    Thank you for your efforts.

  • @isakhanofbengal5936
    @isakhanofbengal5936 4 роки тому +8

    Will you make a video on Muslim conquest of spain?pls

    • @eee9034
      @eee9034 4 роки тому +3

      No,You will get 'reconquista'

    • @isakhanofbengal5936
      @isakhanofbengal5936 4 роки тому +3

      @@eee9034 how reconquesta will occur if it is not conquered.

    • @eee9034
      @eee9034 4 роки тому

      @@isakhanofbengal5936 i knew you will say that, even my thoughts were same, its the choice of channel that i am talking about

    • @isakhanofbengal5936
      @isakhanofbengal5936 4 роки тому

      @@eee9034 but you are aggressive

    • @eee9034
      @eee9034 4 роки тому +1

      @@isakhanofbengal5936 i know

  • @murtd3268
    @murtd3268 4 роки тому

    The best as always. Thank you

  • @trentondamm194
    @trentondamm194 4 роки тому +8

    I came!
    I saw!
    I liked!
    (great video)

    • @HistoryMarche
      @HistoryMarche  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks for coming

    • @trentondamm194
      @trentondamm194 4 роки тому +1

      @@HistoryMarcheIts hard not to. lol
      When will u guys do the battle of Zab

    • @trentondamm194
      @trentondamm194 4 роки тому

      @@HistoryMarche can u guys pls do a battle about the Normans attacking the Byzantine Empire or when Julian invades the Sassanid Empire

    • @Cheeseman42046
      @Cheeseman42046 4 роки тому +1

      C A M E

  • @raashidmohammed801
    @raashidmohammed801 4 роки тому +2

    Amazing video !
    Video idea: can you do a video on Tamerlane or timur please

  • @saudkm7698
    @saudkm7698 4 роки тому +8

    The Mongols only favor IMO, is that they annihilated the Assassins (Hashashin).

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 3 роки тому

      They also connected the East with the West.

  • @whynot-tomorrow_1945
    @whynot-tomorrow_1945 Рік тому +1

    Everyone else at the time: "this small 2km-wide valley is ours by right, and we will fight over it for generations!
    The Mongols: "Hi. This continent is ours now. Goodbye."

  • @Dreska_
    @Dreska_ 4 роки тому +3

    Chingus didn't want to expand >>WESTWARDS

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 3 роки тому

      Don't listen for those or you'll start hearing them everywhere.

  • @AJ-et3vf
    @AJ-et3vf 2 роки тому

    Awesome video! Thank you!

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 4 роки тому +4

    Amazing! Another collab video with HEB love both your content

    • @HistoryMarche
      @HistoryMarche  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks so much! Always great to see you KHK

  • @andreikovacs3476
    @andreikovacs3476 2 роки тому +1

    One of the reasons the Mongols were universally hated was their penchant for not respecting agreements and promises.

  • @lampshade5449
    @lampshade5449 3 роки тому +5

    Read “Yassa” the Mongol’s law of that time.
    And you’ll understand why they were so effective in battlefield.

  • @Wickwok
    @Wickwok 4 роки тому +1

    Great work!

  • @obscuraterror1891
    @obscuraterror1891 4 роки тому +6

    Always perfect!!!

  • @shawnbeckett1370
    @shawnbeckett1370 4 роки тому +1

    Awesome as always

  • @day2148
    @day2148 4 роки тому +24

    Kings&Generals had a way more balanced account of this battle -- that there was a good likelihood the initial retreat of the Mongols was real, and Jebe had been killed during that phase of battle. Since we know Jebe never returned from this campaign, and Subutai commanded the Mongols during this battle even though Jebe was the senior of the two commanders (and should have been in charge).

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 4 роки тому +1

      @abis8 alpha8 The Russian chronicles states that a mongol commander was found hiding in the ground and he was recognised by the cumans in particular and executed. This is thought to be Jebe by some historians and that the mongols were actually retreating for those 9 days. Jebe is never mentioned again in mongol sources so this theory has it's merits.

  • @rasulpourjafar2080
    @rasulpourjafar2080 4 роки тому +2

    I really enjoyed this video 👍

  • @fitnetwork7350
    @fitnetwork7350 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks for making our quarantine great 🥰

  • @Bigman_GamingVR
    @Bigman_GamingVR 4 роки тому +2

    I think it would be awesome if your channel did a series on Charlemagne. How he built his empire, the battles, his sons' inheritances, and what became of it. He is an ancestor of mine had I've always been fascinated with his history. I haven't seen anyone do these kind of videos on his battles and history.

  • @abdullahalrasheed394
    @abdullahalrasheed394 4 роки тому +9

    That stupid act of the Khawarezmian Sultan is to me one of the most stupid but influential acts of all time.

    • @sodinc
      @sodinc 4 роки тому +2

      at the same level as a trigger of WW1

    • @phanhuyduc2395
      @phanhuyduc2395 4 роки тому

      Can't blame him. Mongol at that time is an unknown force to the world, they attacked the Jin in North China which very far away from the Khawarezmian, thats it

    • @abdullahalrasheed394
      @abdullahalrasheed394 4 роки тому +4

      @@phanhuyduc2395 That's a fair point, but what benefit was he going to get by murdering random envoys anyway? It was a reckless move to say the least.

  • @1shallperish
    @1shallperish 4 роки тому +1

    love your videos

  • @tamimi724
    @tamimi724 4 роки тому +10

    Thanks for the great work!
    This was one of the decisive clashes that shaped the future of many peoples.. I think that this channel mentioned in its (Ain Jalut) video that Baibars (the Mamluke) originated back to one of those Turkic tribes; that lived in the area, and possibly his life was affected by these events.
    Also if I am not mistaken: Qutuz was also a member of the Khwarizmian ruling dynasty, who was ensalved and sold after the empire has fallen.. Both of Qutuz and Baibars became the scourge of the scourge at Ain Jalut..

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 3 роки тому +3

      Baibars was born on the kipchak steppe, but he wouldn't remember much other than being sold into slavery by the Bulgars during his parents flight from the Mongol invaders.

    • @tamimi724
      @tamimi724 3 роки тому

      @@xotl2780 Thanks for the hint!

  • @MrBoodyx
    @MrBoodyx 4 роки тому

    I was just getting ready to eay, it's like you made this video for me. Thanks Marche!

  • @Danny-mg1hu
    @Danny-mg1hu 4 роки тому +18

    dude, please do a MONGOL series. would love to see how you guys cover it. also please finish Hannibal/Rome series.

    • @snowpirate0pandhu
      @snowpirate0pandhu 4 роки тому

      The third punic war?

    • @aleksapetrovic6519
      @aleksapetrovic6519 3 роки тому +1

      They kinda did it:
      1. Kalka
      2. Mohi
      3. Ald Jhuntan
      4. Kulikovo
      Sure they didn'y make it in order, but they are slowly, but surly forming it in comprenhansive series.

    • @Danny-mg1hu
      @Danny-mg1hu 3 роки тому +1

      @@aleksapetrovic6519 there are more, especially against the Muslims, Chinese, and Japan. Even against each other with Temir.

  • @miklosszanyi620
    @miklosszanyi620 4 роки тому +2

    Ahhhhh yess! There's nothing better than ending the day with a HistoryMarche video! Great work guys, I love it!

  • @recklessroges
    @recklessroges 4 роки тому +5

    "Our friend Hoc Est Bellum", I'm aware of their work, (and it is also good.)

  • @asumelisadesteli5520
    @asumelisadesteli5520 Місяць тому

    Poor Mistislav didn’t know that he was fighting best 2 commanders of history

  • @tar5463
    @tar5463 4 роки тому +17

    You messed up all the names of rus princes.
    Those names ending with *vich denotes the name of the person's father, not the actual given name.
    So Mstislav Romanovich of Kiev: name - Mstislav, Romanovich - "son of Roman"

    • @GarkKahn
      @GarkKahn 4 роки тому +4

      Like in scandinavia son/sen or dotter/datr

    • @SilesianusMaximus
      @SilesianusMaximus 4 роки тому +1

      But all of the three mentioned princes were named Mstislav. You know, sentences like "Prince Mstislav followed prince Mstislav and prince Mstislav in the pursuit of Mongols" are quite confusing.

    • @tar5463
      @tar5463 4 роки тому

      @@SilesianusMaximus well, then it's better to use full name or alternative names as here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Kalka_River

    • @SilesianusMaximus
      @SilesianusMaximus 4 роки тому

      @@tar5463 Do you comprehend the difficulty for native English speaker to say "Mstislav Mstislavich"?

    • @tar5463
      @tar5463 4 роки тому

      @@SilesianusMaximus I agree it could be difficult, but not for the professional narrator. Take a look at this: ua-cam.com/video/asqgLriGcI8/v-deo.html

  • @infinitecontent8001
    @infinitecontent8001 Рік тому +1

    I would really like for you to cover the Battle of Adwa in 1896

  • @peterconrad7316
    @peterconrad7316 4 роки тому +29

    What did the good Mongol say to the bad Mongol?
    You missed-a-Slav.

    • @scintillam_dei
      @scintillam_dei 4 роки тому +9

      What did the modern Mongol say to his fellow Mongol? I don't know. It's in Cyrillic.

    • @jacobpeters5458
      @jacobpeters5458 4 роки тому +6

      why are Mongol tactics so respectable? Because they bow very often

  • @Louis-ji3sn
    @Louis-ji3sn 3 роки тому +1

    Can you do the first crusade in its entirety? Also, the 3rd?

  • @ApexImperia
    @ApexImperia 4 роки тому +16

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️ No one will able to defeat you HistoryMarche. You are best 💖💖💖💖
    A request for you Please make a series on Delhi Sultanate 🙏

  • @philipryan25
    @philipryan25 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you

  • @HistorydeFacto
    @HistorydeFacto 4 роки тому +8

    Tfw you realize you followed the mongol horde too deep into the steppe

    • @Slaveknight_gael
      @Slaveknight_gael 4 роки тому

      Not a horde, but a recon unit, which still crushes your whole coalition army...

    • @johnnyboy3410
      @johnnyboy3410 2 роки тому

      yeah recon unit of 10k horsemen

  • @aadil7302
    @aadil7302 4 роки тому +1

    Always a fan of your vedios .Thank you.

  • @Andrew-kt2my
    @Andrew-kt2my 2 роки тому +3

    There we no russian principalities at the time, there were Rus proncipalities
    Russia itself appeard in 1721

    • @Bdog40
      @Bdog40 2 роки тому +1

      Ah yes, Ukrainians copeing so fucking hard thanks to their lack of history XD

  • @dontbemad8894
    @dontbemad8894 3 роки тому

    Your channel is epic. Love it

  • @cook658
    @cook658 4 роки тому +6

    Had I only had this kind of beautifully made documentaries when I went to school...Just a miserably written s...ty book. Thank you, HistoryMarche!

  • @grassmanlawncare4823
    @grassmanlawncare4823 2 роки тому

    There’s always that one guy in the back that suggests falling back, and as always he ignored.

  • @dwarow2508
    @dwarow2508 4 роки тому +22

    Damn, didn't know that it was that close. Just a few more manouvering and patience and the Slavs and Cumans might have won

    • @TheStefchoo
      @TheStefchoo 4 роки тому +1

      Should have moved their inf in front and allowed horse archera to retreat .. :/

    • @GarkKahn
      @GarkKahn 4 роки тому +2

      Maybe if the kiev troops advanced a little more near the river they could've maneuver to reduce the envolment strenght

    • @jacobpeters5458
      @jacobpeters5458 4 роки тому +6

      I honestly don't think the Rus+Cumans had a chance. The Mongols knew what they were doing and lured them into a trap. eventually the Russians would've started retreating and would've been picked off little by little if they didn't fall for it. but Subutei was an excellent general (the son of a blacksmith! and humble according to European sources i think)

    • @dwarow2508
      @dwarow2508 4 роки тому +5

      @@jacobpeters5458
      But this time they were actually losing. They were not faking a retreat. They actually lost the battle at the Dniepr. Had thr Kievan Rus and Cumans just waited at the Kalka river, the mongold would be expelled.

    • @jacobpeters5458
      @jacobpeters5458 4 роки тому +3

      @@dwarow2508 possibly, or they were luring them. either way, they didn't lose much and could afford to retreat deeper and deeper whereas the others couldn't, except maybe the Cumans, but they would have been outnumbered. it's one thing to lose a battle, another to lose a skirmish and find better ground imo

  • @andreasleonardo6793
    @andreasleonardo6793 4 роки тому +1

    Too nice history's video showing with clear explaining of events and situations before and after invading of lands and horrible destiny of populations

  • @jkool3366
    @jkool3366 4 роки тому +3

    Keep 'em coming

  • @beachboy0505
    @beachboy0505 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent video

  • @zclgxs2190
    @zclgxs2190 4 роки тому +3

    What about making Battle of Qatwan? I think it is the turning point of the Great Selijuq Empire. Hope one day can see this battle in your channel.Thanks.

    • @grimgoreironhide9985
      @grimgoreironhide9985 4 роки тому

      The Kara Khitai were the ones who ended Seljuk Hegemony. I don't think there is enough written sources to fully describe that battle.

    • @backpressure123
      @backpressure123 4 роки тому +1

      Don't think anyone covered it yet

    • @grimgoreironhide9985
      @grimgoreironhide9985 4 роки тому

      @@backpressure123 Because of not enough sources to actually describe the battle.

  • @zenfonedavid4466
    @zenfonedavid4466 4 роки тому +2

    how the mongols manage to have enough provision for lenghty raid is astonishing.

  • @Scoob505
    @Scoob505 4 роки тому

    The Battle of Culloden or The Battle of Clontarf would be much appreciated friends, love your content.