Yes, I succumbed and picked up a couple of the wifi 7 APs and they perform worse than the Grandstream wifi 6 APs I replaced them with. I think I'm going to swap the Grandstreams back in and hope they update the firmware. Since they have decimated the alpha forums I've noticed the rate of firmware updates has really decreased.
This is a good informational video. I used to swear by Ubiquiti and then ran into the usual issues others have encountered with the management software. I switched over to Engenius a year ago when I moved and I'm very happy with the two Wifi 6 APs I have.
Ubiquiti in recent years always use these markings words like ultra or max to make its products sounds Powerful, but after several years of using its Wi-Fi 6 and Wi-Fi 5 Access points I think their intro to middle level products like unifi nano HD and unifi 6 plus or unifi 6 Pro have better cost-performance ratio. And Wi-Fi 7 seems like to have a long road to replace Wi-Fi 6 cause Wi-Fi 6 provides a significant increase in speed and range but Wi-Fi 7 does not. MLO is good but if using 2.4 with 5g it will increase latency and dual band 5g or dual band 6g seems like a better solution
To be fair, both ASUS and Xiaomi have implemented MLO to work only with the 2.4GHz and the 5GHz radio bands. Perhaps adding the 6GHz is more challenging or maybe they stretch the release of new features as long as possible to always have something new and exciting for each router/AP generation. I genuinely don't know.
4:13 I don't think warranty gets voided. That's what companies want you to think. According to Louis Rossman, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act says the manufacturer has to prove that what you did to the product by disassembling it is the root cause of a warranty-covered issue.
I assume the user needs to take them to court to force them to prove that nothing was damaged or is it a more streamlined process? In any case, I keep on getting these stickers in the EU simply because the law gives space for interpretation.
What a lousy list of reasons. 1. MLO is still implemented. The first EA firmware is out there and Intel is also working on it (I got that BE200 non-vPro also). Let them develop it further. The mechanism is still young. 2. Yeah, that's what you get with new technologies. You'll be happy in 1½ year from now that you got it. 3&4. The U6-Mesh was warm. Be happy that they build it in. It will work, when it needs it. They put it there with a purpose. 5. Same as point 2, it's early and you'll be happy in a year or so. And there are lots of devices with WiFi 6E at the 6GHz band, so be happy that 6GHz AP's are getting cheaper, now WiFi7 AP's are introduced. You know what? Send it over to me. I guess I can appreciate the device more, and start making some positive UA-cam video's.
1. I don't think it's wise to buy stuff with the promise they will perform in a certain way in the future. Probably Ubiquiti will offer MLO and it will work great at which point everyone, including myself will be happy. And may be they will not. 2. The device is too hot. You can see it in the video, it will burn your fingers. The fan doesn't do anything. On the U7 Pro, it worked fine, but not on the U7 Pro Max. I get that you like Ubiquiti and, while I try to stay agnostic, I have been fond of them for years as well. But by god, the U7 Pro Max is not a good device. But maybe you're right and things will get better soon. I will do a video of reasons why you should buy it when that happens. I will gladly send it over, but I still need to run some tests until it gets better, if it does. Let's talk again after about a year.
@@SamBondor Yeah, I wasn't assuming someone would just send a device over like that. And I guess it's a whole different situation over a year from now.
I agree with your analysis! I have a question: regarding the U7-Pro, besides the missing features like "MLO", is it stable? Or do the clients connected to it have connection issues?
Yes, I noticed that my timing was off. In any case, I will test the U7 Pro and the U7 Pro Max with MLO as soon as I get a stable update from either Linux or Microsoft.
Let's say that if MLO works fine, since it seems that Ubiquiti is currently releasing it in an early installment, then heat management is still a big problem. I am even willing to say that the U7 Pro is better.
@@SamBondor Im right now in the process of configuring a new software defined networking setup and wanted to choose the 7 Pro as my AP, would you rather recommend the 6 Pro or 7 Pro for a small 75m² flat ? My Setup was going to be the Pro Max 16 Poe, the Cloud Gateway Max and a 7 Pro AP. (Man i hate these superlatives in product names)
@@SamBondor i dont have wifi 7 devices right now, but will have at least one soon and have multiple wifi 6e devices. Can wifi 6e devices not use the wifi 7 6ghz band? Im still stuck at wifi 5 with a tp link omada 5ghz 4x4 AP right now and am looking for an upgrade
I bought mine from the UB store as well. Mine got Very hot! It burnt my minger when I went to pull it down off the ceiling. I got a blister! I had to pull it down became it kept power cycling every 20 minutes. I assume it was overheating. I RMA and got a replacement. The replacement doesn't get much less hot but it is not constantly rebooting anymore. I got to say I am a bit disappointed. I am debating to return this one and just keep the WIFI 6 enterprise AP which I had in service before.
That's pretty much my experience as well. I can't RMA it because I opened it and everything, so Ubiquiti will have to accept any criticism that comes from my side :D
If you are willing to wait a bit more, the U7 Pro will get MLO (it's already available in some regions) and it's not a bad AP, far better than the U7 Pro Max in terms of heat management. Otherwise, the Omada APs from TP-Link are fairly solid as well.
I haven't yet gotten access to this firmware version, but will happily retest the U7 Pro and the Pro Max to see if MLO will get enabled and if it will work properly.
In what else should it be converted? The only way out of the energy is RF-radiation and heat. To make their products less hot, they have to decrease the energy consumption. I tried to use a AP 6 Enterprise and it got way too hot for my taste so I reverted to my AVM 6000 Repeater. Which uses way less energy for more or less the same performance in the 5 GHz band.
While the 7.1.18 EA firmware supports MLO, it causes my U7-Pro-IW to reboot every 12 hours or so. And I only have one 6GHz capable client, but that lacks MLO support. So I turned MLO off again :)
I had/have a ac hd as a paper weight due to ubiquiti not servicing their products. I had a electromagnetic surge from lightning that hit nearby my house it corrupted the boot loader so it's stuck in a boot loop. the regular nanohd on my network was unphased by it. I called ubiquiti to see if they'd service it or offer a refurb like some companies will if you return the broken one and pay a set fee, but they do not offer those services. I'm very hesitant to buy another ubiquiti product because I've never had this issue with any access points before and it seems like this should have been fixable instead of throwing it away. I could see this same thing happening with the fan. Fan's die, especially when they collect dust over time. I only had my ac hd for a year and just out of warranty
I think Windows is set to support MLO on the next big update 24H2. The MAX should have had a 10G port. Ubiquiti is disappointing these day with most items.
I don't like its chain configuration. It is 2 x 4 x 2 (2.4/5/6GHz). I preferred 2 x 3 x 3 as 6GHz guarantees the latest high efficiency MIMO tech. Not like 5 GHz which old device make fancy high number of chain feature useless.
Typical Ubiquiti... half baked, half ass release.
Yes, I succumbed and picked up a couple of the wifi 7 APs and they perform worse than the Grandstream wifi 6 APs I replaced them with. I think I'm going to swap the Grandstreams back in and hope they update the firmware. Since they have decimated the alpha forums I've noticed the rate of firmware updates has really decreased.
This is a good informational video. I used to swear by Ubiquiti and then ran into the usual issues others have encountered with the management software. I switched over to Engenius a year ago when I moved and I'm very happy with the two Wifi 6 APs I have.
Ubiquiti in recent years always use these markings words like ultra or max to make its products sounds Powerful, but after several years of using its Wi-Fi 6 and Wi-Fi 5 Access points I think their intro to middle level products like unifi nano HD and unifi 6 plus or unifi 6 Pro have better cost-performance ratio. And Wi-Fi 7 seems like to have a long road to replace Wi-Fi 6 cause Wi-Fi 6 provides a significant increase in speed and range but Wi-Fi 7 does not. MLO is good but if using 2.4 with 5g it will increase latency and dual band 5g or dual band 6g seems like a better solution
Wi-Fi 7 significantly improves speeds and reliability in range with multilink operation....
@@youdontneedmyrealnameas long as my old devices support wifi 7 😂😂😂
Q3 2025? That's insane considering brands like ASUS and even Xiaomi of all things already have MLO available on their routers.
To be fair, both ASUS and Xiaomi have implemented MLO to work only with the 2.4GHz and the 5GHz radio bands. Perhaps adding the 6GHz is more challenging or maybe they stretch the release of new features as long as possible to always have something new and exciting for each router/AP generation. I genuinely don't know.
4:13 I don't think warranty gets voided. That's what companies want you to think. According to Louis Rossman, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act says the manufacturer has to prove that what you did to the product by disassembling it is the root cause of a warranty-covered issue.
I assume the user needs to take them to court to force them to prove that nothing was damaged or is it a more streamlined process? In any case, I keep on getting these stickers in the EU simply because the law gives space for interpretation.
What a lousy list of reasons. 1. MLO is still implemented. The first EA firmware is out there and Intel is also working on it (I got that BE200 non-vPro also). Let them develop it further. The mechanism is still young. 2. Yeah, that's what you get with new technologies. You'll be happy in 1½ year from now that you got it. 3&4. The U6-Mesh was warm. Be happy that they build it in. It will work, when it needs it. They put it there with a purpose. 5. Same as point 2, it's early and you'll be happy in a year or so. And there are lots of devices with WiFi 6E at the 6GHz band, so be happy that 6GHz AP's are getting cheaper, now WiFi7 AP's are introduced.
You know what? Send it over to me. I guess I can appreciate the device more, and start making some positive UA-cam video's.
1. I don't think it's wise to buy stuff with the promise they will perform in a certain way in the future. Probably Ubiquiti will offer MLO and it will work great at which point everyone, including myself will be happy. And may be they will not.
2. The device is too hot. You can see it in the video, it will burn your fingers. The fan doesn't do anything. On the U7 Pro, it worked fine, but not on the U7 Pro Max.
I get that you like Ubiquiti and, while I try to stay agnostic, I have been fond of them for years as well. But by god, the U7 Pro Max is not a good device. But maybe you're right and things will get better soon. I will do a video of reasons why you should buy it when that happens.
I will gladly send it over, but I still need to run some tests until it gets better, if it does. Let's talk again after about a year.
@@SamBondor Yeah, I wasn't assuming someone would just send a device over like that. And I guess it's a whole different situation over a year from now.
Good video, thank you, I was holding out for something without a fan, and wifi 6 works perfectly for what I need. I will wait and see.
Thanks for the video, very helpful and not many nontech people would know what you found out
I agree with your analysis! I have a question: regarding the U7-Pro, besides the missing features like "MLO", is it stable? Or do the clients connected to it have connection issues?
I found it more stable and with a far better thermal management.
@SamBondor So, in your experience, is it safe for production use cases?
MLO works fine on the 7 pro max. Early access released it weeks ago.
Yes, I noticed that my timing was off. In any case, I will test the U7 Pro and the U7 Pro Max with MLO as soon as I get a stable update from either Linux or Microsoft.
Is there a better alternative in a similar price bracket?
This is the question that needs to be answered.
Let's say that if MLO works fine, since it seems that Ubiquiti is currently releasing it in an early installment, then heat management is still a big problem. I am even willing to say that the U7 Pro is better.
@@SamBondor Im right now in the process of configuring a new software defined networking setup and wanted to choose the 7 Pro as my AP, would you rather recommend the 6 Pro or 7 Pro for a small 75m² flat ?
My Setup was going to be the Pro Max 16 Poe, the Cloud Gateway Max and a 7 Pro AP.
(Man i hate these superlatives in product names)
@@MH-kc5jr If you have some WiFi 7 client devices, then the U7 Pro should be fine, otherwise, I found the U6 Pro to still be more stable.
@@SamBondor i dont have wifi 7 devices right now, but will have at least one soon and have multiple wifi 6e devices. Can wifi 6e devices not use the wifi 7 6ghz band? Im still stuck at wifi 5 with a tp link omada 5ghz 4x4 AP right now and am looking for an upgrade
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I am hopeful u7 enterprise is a much better product.. I was waiting for this Pro Max but based on your review id chose to now wait.. Thanks Sam!
I bought mine from the UB store as well. Mine got Very hot! It burnt my minger when I went to pull it down off the ceiling. I got a blister! I had to pull it down became it kept power cycling every 20 minutes. I assume it was overheating. I RMA and got a replacement. The replacement doesn't get much less hot but it is not constantly rebooting anymore. I got to say I am a bit disappointed. I am debating to return this one and just keep the WIFI 6 enterprise AP which I had in service before.
That's pretty much my experience as well. I can't RMA it because I opened it and everything, so Ubiquiti will have to accept any criticism that comes from my side :D
what AP should I buy? I am looking for stability, nice management software and under $300 for home use.
If you are willing to wait a bit more, the U7 Pro will get MLO (it's already available in some regions) and it's not a bad AP, far better than the U7 Pro Max in terms of heat management. Otherwise, the Omada APs from TP-Link are fairly solid as well.
But Firmware 7.1.18 is being tested in early release
I haven't yet gotten access to this firmware version, but will happily retest the U7 Pro and the Pro Max to see if MLO will get enabled and if it will work properly.
By the way, MLO is now available on Unifi via early access. I opted in and was able to enable MLO on my U7 Pro.
Yes, thank you! I am working on getting a stable performance on either Windows and Linux, and will update the videos with the new test results.
love your videos great content would you ever consider to do a review and tear down on a msiRadiX AXE6600
If you send one my way, I will definitely do it :) . On a serious note, I will see if I find a cheap one on the market.
UI website says 'max power consumption 25 W' and 90+ % of that get converted into Heat ... too much IMHO
In what else should it be converted? The only way out of the energy is RF-radiation and heat. To make their products less hot, they have to decrease the energy consumption. I tried to use a AP 6 Enterprise and it got way too hot for my taste so I reverted to my AVM 6000 Repeater. Which uses way less energy for more or less the same performance in the 5 GHz band.
While the 7.1.18 EA firmware supports MLO, it causes my U7-Pro-IW to reboot every 12 hours or so. And I only
have one 6GHz capable client, but that lacks MLO support. So I turned MLO off again :)
I had/have a ac hd as a paper weight due to ubiquiti not servicing their products. I had a electromagnetic surge from lightning that hit nearby my house it corrupted the boot loader so it's stuck in a boot loop. the regular nanohd on my network was unphased by it. I called ubiquiti to see if they'd service it or offer a refurb like some companies will if you return the broken one and pay a set fee, but they do not offer those services. I'm very hesitant to buy another ubiquiti product because I've never had this issue with any access points before and it seems like this should have been fixable instead of throwing it away. I could see this same thing happening with the fan.
Fan's die, especially when they collect dust over time. I only had my ac hd for a year and just out of warranty
I think Windows is set to support MLO on the next big update 24H2. The MAX should have had a 10G port. Ubiquiti is disappointing these day with most items.
They have hinted that it may be included. I have tested the preliminary version of the 24h2 update and the feature is not yet functional.
MLO = 7.1.29 firmware.
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I don't like its chain configuration. It is 2 x 4 x 2 (2.4/5/6GHz).
I preferred 2 x 3 x 3 as 6GHz guarantees the latest high efficiency MIMO tech.
Not like 5 GHz which old device make fancy high number of chain feature useless.