In Japan, certainly some time ago, it was not unusual to strangle your opponent out and then to revive him - mainly because the one being strangled didn't want to give up but to see if there was a way to escape or resist.
The choke out (otosu) is a regular part of Judo training and has been for years! When done to unconsciousness. resuscitation methods called Kappo is applied. Investigations have shown that no deaths have ever occurred by these techniques since the sport of judo was founded by Professor Jigoro Kano in 1882 in Tokyo, Japan. A survey made based on a questionnaire to all International Judo Federation (IJF) country members, revealed that although there were 19 judo fatalities, none was due to shime-waza. Law enforcement and security agencies on the other hand have not been so lucky. this is mainly due to poor applications and training not Judo
The problem in chocking out is that is too dangerous to Be applied in a normal training at least you should bel 2/3 dan and have a deep knowledge of WHAT judo is! Nowadays judokas want to Be more competitive and win as much AS possible international match!
+Sassy Sabrina lol no your not, its going to be hard at first but once you get used to it, you'll be able to go through the motions much easier an you'll gain a whole new set of confidence.
Most of this training is really good but strangling a student into unconsciousness is stupid and reckless as it can kill him and there have been cases in Japan and Europe where death has resulted from stupid, irresponsible masters strangling their students. Other moves are also dangerous - the chest crush with the knees and the flying arm bar. I watched Mifune many times when I was a kid and I never saw him hurt a student.
+JoachimderZweite I agree. When a so-called sensei hurts a student during training, it is usually to teach him a lesson, and to show him who is boss. This is immature ego thing .
JoachimderZweite safety no matter what the martial art or organization has been an important part of the training itself. As anecdotal as it is, i have never been to a school or practiced in a school for that matter in which the training was unsafe or the teacher was a complete asshole, an coming from a jiujitsu background myself, the rear naked choke was a bread an butter submission that was used with no incident.
That guy getting choked was probably staged, it was too well filmed. Martial arts documentaries like to enhance reality, for the sake of telling a story.
does anybody know the name of the equipment that they use around 3:08 when they train the forest.The thing they tie around the trees to practice nage waza
For an art that's supposed to give people of a weaker stature a way to defend themselves, there's an awful lot of burly guys in this video slamming each other around. It looks to me like it takes powerful hands and arms to grapple like this. I'm not sure how this benefits someone of a weaker stature. Anyway, it looks like an effective way to fight and train.
This video does show very burly guys as you point out. But there are also plenty of slim lightweight ones. The simple answer to your point is that Judo at the level that you see it in this video requires an incredible level of training, fitness and dedication - to both the art and to ignoring pain. At the normal club level, it is still very effective but the level of all of these is much reduced. In particular the pain and the fitness. But that is because the dedication is missing also - as it is for most, a hobby and not their life.
I think I can break this down a little bit, it might be revealing. It's a well established that you need three things to be good at judo(but arguably almost any sport); mind or the techniques you know, spirit or motivation/will to win, and body or your physical limitations(limit strength, speed, etc). So it would always help to be stronger and faster. The part that makes this martial art fundamentally good for the small opponent lays primarily in kuzushi, or how off balancing is achieved. If while gripping I push into you, wait for you to push back into me to avoid being manipulated backwards and then doing a pulling throw, your enemies resistance becomes part of your kuzushi, the stronger he reacts the more dramatically he will help you achieve the throw.
That is exactly right. Now in a Judo competition, where each contestant is of roughly the same skill level etc. it does at the end of the day come to physical fitness in terms of strength and stamina. However, a small, not so strong, not so fit, club level Judoka will have the advantage over a person unskilled in Judo, even if they are fitter and stronger, because of an understanding of balance, leverage and posture.
Judo (or other MA) give you technique that can maximize your strength so you can use your strength in a right way. But for me there is no such thing as weak person can suddenly do fantastic move and defend himself against stronger person. Whatever it is you need physical strength. The MA just make the best out of it. Royce Gracie for example. He looks smaller and not as strong as his opponent. But doesnt mean he is weak or didnt do any thorough physical exercise.
Jonathan Sharon That's kind of what I was thinking in my original post. Well said. I once saw Royce Gracie take a beating no man should ever be able to stand and come out with a win on a submission after about half an hour on his back. It was one of those early UFC matches against a huge dude whose name I can't remember. No time limits in those days. Gracie is the definition of a tough guy. No quit in that dude.
Actually this is the purest judo, if you see what "mislead as to what judo is" it's washed and sugarcoated. Same with Karate, karate has a bad name to it now because it's so mislead from the actual form where you use dangerous moves.
@@justenlayne9533 yeah.. i'm sorry. That statement is just from the stupid part of me. I sparred with judoka and he taken me to arm bar. Almost break my joint. Then i realize, martial art is use only when the user mastering it well
Ooooo yeah we need a montage... montage... MONTAGE!!
On a serious note, thanks for the upload.
really wish I took up some form of martial arts when I was young.
The fuck is wrong with you.Started at 23 continue 5 years later.
start now, never too late to improve your body and mind
How old are you?
Don't shit on yourself man! You can do it. STAY HARD!
Started in my 40s.
Followed my son onto the mat.
This is why I do judo
I watching 2024😂
Same😂
Same here and recently started judo after twenty years of muay thai,I fell in love with this martial art and it's so effective
"gentle way" they say...
lol yes....the gentle way requires EXPLOSIVE POWER
Teshar Wu when you throw a guy you don't make any effort so it's gentle for you but not for him
HELL NO
3:39 it looks like the guy taps and his partner doesn't let go lol
In Japan, certainly some time ago, it was not unusual to strangle your opponent out and then to revive him - mainly because the one being strangled didn't want to give up but to see if there was a way to escape or resist.
The choke out (otosu) is a regular part of Judo training and has been for years! When done to unconsciousness. resuscitation methods called Kappo is applied. Investigations have shown that no deaths have ever occurred by these techniques since the sport of judo was founded by Professor Jigoro Kano in 1882 in Tokyo, Japan. A survey made based on a questionnaire to all International Judo Federation (IJF) country members, revealed that although there were 19 judo fatalities, none was due to shime-waza. Law enforcement and security agencies on the other hand have not been so lucky. this is mainly due to poor applications and training not Judo
+jujutsu987 true, i even learned kapo as a green belt back in 94 hawaii.
+Kureo Mado Deez Nutz
The problem in chocking out is that is too dangerous to Be applied in a normal training at least you should bel 2/3 dan and have a deep knowledge of WHAT judo is!
Nowadays judokas want to Be more competitive and win as much AS possible international match!
Awesome documentary, now this is training!
Martial Gamer nice seeing you here
2 years of judo, cool video sure brings back memories !
Ek fakken love u s picture, meneers :D
Judo stands for the gentleway...
I love that apocalypse now start...
Is that sensei Isao okano? 4:05
Were those Judo belts tied to the trees, or inner tubes ?
My mom signed me up for judo I thought it was like karate
Holy fuck
I'm dead.
+Sassy Sabrina lol no your not, its going to be hard at first but once you get used to it, you'll be able to go through the motions much easier an you'll gain a whole new set of confidence.
hehe its alot more different than that.
AlexanderPews lol ye it is :)
how are you doing now?
Hey I never decided to go to the classes but I might sign up one day it's always good to learn self defense
Most of this training is really good but strangling a student into unconsciousness is stupid and reckless as it can kill him and there have been cases in Japan and Europe where death has resulted from stupid, irresponsible masters strangling their students. Other moves are also dangerous - the chest crush with the knees and the flying arm bar. I watched Mifune many times when I was a kid and I never saw him hurt a student.
+JoachimderZweite I agree. When a so-called sensei hurts a student during training, it is usually to teach him a lesson, and to show him who is boss. This is immature ego thing .
+whitebelt4ever The sort of unthinking deference encapsulated by this comment is dangerous.
+JoachimderZweite there have been 19 judo fatalities in the IJF community an none of them where caused by chokes.
***** The IJF is a recent phenomenon and safety is an important part of its ethos.
JoachimderZweite safety no matter what the martial art or organization has been an important part of the training itself. As anecdotal as it is, i have never been to a school or practiced in a school for that matter in which the training was unsafe or the teacher was a complete asshole, an coming from a jiujitsu background myself, the rear naked choke was a bread an butter submission that was used with no incident.
Wish i started when i was younger as well! lol
Judo: One does not simply.
That guy getting choked was probably staged, it was too well filmed.
Martial arts documentaries like to enhance reality, for the sake of telling a story.
I can tell you from being someone who trains like this that that was not staged... this whole video is 100% real, just happens to be on film.
does anybody know the name of the equipment that they use around 3:08 when they train the forest.The thing they tie around the trees to practice nage waza
rubber
+Levi C. just rubber...does it not have another name?trying to buy these and I try to put judo straps in ebay and can't find these
They kinda look like inner tubes
+Levi C. idk man i put that in ebay and motorcycle belts appear wtf.But thanks for the reply and help
u can use resistance bands. I use them
the sunset reminds me of illuminati
This was b4 the tap out was invented
references ?
For an art that's supposed to give people of a weaker stature a way to defend themselves, there's an awful lot of burly guys in this video slamming each other around. It looks to me like it takes powerful hands and arms to grapple like this. I'm not sure how this benefits someone of a weaker stature. Anyway, it looks like an effective way to fight and train.
This video does show very burly guys as you point out. But there are also plenty of slim lightweight ones. The simple answer to your point is that Judo at the level that you see it in this video requires an incredible level of training, fitness and dedication - to both the art and to ignoring pain. At the normal club level, it is still very effective but the level of all of these is much reduced. In particular the pain and the fitness. But that is because the dedication is missing also - as it is for most, a hobby and not their life.
I think I can break this down a little bit, it might be revealing. It's a well established that you need three things to be good at judo(but arguably almost any sport); mind or the techniques you know, spirit or motivation/will to win, and body or your physical limitations(limit strength, speed, etc). So it would always help to be stronger and faster. The part that makes this martial art fundamentally good for the small opponent lays primarily in kuzushi, or how off balancing is achieved. If while gripping I push into you, wait for you to push back into me to avoid being manipulated backwards and then doing a pulling throw, your enemies resistance becomes part of your kuzushi, the stronger he reacts the more dramatically he will help you achieve the throw.
That is exactly right. Now in a Judo competition, where each contestant is of roughly the same skill level etc. it does at the end of the day come to physical fitness in terms of strength and stamina. However, a small, not so strong, not so fit, club level Judoka will have the advantage over a person unskilled in Judo, even if they are fitter and stronger, because of an understanding of balance, leverage and posture.
Judo (or other MA) give you technique that can maximize your strength so you can use your strength in a right way. But for me there is no such thing as weak person can suddenly do fantastic move and defend himself against stronger person. Whatever it is you need physical strength. The MA just make the best out of it. Royce Gracie for example. He looks smaller and not as strong as his opponent. But doesnt mean he is weak or didnt do any thorough physical exercise.
Jonathan Sharon That's kind of what I was thinking in my original post. Well said. I once saw Royce Gracie take a beating no man should ever be able to stand and come out with a win on a submission after about half an hour on his back. It was one of those early UFC matches against a huge dude whose name I can't remember. No time limits in those days.
Gracie is the definition of a tough guy. No quit in that dude.
2:53 to 3:00 yeah, just about.
Buiu samurai urbano
fine
this video makes judo seem so violent, it kinda misleads as to what judo is
+manny45629 Maybe but it was great to see that we had almost the same excercises when I practiced Judo.
Judo is violent...it is a martial art...they are violent...except tai chi
Actually this is the purest judo, if you see what "mislead as to what judo is" it's washed and sugarcoated. Same with Karate, karate has a bad name to it now because it's so mislead from the actual form where you use dangerous moves.
judo is violent its a martial art not sport
oooooooossss!!!!
*in the forest
Im die walde?
탭치면 좀 놔주지...
STRANGLING A STUDENT ALMOST TO DEATH IS NOT THE SPIRIT OF JIGORO KANO
I think korean judo is one of the most greatest judo in the world
whats korean judo isint it called something els ??
its hapkido right
@@khrystoferambriz5897 no, judo in korea is called judo...dude wtf?
it is useless in a real fight. i can beat jigoro kano with a simple elbow
Ilham Blaine if you clinch the correct way you can still do judo throws in a real fight
Yes... talking is easy...
Judo is very useful in a real fight. Isham Blaine I'm gonna have to disagree with you about your whole statement.
@@justenlayne9533 yeah.. i'm sorry. That statement is just from the stupid part of me. I sparred with judoka and he taken me to arm bar. Almost break my joint. Then i realize, martial art is use only when the user mastering it well
@@ilhamakbar8523 Ooof....hopefully you are well now, sir ! Glad to hear your perspective changed ( ^^)
Boring