My car is nearly 20 years old & needed a radiator, I bought a new one online for £65 & fitted it myself. If I had taken it to the dealer, the part would have been £250 with £150 labour plus VAT, total £480 v £65!
They do have a lot of overheads , expensive showrooms , energy, insurance and wages . Hourly rate has increased a lot but mechanics wages not increased that much.
@@bharatmodi6712 Maybe at the Main Stealer, that would take me around an hour & Im not a professional mechanic. I was being generous saying £150. My wife drove down a post in this car, I bought both doors in the same colour for £70 & fitted them myself. I’ve also just bought a leather interior for our other car, with a blown seat airbag! Airbag on eBay was £20 & £80 to replace one leather panel & stitch up the seat at the local auto upholster.
@@bharatmodi6712 My Yaris radiator was easy to fit unlike some cars cost about £65 and used Ford super coolant as lasts 10 years . If they have air con, grills and power steering pumps etc in way it takes a lot longer. Modern diesels are now too expensive to repair , £1200 for DPF system , ERG valves 200 + , Radars 2 K
I serviced an A200 Merc 1.3 2020....oil+filter, cabin filter, air filter, front and rear brake pads, checked underneath, checked +topped up fluids, reset service warning, checked+ reset TPMS and diagnostic scan.... around £140 in parts and pack of beer😂...I do it as a bit of a hobby....oil change and pads is £766 at Mercedes😮
My most recent car, low mileage, great condition, 12 years old, had fault with a steering torque sensor (which i think is why the last owner sold it), slightly harder to turn one way, dealerships want £2500 to replace the steering rack, because they won't replace the sensor, I took the sensor apart in situ and filled it with silicone lubricant, problem disappeared, it's a known problem that the factory installed lubricant turns into a solid mass by he time the car hit's 90k miles and it starts to wear down the plastic sensor ring (mine has done 60k). The reason repairs are so expensive is because dealerships have a "first time fix" policy, they will replace an entire assembly instead of just the faulty part, so it's almost impossible to get the individual parts cheaply and you have to fork out half the cars value for a fault that may just be a plastic clip on a £50 sub-assembly. But then they also now code parts arbitrarily to the cars ECU, so that even if you replace it, it won't work without franchised dealership intervention.
This is why car dealers are packing up. Radar is part of the safety features of the car Imagine the litigation if the car crashes because the system has been coded out . Big lawsuit incoming
I have had a few hire cars with radar recently, all of them had the radar disconnected, presumably this is their way of dealing with issues with the radar
Indeed. If you describe the product you are selling as an Iphone 12, the buyer can assume it has all the working functionality of a new Iphone 12. The seller can't just say "it still makes and receives calls" if the camera doesn't work. People buy from dealers rather than privately in part because of the legal protection this gives them.
No radar means no more adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist etc. VW has had these kind of features since the mk7 golf launch. Subaru as well, eyesight (pure camera based) since around 2012. So I would assume it’s VERY close to trickling into the sub £5k market.
EV's will be too expensive to repair for the average person when they go wrong. A ten year old ev will be virtually worthless. I'm sticking with my ice car thanks.
Forget it. Car manufacturers have spent a fortune on R&D relating to corrosion, but that is small mercy on a 10 year old car that has failed due to an electronic/software issue. All cars manufactured in the past 10 years and going forward will be scrapped unless you spend a fortune at a specialist or dealer garage trying to diagnose CPU/software issues. Even then it may not be economical to repair. The stories I am hearing are scary. The value of older cars with limited CPU/software interference will skyrocket. Mark my words.
Except most Japanese cars are great for reliability but if not looked after absolute rott boxes underneath, they don't salt roads in Japan so don't take anti-corrosion seriously. Ask me how I know .
The used car market is drying up because owners are hanging on to them, even spending £1-2k on repairs is worth it now, as a decent used car will remain a high end car. Even a basic EV costs £25k+ and anything decent with a rubbish range is £60k. The £15k penalty will make it worse. Far better to keep a quality ICE car up to spec than spend silly money on a new one that will lose £5k+ in the first 12 months.
There are a lot of Eastern Europeans selling parts from scrapyards. Great parts and excellent postage. Virtually no scrap yards here and ones that are want stupid money
Problem with a lot of the radar cars is that the cruise control won't activate without it operating. There's where the issues lie. But good conversation lads. It's so true. A few years from now some cars could be technically written off by broken devices that are simply unnecessary. Hard times for the used car dealer selling cheaper stuff that's for sure
Four car dealers deciding what’s safe or not 🤔 Surely the reason people pay a full price from a dealer is to have the reassurance that your 3 month warranty will cover faults? If you behave in the manner you have just said in this video, your customers are just as well buy from a private seller! Don’t lose sight of your customers or you’ll lose them 👍
Well I'm taking my 2010 Octavia to my mechanic tomorrow, to fix the Airbag light that came on. Already striped the wires on the passenger dashboard and managed to take out the airbag out, to check, but all the wires were ok, so now, going to take out the middle dash out, to get to the ABS module, to see. Really hope he can get to the bottom of it.
I have a 2005 93 convertible, it has covered 32000 miles, it looks like new I have all the pads and discs replaced plus two front brake calipers, also had all the air con system replaced, had a full service including the manual gearbox in total I have spent £1700 and the car is fantastic, I bought a fap switch brand new for £30 on ebay which was the exact one from original. Look after your older car and it will go for years to come. SAAB is pretty much a Vauxhall Vectra and the parts are very reasonable.
@@topfuelteddy I was given every MOT certificate when I bought this car, it had 29,000 on the clock when I bought it. The car had been garaged all its life and looks immaculate.
Surely your insurance quote is based on safety features being operational. For example, Brake Assist. I believe that would be considered 'Fit for purpose'.
When I'm buying an old car I don't expect perfection/ I don't even mind repair costs every couple of years because it's all cheaper than £300 per month leasing or on depreciation on a new car. The tech on newer cars is becoming off putting and makes me want to keep an older car longer. Interesting to hear the dealer's perspective.
My 2005 diesel vdub has no: Electric windows Heated seats Electric wing mirrors Lane assist Cruise control Electric seats Auto sensing wipers Auto sensing lights Collision avoidance Reversing cameras Heated windscreen Heated wipers Climate control Parking sensors Remote central locking Adaptive suspension Infotainment system ABS brakes Internet connection Navigation system But it is reliable and comfortable. And economical. And cheap to insure and maintain. And has increased in value by £2k in the last two years (or so says the insurance company). Interesting discussion chaps. New cars are like mobile phones- mechanically they'll keep working, but software and electronics will write them off. I've already been seeing perfectly good looking, 6, 8, 10 YO cars in vehicle dismantlers. No one knows how to fix them (cheaply).
I have a 2014 Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.4 petrol.... it doesn't even have an oil service light.😂 You could do most things to it at the side of the road with a good socket set.
Hello, Joe, it's Liam. It's just something I noticed, lol. But, why don't you put up Framed Copies, of those Certificates, you just got, up behind you? Take a Peek and see what you think 🤔 lol. Anyway, Wicked Podcast again, Joe. Thank you, Dave, James and Theo. There's always great Banter, from the Four of you. Fantastic and Priceless Knowledge, and very Funny lol. Forgive me, Joe, I'm Irish lol 😆 🤣 😂 😅. And Thank you, Joe. 🙏🙏🚗🏍👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Disabling the radar shouldn't be a problem for insurance, as when you take out a policy it asks for a list of modifications. You simply state that the radar has been deactivated, or anything else that has been disabled.
An iphone doesnt usually cost £7k. There is a reason that some people pay to buy from a dealer and it is usually the peace of mind otherwise just buy private and maybe bring an aa man to check it at the time and or get independent warranty.
interested to know how you feel about shady dealers who say they are private sellers - usually guys with one car at a time from their driveway, and ow to sort them out
You take your car in for a MOT with a warning light on your dashboard, its an instant fail, no matter it is. My radar has a brain fart sometimes but clears a half an hour later, imagine I take it for a MOT when it happens, I'll have to pay twice because of it..
Surely like all technology it will become commodity and specialists will develop those skills to repair. I'm sure that people said the same about the first ECU's etc
Sadly, I don't see it happening. Manufacturers will not give up their IP lightly. Just say that they did. How would people test their software changes? Also, imagine if Herbert, the conscientious software developer/hacker made a change, to say, the steering control that caused the car to turn left instead of right under a very strange set of circumstances. Would you trust it? Not many would. I'd like to think these systems could go the way of the Linux O.S. The trouble is the cost of setting up a test envirnonment for all makes and models of cars would be just too prohibitive. It is a big problem.
@Hemswell agreed on future software improvements changes. But maintaining a vehicle at the same level is definitely not beyond the realms of possibility
The problem is the majority of dealers aren't as fair as you guys, so people expect the worst from the off. During covid, I bought a bike remotely, from a main dealer. It had a full test and had apparently had been fully inspected to Honda standards. I paid for it, and had it delivered by the firm they use. It had a misfire and cut out. Dealer didn't want to know because it was ebay "sold as seen" on the listing. They got as far as take it bring to them and they'll "see what they can do". I stuck it in the trailer, took it to a local mechanic, he checked it over, stuck a new pair of spark plugs in and charged not a lot. I told the dealer this, showed them the receipt asked if they'd chip in. Straight no because they didn't authorise the repair. Put me off ever buying off them again for the sake of a
Well thats just typical, dealers want to you a car, make a load of profit every time, and not look after the punter that they've sold it to. It's nothing to do with being fit for purpose, Its about selling reliable cars and being responsible for it. buying cheap cars in auctions or rubbish cars from main dealers PX's and still expecting to make a profit on it.
Lads, sounds a bit like running a business!! Bloody nightmare isnt it? But dont worry, there is no easy way of doing it, no easy way to earn money. In my fifty odd years of working I ran all sorts of businesses, including motor trade ( in the 70's/80's), there aint nothing thats easy! Now to the subject you started with, now retired I fiddle around with classic cars, and for the reasons you mention, the electronics etc, several of us talking agreed modern cars have so much junk on them that would be uneconomic to repair or replace if it failed, the modern classic in the future wont exist. Paying out £12k for some ECU work on a Ferrari would be viable, but on a Focus ST?
Tbh I never buy a car where the advert is just full of dealer info. I can get that from their website and reviews. I clicked on it because I want to know about the car. Instant turn off for me.
The cheap cars uneconomical to repair is by design....manufactures make zero money on old cars as they will charge more for the car parts than the car's value, so they can get u into a finance package for a less that 3-year-old car, then after a few years...rinse and repeat Massive changes coming for used car dealers unless consumer rights is amended to adjust its conditions regarding " present at point of sale" & " fit for use" in regatds to 10+ year old cars, and cars past manufactures warranty..they warranty cars for a specific time and millage for a reason, that reason being the parts were made to last at least but not guaranteed to last longer than the warranty
You wait to see bout this radar on the new stuff insurance company are now coming out and checking so if it deleted now they won’t pay out in a crash it to much of a mine field now
I would much prefer to buy a car that is totally basic. No parking sensors, radar, electric windows, alloy wheels etc etc as opposed to these mobile computers. In fact, I would even go back to carburettors instead of EFI. I hate just waiting for stuff to fail because of a cheap plastic component that can only be purchased and fitted by some spotty youth for a king's ransom! Sorry, rant over.
not a car guy myself, but motorbikes - i share your sentiment. bikes are now coming stuffed full of electronics. gah. i mean, it is fine as an option, but it isn't an option. really annoying.
Yes it's funny how the government has had more out of some products than the manufacturer or someone like yourselves reselling cars, so why are they exempt from any liability that they have had cut out of .
You only have to look at HGV’s, the Government makes far more on each truck than the operator, with VED costing £1000’s & 60% tax on each litre of fuel. They can’t even provide decent overnight parking for them either after taking all that tax!
Ironically manufacturers usually warranty their cars from new for 3 years 30,000 miles. Because they know it’s normal wear and tare after that and they won’t be held liable. Once it’s sold as second hand, a 12 year old car, say, is considered differently for some reason and everything should work? . FFS
you take out the radar , replace the grill and remove off the computer ? insurance companies know what should be on that car and if you have a accident and a missing radar could of stopped it happening are you not liable ? sounds well dodgy to me and shouldn’t be done , the customer could also invalidate there insurance and have it cancelled as the car has been modified from standard how it left the factory
The days of car dealers flipping from auction for a few grand are soon over, big cry, boo hoo hoo. The future will be reserved for mechanically minded DIY ers who fix themselves.
You, obviously. Saying it’s a load of shit and just for views.. it is UA-cam after all. As I say, your comments used to be positive but I’ve noticed you’ve become really negative recently 🤷♂️
Whats so great about main dealers ? Most don't give a shit once you've handed over your cash and will try every trick in the book to get out of warranty work. When it comes to servicing they are simply robbing b*stards.
With regard to the Radar problem, you guys are getting a bit hysterical about this. In time little companys will spring up who will offer you a postal repair service to repair your radar units for a reasonable price, just like has happened with Engine management units. As the demand for these repairs rises so will the supply, simples !!
Not so simple. If only.... Diagnosing the problem is the main issue because the manufacturer won't release their intellectual property (software codes). And part swapping requires coding, to allow any replacement parts to work with the onboard computers. No different to replacing the battery in new mobile phones... won't work without an authorisation code.
No point complaining about stuff. You all went into the business knowing the negatives. If you sell second hand straight from auction stuff. You're going to get issues. Even second hand straight from a private seller could have hidden issues. Car dealers never complain about having a good year. Suck it up buttercup.
Time for the dealers to move up market and leave the cheap end. Eventually the marginal customers will just have to buy privately for cash and take the hit on any repairs. Even at the £5K level they should with luck get two years out of a car before scrapping it. I guess the problem will be if they are sold a scrap car in the first place which privately gives them zero comeback. As you say they will have to 'suck it up' and save another £5k and have another go.
No one wants a new EV, you aren’t going to have any takers for ten year old rolling fire hazards 😂😂😂😂😂. They will be gone soon, manufacturers will have to stand up at some point and refuse to comply with government lies and climate bollox and revert to petrol or they will become history. It’s clear when a company like Porsche won’t take back in part ex their OWN EV rubbish unless you are buying another one that there is no market for the tacky crap.
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Why is Ricky Gervais masquerading as a used cars dealer called James Alford?
Not just me then. He is spot on Gervais.
❤😂Brilliant thanks 😊
When he says Not me on the Auto Trader point at 1m is prime, prime Gervais
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@@leytonjones8138 yup, expecting him to start talking about Jane immediately after.
My car is nearly 20 years old & needed a radiator, I bought a new one online for £65 & fitted it myself. If I had taken it to the dealer, the part would have been £250 with £150 labour plus VAT, total £480 v £65!
They do have a lot of overheads , expensive showrooms , energy, insurance and wages . Hourly rate has increased a lot but mechanics wages not increased that much.
You be lucky to pay £150 labour on a radiator. More like 350
@@bharatmodi6712 Maybe at the Main Stealer, that would take me around an hour & Im not a professional mechanic. I was being generous saying £150.
My wife drove down a post in this car, I bought both doors in the same colour for £70 & fitted them myself.
I’ve also just bought a leather interior for our other car, with a blown seat airbag! Airbag on eBay was £20 & £80 to replace one leather panel & stitch up the seat at the local auto upholster.
@@bharatmodi6712 My Yaris radiator was easy to fit unlike some cars cost about £65 and used Ford super coolant as lasts 10 years . If they have air con, grills and power steering pumps etc in way it takes a lot longer. Modern diesels are now too expensive to repair , £1200 for DPF system , ERG valves 200 + , Radars 2 K
I serviced an A200 Merc 1.3 2020....oil+filter, cabin filter, air filter, front and rear brake pads, checked underneath, checked +topped up fluids, reset service warning, checked+ reset TPMS and diagnostic scan.... around £140 in parts and pack of beer😂...I do it as a bit of a hobby....oil change and pads is £766 at Mercedes😮
My most recent car, low mileage, great condition, 12 years old, had fault with a steering torque sensor (which i think is why the last owner sold it), slightly harder to turn one way, dealerships want £2500 to replace the steering rack, because they won't replace the sensor, I took the sensor apart in situ and filled it with silicone lubricant, problem disappeared, it's a known problem that the factory installed lubricant turns into a solid mass by he time the car hit's 90k miles and it starts to wear down the plastic sensor ring (mine has done 60k).
The reason repairs are so expensive is because dealerships have a "first time fix" policy, they will replace an entire assembly instead of just the faulty part, so it's almost impossible to get the individual parts cheaply and you have to fork out half the cars value for a fault that may just be a plastic clip on a £50 sub-assembly. But then they also now code parts arbitrarily to the cars ECU, so that even if you replace it, it won't work without franchised dealership intervention.
Deffo keeping my old cars!
don't forget the £1000 LEd headlights
Mazda units are £600 a pop if you want the ones that go round corners.
@@andymaidment111 Spares must make more profit than the car !
@@peterwait641that’s always been the case
This is why car dealers are packing up.
Radar is part of the safety features of the car
Imagine the litigation if the car crashes because the system has been coded out . Big lawsuit incoming
I have had a few hire cars with radar recently, all of them had the radar disconnected, presumably this is their way of dealing with issues with the radar
As a dealer I don't think you can decide "what is fit for purpose" it is a legal definition and any argument would be decided in court.
Indeed. If you describe the product you are selling as an Iphone 12, the buyer can assume it has all the working functionality of a new Iphone 12. The seller can't just say "it still makes and receives calls" if the camera doesn't work. People buy from dealers rather than privately in part because of the legal protection this gives them.
I don’t want radar or parking sensors or anything else so this is great news.
No radar means no more adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist etc. VW has had these kind of features since the mk7 golf launch. Subaru as well, eyesight (pure camera based) since around 2012.
So I would assume it’s VERY close to trickling into the sub £5k market.
They will be cheaper to maintain than an EV at any price!
Unlikely, plus you will have no choice anyway.
EV's will be too expensive to repair for the average person when they go wrong. A ten year old ev will be virtually worthless. I'm sticking with my ice car thanks.
Bit of a difference between parking sensors not working and radar not working.
In what way? Neither are needed.
@huwsparky175303 Neither is a heater or aircon, but they would fix those, so what is your point?
Forget it. Car manufacturers have spent a fortune on R&D relating to corrosion, but that is small mercy on a 10 year old car that has failed due to an electronic/software issue. All cars manufactured in the past 10 years and going forward will be scrapped unless you spend a fortune at a specialist or dealer garage trying to diagnose CPU/software issues. Even then it may not be economical to repair. The stories I am hearing are scary. The value of older cars with limited CPU/software interference will skyrocket. Mark my words.
But how many of these older cars will even be left ? Hardly any around now. Almost every car I see is really new.
Except most Japanese cars are great for reliability but if not looked after absolute rott boxes underneath, they don't salt roads in Japan so don't take anti-corrosion seriously. Ask me how I know .
The used car market is drying up because owners are hanging on to them, even spending £1-2k on repairs is worth it now, as a decent used car will remain a high end car. Even a basic EV costs £25k+ and anything decent with a rubbish range is £60k. The £15k penalty will make it worse. Far better to keep a quality ICE car up to spec than spend silly money on a new one that will lose £5k+ in the first 12 months.
@VisorView loose £5k before you even get it home probably.
Parts availability for older cars is collapsing, not all car components will be taken up by secondary manufacturers.
Buy a car model that has sold in large numbers and not too complicated unless rich.
eBay is my friend for car parts. My car is 20YO diesel vdub. Parts are cheap as chips...£80 a year maintenance costs.
There are a lot of Eastern Europeans selling parts from scrapyards. Great parts and excellent postage. Virtually no scrap yards here and ones that are want stupid money
Problem with a lot of the radar cars is that the cruise control won't activate without it operating. There's where the issues lie. But good conversation lads. It's so true. A few years from now some cars could be technically written off by broken devices that are simply unnecessary. Hard times for the used car dealer selling cheaper stuff that's for sure
Is there any cheaper stuff that is still usable now ?
Four car dealers deciding what’s safe or not 🤔
Surely the reason people pay a full price from a dealer is to have the reassurance that your 3 month warranty will cover faults?
If you behave in the manner you have just said in this video, your customers are just as well buy from a private seller!
Don’t lose sight of your customers or you’ll lose them 👍
If a fault light appears on the dashboard it will be an MOT failure so not fit for purpose because you can't legally drive it.
People will drive around with cloned plates and no tax and MOT.
@@topfuelteddy Half of west Yokrshire already do
@@Strider9655don’t blame them
Fascinating video. Thought provoking
Well I'm taking my 2010 Octavia to my mechanic tomorrow, to fix the Airbag light that came on. Already striped the wires on the passenger dashboard and managed to take out the airbag out, to check, but all the wires were ok, so now, going to take out the middle dash out, to get to the ABS module, to see. Really hope he can get to the bottom of it.
Had a bmw with air bag light on it turned out the connection to the transducer under the seat which connects to the seat belt had a dusty connection!
@@mrmick4757 All already been checked, but unfortunately not what's the problem, Oh well.
Just tape over the light or remove the bulb.
@@notmanynamesleft If only it was that simple. Won't get past the tester
@@larryrichmond8929 lol I was just joking, hopefully you get it sorted, can't see it being anything crazy to sort! 👍🏼
Get a decent old 2nd hand car well made and maintained.. got a Volvo v70 D5 06 plate 120k miles.. great car
This is the second podcast in succession that I have already seen, what is that about then, have I missed something.
They're just shorter clips as some people prefer bitesize videos
You should only have to cover non-wear and tear MOT items, along with engine and gearbox.
I have a 2005 93 convertible, it has covered 32000 miles, it looks like new I have all the pads and discs replaced plus two front brake calipers, also had all the air con system replaced, had a full service including the manual gearbox in total I have spent £1700 and the car is fantastic, I bought a fap switch brand new for £30 on ebay which was the exact one from original. Look after your older car and it will go for years to come. SAAB is pretty much a Vauxhall Vectra and the parts are very reasonable.
Hehe similar story on my 1996 900 v6 convertible 1700 later but yes the Vauxhall connection is convenient 😅
That's crazy low mileage for a car of that age .
@@topfuelteddy I was given every MOT certificate when I bought this car, it had 29,000 on the clock when I bought it. The car had been garaged all its life and looks immaculate.
Surely your insurance quote is based on safety features being operational. For example, Brake Assist. I believe that would be considered 'Fit for purpose'.
When I'm buying an old car I don't expect perfection/ I don't even mind repair costs every couple of years because it's all cheaper than £300 per month leasing or on depreciation on a new car. The tech on newer cars is becoming off putting and makes me want to keep an older car longer. Interesting to hear the dealer's perspective.
Thing is joe the odd car for fun you buy is fabulous pal ! Many of us won’t have the chance to drive these but brilliant insight ❤🎉😊
My 2005 diesel vdub has no:
Electric windows
Heated seats
Electric wing mirrors
Lane assist
Cruise control
Electric seats
Auto sensing wipers
Auto sensing lights
Collision avoidance
Reversing cameras
Heated windscreen
Heated wipers
Climate control
Parking sensors
Remote central locking
Adaptive suspension
Infotainment system
ABS brakes
Internet connection
Navigation system
But it is reliable and comfortable. And economical. And cheap to insure and maintain.
And has increased in value by £2k in the last two years (or so says the insurance company).
Interesting discussion chaps. New cars are like mobile phones- mechanically they'll keep working, but software and electronics will write them off. I've already been seeing perfectly good looking, 6, 8, 10 YO cars in vehicle dismantlers. No one knows how to fix them (cheaply).
I have a 2014 Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.4 petrol.... it doesn't even have an oil service light.😂 You could do most things to it at the side of the road with a good socket set.
Hello, Joe, it's Liam. It's just something I noticed, lol. But, why don't you put up Framed Copies, of those Certificates, you just got, up behind you? Take a Peek and see what you think 🤔 lol. Anyway, Wicked Podcast again, Joe. Thank you, Dave, James and Theo. There's always great Banter, from the Four of you. Fantastic and Priceless Knowledge, and very Funny lol. Forgive me, Joe, I'm Irish lol 😆 🤣 😂 😅. And Thank you, Joe. 🙏🙏🚗🏍👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Disabling the radar shouldn't be a problem for insurance, as when you take out a policy it asks for a list of modifications. You simply state that the radar has been deactivated, or anything else that has been disabled.
An iphone doesnt usually cost £7k. There is a reason that some people pay to buy from a dealer and it is usually the peace of mind otherwise just buy private and maybe bring an aa man to check it at the time and or get independent warranty.
interested to know how you feel about shady dealers who say they are private sellers - usually guys with one car at a time from their driveway, and ow to sort them out
There was talks to bring in regulations and a car dealer license. Sooner the better I say!
@ yep as a buyer would be good. Sick of the selling for a mate lot
Simplified cars is the future.
As a Mechanic who worked for a dealer, I’m terrified of being a dealer coz I’ve seen my boss in some serious sheet
Hmmm very interesting points made. Not sure what to think of it all to be honest.
Hi lads its the same in every trade
Bring back Citroen 2cv, renault 4/6, mini, escorts. Please
Not pay for radar but you will still add a £2k premium over what motorway offer.
They've combined the consumer disposable electronic device philosophy with a car, which isn't a consumer disposable device.
Surely if you say whats not working and I want to buy it thats fine? Things important to me might not be to others
You take your car in for a MOT with a warning light on your dashboard, its an instant fail, no matter it is. My radar has a brain fart sometimes but clears a half an hour later, imagine I take it for a MOT when it happens, I'll have to pay twice because of it..
Surely like all technology it will become commodity and specialists will develop those skills to repair. I'm sure that people said the same about the first ECU's etc
Sadly, I don't see it happening. Manufacturers will not give up their IP lightly. Just say that they did. How would people test their software changes? Also, imagine if Herbert, the conscientious software developer/hacker made a change, to say, the steering control that caused the car to turn left instead of right under a very strange set of circumstances. Would you trust it? Not many would. I'd like to think these systems could go the way of the Linux O.S. The trouble is the cost of setting up a test envirnonment for all makes and models of cars would be just too prohibitive.
It is a big problem.
@Hemswell agreed on future software improvements changes. But maintaining a vehicle at the same level is definitely not beyond the realms of possibility
@Hemswell
Nailed it 👍🏻
Vauxhall astra k steering rack £2300 insurance company maybe righting it off
What is radar,my Snooper detects police radar 🤔
Ricky Gervais top left. Good vid though. Punters need to be aware of all this crap too.
The problem is the majority of dealers aren't as fair as you guys, so people expect the worst from the off. During covid, I bought a bike remotely, from a main dealer. It had a full test and had apparently had been fully inspected to Honda standards. I paid for it, and had it delivered by the firm they use. It had a misfire and cut out. Dealer didn't want to know because it was ebay "sold as seen" on the listing. They got as far as take it bring to them and they'll "see what they can do". I stuck it in the trailer, took it to a local mechanic, he checked it over, stuck a new pair of spark plugs in and charged not a lot. I told the dealer this, showed them the receipt asked if they'd chip in. Straight no because they didn't authorise the repair. Put me off ever buying off them again for the sake of a
Insurance is a growing scam. I tried to send a laptop (insured) recently and the small print of the policy specifically EXCLUDED laptops. Scammers.
Well thats just typical, dealers want to you a car, make a load of profit every time, and not look after the punter that they've sold it to. It's nothing to do with being fit for purpose, Its about selling reliable cars and being responsible for it. buying cheap cars in auctions or rubbish cars from main dealers PX's and still expecting to make a profit on it.
If you can't trust 4 secondhand car dealers, who can you trust? Just kidding guys. Really concise and informative vid. Excellent.
Lads, sounds a bit like running a business!! Bloody nightmare isnt it? But dont worry, there is no easy way of doing it, no easy way to earn money. In my fifty odd years of working I ran all sorts of businesses, including motor trade ( in the 70's/80's), there aint nothing thats easy!
Now to the subject you started with, now retired I fiddle around with classic cars, and for the reasons you mention, the electronics etc, several of us talking agreed modern cars have so much junk on them that would be uneconomic to repair or replace if it failed, the modern classic in the future wont exist. Paying out £12k for some ECU work on a Ferrari would be viable, but on a Focus ST?
Tbh I never buy a car where the advert is just full of dealer info. I can get that from their website and reviews. I clicked on it because I want to know about the car. Instant turn off for me.
The cheap cars uneconomical to repair is by design....manufactures make zero money on old cars as they will charge more for the car parts than the car's value, so they can get u into a finance package for a less that 3-year-old car, then after a few years...rinse and repeat
Massive changes coming for used car dealers unless consumer rights is amended to adjust its conditions regarding " present at point of sale" & " fit for use" in regatds to 10+ year old cars, and cars past manufactures warranty..they warranty cars for a specific time and millage for a reason, that reason being the parts were made to last at least but not guaranteed to last longer than the warranty
i am not paying 10k for a car if anything is broken
You wait to see bout this radar on the new stuff insurance company are now coming out and checking so if it deleted now they won’t pay out in a crash it to much of a mine field now
I would much prefer to buy a car that is totally basic.
No parking sensors, radar, electric windows, alloy wheels etc etc as opposed to these mobile computers.
In fact, I would even go back to carburettors instead of EFI.
I hate just waiting for stuff to fail because of a cheap plastic component that can only be purchased and fitted by some spotty youth for a king's ransom!
Sorry, rant over.
not a car guy myself, but motorbikes - i share your sentiment. bikes are now coming stuffed full of electronics. gah.
i mean, it is fine as an option, but it isn't an option. really annoying.
Yes it's funny how the government has had more out of some products than the manufacturer or someone like yourselves reselling cars, so why are they exempt from any liability that they have had cut out of .
You only have to look at HGV’s, the Government makes far more on each truck than the operator, with VED costing £1000’s & 60% tax on each litre of fuel.
They can’t even provide decent overnight parking for them either after taking all that tax!
Ironically manufacturers usually warranty their cars from new for 3 years 30,000 miles. Because they know it’s normal wear and tare after that and they won’t be held liable.
Once it’s sold as second hand, a 12 year old car, say, is considered differently for some reason and everything should work? . FFS
Some cars are using cheaper parts a Korean model is know for the power steering wearing out at 40-50 k .
CRUFTS......
I suspect it will be a condition of insurance and MOT that the safety systems, radar, lane guidance etc will continue to work.
WEREWOLF'S ARE REAL AND HAVE BEEN SEEN IN THE UK 🇬🇧
They're in Southall
London ? At a Chinese restaurant ?
American ones 🐺
Planned obsolescence
you take out the radar , replace the grill and remove off the computer ? insurance companies know what should be on that car and if you have a accident and a missing radar could of stopped it happening are you not liable ? sounds well dodgy to me and shouldn’t be done , the customer could also invalidate there insurance and have it cancelled as the car has been modified from standard how it left the factory
No such thing as a cheap car.
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The days of car dealers flipping from auction for a few grand are soon over, big cry, boo hoo hoo.
The future will be reserved for mechanically minded DIY ers who fix themselves.
Load of shit! Just after views.. buy from main dealer
You used to post quite positive comments Andrew but now you’ve become quite the twat. Is everything ok?
@@RealTorquePodcastwho you calling a twat?
You, obviously. Saying it’s a load of shit and just for views.. it is UA-cam after all. As I say, your comments used to be positive but I’ve noticed you’ve become really negative recently 🤷♂️
Whats so great about main dealers ? Most don't give a shit once you've handed over your cash and will try every trick in the book to get out of warranty work. When it comes to servicing they are simply robbing b*stards.
You won’t be in business you lot used cars are finished
With regard to the Radar problem, you guys are getting a bit hysterical about this. In time little companys will spring up who will offer you a postal repair service to repair your radar units for a reasonable price, just like has happened with Engine management units. As the demand for these repairs rises so will the supply, simples !!
Not so simple. If only....
Diagnosing the problem is the main issue because the manufacturer won't release their intellectual property (software codes). And part swapping requires coding, to allow any replacement parts to work with the onboard computers. No different to replacing the battery in new mobile phones... won't work without an authorisation code.
No point complaining about stuff. You all went into the business knowing the negatives. If you sell second hand straight from auction stuff. You're going to get issues. Even second hand straight from a private seller could have hidden issues. Car dealers never complain about having a good year. Suck it up buttercup.
Time for the dealers to move up market and leave the cheap end. Eventually the marginal customers will just have to buy privately for cash and take the hit on any repairs. Even at the £5K level they should with luck get two years out of a car before scrapping it. I guess the problem will be if they are sold a scrap car in the first place which privately gives them zero comeback. As you say they will have to 'suck it up' and save another £5k and have another go.
If it can pass an M O T should be the standard
No one wants a new EV, you aren’t going to have any takers for ten year old rolling fire hazards 😂😂😂😂😂. They will be gone soon, manufacturers will have to stand up at some point and refuse to comply with government lies and climate bollox and revert to petrol or they will become history. It’s clear when a company like Porsche won’t take back in part ex their OWN EV rubbish unless you are buying another one that there is no market for the tacky crap.