THE SHOOTING RANGE 195: Busting myths about HORTEN 229 / War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this episode:
• Pages of History: myths and misconceptions about the Horten brothers' "flying wing";
• Tank Triathlon: Wheels versus caterpillars;
• Metal Beasts: A top Swedish fighter.
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Can you please update the carriers in higher Br's, I'm sick of trying to land my A-4 on the tiny, outdated carriers
@Andrew Woo and who the heck is that
:o
@@thomasbristow9362 please be joking, hes the biggest war thunder youtuber by a mile
True
@@Combatwombat-sn7ng not into gamers just informational stuff that might help me and others
when I played on my minimum, minimum, minimum, minimum, minimum, spec laptop my game turned purple! (it looked quite cool though)
Bruh
yes. and ustable asf at low setings. nivida sellers hahaa
my laptop straight up crashed when i tried to play ground battle. air battle was about 10 fps lmao
Minimum specs r OS: Windows 7/Vista/8/10. Processor: 2.2 GHz. Memory: 4 GB RAM. Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 4000 / AMD Radeon 46XX / NVIDIA GeForce GT 520 (DirectX 10.1 level video card and drivers, The minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p)
*Could help ya maybee*
Why does the draken still have a 25k repair cost, also it’s getting stomped on right now
Bf 109 G6 have 13 K and the BF 109 k4 have 15 k in stock.....WTF, ando this is not jets....
Ta 152 C3 32K i think
@@bigmeme8464 yep.....:/ Gaijin hate Germany
America should have these repair costs not germany #germanysuffersforever
@@rodrigoreyes7990 at least those are really good performing planes
*New aircraft carriers.*
*Custom fuel load.*
*Convenient weapons loadout UI.*
*Lower module RP for all vehicles, Don't wanna grind 30k per module in stock form vs others who have em already. Its like Hacksaw Ridge all over again! going into battle and being forced not to use a weapon! except we want weapons! (APFSDS, Parts & FPE, Laser Rangefinder, Missiles, Bombs, Rockets).*
For ground vehicles, at least Stock Parts, FPE, and Enhanced Sight (NV & Thermal) will do fine because these mods are the one that are actually crucial in battle
Hey gaijin. You know how you have been talking about the Multi-function menu since it was released, and how good it was? Yeah. When are you gonna, oh I don’t know, add it to console? Like you should’ve in the first place?
Chill out, it's not even on the pc version yet
mr. kaiser yeah it is.
The usual case is sony and microsoft hold everything hostage for quite a while and thats where delays mostly are... dono in this case tho
Insiainutorr T It’s more like “We put all the effort into making the game better for PC. Console comes later.” So basically, it’s like the space race event. Gaijin has said “Use the market. It’s the best way to get the OBJ. 279” But console can’t access the market or anything like user missions, skins, anything like that.
Hey War Thunder, When will you fix hull aiming? can't it be just like stabilizers? it would be more effective that way.
Hey gaijin have you thought of adding the pressure suit designed by Drager as a modification for the ho229?
They would probably add a G-suit for the Ho229 when they revert the accuracy and rollrate nerf, which means never. Allied tankers and pilots would whine again
9:12 LMFAO Gaijin just unintentionally showed the radpanzer mantlet glitch
Im not seeing anything
The f-4e and ej had radar guided guns in real life. Will y’all ever implement this into the game?
No they won’t, too busted
Actually, the stealth benefit of the Horten would have been negligible: not only does wood still leave a radar signature (it’s not as reflective as metal, but it still bounces), but the lower frequency radars of WWII would be pretty well suited to noticing the presence of seemingly stealthy aircraft, at the cost of lower precision as to where EXACTLY it is. Got ground based early warning radar though, that doesn’t matter as much
2:20 super sonic jet bully an Italian 9.3 BR jet: practically the description of wrong War Thunder Mach making in a shot
WHEN are the S-Tanks finally fully operational again? They are still Buggy and while using Hull-Aiming they wobble, drive back or Forward down a slope or aim totally chuncky and inacurate :(
When they don't fight Tiger IIs
Again? They never worked in the first place.
Again? They never worked in the first place.
i can still remember the good old days of the Thundershow when a swordfish took out a Horten. Those were the days...
Could allow us to lay anchor in ships?
That'd be sick in naval battles. You're charging at steam, you notice an incoming salvo. You drop port or starboard anchor, and your ship pulls hard in that direction
Jadon Banks nope u wont , the foce from the anchor will break your ship
Jadon Banks
Okay, lay of the battleship movie
@@randomuser5443 just because that is where I got this from doesn't mean you HAVE to call me out on it. It's a well known example that can be easily found
_Pirates Of The Caribbean_
I’d really like to see Northrop’s flying wings in game. Will we ever see them?
The Wehraboos would revolt if people realized that the B2 owes very little, if anything, to their beloved tuqueless Tim Horten.
it would be cool, but they were very unstable, so, I don't know if they would be suitable
Rb.24J for Draken when?
And please, also lower its repair cost, it's literally one of the worst 10.3 jets right now
Also the Ho-229 was still more advanced than the YB-35, yes the latter was larger but Grumman failed to figure out how to stop the side slipping and uncontrollable yaw situation with the flying wing design, something the Horten Brothers figured out. Bigger doesn't always mean more complex
More advanced how?
When are the Swedish ground forces coming out?
bruh
I've been playing this game for about 2 years now, and just recently my friends downloaded the game, really, its just an amazing game
YAY!! My favourite vehicle! The Horton 229 V3.
Hi Bruce! How 'bout a handy dandy little mechanic where you don't have to waste a shot to switch the type of shell you're firing by simply hitting the shell button in question a second time?? To keep it balanced, it could take twice the time to load.
Not every tank could do that
Are you considering adding higher tier bombers like the XB-35, TU-85, peacemaker, and the Vulcan?
also Tu-95, Tu-160, B-1, Tu-22/Tu-22M, B-58 or even B-52
GalacticThreat21
No one would play them. You’d get killed by a missile a few mins after spwaning without being able to do anything. And even if you would survive (maybe flares and stuff like that) you would get shredded by mgs.
@Andrew Woo Looks at Me163
Hey Gaijin. Can we have system where you can change your loadout when land back at the airfield. If you want to keep the same, just rearmed. Also with the Land and Naval, you go to the cap point and chose different loadout and weapons anytime.
Also for the Naval tech tree seems _bangang_ . If it was going to Grind down like other then do it in Classes. No need to the-more-down-the-higher-Br thing for the Naval units. Make it unique. Even sideways Grinds are acceptable.
Another FACT : this plane is still studied in USA because it isn't supposed to fly according to aerodynamic computer simulations !
One is currently rebuild to better understand some choice and solutions found by the Horten brothers !
Being fair
It never flew on its own, in real life it's a glorified glider
look how they massacred my boy.
Ho 229 i Will always love you
Why did they massacre it?
Kommandant Blauluchs because they’re fine with nerfing stuff it it’s not a premium
@@devonlord99 *laughs in SAV 20.12. 48*
You mentioned before about not stopping adding more supersonic aircraft in the future. Does this mean we'll see more advanced and newer weapons and aircraft such as the F-14 Tomcat or the AV8 Harrier as well as smart tech bombs like GPBs ?
stealth is basicly reducing detection range, so if design has reduced rader signature we can say it's stealth, though we know how first steps in any technology look like and how barely working they are
Theres something that was missed when it came to the pages of history, though the original design was archaic the wing created for the ho 229 was advanced. Walter and Reimar Horten realized that a flying wing with drag yaw control surfaces wouldn't be stable. So they tested and perfected the Bell Wing Design (The pointed curve off at the back of the wing) And they placed a thick central wing front whilst very thin wing tips. This design caused the Horten 229 to be more stable the faster it flew. Similarly when the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber was designed the designers caught on to the positives of such a design and added it including the addition of cover engines (from a similar resolution to research as the brothers for aerodynamic purposes). In the End though like you mentioned the Horten brothers didnt make a bomber like the northrop flying wing bombers, They would have done. The Brothers designed plans wise the Amerika Bomber. the Horten 18A. Which was a massive flying wing bomber, 6 inladen engines with glider gear (like the Me 163). However because the other partners in the Amerika Bomber Project demanded the plane have a tail, Reimar dissatisfied with the design proposed by the other companies, designed the Ho 18mk B which had fixed large landing gear with engines outside the body and a tail rudder, most likely in an attempt to still try and beat the other companies. Other than that this Episode did very well to explain the Ho 229.
Extra Info: Little Known fact about the Hortens, During the war they did experiment and Design possible Mach 1+ Aircraft. "Among other advanced Horten designs of the 1940s was the supersonic delta-wing H.X, designed as a hybrid turbojet/rocket fighter with a top speed of Mach 1.4, but tested only in glider form (as the Horten H.XIII)"
Another fact being that after the war both brothers moved away from each other one going into other work, whilst one of the brothers continuing on with designing flying wings.
Thanks for reading so far, hope you enjoyed it!! :D
Suggestion for Pages of History. "Aces of the Air War over Vietnam" (Both Sides)
Will you add the sea harrier? It would be interesting to recreate the Malvinas/Falklands war with the sea harriers for the British and the a4's and mirage's (already in game) with Argentine insignias.
i feel like the wheels vs tracks was a missed opportunity for some girls und panzer references
Could you make a video on Soviet light ground vehicles? (Pt-76b, bmp 1,2,3, etc)
we saw on the preview for viking fury a tab for submarine controls in the menu. How do you intend to implement submarines in the game?
If you don't, i think i have an idea for the next april fools. If there wasn't before, what about an event, where you can only play with Bob Sample tanks? You can use all the machine guns on the worst tank for fighting in history.
Since the recent addition of two South African vehicles will we see more South African vehicles like the Olifant mk1 series or Ratel series.
On the subject of wheeled vehicles, will you add the Patria AMV for sweden? Many vehicles are based on its hull.
When can we expect more damage effects, models damage and more realistic fuselage damage on planes? Bdw love your videos keep it up guys. Hotline
One shot to the middle of a bomber shouldn’t kill it. Also, why the hell can the B-29 not take a single it, but the Tu-4 can survive multiple crits
@@randomuser5443 -because Russian bias-
Do you have plans for more advanced systems on fixed wing aviation. Like will you improve on the ballistic computers & will we see more guided weapon types?
The whole Horton segment was so inaccurate it hurt. The Northrop designs had so many problems that they came nowhere near the Hortons. Garbage.
Are there any plans on incorporating armor fatigue into the damage model? This was a know factor when attacking the Tiger breakthrough tank using the American M3 75mm howitzer. While incapable of penetrating undamaged armor plate, in sufficient volume these hardened targets could be fractured and breached. Is the face hardening of armor used when calculating spawling?
He could we have an updated sound of the Stuka siren?
These could be a podcast to be honest
Will you ever implement the drogue chute to the Arado 234s? They are already modeled onto the aircraft's tail esthetically, but they obviously don't work yet
Horton 229 *walks in*
B2 : hi son
Me 163: waaaaaaaa
Me 163 Is a baby lool
Will there ever be the ability to ''lase'' ground targets with light thanks/scout vehicles so air vehicles know where to bomb? (like with a GLTD)
It's called scouting... which you can already do.
im excited to see what all will come in future updates, hope everyone is staying safe and healthy
question: will infantry be added
Strv 122 vs Leo 2A5?
Would be great to see a offical video about them (-:
It's a good airplane but a lot of players don't know how to use the technology or think ahead. Some aircraft you plot your target before you reach it.can you got Super Sonic and people will try to hit the target and think they could hit it and will not succeed
can we get some new pilot profile pics from the supersonic jet age by killing planes at tier VI or missions played like the new tank ones??
A comparison between props and jets could turn out some creative content... Would be great to watch...
Could you make a video about yow to kill AI ships efficiently in Air RB? Battleships and carriers seemingly just won't sink at all anymore.
Is there any chance that we could get the late modification of the fv202? The one that fixed the lack of engine power, mounted better optics, and installed night sights?
Try to make a video: the best naval aircraft of the Second World War
Are there any gamemode mechanical differences between Arcade and Realistic Ground Battles that make certain vehicles more survivable in one mode over the other?
He doesnt sounds as excited as much.... Feels bad
An uneducated mind would think that that’s a B2 Bomber.
10:03 *COUGH* SOUTH AFRICAN! *COUGH*
It may be in the Brit tech tree but it is proudly South African thank you.
Could we ever expect the VTGS, a stealth leopard 1?
A good question here. You recently updated the rank 1 Jappanese Ka-Mi amfibious tank to be actually amfibious. But historically it had a bodymod so it could float. Are you still going to add that or are there reasons to not add the bodymod?
The bodymod was to allow it to be used in less calm waters
Do you guys plan to ever add the CF-100 Canuck?
You guys really should have waited for the Stryker MGS to be added to the game before doing a top tier armored car triathlon, would have loved to see that thing compete ;(
Have you considered adding WW1 vehicules in the game ?
9:09 Look at Radkampfwagen 90
I saw the thumbnail and I thought that plane had Lego skin lol
OMGGG I USE THAT SKIN ON HO229 ON THE THUMBNAIL!!!
Could you do a guide on ground forces line ups?
Hey Gaijin! I have a video idea: Heavy Fighter Thriatlon: consisting of the F7F, Hornet, Ki 83 and Ta 154. I hope you read this. Thank you!
Another weekend without AirRBEC...
Is there's any plan to bring the flag in the hanger back? I kinda missed them
lovin my new J35D
Prox update VCA palmaria for Germany alongside the tam plz
Largest plane landing on a Carrier dont look further than the Iron Armenian who literally landed pretty much every bomber on a carrier
How about a Pages of History Design History of German Light Cruisers?
Can we get a video on best medium tier tanks? Hotline
Are there any forms of gifting certain things to other players?
And when no, then could you add this to the game?
Good job killing the Horton's battle rating gaijoob.
Jack nofrock surpased nothing his designes didnt worked that well as he intended very hard to control so he needed to ad vertical sabilazers that worked like a regular tail and his jet conversion crashed aswell.
Just like the Ho 229s
Question: Why is that tanks with the exact same armaments have differents ballistics (I mean bullet fall) like the panther a-d?
Have you checked to see if the scope is different
I wonder if next update China will get the J-8I or J-8II Finback
Around 6:00 "look at this 4 engine bomber". Shows a sherman tank. Lmao!
Gaijin
It’s cause They don’t have the YB-35 or the XB-49, YB-35 had an armament of something like 20 .50 cals, and had 20 or so built. However the US Air Force kind of shafted Jack Northrop and he believed that they were just saying “screw you in particular”. A while later they made it up to him by showing him the early designs of the B-2 stealth bomber.
@@Tswa567 yeah poor Jack Northroop. Later his company way even forced to fuze with Grumman if I am not mistaken. Poor man had worked his a** of only to see the US government take everything apart he build up in his life.
We need SAM sites to protect our airfields at Top Tier Aircraft.
Oh god, imagine the air field campers.
C-47 That’s All Brother do you even know the range of SAM missiles? They could shoot you down kilometers away from their airfield.
We need bigger map for top tier cause they are fast
@@Loup-mx7yt Doesn't need to be accurate.
Also we can just have early IR missile launchers, you know there are vehicles/sites that just have MANPADs turned into static defenses.
Basically all we want is current missiles held by jets to be fired from the ground up at people who get too close
combined with normal flak hopefully.
Panzerfanlol exactly
0:30 Metal Beasts: J35D Draken
3:03 Pages of History: Horten 229
8:53 Tank Triathlon: Climbing up
14:23 Hotline: Answering questions
4:01 Horten 229
Thanks
Thank you
Obi wan can blow me xD
"what is the largest aircraft you can land on a carrier?"
i wonder if its going to be better than Iron Armenian, Smigol Time and other peoples
The biggest plane in the game
@@apple222sickly is the b29/tu4 biggest ?
Mr. Waffenträger
Oh sry thought you in another vid
Mr. Waffenträger
BV-238 is biggest but it’s water bomber doesn’t have wheels which means it can land on top of carrier’s bridge
@@apple222sickly is it Soviet or German plane ?
We talked about best tank's many times so What's the worst tank in the game?
conehead
Bob Semple :)
Ducks Ducks what are you talking about? The bob semple is a beast!
The italian car with the machine gun on it
Magickal except that gun has killing power. M2A2 is definitely the worst if not the conehead
9:12
Gaijin didn’t notice the glitch in radkampfwagen 90 gun mantlet rendering. lol
OH GOD WTF
it's all the time ingame
Any plans to re-introduce large maps rotation for top tier, and more smaler ones for low tiers?, i feel cramped in small maps in top tier :c
that doesn't make money comrade ))))))
@@eaglesix6585 You think just like a Gaijin worker. You should fill an application..
Cristian Bastidas I love small maps
Less time spent getting to battle and more time spent in battle having fun
@@-Sober- But for jets it's a different story. There are maps where you have to turn around by the time you hit mach 1..
And Korea in a biplane is a bit too big
That Triathalon was just as balanced as War Thunder! )))
Ah the irony
Centauro MGS - 10.3 vs OF 40 - 8.7
Sure Gaijin
@@Onyxar of 40mk2a is 9.0
@@fabio6170 but still :/
That "survivability" segment was pretty laughable. Like sure if you use this very specific anti-light vehicle round you can kill them in one shot when they're sitting still and you aim right. But if you're using APDFS like almost everyone on their first shot, you're lucky to just kill some crew.
So when is the B-26 going to make it into WT? and how about the Blackburn Bucaneer? Britain could use a good attacker at top tier.
What about the bigger brother of the swordfish, the fairy barrakuda?
Like for example the British F 35 is a multirole fighter, it can be used as a fighter and attacker.
What about b 52 :DD
The Buccaneer would be totally useless though it doesn't even have any guns, all it would be good for is as a bomb truck. Would rather see the Jaguar
If they’re going to add the buccaneer they have to add the Intruder as well
How do you use the multi function menu on a console?
Hot Line.
matt Panyko you dont. Its not an option on console, because gaijin are the smartest game developers alive
@@czartraktheprotogen very true
matt Panyko what’s the multi function menu?
@@pixelydaddyo2127 it's the menu that you can use to control radar, engine, suspension, ect.
@@mattpanyko44 cant you just set button controls for that stuff?
Gaijin, are there any planes to update carries in the coming months? At the rate we are going top tier jets will have a difficult time landing on outdated carriers
Especially with the speed and no tow
Maybe Nimitz class? Or maybe even the Admiral Kuznetsov.
they already said they are working on them
there was a Q and A on the official website that stated that "yes they are planned"
@@thechickenfarmer9741 ye I saw that the day after in my discord server, the bot didnt post it so someone had to find it
The J35D Draken is handicapped for no real reason by not having access to its Rb24J. This imported missile is already present in game on the new Phantoms as the AIM-9J, which are also a 10.3 aircraft, so it would not be unbalanced.
njits23 its the aim 9p if im not mistaken but even with that its basically the same as a aim 9J
"xaxaxa j35 can perform cobra so it is op, no aim-9j for it!!!!"
Lol Swede getting salty he can't ruin top tier like he has lower tiers with J-21 and that premium Finnish 1945 aircraft at 4.3
Why can't I repair when the tail of my plane is shot off, but I can repair when my wing is gone?
because this is gaijin
Mhm.
Probably because it is extremely unlikely for you to be able to land a plane with no tail, but not always impossible without a wing or most of a wing. Obviously I'm talking about arcade too. Neither should be possible in sim or RB.
@@ColeB117 I understand that being able to land without a tail is impossible in a plane, but I asked this question because of something that happened in a RB match a few days ago. My wing was shott off by an enemy fighter, usely this would end up with me crashing because controlling the plane would be impossible. But I was flying one of the later Yak-9's and I have had multiple experiences where I could fly back to the airfield despite having one wing. The same thing happened that match, but when I hit the ground I was unlucky enough to have my tail broken off and just because of that I couldn't repair and all that effort of landing my crippled plane was thrown away.
I think the Me 163 deserves a rocket engine sound instead of a jet engine sound.
And its air spawn back
16:28
Smigol Time laughs
And iron armenian
Why are players not allowed to J out on the airfield in mixed ground battles as a means to swap payload or ammo belts, like they are able to in air realistic battles?
That is, one could J out on the airfield in mixed ground battles, but it would cost spawn points to swap out belts and payload options.
Maybe I'm entirely wrong and you are allowed to J out in Mixed ground battles, but this seems like a quality of life oversight.
Question: Does the amount of shells have a effect on the vehicles weight? And do metal beasts on T-62.
Yes it does, for both planes and tanks, it's modelled.
For lightass planes Yes.
For HEAVY ships and _tanks_ not much.
i hope so, and hell yeah the T62 i'm almost on that tank just only need to unlock tier VI
Suggestion for Pages of History: Ilmari Juutilainen, highest scoring non german fighter ace from Finland. Or Pages of History: Reino Lehväslaiho, Finnish tank ace of the largest battle in any Nordic country.
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@@ajappinen1007 totta
no one cares about finland
@@marc7200 think they do
@@marc7200 I think the 5 million of us Finns do care about our home country.
wrong myths about the Ho-229
- shotgun-accuracy of the guns
- 1 in 4 HVAP in the ground attack belt
Flares
they say: we are never change the belts of ammunition for balance
also gaijin: *change the elt of the horten for balance*
@@tinchorb1340 It's so sad seeing how they ninja nerfed the plane...
@@tinchorb1340 and the accuracy, cause it was good CAS
but the bomb or rocketspam from a "certain" nation with countless planes available is perfectly fine
But one thing that is absolutely not a myth: the horten is a pain in the ass at 7.3 to 7.7
Not to mention the unending ninja nerfs it receives.
It has the worst guns for a fighter
Can I pet safety doggo
@@prinpupper7846 Doesn't it have Mk103s?
@@prinpupper7846 Nah, its just got a non existent rudder
5:33 of course something new was invented from a Russian named Boris XD