The crown prosecution service employ a man who likes women's clothing who tried to make r*** where you r*** someone once you've tricked them into your house on the basis they thought you weren't going to penetrate them not r***. Every single bit of this is insane
In the same paragraph where Amnesty says women are descriminated for "identifying", they say this oppression is because the Talibans imposed their version of sharia law, as if not all sharia is oppressing women. Insanely disgusting organisation, totally captured.
Every woman who joined up to Salls safe place app needs to bring a case to the court of human rights claiming discrimination against their protected class due to the fact a biological man has removed their rights...... Start filling ladies.
Here in the U.S., the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has also been captured. The ACLU now represents the complete opposite of what it was founded to do. They are one step away from book burning. Their particular target was Abigail Shrier's book on the trans craze & social contagion among girls. Gender ID ideology has created a bizarro world in which everything is the opposite of what it used to be. This is intentional. It's the "queering" of the culture.
You can have female spaces, you just have to include men. These people are insane! Love Sall Grover, total warrior! Making us proud, Sall, keep fighting!!
In Australia I was on the national board of amnesty in the 1990s and I raised the issue of the treatment of Afghani women by the Taliban. No one there was interested.
@@RC-qf3mp when women in Afghanistan (and Iran and other countries) are subjugated by religious zealots it is the duty of all of us to help them resist.
@@alisonjenner5821 and now imagine the women are ‘saved’ by Australia’s moral authorities…who then force woke ideology down everybody’s neck, institute the death penalty for misgendering, and separate parents from children if the parents don’t go all-in on the kid’s woke doctor’s insistence that the kid needs chemical castration drugs, or double mastectomy and hysterectomy. Sorry-but just butt out of other country’s affairs. You guys have enough chaos with your own internal problems. Don’t need to spread your insane ideology elsewhere. Don’t need “Ms.” Tickle in charge of policy in Afghanistan.
Aussie here I'm sorry I missed the live stream. I have written to the prime minister the commissioner and the judge asking as it is medically impossible to change sex then the judges' comments in the summary and verdict that you can change sex was a lie. Shouldn't this make the verdict null and void. Why is the judge of the court allowed to lie when the courts are about the truth and nothing but the truth. I asked many questions and want responses from them all. I am interested to see how they will justify the judges' comments.
I really didn't want to hear the negative outcome of this case, so I waited for the right podcast to do so. Looks like I chose wisely. What an epic panel of badasses. 💚
Most of the Australian media is totally captured. Even the sympathetic outlets won't report really clearly about this case. So most Australians don't know what's happening. It's maddening. More people overseas know about it than at home.
Sall has fought an epic battle for the women of Australia. Amnesty International and the Australian Human Rights Commission can go take a flying leap. We’ll have to keep fighting as the UK reality lovers win.
I tell you what suddenly struck me as I was watching this: Why are decent, intelligent people all over the world having to even waste five minutes of their lives discussing this bollocks? (So to speak) What has happened? Where is this coming from? Where is it going? The only thing I can come up with is that social media opened the sluice gates to every inadequate loser who has ever felt snubbed by society to be able to make themselves heard and - jeez - are they using it. I can't see how this can be defeated.
It has to be defeated. It is stupidity, most of these people are not truly trans, they are AGP and a few are just out and out predators. Women and girls must be protected
Something people outside of Australia needs to remember is that Australia has tragically always been approximately 10 years behind the UK on many things. I read about it in a book about the differences between cultures in business, societies etc.
I too Used to donate monthly to Amnesty International until they decided to ignore Julian Assange. That was the wake up that I needed and the sneery letter that I got from some woke arse.
Sall said some time ago that she’d prefer smaller donations to a few large ones. Her reason was if 500,000 people donate a few dollars each it reflects that half a million people support her and agree with her fight. I’m sure she wouldn’t knock back a few large donations 😉😉 but for Sall having lots of supporters making smaller donations means more to her. I think her original fund raising platform is still open if you google Sall Grover fund raising. 🥰🥰🥰
46:59 The crocodile tears out of him really irritated me. He whinged that this has cost him 3 years of his life. To use a childish insult - you fucking started it! He could have stopped it anytime he wanted. And it didn’t cost him a penny. He just sat on his hairy arse and got legal aid, and $50k grant from the Grata fund (i think that’s what it’s called). In the interests of fairness, and ‘inclusivity’, where was Sall’s $50k from the Grata fund? 🤨 I couldn’t loathe that man more.
@@pollyparrot9447 I figured there would be few of them left since they’re mostly in our spaces. But seriously, they’re making us unsafe. The most we’d make them is annoyed. It might be good to remind them that there are no meaningful categories anymore, thanks to their successful lobbying efforts.
Enjoyed Arty’s comments. He said it’s all about control and it is. Narcissistic personality disorder is rife in so many of the people saying they are trans notably with the autogynophiles posing as women.
you are right, you tell people this and they can't believe it or they just feel there's nothing they can do. i feel we need to give a strong and specific call to action.
The Constitutional Clarion(an Australian Legal Scholar)on UA-cam covers the legal precedents that guided the Judges verdict. Interesting to listen too, as the decision was guided by Human Rights law precedents
The thing that sticks qith me and others have said is i got on your app and found i couldn't post or anything just like roxie tickle said. I just assumed the app had issues cos it was new and things take time to iron out. So i never tried to call sall. I never filed a complaint to human rights. I just waitwd and read what i could until sall had to take the app down because of tickle. 😂😂😂 I am not a narcissist though but i am an actual woman. A real vaginal autistic woman.
I wouldn’t dream of going on a lesbian website or go into a lesbian club. It’s disrespectful. It’s literally narcissistic to think your rights override other people’s.
In Asia there are lesbian only social media apps like lespark and the L that have so many different functions and when men try to go on them they are just removed as soon as you report them. “Male related” is one of the options for reporting people. They don’t let males in at all.
OMG, I’m sitting here watching this and, OMG! Sall , I too would never forget seeing on UA-cam men wanting to be women. I still can’t believe it I just want to say it was the same- and my husband didn’t even believe me at first
12:01 Yes, *people* are seeing this. We hear that ‘this’ (whatever new thing in the news) is peaking loads of people now. But none of that helps Sall. The Aussie man in the pub isn’t the captured judiciary. I understand that the Judge simply applied the letter of the law, so Sall’s legal team anticipated this judgment, though.
You need to close the comment section and then swipe left on the small window where you can see the number of comments and a line for you to enter a comment. If that makes sense...
if you click on more underneath the video title you will find the transcript. Lives take longer to generate the transcript, so they aren't usually available straight away, probably a couple of hours although they can take upto a day to appear.
Is there any way to message Graham directly? I can't find an email for him. I'd like to message him something directly related to 'the mess' that I don't want to share here in its entirety but I'm someone who would have been put down the 'trans' path if I was growing up today and have significant thoughts on it!
It's crazy, forcing lesbians to include men playing dress up into their dating pool is only half a step away from 'corrective rape'.
No, that's going on in women's prisons. & GWTW, but it's ok, Scarlett liked it & female author.
Rowling calls it fantasist cosplaying.
The crown prosecution service employ a man who likes women's clothing who tried to make r*** where you r*** someone once you've tricked them into your house on the basis they thought you weren't going to penetrate them not r***.
Every single bit of this is insane
I am completely behind Sall Grover! Well done!
Helen, your anger is justified and felt by many of us.
Great show everyone and thank you Sall on behalf of Australian and women all over the world for your fight for women and girls.You are our hero.
❤
I fully agree with Sal. If every space is inclusive to everyone, it ends up benefiting no one.
& of course is oppressive to & disrespectful of women.
Exactly waking up as a woman in Australia must be hard at the moment. Feel for you and your daughters and mothers.
In the same paragraph where Amnesty says women are descriminated for "identifying", they say this oppression is because the Talibans imposed their version of sharia law, as if not all sharia is oppressing women. Insanely disgusting organisation, totally captured.
Arty, good for pointing out that not only women's spaces are affected.
We are all behind Sal, and please share the next fundraising bonanza on The Mess, so I and others can share as widely as we can.
Every woman who joined up to Salls safe place app needs to bring a case to the court of human rights claiming discrimination against their protected class due to the fact a biological man has removed their rights......
Start filling ladies.
And after Gillard passed this ludicrous law she had the cheek to make her famous Misogyny Speech!!!!
Some people were probably only cheering it because they knew it was ironic!
100% behind you Sal. Please keep those of us without twitter up to date as to how we can continue to support your fight. ❤
Hearing SDall's daughter in the background brings tears to my eyes. So beautiful. I have two lovely daughters and one granddaughter.
Thank you, Sall! 💕
Stopped giving to Oxfam for the same reasons. These organisations are so captured!!
Here in the U.S., the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has also been captured. The ACLU now represents the complete opposite of what it was founded to do. They are one step away from book burning. Their particular target was Abigail Shrier's book on the trans craze & social contagion among girls. Gender ID ideology has created a bizarro world in which everything is the opposite of what it used to be. This is intentional. It's the "queering" of the culture.
Yes, feeding the starving BAD!
@@unowen-nh9ov That’s the point, your money isn’t going to “feed the starving”, it’s just feeding the pockets of the bureaucrats who buy into this BS.
Came here for any coverage of this monumental case in the US Media. Nothing. I hope that Megyn Kelly invites Sall back to her show!
You can have female spaces, you just have to include men.
These people are insane!
Love Sall Grover, total warrior! Making us proud, Sall, keep fighting!!
Thank you Sal
This means so much to me as a woman
Hoping women around the world wake up & stand up for our rights or we lose all rights
Now or never
In Australia I was on the national board of amnesty in the 1990s and I raised the issue of the treatment of Afghani women by the Taliban. No one there was interested.
Probably because it's insurmountable, non-binary doesn't exist in Algeria & so man beating woman for sport.
Star Trek prime directive. Just butt out of other countries’ affairs.
@@RC-qf3mp You do know that Star Trek was fiction, no?
@@RC-qf3mp when women in Afghanistan (and Iran and other countries) are subjugated by religious zealots it is the duty of all of us to help them resist.
@@alisonjenner5821 and now imagine the women are ‘saved’ by Australia’s moral authorities…who then force woke ideology down everybody’s neck, institute the death penalty for misgendering, and separate parents from children if the parents don’t go all-in on the kid’s woke doctor’s insistence that the kid needs chemical castration drugs, or double mastectomy and hysterectomy. Sorry-but just butt out of other country’s affairs. You guys have enough chaos with your own internal problems. Don’t need to spread your insane ideology elsewhere. Don’t need “Ms.” Tickle in charge of policy in Afghanistan.
Sall is a genuine inspiration ❤❤
Aussie here I'm sorry I missed the live stream. I have written to the prime minister the commissioner and the judge asking as it is medically impossible to change sex then the judges' comments in the summary and verdict that you can change sex was a lie. Shouldn't this make the verdict null and void. Why is the judge of the court allowed to lie when the courts are about the truth and nothing but the truth. I asked many questions and want responses from them all. I am interested to see how they will justify the judges' comments.
I wonder if the juge doesnt have somebody close who transitionned and needs to support that individual.
@@Ninonabc NYer here ,he’s probably a secret Ag NOTHING ELSE MAKES SENSE
The birth of the 'legal she male'! In Australian law and court. Hurray!!! You ain't seen nothing yet Mr. Tickle. ✊💪👿
I really didn't want to hear the negative outcome of this case, so I waited for the right podcast to do so.
Looks like I chose wisely. What an epic panel of badasses. 💚
Thank you for such huge courage, Sall. We're right with you on this.
Thank you for this interview! We women from all over the world must support Sall Grover in this fight, or we are done.
Most of the Australian media is totally captured. Even the sympathetic outlets won't report really clearly about this case. So most Australians don't know what's happening. It's maddening. More people overseas know about it than at home.
Thanks for this great coverage. So little in the media here in Australia!
Thank you Sal Grover and for this talk. Keep up the good fight
#iamaproudterf
I'm with you 100% Sal. The world has officially gone mad. We need a "me too" equivalent hashtag.
Go Sall!!! We Aussie women are right behind you!
Sall has fought an epic battle for the women of Australia. Amnesty International and the Australian Human Rights Commission can go take a flying leap. We’ll have to keep fighting as the UK reality lovers win.
Thank you to Sall (and Helen, Arty, Graham too!). Such a tough fight but so important to keep going. Respect!
I just started watching this based on the Sall Grover interview, but I am impressed -- particularly by Arty, just great analytical insight,
35:00 birth certificates: if it's not scalable, it's wrong. The idea that governments accept "sex changes" at all is truly ludicrous.
Amnesty lost their way at least a decade ago, maybe even two decades ago.
I tell you what suddenly struck me as I was watching this: Why are decent, intelligent people all over the world having to even waste five minutes of their lives discussing this bollocks? (So to speak) What has happened? Where is this coming from? Where is it going? The only thing I can come up with is that social media opened the sluice gates to every inadequate loser who has ever felt snubbed by society to be able to make themselves heard and - jeez - are they using it. I can't see how this can be defeated.
Because lesbian feminists created an ideology that erases women so that now men can become lesbians too.
Their aim is to exhaust and demoralise us to the point that eventually we give up. But that’s not going to happen.
I have to agree 100%... personally, I think it will all come to a head when society reaches its limit... and i see that happening soon.
It has to be defeated. It is stupidity, most of these people are not truly trans, they are AGP and a few are just out and out predators. Women and girls must be protected
Brilliant episode. Sall is always great. You are all great. Could hear everyone clearly as well.
I am hoping that Roxy Tickle is to Australia what Isla Bryson was to the SNP
Amnesty lost me when they started running advertisements promising a rainbow bracelet in return for a donation.
Nothing wrong with diversity, threatening feminist lives online bad + RTA misogyny.
Sal is one of the most articulate people on this topic! Love you. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Sall, so very, very much!!
Go Sall. You are the best.
I know we're all here for Sal but how great is it to have Helen back too?!
My husband doesn’t understand how this affects everyone & thinks it’s a feminist thing in the background . Keep up the fight ❤
Australia is done, if utcontinues like that.
Keep going Sally you hero!
So great to hear from Sall, I thank her for all she's done and been through.
Very happy that you're up for the fight Sal. I greatly admire your stand.
Something people outside of Australia needs to remember is that Australia has tragically always been approximately 10 years behind the UK on many things. I read about it in a book about the differences between cultures in business, societies etc.
Thank you Sall~~~
Thankyou so much Sal and Glinner Arty and Helen-
I too Used to donate monthly to Amnesty International until they decided to ignore Julian Assange. That was the wake up that I needed and the sneery letter that I got from some woke arse.
Didn't he put lives @ risk?
We are with you Sal. Pls post up links to donate
Brilliant! Good of luck Sall, and thank you for all you do for us.
You’re amazing Sall❤
Tickle seems to be unwell. Why can nobody see it?
Yeah, the dirty bastard has AGP-itis.
i really hope JKR anonymously funds her appeal.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Fingers crossed. That said, if not let's hope everyone chips in something to reach the amount needed..
Or Elon Musk!
@@DonnaBrooks him too! i think this would be right up both elon's and JKR's alleys.
@@DonnaBrooksHe won't, he's anti- his trans daughter.
Sall said some time ago that she’d prefer smaller donations to a few large ones. Her reason was if 500,000 people donate a few dollars each it reflects that half a million people support her and agree with her fight. I’m sure she wouldn’t knock back a few large donations 😉😉 but for Sall having lots of supporters making smaller donations means more to her. I think her original fund raising platform is still open if you google Sall Grover fund raising. 🥰🥰🥰
46:59 The crocodile tears out of him really irritated me.
He whinged that this has cost him 3 years of his life.
To use a childish insult - you fucking started it!
He could have stopped it anytime he wanted.
And it didn’t cost him
a penny. He just sat on his hairy arse and got legal aid, and $50k grant from the Grata fund (i think that’s what it’s called).
In the interests of fairness, and ‘inclusivity’, where was Sall’s $50k from the Grata fund? 🤨
I couldn’t loathe that man more.
Arty's explanation of this case is exactly what i thought and everyone invested in this case too. It is a bit soviet 😂
There are spaces that are set aside for queer and trans people only. I wonder if the rest of us should join those spaces…
Why would we want to though? Normal people are capable of recognising and respecting other people's boundaries.
@@pollyparrot9447 I figured there would be few of them left since they’re mostly in our spaces. But seriously, they’re making us unsafe. The most we’d make them is annoyed. It might be good to remind them that there are no meaningful categories anymore, thanks to their successful lobbying efforts.
We are living in a crazy world!!!
Grateful I'm in my 7th decade (decayed).
Sall we love you. ❤️❤️❤️
Hope you win next time mate
This case is Kafkaesque.
Rowling says Orwellian.
@@unowen-nh9ov UK (Radio4) BBC Sounds podcast special feature on Orwell vs. Kafka explains the difference
@@unowen-nh9ovit's also pythonesque, and like the gibberish emitted at Alice in Wonderlands Mad hatters tea party.
Good luck Sal ,we are all behind you.💚🤍💜
Thank you Sall!
So great to see you all again!
Thanks Sall, LOVE YOUR WORK! xx
Shouldn't a judge have to define cisgender before using it.
Pretty sure it's not legally defined
Enjoyed Arty’s comments. He said it’s all about control and it is. Narcissistic personality disorder is rife in so many of the people saying they are trans notably with the autogynophiles posing as women.
you are right, you tell people this and they can't believe it or they just feel there's nothing they can do. i feel we need to give a strong and specific call to action.
It would be great to know where to donate.
Tickle won't lose anymore years of his life when he stops pretending he isn't a man.
I'm a total blocker too. Even if they look like they MIGHT be problematic, it's an insta-BLOCK. Life is too short.
Thank you Sall , GOD’S BLESSINGS
We fight on- it’s only just begun
Helen is back. Joy.
The Constitutional Clarion(an Australian Legal Scholar)on UA-cam covers the legal precedents that
guided the Judges verdict. Interesting to listen too, as the decision was guided by Human Rights law precedents
Too bad it wasn't guided by BIOLOGY, sex IS discriminatory, ask ANY woman once a month!
@@unowen-nh9ov
I agree and wonder now,how a legal precedent could be challenged?
That is a great channel and I hope that channel continues to follow this case as it goes to appeal ( hopefully) in the high court of Australia
“Preference cascade.” Good explanation, Arty.
The thing that sticks qith me and others have said is i got on your app and found i couldn't post or anything just like roxie tickle said. I just assumed the app had issues cos it was new and things take time to iron out. So i never tried to call sall. I never filed a complaint to human rights. I just waitwd and read what i could until sall had to take the app down because of tickle. 😂😂😂 I am not a narcissist though but i am an actual woman. A real vaginal autistic woman.
I wonder if the judge has a grand child who is trans or non binary ??? Mmmm?
Canary in the coalmine
I wouldn’t dream of going on a lesbian website or go into a lesbian club. It’s disrespectful. It’s literally narcissistic to think your rights override other people’s.
In Asia there are lesbian only social media apps like lespark and the L that have so many different functions and when men try to go on them they are just removed as soon as you report them. “Male related” is one of the options for reporting people. They don’t let males in at all.
GO HELEN!!!!!!😆🔥🔥🔥
OMG, I’m sitting here watching this and, OMG! Sall , I too would never forget seeing on UA-cam men wanting to be women. I still can’t believe it
I just want to say it was the same- and my husband didn’t even believe me at first
What was the cartoon she laughed at in court?
12:01 Yes, *people* are seeing this.
We hear that ‘this’ (whatever new thing in the news) is peaking loads of people now.
But none of that helps Sall.
The Aussie man in the pub isn’t the captured judiciary.
I understand that the Judge simply applied the letter of the law, so Sall’s legal team anticipated this judgment, though.
I don’t trust any NGO.
Travesty International
The word cisgender was a very good play from roxie tickle the super narcissist. He got ya there 😂😂😂 fark this country
NOT A WORD, STOP ENCOURAGING DYSPHORIA, beginning of a slippery slope.
Arty blink four times if Helen and Graham are keeping you chained up in the basement - stay strong, rescue will arrive one day
'Turkeys voting for Xmas'! HAHAH omg brilliant line Sall!
The Cass Report isn’t making inroads in USA either. 💔
HUGE amount of anti-trans legislation @ state levels, + SCOTUS unsupportive.
Does anyone know how we can look at the chat that happened during the live broadcast? It doesn't appear now.
You need to close the comment section and then swipe left on the small window where you can see the number of comments and a line for you to enter a comment. If that makes sense...
if you click on more underneath the video title you will find the transcript. Lives take longer to generate the transcript, so they aren't usually available straight away, probably a couple of hours although they can take upto a day to appear.
@@trippinggauntlet4520 Thanks!
@@V.CatCroissant I'm watching on my computer, not a phone.
49:33 Totally thought the same thing Arty re crocodile not alligator! 😅 I'd say it's a hangover from Sall's time in the USA.
Any perspective on the trading aspect influencing the decision
sorry I
mean Sall !
Can we use our words, not the expletives?
Sorry, typo, I meant best of luck.
Sall, you inspire me every day. You’re not alone in this fight. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
♀💜🤍💚💛
♂💛🖤❤💜
Is there any way to message Graham directly? I can't find an email for him. I'd like to message him something directly related to 'the mess' that I don't want to share here in its entirety but I'm someone who would have been put down the 'trans' path if I was growing up today and have significant thoughts on it!