Making "Poor Jonesy" - Scoring Star Trek Companion Video
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2023
- A deep dive into Jerry Fielding's classic music cue from TOS Ep 42 "The Trouble With Tribbles". We look at the original soundtrack recording of both orchestra and the over-dubbed trombone quartet that performed the tribble "leitmotif" - and the studio techniques to get it done.
You have a great channel.. more trek fans and music fans need to watch
Many thanks for watching!
I always enjoy your work. Great stuff.
Really appreciate that!
Great work. Really enjoyable. Cheers. 🙂
That means a lot, sir. Thanks.
I have wondered how they made the musical take on the tribbles for 50 years. Thank you for demonstrating the technique so well. I treasure the insights you have provided for the music I have enjoyed for so long and thank you for highlighting the talented composers.
Appreciate your comments! And I'm loving the journey too.
Thanks for your research and efforts in delivering such enjoyable and enlightening videos. Looking forward to your examination of Fielding’s sublime score to “Spectre of the Gun” down the road!
Indeed! That crazy saloon tack-piano piece has always baffled me (a keyboardist!) And it's time I finally took it on.
@@davidpage9355 That’s right! It’s remarkably atonal, somewhat dissonant and ends on a charmingly climactic finish reminiscent of those silent era cliffhanger films. In a sense, since the “Clantons” just enter the saloon at this point, the music morphs from diegetic to non-diegetic, i.e. from source music to dramatic underscore within the same melody (!)
@@michaelschramm1064 So cool! And that melody is a riff of, I believe, "Buffalo Gals" at least rhythmically.
Ever improving videos ~ very enjoyable. After listening to the previous video I wasn't convinced that those were really trombones being sped up -- just sounded like one of those electric instruments where you adjust the sound by moving your hand through the electrical field. But it was clear here, so, hat's off to you, professor :)
🙂 LoL - "Professor". I can see how it could have been taken as a theremin, sure. I'm just glad to have found a way to make it seem clear! Thanks again for watching, and the great comments.
I was thinking recently about Jerry Fielding's musical contribution to Star Trek in relation to that of Sol Kaplan. Both scored just two episodes, one each in two different seasons. And yet, while Kaplan is the only 1-2 episode composer who did received credit for his music being tracked into other episodes, Fielding is the only 2+ episode composer who didn't. Of course, Fielding's two scores were for rather atypical situations. One partial score consisting of comical cues that would only get limited scope for reuse, and one complete score for what was essentially a Western.
I'm looking forward to your piece on Spectre Of The Gun for reasons I've mentioned before, I might finally get some insight into Fielding's musical fingerprints on the show. At the same time, Fred Steiner's music from By Any Other Name is also one that I'm particularly curious about because I was amazed when I first noticed that the music said "Music Composed And Conducted By" rather than just "Additional Music By" as I didn't originally process that it had any original music. When I watched the episode subsequently, I thought I detected some slow menacing string sounds that have a similar vibe to Charlie X. That score is very much in my mind as only yesterday the first two volumes of the 1701 Collection popped through my letterbox and I have only listened to the first one so far. (I'm guessing that your audience account for a healthy percentage of the people getting these volumes!)
Actually I have a strong suspicion that owning a copy of this show's soundtrack will help me to identify how the season 1 music credits should have read! You might remember my gripe about how episodes of season 1 that don't have original scores only give credit to Alexander Courage when there's some that should have credited Steiner or Kaplan - or both! Those two shared the credit three times in season 2 so there may well be some season 1 episodes where the credit should be shared. This detail also meant that in those season 1 episodes my ears were listening carefully for music that wasn't by Courage but not for music that was, which meant that I got less familiar with Courage's music, with the notable exception of The Cage, in particular the Rigel VII version of Vina's theme, you know the one I mean, the intense version that got tracked into episodes from all three seasons. Listening to the music from The Man Trap and The Naked Time yesterday was somewhat helpful.
Hmm, I guess I digressed a lot there. Then again I don't think I had anything to say on this piece that I hadn't said on your main Trouble With Tribbles video the other week.
- Liam.
Man, you have a LOT to say! Cool that someone takes such detail into account. I may have to make you a "script advisor' or something like that!
On Fielding's "fingerprints" for "Tribbles" and "Spectre" at this point I've found one clear similarity between the two, but because "The Scherzo Maker" didn't make it into the final cut of "Tribbles" we never heard it. But there is a clear similarity in how he ends that cue - sort of a descending crash into a dissonant tone cluster (as the tribble squeals in the Klingon's face) - and something in "Spectre" that I haven't yet identified. Seems a number of those cues end with the same kind of descending "crash".
Soon as I can get to it ..
@@davidpage9355haha - I think I said elsewhere that this music was an area that I've had all these thoughts on for over 25yrs with nowhere to express them - even among my fellow Star Trek fans, the incidental music is a pretty specialised area, so now I have somewhere to talk about it, it's all kind of flooding out!
I listened to volume 2 after typing the above, and it was a bit much the day after going through volume 1, but I always like to process new CDs asap just to make sure they play through OK. And when there's that much stuff to go through, I usually get a bit fed up by the end! Oh well, it's done now, I'll get the subsequent releases one at a time from now on!
First, I'd like to congratulate you if your subscriber count went up after doing your first "The Trouble with Tribbles" video. (Today it's 911.) Considering that's the most popular episode among the general public, I'd think your video would come up in searches more often and you should get some more views than you did previously.
Usually I watch/listen to UA-cam videos on 1.5 speed, as I can usually process speech at that rate. But of course for videos regarding music it only makes sense to listen at normal speed. I thought I'd mention that since this video is about slowing down and speeding up instruments.
Ah, interesting. And yes, I think the "Tribbles" video did really well! Thanks for the congrats.
David I just found your channel and I your discussions on scoring are interesting, I look forward to watching them. I have some requests please, can you please upload the cues for "kirk pleads/new nancy" and "cochrane's decision" from Metamorphosis? Duning might be my favorite composer from the whole series.
He's terrific. I'm not sure how - I guess I could mate the original scene with the soundtrack and post that as a video? Let me see what can be done. Just perfection, both of them.
@@davidpage9355 do you know where I can find them online? They used to have the soundtrack and cues on Spotify but now they’re gone.
@@njb1126The only thing to suggest is check the La-La Land website. They've recently begun releasing their "1701" series that has much of the material from the out-of-print collection set. Here - lalalandrecords.com/releases/star-trek/
Down at the bottom of that page. I don't know if any score manuscripts are available anywhere.
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Someone has uploaded all the music here but I don’t know if UA-cam will take it off. I think they put it up a few years ago but it was taken down.
Fielding used his sped-up trombone technique in a variety of different contexts...including the very disturbing rape sequence in Peckinpah's Straw Dogs.
I know I saw Straw Dogs at a drive-in theater in Phoenix as a high schooler but have very little recollection. There ... uh ... might have been some underage beer involved.
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