The reason why Shadowflame isn't good is that it delays your Dcap spike, and then you aren't able to itemize defensively through hourglass and banshees. The ability to not get picked and buy time from those items is invaluable on twitch when combined with the slow which basically sets the enemy's speed to 100.
Also - if you are in a position to go Dcap second, you're probably doing great already, so there is a bias; espcially since Twitch snowballs hard, so doing great early goes a long way
@@MrLysymaster Yeah that's why saying "X item has a huge win-rate" is SOMETIMES biased, because it might have a great win-rate, but it's because that item might be bought when you're fed/ahead, and when not, maybe another item might be better.
I think he said it in this vod somewhere, but ult lvls only give it more bonus AD, and it's also only a small increase, so that's hardly useful on AP Twitch
Would you ever consider Aphelios mid? I know that’s probably not off-meta, but I’ve been enjoying him in aram and would like to see if he’s viable mid by someone who’s actually good at the game
You can see why Shadowflame 2nd is bad. Damage is not a problem, surviving is a problem. So you need defensive items Zhonya/Banshee first. Then maybe when you have those as a 5th item Shadowflame can be good as it does help your damage and poison.
The first statement was about the usefulness of Magic Pen on Twitch vs. a typical magic damage dealer. The second statement was on observation on whether he was able to kill a certain target. The choice is between building flat Magic Pen, and building AP. Both stats increase Magic damage output via different mechanisms: by increasing your own damage dealt, or by increasing the enemy's damage taken, respectively. On a typical mage, building AP will increase your magic damage dealt. On Twitch, building AP will increase your magic damage dealt, but also True damage. On a typical mage, building Magic pen will increase the enemy's damage taken from most of your damage. On Twitch, Magic pen will only increase the enemy's damage taken from his Magic damage, and the True damage will not benefit at all. If a typical mage were to build straight AP into enemies building MR, a lot of the damage would be reduced, and the AP scalings would be wasted. For Twitch building straight AP, the damage being absorbed by the MR is somewhat "compensated for" by the increase in True damage. Against a high MR target, building AP on Twitch is probably about as useful as building Magic Pen. Against a low MR target, building AP is definitely more useful than building Magic Pen. Hence, Magic Pen, especially flat Pen, is somewhat wasted on Twitch. That said, in *either* case, the following is valid: * Twitch should be able to burst kill a target with low MR * Twitch should have trouble burst killing a target with high MR Note that building flat Magic Pen doesn't really change this general rule; it does not erase enough magic resist to allow for easy bursting. Pekin recognized that he could kill Skarner who has low MR. If Skarner had MR, then Pekin would probably recognize Skarner as too tanky. But if Skarner had MR, and Pekin had flat Magic Pen, Pekin would probably still consider Skarner too tanky. Hope that helps :)
7:46 Blasting wand instead of bow + codex? Why not Spend more gold… blasting wand AP really more beneficial than more attack speed (faster passive stacks) and cdr?
15:30 You got this wrong, you get increased movement speed while near enemy champions that CAN'T see you, which is why you only gained the 10% movement speed and would've otherwise managed to escape.
@@PekinWoof This is in the wiki though: During this time, Twitch gains Movement speed icon 10% bonus movement speed, *increased to 30% while facing enemy Champion icon champions within a 1000-unit radius who cannot see him.*
@@iambetterthanyouithink633 Yeah it's supposed to be 30% increase ms while facing champions, but Ekko was behind him and still gave twitch 473 ms instead of 413 which is weird
Offhand, I'd assume it's because on AP Twitch, you get less from your ult than normal, since the AD does basically nothing for you, it's just a range extender. Having it on lower cooldown is nice, but your E and W are way more important on this build, and your Q is also an insanely strong button that lets you position yourself correctly for fights.
At the start of the video it would be nice if you could hit C or whatever shows the runes you're running at the bottom left. Don't need to talk about it or show the big thing if you don't want to since I haven't seen you do that in a while.
Showing the big runepage is the best way to do it, just going to continue doing that. It shows for about 4 seconds so maybe if you are skipping intros you might be not seeing it? I do it in every video now and have been for a while.
@@PekinWoof: Yeah, I checked and it loaded the video just as it was fading out. Maybe mention it slightly? Although it is pretty standard with AP Twitch so...
So why do you keep saying lvl 9 is a power spike? Sure, you max out your main ability, but that doesn’t give any extra effects. It’s the same increase of power as every other time you level it up. Maxing an ability doesn’t do anything special. That’s like saying that ”the first long sword is ok, the second one is pretty good but the third one is a huge powerspike”. It makes no sense
Because at 10, 11, 12, 13 don't really 'spike' your damage anymore. At 9 your E is done. And also you are most likely higher than Jg/ADC/Supp so it's great timing to play off that big damage spike
thank you mr zigzagoon woof you're my favorite sleeping asmr youtuber
Same
It's gotten to a point where if Mr. Woof doesn't upload for a day, I can't sleep that night.
The reason why Shadowflame isn't good is that it delays your Dcap spike, and then you aren't able to itemize defensively through hourglass and banshees.
The ability to not get picked and buy time from those items is invaluable on twitch when combined with the slow which basically sets the enemy's speed to 100.
Also - if you are in a position to go Dcap second, you're probably doing great already, so there is a bias; espcially since Twitch snowballs hard, so doing great early goes a long way
@@MrLysymaster Yeah that's why saying "X item has a huge win-rate" is SOMETIMES biased, because it might have a great win-rate, but it's because that item might be bought when you're fed/ahead, and when not, maybe another item might be better.
@@MrLysymasterhonestly if im doing great. Mejais second into roam. If im in an okay position, dcap second. If i cant kill my mid, shadowflame
Use this as a “Pekin is my Zigzagoon daddy” button
From now on I will name all the zigzagoon I catch "Zoey main"
nah
You guys know this also answer the "how many are you?" Question right
Some of you guys is prob supermodel at this rate 😅
Zigzaddy
A pine martin playing as a rat. I simply have to laugh.
I hate Pekin. He didn't tell me happy birthday when it wasn't even my birthday. Wtf
A return to form for Pekin, and AP twitch is super fun this season.
Thank you for the late night upload, Mr. Zigzagoon, sir.
15:10 That Rell had such high hopes and expectations for that Yasuo, I could feel the disappointment from here
Pekin has found out about every movement speed champ. Everyone I play, no matter how insane the movement, still gets chased down.
Came here from the "Proof that you're wrong and I am right" video
Question Mr. Pekin, at 25:30 is there a reason to lvl Q instead of R3?
I think he said it in this vod somewhere, but ult lvls only give it more bonus AD, and it's also only a small increase, so that's hardly useful on AP Twitch
Cheesed to watch this
Zigzagoon man did it again
23:06 went to the opposite (and questionable) direction of everyone else and complains the team just left him lol.
Thanks for the upload.
Would spear be good? Seems like the only important ability is your e and its not like the ad/health are useless
@PekinWoof whats about the off-lane climb?
Honestly I'd love to watch him climb a different lane until GM.
I would even love it, if he is shit in that role and we can watch him get better.
Would you ever consider Aphelios mid? I know that’s probably not off-meta, but I’ve been enjoying him in aram and would like to see if he’s viable mid by someone who’s actually good at the game
Nope in fact I just came from a RatIRL video in which he shitstomps an aphelios mid as AP twitch 😂 it's free kills for good mage players
You can see why Shadowflame 2nd is bad. Damage is not a problem, surviving is a problem. So you need defensive items Zhonya/Banshee first. Then maybe when you have those as a 5th item Shadowflame can be good as it does help your damage and poison.
After deathcap sure, but Deathcap is needed 2nd still
Yeah always DCap 2nd. Definitely not Shadowflame!
Would almost full ap twitch with runaans work? If it applies the poison on another target and rhe ad stats + att. Speed seem good too.
Not worth sparing ap for it
18:40 but you said magic pen is wasted because you deal true damage. Now am confused.
The first statement was about the usefulness of Magic Pen on Twitch vs. a typical magic damage dealer.
The second statement was on observation on whether he was able to kill a certain target.
The choice is between building flat Magic Pen, and building AP.
Both stats increase Magic damage output via different mechanisms:
by increasing your own damage dealt, or by increasing the enemy's damage taken, respectively.
On a typical mage, building AP will increase your magic damage dealt.
On Twitch, building AP will increase your magic damage dealt, but also True damage.
On a typical mage, building Magic pen will increase the enemy's damage taken from most of your damage.
On Twitch, Magic pen will only increase the enemy's damage taken from his Magic damage, and the True damage will not benefit at all.
If a typical mage were to build straight AP into enemies building MR, a lot of the damage would be reduced, and the AP scalings would be wasted.
For Twitch building straight AP, the damage being absorbed by the MR is somewhat "compensated for" by the increase in True damage.
Against a high MR target, building AP on Twitch is probably about as useful as building Magic Pen.
Against a low MR target, building AP is definitely more useful than building Magic Pen.
Hence, Magic Pen, especially flat Pen, is somewhat wasted on Twitch.
That said, in *either* case, the following is valid:
* Twitch should be able to burst kill a target with low MR
* Twitch should have trouble burst killing a target with high MR
Note that building flat Magic Pen doesn't really change this general rule; it does not erase enough magic resist to allow for easy bursting.
Pekin recognized that he could kill Skarner who has low MR.
If Skarner had MR, then Pekin would probably recognize Skarner as too tanky.
But if Skarner had MR, and Pekin had flat Magic Pen, Pekin would probably still consider Skarner too tanky.
Hope that helps :)
7:46 Blasting wand instead of bow + codex?
Why not Spend more gold… blasting wand AP really more beneficial than more attack speed (faster passive stacks) and cdr?
HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THE CHEESE HEAD TWITCH SKIN???
Because its new?
Can't wait to poison my enemies again xDDD
15:30 You got this wrong, you get increased movement speed while near enemy champions that CAN'T see you, which is why you only gained the 10% movement speed and would've otherwise managed to escape.
I dare you to go into practice tool as Twitch vs a Bot and test your theory. If you do please reply the results
@@PekinWoof This is in the wiki though: During this time, Twitch gains Movement speed icon 10% bonus movement speed, *increased to 30% while facing enemy Champion icon champions within a 1000-unit radius who cannot see him.*
Watching back in the video, just using Q gives you a ms boost, but being near an enemy champ that can't see you gives you an even bigger one.
@@iambetterthanyouithink633 Dare you to also ignore that tooltip and test it and come back with results
@@iambetterthanyouithink633 Yeah it's supposed to be 30% increase ms while facing champions, but Ekko was behind him and still gave twitch 473 ms instead of 413 which is weird
How Graves death did not count to the feed? 01:06
Quick question: why didn't you level up your r until level 18? Is there any reason to do that?
Offhand, I'd assume it's because on AP Twitch, you get less from your ult than normal, since the AD does basically nothing for you, it's just a range extender. Having it on lower cooldown is nice, but your E and W are way more important on this build, and your Q is also an insanely strong button that lets you position yourself correctly for fights.
@@ChaosWolfRiderI’m pretty sure leveling your r doesn’t even reduce its cd on twitch I could be wrong tho
@@TroubbleBubble nope. leveling R only increases AD, leveling it past lvl 6 on AP is bad
Lord pekin
love the skin
i swear that while watching the video i thinks its live and want to chat.
Librarian Ryze? :D
Why doesn't Pekin ping wards? It's literally free gold.
I know it's a small thing but it bothers me.
It also tells where the ward is and when/if it expires...
Muscle memory or key binding issue I bet.
HELLO PEKIN
At the start of the video it would be nice if you could hit C or whatever shows the runes you're running at the bottom left. Don't need to talk about it or show the big thing if you don't want to since I haven't seen you do that in a while.
Showing the big runepage is the best way to do it, just going to continue doing that. It shows for about 4 seconds so maybe if you are skipping intros you might be not seeing it? I do it in every video now and have been for a while.
@@PekinWoof : Maybe it doesn't show since casting from phone to TV skips the first few seconds as it loads.
@@PekinWoof: Yeah, I checked and it loaded the video just as it was fading out. Maybe mention it slightly? Although it is pretty standard with AP Twitch so...
So why do you keep saying lvl 9 is a power spike? Sure, you max out your main ability, but that doesn’t give any extra effects. It’s the same increase of power as every other time you level it up. Maxing an ability doesn’t do anything special. That’s like saying that ”the first long sword is ok, the second one is pretty good but the third one is a huge powerspike”. It makes no sense
Because at 10, 11, 12, 13 don't really 'spike' your damage anymore. At 9 your E is done. And also you are most likely higher than Jg/ADC/Supp so it's great timing to play off that big damage spike
fish
too much nacho cheese for my liking
I think kaisa was saber
Hieeee pekin!!!!
i dont understand why so many ppl decide to play zyra, so useless more then half the time.
!!!
cheese rat
14:15 only 10 seconds earlier you said yasuo was going back mid yourself... lol
You must be that delusional graves? Lol.
day 24 of asking for gwen or shen mid
hi
Day 29 of asking for milio mid :D
wait pyramid head is a WOMAN???
Graves was so selfish
LETSGO IM EARLY 😩
oh nvm 💀
Not leveling up ult until lvl 18 hurt my soul 🫠