Varjo XR-1 Augmented Reality Headset Hands-On!
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- We go hands-on with the Varjo XR-1, a passthrough mixed-reality headset using Varjo's high-resolution VR-1 hybrid display. Chatting with Varjo's founder, we discuss the technology that allows for low latency passthrough augmented reality. Plus, we also go hands-on with Logitech's Ink Pilot Edition stylus designed for use in VR!
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This is some next gen stuff. Using eye tracking to figure out where to put the increased image quality for the passthrough is really smart. Doing that for VR will probably be common soon as well.
Its called foveated rendering and its an idea thats been contemplated even before VR
i completely agree. this tech is definately revolutionary and it makes perfect sense
Noice
I love how informed this dude is. Just a flood of information. I kinda wanna work for them...
Maybe, but it has no Adam, so i'm not that interested.
@@GrimReaperNegi What? I'm talking about Urho, the dude from Varjo. Why would you even click on a tech video you KNOW Adam won't be on and then shit on it?
@@esaedvik How do you know that grimreapernegi knew that Adam wouldn't be in the video?
This is actually amazing and love how enthusiastic the founder is about this tech. I think it's also really great how he mentioned he doesn't want to deliver a product that is okay and then deliver a sub-par experience that everyone assumes mixed reality is that.
This really feels like the future. I'm blown away by this tech. The part showing the user's actual arms, and other people popping up in the VR feed is just amazing.
8:01 i just want to point out how great a question that was. Excellent job Norm
I love this product! Thanks for covering it!
Always great information!! Thanks for the video
Keep them coming! Great vids!
you guys are great! love this channel!!
I saw this coming. It's amazing to see what I imagined years ago become a reality.
these guys are killing it. VR/AR has never been better.
Top quality videos guys, I'm always impressed.
That thing is awesome. Traditional input methods like keyboards or Hotas and even cockpit replicas can get used together with VR now. I can't wait for future products in that direction.
It's not that hard to type without looking at the keyboards, but I agree with the cockpit solution.
Nice to see a Finnish company jump into vr. A happy finn chanting from the US. Torillla Tavataan!
Hardware aside, Varjo has one of the coolest logos ever.
they deffo chose the name with regard to how cool its logo was going to look haha
That. Is. Incredible.
Awesome product!
Cant wait for Augmented Reality and Virtual Reality hardware and software reach their peak! Great Video guys once again.
Well you are not going to live that long
@@Patek007 things progress alot faster then you think .
@@Hunt3rNz Waaaayyyy faster than he thinks. Only 5 years ago, we had terrible resolution and a need for high end software and tons of external cameras. Now we already a completely wireless headset using multiple cameras with great resolution. I would say 10 - 15 years before we reach a near peak.
@cfm marko bad wording I guess. Will reach near perfection in terms of quality. With advances in GPUs and such, rendering games in insane resolutions and high frames will be easily possible. Affordability will also play a big role as a lot of VR headset have gotten really affordable.
Nz I didn’t say that vr won’t improve i said that it won’t reach the peak of what it can be in our lifetime typically their won’t be a peak it will just keep improving forever
As for the VR pen, I would grab a pottery wheel/turntable, and a telescoping tripod, and use that pressure sensitivity to progressively do 3d scans of objects.
Like it's 1995? WHY? We have photogrammetry on our phones now. But I could totally see that being a good setup to fine tune a model taken with photogrammetry.
@@hazonku photogrammetry sucks, even in perfect studio lighting/great software and cards to process the images. the depth just isnt that great, certain angles always have issues. maybe in the future it will be better.
now laser scanning would be better, in fact multiple ways would be better, but i was just thinking out loud.
This wuz great! AR inside of VR is such a cool idea.
Goes to show, passthrough is the ultimate AR & VR. All the Magic Leaps and Hololens of the future will only be as good as their optics, and their optics progress slowly. Those headsets will always be hampered by refraction, secondary reflections and so on. With passthrough the optics are not the issue, it becomes an issue of cameras, displays, and software, things that advance technologically much faster. With passthrough, you could turn off the lights, or change or augment anything or nothing. It holds the ultimate potential if the displays can get better and the cameras/HDR issues can be solved. Enter next gen micro LEDs, light field headsets and new types of cameras. The curious thing is why feed all the real-world camera data to the computer and back again? It seems some local chip on the headset should be able to handle that if the cameras improve. That would leave the augmenting and interpreting tasks to the GPUs.
It makes more sense to have a gpu do all processing since it is much easier to just upgrade a gpu to increase performance than to buy a new hmd every year or so. Also makes the headset lighter, less complex and cheaper. You would possibly even need some kind of active cooling.
The problem of pass-through (or in-vr mixed reality) is that you are suddenly limiting your significantly superior natural vision with limitations of cameras and displays that may not be fully solved in this century (dynamic range, resolution, various display-related artifacts - each tech has different). With the overlay AR you are only affecting digital stuff and reality remains good quality. In other words: both approaches have their huge pros and huge cons. If you really care about both aspects both are terrible and that won't change in the near future,
There is a lot of backlash to wearing anything that covers up a huge part of your head and face. I know a lot of people who will never wear something like this (not least of which for reasons of looks and messed up hair). So the Hololens, nearly non intrusive glasses type of AR is still superior in that respect and much more acceptable for the majority of people. But also more difficult to achieve.
You need to send the camera feed back to the gpu anyway so that it can do all of the image processing so that it knows where to overlay stuff. If the headset composited gpu feed and the camera feed, they would be out of sync because the gpu is working with older camera information.
Having said that, the gpu could use its most recent camera frame and the headset could do the composition along with some asynchronous space-warp magic. I wonder if that's what they're already doing?
@@@kazioo2 There's this common bias that says human vision is impossibly superior to technological cameras. But the camera is not a fixed thing...it evolves. Look at how 15 years ago hand-held cameras were the only way to take pictures(now its 90% phone cameras). Also, cameras do not have to be similar to the human eye in the same sense that a plane's wing doesn't have to be like a bird's wing. Take high speed cameras, video cameras, UV cameras, long exposure cameras, and so on. Maybe you have 20 different mini camera with different exposures. Maybe it'll be any combination of these or emerging camera technologies. Human vision is ultra-subtle and dynamic, but it does not evolve like our technology does.
I love how Jeremy says Tested
TEST-ED
That pen thing from logitech is actually pretty exciting... I was watching a video last night of a Disney artist following a Bob Ross painting tutorial show, and the problem she had was that it was hard to simulate real brushes with a digital pen. But with that thing, you could not only simulate ANY kind of real life brush, but you could invent whole new kinds of tools that wouldn't even be possible in the real world.
Great vid guys👌🏼 Any news on a VR-3 review ? 😎
The Oculus Quest's passthrough system, when it shows you where the guardian "cage" is in the real world, in spite of being black and white and 30ish fps and not being scale-correct, is still better AR than both the hololens and the magic leap. I wish they would let developers experiment with building "mixed-reality" applications using the cameras! After using the quest and seeing the launch of the Varjo XR-1, my opinion about the future of AR has totally changed, and I think passthrough is the way to go.
I always thought that pass-through is the future of XR. Every device will be that way eventually.
Loved the interview with *Mr. "Yes Yes, Of Course"* guy...
"Lovely meeting you Jörn -- erh Norm"
I thought he said Dorn, cause he's a great Game of Thrones fan
Lovely meeting you Mom...erh Norm
Cant wait till this becomes mainstream!
If they were able to have a larger human eye resolution display in this thing, they could save on the bandwidth by only illuminating and rendering the portion of the image where the eye tracking was pointing. In that case, through the optical combiner they have, anywhere you looked would be extremely high resolution. It would be hardware-side NON-fixed foviated rendering.
I'm sure the financial price of a pair of those screens, though, worries them more than the additional bandwidth and processing cost of rendering at retina resolution to the whole field of view.
They have the right idea. More pixels in the center and less on the periphery. This is needed badly since we all dont have SLI 2080s trying to render 8k. Best VR innovation so far IMO. We need this in the gaming space but im not sure how difficult it would be to get the games to render in the special way it needs.
This is Huge; just huge... VR is unstoppable.
I'm really excited about the possibilities of Augmented Reality, and have been since reading the book Rainbows End. I think this tech has got massive potential and in the not-to-distant future will be as widely used as smartphones are today. I've been disappointed by its progress but it seems like over the past few years it has really come along and is almost on the verge of being ready for widespread consumer adoption. It still needs to get smaller and be almost indistinguishable from normal glasses or sunglasses if it is going to be something that people wear and use all the time. I've heard rumours that Apple have been working on an AR device for sometime and they could be the company that is able to bring AR into the mainstream. I would love to hear from people knowledgeable on this subject about what they think about the possibility of this tech being shrunk down to almost the size of a normal pair of glasses. Is this even possible and if so how far away do you think we are from reaching that stage?
Justin Case I believe for the time being, AR will continue to be a few years behind VR in progress. In terms of creating a full field of view high resolution AR headset, I’d say maybe five years, but in terms of something glasses size with that level of capabilities more like fifteen or ten if we are lucky
Tested the VR-1 last month for the USAF in a flight sim using Prepar3D. Not seamless enough... And couldn't get rid of screen tearing no matter what settings I used and field of view was somewhat narrow.. Would probably be great for design work with a stationary subject but not great for a flight sim. Also, doesn't work in SteamVR. We're going with the XTAL. Wider field of view no screen tearing and works in SteamVR. Important for us as we're probably moving to X-Plane 11. Better flight model.
Working with VR-1 since it launched for simulations, there is no screen tearing for us and it is only working with Steam VR, like literally. There is no other official tracking solution for it tho I hear that Volvo integrated some other tracking system for out door usage
I'd totally buy that VR stylus if they can get something done for like $100 or so - and bring it to Oculus.
I wonder if you could use ferrofluids in a clear screen to move an opaque display around with virtual projections in AR to have true clear images of the real world, but opaque vr ontop.
What Varjo is working on is literally the one missing feature that has kept me away from getting my own headset so far. Last thing you want to do is backhand a toddler or dog, or punch your wall. I really like their work around with the camera passthrough. That's pretty brilliant when combined with their dual panel hardware. As for the Logitech pen, not really interested. Doesn't make a lot of sense in a single artist application. Could be great though in a team setting. Being able to easily share and work on something with others in VR would be cool.
I remember when Walkmans became popular and affordable: people started using them in the streets
Some people thought the first users were a bit crazy - now it's no big issue
I remember when mobile phones became popular and affordable: people started using them in the streets
Some people thought the first users were a bit crazy- now it's no big issue
I remember when wireless cellphone earpieces became popular: people started using them in the streets
Some people thought the first users were a bit crazy - now it's no big issue
I'm not sure where this is gonna go... but....
.....people MIGHT use augmented reality in the streets to chat with ppl or quick video chats yes in the future..(when we get AR glasses)
But u will NEVER see ppl use actual VR in the streets and that is freakin outrageous and ridiculous due to the levels of risk . Your train of reasoning is flawed
@@heyjeySigma erm, did you miss the bit where I said, "I'm not sure where this is going to go".....? Also, train of reasoning? Was I making an argument for something here?
Too large too heavy to wear all day. It's gotta be much smaller and lighter before we can incorporate it to our normal life.
@@LoliKami I probably agree with you on that one; if things need to get smaller, it seems like an inevitability, I mean, that seems to be the direction these kinds of technology that become available to the public take, start off heavy and chunky, get small, sometimes get bigger again, like smart phones, but then get thinner and lighter etc, mobile technology went that way, computers have gone that way, etc... Anyway, I was being a bit of a troll in the original comment just in case others didn't catch on.
@@heyjeySigma If I had AR that I could just walk around with displaying relevant information, navigation, see other users avatars, or local AR sculptures, then when I sit down at the coffee shop, or park in the parking lot and drop into full VR, I'd buy that today.
Great example video: ua-cam.com/video/_KnSzefUtHc/v-deo.html
and also how it could go horrible: ua-cam.com/video/YJg02ivYzSs/v-deo.html
I’m holding out for the “VR” contacts for every day wear.
I wouldn't. I've seen Memories of Alhambra.
You'll be waiting for so long, you won't have the eyesight for it anyways.
You'll have to wait another 25 years
First time I think that pass through AR could actually be a good idea.
It looks incredible. The high end arch vis company I work at would make great use of such high resolution and AR pass through, so long as this becomes supported on the Unreal Engine I’d eagerly await the chance to use this hardware.
Good show, but I still miss the intro!!
the demo at 8:27 is absolutely insane
One step closer to video game style augmented reality where just looking at someone gets you there name and details.
I want that space invaders shirt.
If this can work with that nueral network connecter, i could make a really sick led display with the proper programs
Thinking when varjo will get moving mirror tech working. It was planned for VR-1 but achieving delivery time for headset they changed it to fixed mirrors.
That is never going to work.
This thing costs about $6,720 (€5 995). They also charge about $1120 (€995) for a year of customer service. I think they only sell these to businesses.
Here's the text which is next to the €5 995 price:
*Customer Success License (€995) + taxes (if applicable) will be added to every VR-1 order. For business use only.*
It looks like cool tech. Hopefully this becomes an affordable consumer item in the near future.
The guy from Varjo said one of the partners they are working with is a AAA gaming company.
Maybe something big is in the works for the future of vr gaming
You are referring to Bohemia Interactive? They do make ARMA, but they also do military sims for army training, and that's what they make for this headset
@@tutvr Oh i see, That is still really cool since the military gets most of the real neat stuff first and eventually it trickles down to the public
Suomi! Torilla Tavataan!
Torille! :D
Finland 1#
TORILLE!
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this thing cost $6k there is no way i can manage that for a vr head set when everything else is a fraction of the price. but it sounds so cool. i have a vive right now.
THE DOTS... your a techie you know what they are
I'm going to what's the big deal of having two displays doesn't have Revere have two displays in it?
Hey man
Can you print the results onto paper ? that'd be cool ✔
As far as I understand it there is no inside-out tracking for the device, instead relying on external trackers like the Lighthouse or ART, is this correct ?
David Puljiz yes
Yep, they're just using the Vive 'lighthouse' tracking system
Architects could use this to build the inside of the house.
Looks at Niantic, Polyphony Digital and Square Enix
"Your move"
please make a video on varjo xr 3
I will wait til portability is not an issue
Heads up if ur readings this. This video is ALL talk!
Virtuaali Torilla tavataan :)
Why your videos aren't subtitles?
we had Augmented Reality goggles when I was a kid... View-Master!
😆
How is this Varjo dude so fucking good at being interviewed ?? His body stays so still he doesn't wobble or anything, he is better than norm at standing in front of a camera lol and norm is not bad. varjo dude is a pr pro or something
This is what I'm talking about.
How much?
It is now like Everybody and their Mother makes a VR headset now.... i still dont know which one i should buy.
can anyone tell me what the pen thing at 0:35 is? I've wanted one of these since before VR was a thing.
Logitech VR Ink Pilot Edition or something similiar.
Bohemia interactive? Arma 4 Will be vr game?
Finland!!!!!
This makes me proud to be finnish! Norm, you're the Parkinson of tech interviews.
Soon these guys will get to sword art online level of VR lol.
Is this a Swedish made product?
For the love of god, when you guys talk about something or refer to something, you should show graphics of clips to let your veiwers know what you're talking about. "Last year" a lot happened last year
7:27
"12ms. IMPERCIEVABLE latency"
I could have saved 100$ for my monitor then!
1ms latency IS A LIE!
usually 1ms is a lie though
Mixon yeah, like your brain has an 8ms delay.
@@cunty Probably more since I'm past my prime, but thanks for rounding it down, handsome.
video about nreal?
Maybe not such a good idea driving a car through an AR headset, but the passenger could be in for a hell of a ride :P
And a ride to hell, potentially
Playing 3D games in this project
So this will cost around 6000 Bucks too?
Remember when Will left so he could do more VR stuff? :(
Hello
Steam VR needs work tho... Great tech but its tethered by a very delicate cable cable.
No , it's not. Been using mine almost everyday for 3 years without any issues. The 3-in-1 is just as strong but lighter. SteamVR is still the best tracking solution available, nothing stumps it.
Urho Konttori. Nimi kuulostaa tekaistulta.
On se vissiin sen oikea nimi, no ei nimi miestä pahenna ellei mies nimeä
varjo.com/team/
ye ye ...ofcourse ofcourse...
off topic but i hope i will be able to see vr at its full potential (SAO)
here, have my idea for free. vr racing quadcopter, connect it to a transmitter on your vehicle to autonomously follow, drive in third person through headset.
Nope, that will make for seriously bad motion sickness. Traditional mounted FPPOV quadcopter racing is still the best way to fly.
Is this a finnish company thing?
Edit: ok yes
Soo i wont hit my wall when playing table tennis!
Guys if you want to see truly no compromise VR headset you should check out XTAL
XTAL compromises in SDE, 70hz (below what is acceptable for VR-presence)(limited by DP1.2, which is terrible), and requires the top-end GPU (obviously).
XTAL is full of compromises for the FOV and clarity. Is still (arguably against the Reverb) the best HMD for simming.
The price is also the reason that no one is buying it, $5,800.
@@evolicious its not better than varjo but xtal is incredible
dorm norm
Who?
Sao ordinal scale
The odometer shows 0mph!! C'mon Volvo!!
Can you please consider a Bitchute or Telegram account so I can follow you before I purge UA-cam? Please consider not having your eggs in one basket.
Thanks.
This looks cool
Checks price
Nope
Btw price is 6000 dollars
Also, you can't buy it without a business licence and win approval. You also will need a team of devs to build the environment for it. The VR-1 is purely a niche commercial device. Still cool and still effects the consumer market.
Where is the Logitech vr keyboard? Where is ANY VR keyboard?!
People found that it doesn't work. You need full hand tracking and precise alignment.
EVOLICIOUS hopefully it is not too far off...maybe the Index?
That Fiinnish accent though.
Its a very nice accent honestly.
Hands-On? where is the headset?
I been hearing all the stuff you guys talking about more then year ago. from many other reviewer.
Only new thing here was big fat cable i tho it would be wireless for the money they been asking for.
Your understanding of moving large amounts of data with minimal latency is non existent....
@@tomar5e115 Not true. 60ghz wigig is more than enough.
@@evolicious latency, latency and bandwidth is the issue here. Why you think they have to use a fiber optic cable for the transmission?
torille
Occlusion recognition looks super rough.. and i bet they cherry picked the best clips for this video. i dont think i would enjoy that system as is, seeing artifacts fuzzing around my arms the whole time.
You tried?
@@zenithquasar9623 no clue how you would get that impression from my comment.
@@username4441 because you literally wrote it off by looking at this video. Having concerns from an impression from a video is one thing, having used it is another!
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