Engine fire after departure. Allegiant Air A320 declared an emergency. Real ATC audio
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
11-AUG-2022. An Allegiant Air Airbus A319 (A319), registration N312NV, performing flight AAY25 / G425 from Stockton Metropolitan Airport, CA (USA) to Las Vegas Harry Reid International Airport, NV (USA) after departure declared an emergency, reported engine fire, requested delay vectors and later returned to Stockton.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Departure
00:32 The crew declared an emergency
01:07 Aircraft is circling around the field. Pilots are running through the checklists.
08:00 The crew initiated the approach
09:21 The crew contacted tower
10:12 Landing. On the ground
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THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
SOURCES OF MATERIAL, LICENSES AND PERMISSIONS:
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Radar screen (In new versions of videos) - Made by author.
Text version of communication - Made by Author.
Video editing - Made by author.
HOW I DO VIDEOS:
1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.
This is the happiest pilot I’ve ever heard in my life.
Every pilots happy it's just when we hit the mic button we sound dead inside for no reason lol
"I don't want to be in anyone's way, but I get it." lololol, all eyes are on you buddy, yeah.
He's a great captain to fly with. I was with him on this flight as a flight attendant.
The Allegiant pilot is so upbeat. 👍🏼
One of the friendliest pilots I've heard in a while 👍
The pilot is so happy -- "YAY! I get to use my training!" That extra time in the simulator was worth it
Excellent work by ATC and the pilot. Calm, professional, no unnecessary radio calls to distract the pilots from checklists.
It’s never a good day when you hear ATC say, “I know you’re busy, but whenever you’re ready…”
Great teamwork between ATC and pilot
You have to remember that airline pilots train for this exact scenario in the simulator every year. The pilot on the radio is maintaining his cheerful mood because they are comfortable and they know the drill. They've done this many, many times before. They know the QRH procedure to run. They know how to delagate responsibilities in the flight deck. It's just another day on the job. Just with a little more paperwork and a few more phone calls.
Yes but still human are human, and when you’re in a simulator you know whats coming. I can guarantee NO pilot will be dealing with an engine fire in real life feeling same level of comfort and calmness as he would in a sim. Now that doesnt mean that he/she will perform worse than in the sim or would be panicking. But there will always be this adrenalin rush that you just dont get in the sim
exactly, there are very few instances flying that you need to be in a rush and this isnt one of them. Keep a calm head and do what youve trained for. Just another wednesday for these guys.
Great attitude by all involved. It’s been awhile since i’ve heard such an appreciative, good natured pilot.
l love the ATC videos that map out their flight path visually, paints the scene alot better! New subscriber right here, thanks for the quality content.
Thank you 🙂
couldn’t agree more ;)
Today I learned baby’s do not have souls
But you didn't learn that it's 'babies' not "baby's"
Top tier professional operations from both ATC and pilots!! Kudos to both teams.
Pilot handled the situation like a real pro. I’ve literally never had a bad experience with allegiant. Not sure why people hammer on them So much. They’ve always been cost effective, on time, efficient, and friendly. Direct flights to small airports are awesome too!
This couldn't be further from the truth, if that pilot can't fly a hold without the computer, he shouldn't be flying that plane
I'm actually flying with allegiant so it's interesting I see this video. It's a good one though!
“To make sure everything is KOSHER”, ha ha
To be, "on the safe side...". But most importantly, "We'll be fine." 😂
Great video, great pilots and great ATC. Thank you!
👍
Never heard anyone so happy about not going to Vegas
😁😎👍
Captain did a great job!
A whole bunch of stuff checklist
He should have landed sooner. Engine fire number 2 is a good reason to land over landing weight. To fly around as much as they did was unwise should the fire have done damage that was not yet detected. These planes are designed to land overweight as part of their certification. Only if it was a short runway is landing weight a problem. Also, they should have stopped on the runway to have fire crews check for any additional problems. This way, a 150 wide runway gives more room to the fire crew than a 75 foot wide taxiway.
The polite radio transmissions are nice, but landing ASAP is better than flying all over the area with a potential secondary fire that may not be detected by the engine fire warning system.
Allegiant is the only airline that uses that airport and there are very few commercial flights a day there . Most of the time the runway sits empty . Pilot could have landed anytime he wanted to.
Great controller !
No way…this is my home town!
bro is happy with a engine fire
The discussion on the hold took quite a bit of attention. That could have been cleared more swiftly. Also noted that ATC did not request an update of the engine fire status before the landing.
Pilots can choose not to communicate if needed. I feel ATC did a good job and didn’t keep bothering them unless necessary for the holding vectors.
ATC would assume nothing has changed. Pilots usually will inform them if the engine fire is extinguished or the alarm now ceased. No harm done, the trucks will be preparing for an active engine fire otherwise which isn’t a bad thing.
The pilots were clearly not overly concerned given the burning of fuel and extensive checklists, which is good if the situation allows. Some pilots may be told by cabin crew if the situation is worsening and will land the plane overweight and as soon as possible with most checklists done.
The pilots were calm, as any should be, but they were not expressing significant concern or urgency, compared to some engine fires. Also seen in the additional polite messages and thank yous the pilots kept giving ATC that could be deemed unnecessary (I don’t think it is if the situation allows for it, which theirs clearly does in this engine fire scenario).
He also highlights before landing that they aren’t worried and will taxi to the gate. So it clearly was discussed but the recording missed it.
@@OfficialSamuelC indeed, calm and professional communication between the pilots and ATC, examplary ace job
Awfully chatty for an emergency situation. The controller had to hear 3 times that it was an Engine #2 fire.
@@RaineStudio And the net result? Zip.
Very surprised they wanted to burn off more fuel with an engine fire indication... I believe Swiss 111 crash taught us all what happens when you delay getting on the ground with a fire...
Exactly what I was thinking. There are numbers to land overweight. Engine fire is the bigger priority to get on the ground and out.
There are multiple indications you can go on, and you have fire extinguishers in the engine that can deploy, and you can cut the fuel (no fuel, nothing to burn) and so on. They know more than anyone else since they have the information first hand. They want to be close in case something else happens byt other than that, if everything seems okay and the situation is under control, they do what is the safest, and that is also determined by the checklists.
The checklists are like: Fire indicator, check this, to that, if then, this and that, then, if, ... The best practice in general is to use your training and the checklists. And not to rush.
Swizz 111 as NOT an engine fire. It was a cockpit fire.
@@Xanthopteryx I get that, I fly private jets for a living. The problem is, the copilot talked a lot on the radios but never clearly communicated if the fire indication was ever out. For all ATC knew was there was still a fire and they tried to get them on the ground ASAP. When I go into the sim, I run the checklist for ENGINE FIRE, then once that’s done we land even if it’s overweight. You want to get that plane on the ground ASAP in case the fire is not completely out or your aircraft has sustained damage that you can’t even see. The only major factor of landing overweight is usually hot brakes and even if they had that, ARFF was already standing by.
@@JaxAviator It's not ATC's call when the flight needs to land. They were very accommodating. If the fire was out and the engine secured there's no rush. It's an engine on a pylon, with Swiss the house was on fire. Very different situation.
I think the ATC asked 3 times about the fire because he likely couldn't believe the nonchalant attitude of the pilots and him having heard correctly that they had an engine fire.
He's so cheery it makes me want. to go rent a Cessna and take off with all the gust locks in.
The comments are amazing because all these people don’t know what happened there wasn’t an engine fire but everyone says there was one lol I love keyboard warriors who aren’t pilots commenting about a captain who made the right decisions
Just get the damn plane on the ground
They prob HAD a engine fire but pulled the switch to put it out. Thus burning fuel could be done.
Even after pulling the fire extinguisher you should get on the ground ASAP. You only have 2 tries with the extinguisher, if it comes back a third time you have nothing to put it out except for ARFF on the ground. There’s zero reason to keep flying unnecessarily after an engine fire.
Even after pulling the fire extinguisher you should get on the ground ASAP. You only have 2 tries with the extinguisher, if it comes back a third time you have nothing to put it out except for ARFF on the ground. There’s zero reason to keep flying unnecessarily after an engine fire.
did Allegiant charge the passengers for the engine fire and extra landing?
They may have already paid extra in the "Emergency" bundle.
That's what took so long. 3 of the passengers only had cash and they don't take cash on board for the emergency landing fees. Finally another passenger took their cash and paid the fees on their credit card so they could finally land.
Nothing happening here… just another day at allegiant
And Delta and American and Southwest ......
First hand experience or are you just sharing info someone else told you about??? I am going to guess the second one
Great job crew! But a terrible airline.
They are trying to out nice each other.
Not flying this airline after crew decided to fly the white city with one engine.
allegiant seats suck, most uncomfortable flight ever, but the 6' Red head flight attendant that looked like she just came from her job at the strip club, made the trip less painful
Awesome , Joe ! So nice to have some goodies to look at …
This is the type of pilot you fly with that never stops talking and says the most unnecessary things on radio calls 🤦🏼.
So he lost an engine due fire, and yet decided to continue flying aimlessly around the sky, simply to land under max allowable landing weight. It’s perfectly allowable and safe to land an a320 above max landing weight.
That’s some poor decision making if ever I’d heard it.
Some dismal R/T as is the norm nowadays in FAA land. Appears to have spent more time chatting rather than actually attending to the issue at hand.
Flying a large commercial aircraft around the sky on a single engine having already experienced an engine fire while a suitable airport was a few miles away is bordering on criminal.
Pilot’s RT is as far from standard phraseology as one can find.
Quote: “To be on the safe side…..”. Rather late to be erring on the side of caution at stage eh Captain. How long again did you choose to spend skywriting while chatting away rather than attend to checklists etc ! 😳
That’s how we are trained though? Should we all do it differently? Engine fire isn’t a big deal. It even went out.
That’s what I was thinking too. My mentality has always been to land ASAP if there is fire involved, even if it means landing overweight.
I also would have stayed on the runway in case the engine lit back up. It’s a lot easier to evacuate and get CFR while on a runway rather than a taxiway.
@@saxmanb777 We are absolutely not trained to burn off fuel when you are on fire... get the emergency checklist accomplished and on the ground safely ASAP. overweight landing is no big deal compared to a burning fire
Knowing Allegiant's safety culture, the company probably disciplined the crew for not continuing to Las Vegas.
Lessons to learn here:
1) ATC needs to listen. He's had to say "number two engine fire" THREE times.
2) Ask a sample of pilots what they prefer as ("checklist time") holding instructions. Too often ATC keeps interrupting the pilots in their checklist with a new heading. and "Is it ok, or do you want something different?". If in general pilots would prefer to "hold as published near the airport", then offer them that: "Hold as published at orang at 5000, let me know if you need anything else". Put this in the procedures for ATC.
3) Manufacturers, airlines, pilots: Think about where you want to hold in such a "problem with engine" situation. The reason you're going to return and not fly anywhere is that you're down to one engine and if that fails, you'll have a forced landing. If you are within the cone of reachability of the airport, you can just glide in. I get the impression that these pilots were waiting outside (below) that cone. This happens all the time.
4) If just giving vectors... you want to be able to come to the airport as quickly as possible. The pattern chosen here is not optimal. On the legs "on final", there is a super-quick way to land, but when flying in the other direction it is much longer. How about "double base". From final, at least a turn radius (or two) away from the intercept point, fly 020 in this case. Then at say 5 miles turn right and fly 200 through final. and again at say 5 miles turn right again to 020. Now on the 020 legs before final you can just turn left to 320 to intercept final. If that turn ends to late to intercept final continue the turn to 260. If ATC estimates the turn to 260 to intercept final too late, just give a right turn to 260 instead. Same stuff on the other leg. If my (2) comes up with "hold as published", then publish this in the charts, put it in the computers.
Yes mom. We will wait for your report to be submitted to safety board.
A normal day for allegiant
- Souls on-board with 147+3 infants = 150 + 6 flight crew members on the Airbus = 156 Total SOB.🤦♂️
- When you have an "Engine-Fire" situation, an overweight landing is of secondary concern, primary being..to get the aircraft on the ground ASAP 'RED ECAM'.🤷♂️
- A Pilot can be overly grateful to ATC, but not at the expense of missing important ATC instructions/clearances.😬
When you eat pickles just remember, they were once cucumbers.
-Nowhere is it suggested that the 147 did not include the 6 crewmembers.
- it takes approx 10-12 minutes to run through an engine fire checklist, the ABCs, and setting up for an approach. Once the fire warn light disappears, the fire is considered extinguished.
-no clearances were missed, but the PM (guessing it was the PIC) was definitely sounding overloaded by thr management of the emergency.
Well done to the crew
You are pumping out quite a lot of unsolicited bilge.
Correct. It can land at its max takeoff weight (MTOW). However, an "overweight landing" inspection is typically required.
What are your type ratings Ari Dev?
Wow, it’s REALLY difficult to get through your entire pilot training up to ATP and not pick up a single element of pilot phraseology or the typical “pilot voice” whatsoever. 😂
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
Oh boy. This pilot.. He's lost an engine and he wants to make decisions that are best for everyone else? Seriously? And then he's complicating his life by yapping it up with the controller and making elaborate plans where and how to hold. Changing altitude to fly lower and have less of a margin? How about you make a simple safe decision if ATC is offering you the skies and do what's best for your 150 pob (btw do babies not have souls or something? I mean not that anyone does, but why make that distinction?🤣).
Thankfully the ATC realized he should take charge and keep him in a simple box pattern ready to turn final super fast if needed.
Anyway.. I would not want this guy to fly a plane I'm on. 🤦
Utterly unprofessional from the pilot!! Total amateur hour…
Eh, say what?