Heidegger’s Black Notebooks: A Conference - Film Screening & Discussion
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2014
- The two-day conference Heidegger’s Black Notebooks (September 11 & 12, 2014) focused on the philosopher’s late and unambiguously pro-Nazi writings, which may very well represent a point of no return for Heidegger scholarship. Here is the panel discussion following a screening of Only a God Can Save Us-a documentary on Heidegger’s philosophy and his relationship to Nazism. Panelists included Richard Wolin of the Graduate Center; Jeffrey Van Davis, director of the film; Emmanuel Faye, University of Rouen; Karsten Harries, Yale University; and Thomas Sheehan, Stanford University.
Is there a video of the second day of this conference? They keep referring to "what will be discussed tomorrow" which seems to be the most interesting part.
They didn't really say anything about the Black Notebooks but merely repeated old hat assertions on Heidegger's relation to the NSDAP.
Well, "everybody interprets. Nobody thinks." Heidegger, Schwarze Hefte, Bd. 94.
+Duff Harris This discussion has been completely empty. There are many things that has to be said about Heidegger's new pubblications. And starting a discussion from a movie rather than from the original text is not a good choice
No philosopher since Greeks had ever questioned the Western metaphysics before Heidegger . This philosopher deserves all due respect ✊
Yes, he deserves all due respect.
But he does not deserve all respect.
What is the truncation of respect that is due to such a man?
@@christopherconey732 >but he does not deserve all respect.
Right, I think OP knew this when they wrote "deserves all due respect" instead of "deserves all respect", lmao
16:00 The claim that the topic of authenticity in Being and Time can apply to the Volk as a whole and this takes to nazism is rather absurd. The Sein-zum-Tode, for instance, which is a a fundamental component of authenticity can hardly be applied to the Volk, since death is individual. The poor philosophical quality of usual speech about Heidegger and nazism is astonishing.
+Laureano Luna What is even more astonishing is the denial of people like you, with lame pretence to superior understanding.
***** You accuse without arguing...Unfortunately, I can't say it is astonishing...
First, I think you misrepresent what they said. But what you said is simply incorrect. If you had read par. 74 of S&Z, you would know that, as one has to move away from the Gesellschaft and its inauthenticity, one can do this by reactivating a project which has been left latent in the Volksgemeinschaft. This last is a piece of jargon invented by the nazis used in 1927 in S&Z. Among other things said there, it is as Sein-zum-Tode that one reactivates this project, so that one can "run" towards death "with resoluteness" ("vorlaufende Entschlossenheit"). This is also a piece of nazi vocabulary taken from the lore of the Helden von Langemark.
I do not so much as "accuse" as I point out that typical move against critics, which consists in claiming that they don't know what they are talking about. Unfortunately, you did not show that you know much about what you are talking about.
Neither did you. I have carefully read that paragraph once and again and, though it has no doubt a political content, it does not linearly apply the topic of authenticity (which strictly speaking applies only to the Dasein) to the existence of the Volk. I do not deny Heidegger's philosophy contains ingredients that explain why he became a member of the nazi party: I wrote a thesis arguing for this (and I ended up tired and fed up). What I do claim is that the treatment of that relationship here and usually has poor philosophical quality. Instead of establishing easy but forced relationships, one should dig a little deeper .
Why does Tom Sheehan remain silent??? He's so knowledgeable of Heidegger
oldlux I only skimmed but they didn’t seem to talk about Heidegger’s actual content. He was probably waiting for them to get to it but they never did.
He was looking for the exit.
Is there any way to see this film?
Just read The Black Notebooks. You can probably borrow them via e-book from your local library, what I did. They're rubbish, philosophically speaking. But he says some anti-Semitic things.
The emperor has no clothes -- truly and completely.
Richard Wolin was understandably nervous in this discussion- he had cameras left and right, maybe made a mistake, but didn't do anything.
the worst thing these people could do from their perspective is to argue this way against heidegger.
It's pathetic, really. Here you have this philosopher who wrote the deepest metaphysical work of the 20th century, and the only thing they can do is talk about his political membership. I don't see them do this to Sartre or Marcuse, either.
Holdin McGroin ridiculous comment lmao
if they proved their point Heidegger was antijewish .. do they not realise how bad for them such a proof would be - the greatest philsopher and one of the most intelligent meant of the past few hundred years was" antisemetic" what the hell would that mean ? Heidegger was not antijewish in the fundamental sense - he in fact was christian and thus in a sense a jew !
@@josephwofford8537 yeah don't you see the problem if you prove the greatest philosopher or the 20 C and the destroyer of metaphysics (which marks him in the pantheon of philosopher forever) is anti-Semitic in your sense/ in the long run that's a terrible consequence for jews !
proving Heidegger is antisemtic in some sense is not going to stop him being taught in Europe or America for that matter. Heidegger was a christian jew himself
Well, Thomas Mann didn`t go into exile in 1933, but in 1936.
This is not a discussion of Heidegger, but a penitent confession of their unspoken sins manifested in the vitriol toward a dead Philosopher. This is truly sad and no wonder Dr. Sheehan was deliberately reticent.
I am curious .. I have not read the antisemitic quotes from Heidegger yet .. but are these people saying that all negative judgements or opinions about a culture anywhere in the world or in history out of bounds? Are all such statements concerning Jewish culture considered antisemitic ?
Most of their evidences come from his wife, and Heidegger himself did kneel to Nazism. But to say his philosophy has teemed with NS and thus needs to be canceled is as if to say anyone who is not a full heart supporter of BLM or LGBTQ cannot qualify to be a philosopher.
I feel so sorry watching these thinking people doing their mental gymnastics around the indisputable fact that the impenetrable verbiage that they spent their careers admiring is clearly compatible with the most reprehensible real-life worldview ever conceived in human civilization.
aquí hablan varios especialistas en el tema de la relación de heidegger con el nazismo, pero todos son de la línea perdonavidas...
Self loathing isn't the sole problem of western culture; it's that its imposed on others by bigots
Ha , I've only heard 2 mins of this vid ; I wanted to know about H. not other people's opinions regarding the period he experienced.
More tedious displays of conventional piety by our advanced thinkers.
I think Martin Heidegger's own appreciation of the Nazis, "the regime" was infinitely more *conventional* than their alleged conventional piety. And this comes from one who takes very seriously Heidegger's thoughts on science and technology.
Wow this is pathetic. Soul crushingly pathetic.
Karsten Harries' claim that Heidegger knew Frege, Russell "and these people inside out", on the basis of his first paper is simply bogus. I like this sort of claim in a context where the typical move against any criticism of Heidegger is the equally preposterous claim that his critics know nothing or do not understand Heidegger's philosophy.
"16:00 The claim that the topic of authenticity in Being and Time can apply to the Volk as a whole and this takes to nazism is rather absurd. The Sein-zum-Tode, for instance, which is a a fundamental component of authenticity can hardly be applied to the Volk, since death is individual. The poor philosophical quality of usual speech about Heidegger and nazism is astonishing."
Remember this post?
Don't mind him, he belonged to CEDADE in the 80's, a Spanish neo-Nazi group concerned with the publishing of materials regarding Nazism and Holocaust denial, a group that the son of Klaus Barbie (also known as "Butcher of Lyon") was active in.
Laureano Luna Cabanero, now a high school philosophy teacher in Spain, one of the most anti-Semitic countries in the EU also likes to use his spare time online to deny the Holocaust... Who knows how many of his students he has corrupted with his vile ideology.
Thanks to the power of social media, we'll find out.
He also wrote a book... www.worldcat.org/title/principios-filosoficos-fundamentales-del-nacionalsocialismo/oclc/434113339
"Principios filosóficos fundamentales del nacionalsocialismo", published in Barcelona, 1983
"In the early 80s I had several experiences of the supreme identity that allowed me to enter the realm of the divine. As a result of this sudden clarity I wrote a pamphlet in which I fundamentally describe Nazism. After realizing the gaffe, I have decided to switch to the national left and I have condemned Nazism, but I keep in touch with God. Simply delete it in my résumés of the booklet. A small trap for my papal infallibility can not be questioned."
He is intellectually bankrupt and dishonest, he's also a coward.
Thanks for the information. Why am I not surprised? :)
Loser.
Karsten's claim is correct.
@@Jebusite100 : We live in an era of fake news and claims that are made without any basis whatsoever, à la Trump. Yours illustrate this. Karsten's claim is obviously false. That there are references to Frege, Russell in a 1912 paper is a proof that he knew "these people inside out" is utter bogus, given that even some of their important works were not yet to be published, and that some of them are still the topic of exegetical debates today. He knew some of their writings, granted, but "inside out" is ludicrous. People who know the stuff will find Karsten and you arrogant and shallow, no amount of admiration of Heidegger should imply that sort of crap. For people like you, it is pleasing to think this because their genius is made out to have read and understood all and dominated in thoughts these inferior minds, known how mistaken they are without actually have shown anything concrete in the way of actual extensive knowledge of their writings and of valid criticisms. I defy you to prove to me the contrary.
To listen to this conference was a very shameful experience. Heidegger was a philosopher and whether he was a sex addict, lovers manipulative and antisemite have little to do with his philosophical work. It amazes me to see four grown-up scholars gossiping and projecting their personal shadows on Nazy/Heidegger. Yes, that was a bad personal side of Heidegger. Can we please talk about his philosophy stead? Thank you.
The central issue here it seems to me is that terms like "world Judaism " whatever that is, that are used in the notebooks,represent all those elements heidegger wished to eliminate from Germany;machination,instrumental calculation,cosmopolitan culture.The fact that this paranoid fantasy would involve the physical destruction of millions of people seems to have been beyond his political imagination but then I don't suppose he bothered to read mein kampf before signing his party membership form.
No way Heidegger’s magnum opus reflect here!
Thomas Mann did antisemitic statements in his notebooks. Wolin has no idea what he is talking about - again.
Am 60 now, but got the B.A. in 85 in philosophy. Went into grad school for a year thinking about doing a ph.d on Sartre and "Existential Marxism". Lasted a year and became a high school Spanish teacher. I don't think Nihilism is the Truth anymore, and see Vedanta Hinduism as a high guide of our search for meaning. May I suggest "Journey of Souls", a available free on UA-cam as a beginning to explore if Reincarnation is true. Search Friends.
Consider that there may be many better philosophers than Heidegger, who did not have the arrogance to assume their positions in the universities. Narcissists get to top positions because they want them more.
That's probably why Heidegger was worked out, because the Narcissists took over after the opportunity rose for them in Germany after World War two.
Modern technological epoch as a mind of being is a jewish mindset. That's what Heidegger argued and never was apologetic for it. Israeli/zionist gag order prevent objective discussion of this matter.
Yes Heidegger was a narcissist; arrogant and manipulative. However to call this a psychological interpretation doesn't sound quite right to me. It's not merely an interpretation, but an assessment.
Philosophy is useless in Arendt sense. Philosophy is dead by Heidegger. Only Sartre is worth reading.
quackademics on parade
Literally how