It is interesting how information like this , that should be a very basic and "must know" in every reefer is actually overlooked. This subject is one of the milestone of the reeftanks and is very little mentioned. Thanks for sharing and educating.
I am assuming to run the BRS/Tropic Marin type C hybrid method, you just follow the instructions on the type C, or is there special mixing instructions?
We've typically mixed 7.5 of the included scoops of Part C with 1 gallon of RODI water. From there, dose at a 1:1 ratio with your BRS alkalinity solution.
So if I were to start dosing the part c with my two part solutions do I then need to stop dosing the Red Sea trace elements as to not overdose trace/minor elements?
The part C only accounts for the imbalance of trace elements caused by the salinity increase from two part dosing. It does not add any extra trace elements, so you can continue to use the Red Sea program.
Calcium Formate plus trace supplements could avoid this too, right? I love the bulk DIY All for Reef kit. Granted I have an LPS Dominant mixed tank, so consumption is lower than full sps.
Bulk Reef Supply I see, so it’s basically just trace elements, correct? So just adding part C periodically would increase trace elements without affecting other parameters?
Might look into the hybrid method, as far as salt goes looks like the tropic Marin is almost twice the price of instant ocean , which I have used for years... just wish all these prices haven’t escalated so much over the past few years...
We 100% understand that reefers are on a budget. Some larger than others, but nobody has unlimited money to spend on their tanks. If you feel that you're getting the results you're looking for with a less expensive salt mix, that's great 🙂 This "master" series is more about best practices.
So start with pharmaceutical grade salt in the beginning to avoid bigger chemical imbalance in the future... Got it! $100.00 bucket of salt here we go!!!! For my tank! I can tell it’ll be worth every penny!
We know it sounds expensive, but if you break it down into cost per gallon, it could mean spending just a few extra dollars per month for a higher quality mix. Of course, if you have a very large tank, it could be cost prohibitive to some reefers' budgets. That said, this "master" series is all about best practices, not necessarily the cheapest options.
I have a 39 gal salt tank for now fish only , and I changed to from E.S.V b ionic salt to corral reef pro .... my water turned soup pee green in a week... did a 95% water change and again turned water green ... I gave up on the Marin Coral pro salt .. this never happen to me before using b ionic .... I changed back to b ionic ... I did noticed green stands of Algae-like the bucket.. I think they may have package the wrong salt in the my salt container .... :(
Interesting, we've sold thousands of these buckets and have never heard of anything quite like this. If you've purchased this through us, shoot over an email with a photo of the strands of algae in the bucket to our support team at support@bulkreefsupply.com and we'd be happy to help!
ESV B-Ionic does avoid this issue by leaving behind a residual of ions which match an artificial seawater mix, rather than sodium chloride alone. As long as salinity is maintained, it will not deplete the concentration of other ions. It was developed to solve this problem in the early 90’s when hobbyists were using calcium chloride and sodium carbonate/bicarbonate buffers alone to maintain levels usually when kalkwasser fell short.
I wish I could justify getting a more expensive salt. I buy almost all my dry goods from BRS, but Amazon's price on Reef Crystals just can't be beat. I'm guessing the scale of their shipping operations gets them a fat discount on moving such heavy goods.
@@BRStv so even just the Na+ ion increases salility? I use CaOH for ph/alk/calcium As well as NaHCO3 (bi-carb). From what I got from this video since I'm not using CaCl for calcium then it won't form NaCl. I would think that in my tank I get excess water from the CaOH's OH- with H+ ions in the water from NaHCO3 but then I'd just have spare Na+ ions. Would HI98319 checker include Na+ salt in it's reading or would it end up undetected and potentially cause harm to the tank?
Thanks for the info. I've been interested in a 2-part suppliment (e.g., Part C) since I watched a MACNA video a year ago. Ryan mentioned a link on to how to use Part C with 2-part BRS. I didn't see it in the comments. Any pointers or the link? Thanks again.
We've typically mixed 7.5 of the included scoops of Part C with 1 gallon of RODI water. From there, dose at a 1:1 ratio with your BRS alkalinity solution.
Buy salt? People should be rioting over the fact their tank dies when they put local NSW in it, if anyone’s lives matter I’d say this should be the foundation of concern. If you’re local ocean water is that bad your tank dies, then your local and federal government has questions to answer to. I’m not saying our hobby is the keystone of human existence, but the health of our oceans surely is. For those landlocked reefers I get it. But seriously from what I read on the Internet coastal water around the world is mostly not fit for a reef tank and that’s concerning!!!!
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I use Red Sea calcium and alkalinity . Is that considered 2 part? Because I’ve never had a problem with hypersalinity
Awesome information BRS, Thanks Again. BRS could not have a better spokesman than Ryan.
It is interesting how information like this , that should be a very basic and "must know" in every reefer is actually overlooked. This subject is one of the milestone of the reeftanks and is very little mentioned. Thanks for sharing and educating.
Glad you enjoyed it!
My chemistry teacher is a Reefer....his name is RYAN!!!...hahaha...great video BRStv crew!!!!
Love my fish, it's better than a therapist they are always put a smile on my face.
What is your opinion on the esv b-ionic 2 part? Since it brings other elements aswell? And what if i cant do water changes due to dinos?
Ryan will be covering that topic soon 🙂
I am assuming to run the BRS/Tropic Marin type C hybrid method, you just follow the instructions on the type C, or is there special mixing instructions?
We've typically mixed 7.5 of the included scoops of Part C with 1 gallon of RODI water. From there, dose at a 1:1 ratio with your BRS alkalinity solution.
So if I were to start dosing the part c with my two part solutions do I then need to stop dosing the Red Sea trace elements as to not overdose trace/minor elements?
The part C only accounts for the imbalance of trace elements caused by the salinity increase from two part dosing. It does not add any extra trace elements, so you can continue to use the Red Sea program.
Calcium Formate plus trace supplements could avoid this too, right? I love the bulk DIY All for Reef kit. Granted I have an LPS Dominant mixed tank, so consumption is lower than full sps.
Correct, this discussion is more about those reefers that are using two part calcium chloride and sodium (bi)carbonate. AKA two part 🙂
Seem that 10% weekly water change is best simple approach to this issue
Regular water changes definitely help!
So what’s exactly is in Tropic Marin’s part C? So just adding part C without A or B would result in what?
It's basically everything that is in your salt mix minus the sodium chloride, alkalinity, and calcium (trace elements)
Bulk Reef Supply I see, so it’s basically just trace elements, correct? So just adding part C periodically would increase trace elements without affecting other parameters?
Might look into the hybrid method, as far as salt goes looks like the tropic Marin is almost twice the price of instant ocean , which I have used for years... just wish all these prices haven’t escalated so much over the past few years...
We 100% understand that reefers are on a budget. Some larger than others, but nobody has unlimited money to spend on their tanks. If you feel that you're getting the results you're looking for with a less expensive salt mix, that's great 🙂 This "master" series is more about best practices.
So start with pharmaceutical grade salt in the beginning to avoid bigger chemical imbalance in the future... Got it!
$100.00 bucket of salt here we go!!!! For my tank! I can tell it’ll be worth every penny!
We know it sounds expensive, but if you break it down into cost per gallon, it could mean spending just a few extra dollars per month for a higher quality mix. Of course, if you have a very large tank, it could be cost prohibitive to some reefers' budgets. That said, this "master" series is all about best practices, not necessarily the cheapest options.
I have a 39 gal salt tank for now fish only , and I changed to from E.S.V b ionic salt to corral reef pro .... my water turned soup pee green in a week... did a 95% water change and again turned water green ... I gave up on the Marin Coral pro salt .. this never happen to me before using b ionic .... I changed back to b ionic ... I did noticed green stands of Algae-like the bucket.. I think they may have package the wrong salt in the my salt container .... :(
Interesting, we've sold thousands of these buckets and have never heard of anything quite like this. If you've purchased this through us, shoot over an email with a photo of the strands of algae in the bucket to our support team at support@bulkreefsupply.com and we'd be happy to help!
What about the two parts that claim to add major and minor trace elements like ESV B-Ionic? Would they still have the same issues?
That’s referring to replenishment from coral uptake. Different than the chemistry imbalance we discussed today.. I will cover that soon :)
ESV B-Ionic does avoid this issue by leaving behind a residual of ions which match an artificial seawater mix, rather than sodium chloride alone. As long as salinity is maintained, it will not deplete the concentration of other ions. It was developed to solve this problem in the early 90’s when hobbyists were using calcium chloride and sodium carbonate/bicarbonate buffers alone to maintain levels usually when kalkwasser fell short.
I wish I could justify getting a more expensive salt. I buy almost all my dry goods from BRS, but Amazon's price on Reef Crystals just can't be beat. I'm guessing the scale of their shipping operations gets them a fat discount on moving such heavy goods.
...maybe invest in a few $900 designer frags THEN you'll be buyin'
the good salt...hahaha
@@drew-shourd Not that I could even if I wanted to, but I don't take part in encouraging that kind of price gouging with my hard earned money.
Man, this video is gonna trigger the chemists out there....Justin B is gonna have a field day.
what are some effects of excess sodium?
Higher sodium will result in higher salinity. If salinity gets too high, it can eventually lead to coral or fish mortality.
@@BRStv so even just the Na+ ion increases salility?
I use CaOH for ph/alk/calcium As well as NaHCO3 (bi-carb).
From what I got from this video since I'm not using CaCl for calcium then it won't form NaCl. I would think that in my tank I get excess water from the CaOH's OH- with H+ ions in the water from NaHCO3 but then I'd just have spare Na+ ions.
Would HI98319 checker include Na+ salt in it's reading or would it end up undetected and potentially cause harm to the tank?
Thanks for the info. I've been interested in a 2-part suppliment (e.g., Part C) since I watched a MACNA video a year ago.
Ryan mentioned a link on to how to use Part C with 2-part BRS. I didn't see it in the comments. Any pointers or the link? Thanks again.
We've typically mixed 7.5 of the included scoops of Part C with 1 gallon of RODI water. From there, dose at a 1:1 ratio with your BRS alkalinity solution.
@@BRStv Thank you!
Can I also use Part C for my initial magnesium adjustment(s)? I've yet to start my 2/3 part, but will very soon.
You should do a investigates on ai prime fuge light!
It's not quite an investigates video, but check out this one :)
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Thanks😁
Was...was that a bleeding apple acan??
you could alternatively get a calcium reactor and avoid the sodium cloride build up from dosing that way lol
Very true. Kalkwasser would be another option depending on your tank's consumption levels.
@@BRStv Wouldn't you need a CO2 scrubber in conjunction? To keep the PH up?
16:57 - 'Preformed'. Oops!
Thanks for catching our typo 😉
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Buy salt? People should be rioting over the fact their tank dies when they put local NSW in it, if anyone’s lives matter I’d say this should be the foundation of concern. If you’re local ocean water is that bad your tank dies, then your local and federal government has questions to answer to. I’m not saying our hobby is the keystone of human existence, but the health of our oceans surely is. For those landlocked reefers I get it. But seriously from what I read on the Internet coastal water around the world is mostly not fit for a reef tank and that’s concerning!!!!
Who else was confused on this entire video?😂😂