Should You Dump Your Fastback For This?
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00:00 Intro
00:51 Blade Placement
04:15 Big Issue #1m
07:18 Other Features
09:03 How Do Other Options Stand Up? - Наука та технологія
The fastback, utility blade with the screwdriver combo attachment is my most used EDC item ever.
Yup, this is an amazing tool. Only reason its not my edc is I like the look of a more trad looking knife but id be lying if it wasnt the most functional thing ive used. The screwdriver is so good... it really feels like a full size tool in the hand.
It’s an absolute beast. Will be interesting to see if they ever come after Leatherman with a plier based tool
The +1 blade storage on it is perfect and doesn't add bulk
@@aarondougherty236 You just blew my mind buddy! I didn't even know that but I see it now. Wow! I should have looked at the back of the box when I bought it huh?
Same. Just wish I could get a Robertson bit for it.
The fastback is a beast. They could slim it down a bit, but ive used and abused it for several years at work with zero problems. No tool required to change the blade.
Best knife I have for work .
I use the one with the bit driver several times a day… love it.
@@adamsifford6228 🤘
@@chillywilly7454 do you use the driver often?
I sand mine down to a slimmer profile quite easily
Nothing will dethrone the Fastback with the 1/4" drive with the flat-head bit and philips bit on the other side.
Yessir!
If you need a tool to change the blade. The tool must fit into the knife somehow
ok, then it also needs to store spare blades, which are also accessible without a tool or a tool on the knife...such a dumb argument.
Either, A - this is a pocket utility knife for EDC, in which case a stash of blades and tool in the backpack/car/desk is perfectly acceptable because you aren't doing heavy cutting all day.
Or B - This is a toolbox knife for heavy cutting and regular replacement, in which case, IT'S IN ATOOLBOX FFS! keep ur tool and blades handy there. What? You don't have a t7 in your toolbox?
There are legit arguments against this knife as toolbox utility knife. And a coinslot or thumb screw like other models would be better. But the existence of a screw is not one of them. And it being a T7 isn't either. But biggest "Duh" of all, this is clearly designed as an EDC.
@@privatezim3637 Well the fastback does have blade storage built in....Civivi doesn't obviously.
milwaukee has one that stores extra blades in the handle chief, so yeah seems like a weak argument
" Its not the length of your blade, its how you use it" :) I actually prefer a boxcutter that exposes only 1/2 the blade, seems as if I get 2X the use from it
Utility knives are the most dangerous knives we use. Because we don't care if we break the blade because they're disposable, so we put undo force on them.
Literally used mine to bust a metal band today lol
Put one in my thigh while at work. First day of turkey season too. Healed up fine, just looks like a vag.. wife was pissed I didn’t get stitches but I don’t wanna pay that bill.
needs a fast blade change like the fast back. thats the only reason why im not getting the civivi
Yeahhh I’m glad there are good reviewers like you that test this gear..I definitely won’t get one..Milwaukee is still #1 imo
I'll stick with the gerber prybrid. Tool less, compact, bottle opener, pry tool, flat heads (kind of), and now they have models with pocket clips (took them long enough).
I’ve been carrying the Husky version (Home Depot) probably 15 years ago, way before Milwaukee started making this style knife. I remember them working pretty well.
Thanks for doing a proper review and revealing the major flaws. So tired of all the channels that only do first impressions videos.
Put a rubber O-ring under the screw.
Just got my civivi elementum "box cutter" in green. I AM IMPRESSED! So comfortable, locks up tight, deploys fast and snappy, can use nearly the whole blade, awesome pocket clip. Best "box cutter" ever made, SERIOUSLY!
I usually carry the Milwaukee fastback with the driver, but when I want something smaller and less bulky I go with the Coast DX126! It’s a great little utility knife and for less than $12 you can’t beat it!!!
Milwaukee my go to work knife
I love my workpro/mossyoak. Small and thin, and no tools needed to change blades. I dremel some jimping and it’s absolutely perfect
Ordered one as soon as I saw it. Love the look and feel for an edc.
Yeah you need a screwdriver to change the blade but I find I rarely change the blade anyways. The ease of one handed use, with the full length of the blade available in a clean lightweigh package is unbeatable.
The blade catch on mine is T8. I’ve been using mine for a week now and had no issues with the blade falling out.
Dude honestly the fast back with the bit driver is literally the most useful thing I own. Its hard to beat. It’s almost the perfect tool
Thanks so much! I was considering buying one of these but now I think I'll just wait a bit.. Love my fastback!!
the T7 thing kills it plus 42 bucks for a box cutter they are dreaming.
I have the OKNIFE Oracle U1 and I love it. The blade has never come out when I didn’t want it to. Even when carving wood. Thanks 🎸🔪
This is why I love about your channel true honesty even though it hurts
I'll stick with the Gerber Prybrid, it's more useful and toolless blade changes.
As someone who actually carries primarily utility folders its not actually a "huge headache and a major problem" to need a T7 bit, because you arent actually changing the blades all the time. With light use edc, youre changing that blade maybe once a month.
Thanks for the review/warning, Aaron. You put me onto the WorkPros a while back, and I've never looked back. I always have either one of those or a DuraTech (same thing, essentially, but black) on me. Small, thin, light, solid construction, surprisingly fidgety, surprisingly ergonomic, can get a full grip on them so you can apply good pressure, and when I got mine, about $6 a pop. Also, the blade stays secure until changed, and the change is absurdly easy. I love the Civivi knives I own, but they need to go back to the drawing board with this.
My solution to the EAB was replace the retaining screw with a thumb screw and now you have tool-less changing and a thumb stud for deployment
Brilliant!!
Locking screw driver and the release for the blade is a button not a screw.... fastback hands down. Thanks to Zac In The Wild!
The utility knife has 4 major problems:
1. It cannot do narrow cuts. Civivi tried to extend the length of the usable portion of the utility blade by reducing the mechanism above. If you look at a Fastback you only use the half of the blade length but above the blade there is nothing that increases the width of the cut. This utility knife does. It defeats the purpose.
2. The utility blade itself is very slim, that's why you cannot secure it from the far, it bends and becomes unstable. Even Workpro utility knife understood it.
3. Blade retention mechanism instability
4. Pricing, they are crazy
Just buy a Workpro, 2 x USD 19, deep pocket carry, excellent blade retention and usability.
ya know knowing that i need a tool to change the blade really hurts that... especially when the toughbuilt electrician one exist
I like the Roxon 501U with the scissors and replaceable blades including box cutter. $28 for the knife, $10 extra for the box cutter attachment.
I used the Workpro back when I was a wine vendor (cut average 500-800 boxes a day) and honestly, that lil thing was a beast. Worked flawlessly and being able to open it one handed and still being slim, made for a convenient tool to have on person while still in professional attire. I still carry it sometimes over my other knifes because of the replaceable blade feature.
I agree completely. Civivi has entered the utility knife business late and they failed to include a quick change mechanism when everyone else has their own version of a quick change mechanism.
I EDC a FastBack and Victorinox CyberTool, so I have a T7 on my person already. Ordering one to see if it feels more solid than a tool-less design.
I feel like this isn't to replace a fastback or classic Stanley box cutter. It's a light duty edc for someone who likes the fidgety nature of some edc knives and doesn't want to sharpen at the end of the day or week or however often needed. So while they're at their desk watching your videos they swap the blade and put it back in the pocket. For the person that cuts some tape or opens a box every other day or so. Or someone like me that just happens to collect utility blade holders because they're neat for some reason. I don't usually carry one because I have better options to use but I just like them. Though one of these would pair well with a Leatherman, if you got the bit kit, toss a torx in if you don't have it and you got a small replaceable blade and whatever tools your mutlitool has.
Been wondering this same question !
Welp...I was looking at it. Thank you very very much!
Besides the Civivi being slightly too small, it is almost a perfect utility knife. Knocks all the others out of the park. The issue isn't the screw (T8 not T7 btw). It is the blade that came with it. You need a wider blade, so there is no gap between the blade edge and the frame that holds it. I changed to a Stanley blade that fits snug and no issues since of blade flying out.
Still no Issues?
@@arneulight Nope. Still solid as
As someone who gets a ton of use out of my utility knives imma have to disagree. The perfect utility knife is the fast back by a mile. Tool free blade change, fast deployment, comfortable grip, mine has a bit driver that i use all the time, has a flat head bit so you always have a pry bar, seatbelt cutter that u use to bust open bags of insulation or plastic wrap, bottle opener too, i use that because its common to run into glass bottle Mexican cokes on site from the roach coach. Its such a well designed and well thought out tool and it’s useful literally every day since i got it. Im a drywaller and i have a dedicated large utility knife for cutting in comfort and cutting sheetrock is rough on these things but the fast back never had the blade pop out or anything even with that rough of a task. Its worth the few millimeters of pocket space you lose to have something so useful
@jimboneutron8399 I definitely understand where you are coming from and why you would like the fastback over this, but for me personally, I prefer something like civivi. I always carry a BID inline screwdriver with all the bits I need, plus a small pry in other pockets, so I have no issues looking for a bit to change blades or something to pry. I use the Civivi to cut plasterboard, old silicon, and boxes with no issue of the blade coming out, so it is already much better than all the others I have with a quick release. Plus, I have no need for a seatbelt cutter or bottle opener, so for me, I find the Civivi pretty perfect.
I have been using the Coast DX126 for years, easy to change the blade and great grip for its size and even has an extra lock to lock the knife out when you want to be sure it won't fold accidentally.
I’m glad I saw this because I was thinking of getting one and now seeing is how the blade will just fall off I think I’ll wait for version two which will probably address this issue. Probably have to wait a year but that’s OK.
Or you could get the exceed designs flipper utility knife and have something that doesn't suck. Titanium frame lock and tool less blade changes. Best utility knife out there for edc. Fastback is huge.
This. I also have one and it is the best BY FAR
To me, a utility knife is supposed to be cheap. The blades are disposable, and I feel the handle should be priced to reflect that.
I've had 5 Exceeds designs, one of each version, and I absolutely love them, but I would say the Civivi works better. Personally love Civivi's design, with a button lock and more than one deployment, plus an awesome design with finally a locked blade and not a quick release that causes the blade to come out.
@aydan7901 every civivi button lock I've had I never trusted. Had it pop loose before. Shouldn't matter on the razor knife but still and I'm not sure what your doing to have the razor blade come out under use. I find the quick change to be rather less then quick. More like tool less. Which is a good thing. I'm surprised you want a tool to change blades but you have that option. I certainly don't want to find a tool everytime I want to change blades which is rather often.
@orangerider2827 I've owned many Civivi full sized knives and had no problems with their button locks. They have almost perfected the button lock. I sometimes need a utility knife to cut plasterboard or old silicon around a kitchen benchtop, which tends to grab the blade and also need some pressure applied sideways and causes the blade to easily come out. Understand trying to find a tool to change the blade, but for me ,I always have a screwdriver in my pocket with all the bits I need, so it's not an issue personally.
Looks like a light use knife at best. Thanks for the review, I am glad I waited.
I use my fast back all day every day from the razor blade to the flat head and Philips. I don't care how nice the design is if it dosnt have those features for 20 bucks I'm out.
I just bought the Dewalt cutter with a button release lock and it works beautifully, but it's a bit longer. I have others, but I hate having to open them up and then replace the blade and reassemble them. This Dealt model opens easy with one hand. It is not spring-loaded, but that means nothing to fail.
Thank you for this video I almost got one of those civivi ones but wasn't sure if it was good so glad I didn't waste my money I'll be getting the Oknife one soon
I think this guy did a disservice to this tool. He's using it for things it wasn't designed for and then calling foul.
Love your videos , Thanks for sharing!
Glad you like them!
Thanks for the review
Fellow circuit city alum here. I was the home entertainment supervisor when they shut down. Haven’t heard someone mention them in a long time.
I still have an open box Velodyne 10” sub and an Onkyo receiver from Circuit City. Both still rock!
I use a utility knife every day even at home. I really like the looks of the Civivi but I think I'll wait for them to fix the issue.
I store a key for changing blades in my blade holder. Really don't need to overthink it imo.
If the bald doesn't stay in securely it's not a finished product. Shocked from civivi to be honest, I'll definitely be rethinking buying any civivi kife now. Thanks for the video Stella info.
I have the workpro for my edc setup
Love it for how thin and easy it is to use
Real easy to turn the blade around once the first half becomes dull
And super inexpensive since its just folded metal
5:54 I do understand you shouldn’t have to use Loctite. But purple adjustment screw Loctite 222 could be used and still be able to remove the screw.
Thank you for this. I don't have one of these, or intend to, but i didn't know purple loctite was a thing:)
I'm not paying money for a tool only to have to loctite it .... come on man
The screw on mine is a standard T8 (not T7).
I work retail where I am not technically supposed to use anything but the baby's first box cutter they gave me and I had one of these in order for an occasional backup to my other knives. You just saved me time and trouble because that blade issue would undoubtedly get me fired. Ended up cancelling and ordering a NuKnives Kumpanter instead. You should look at that, appears to be a front flipper/stud flipper with a liner lock. It has a similar manual screw to the Oknife but is slightly bigger for a better grip. Also G10 scales.
If Civivi updates to AT LEAST a half-blade option and better blade catch I'd definitely buy one, G10 would be nice too.
I currently use either an EZ Cutter 1000 or a Milwaukee Fastback 1501 with a Gerber EAB Lite as my backup.
I'm using Tajima Vmax II blades and I've found that the texture of the blade helps with keeping the screw tightened. I prefer these blades anyway because the coating helps it to not rust as easy.
Hoping they wil make a thumb screw for it or maybe fix this with a version 2
i have one, ive used a fastvack for years at work, i switched to the klein because of the 2nd position lock is so good for biting down really hard when cutting wood veneers or something but ive been using the elementum and its great. sure its not tooless change but i always have a t10 on me for hotel maint on door locks, and the benefit of having a super slim spine and the most possible blade exposure out of any utility knife is great. unless im cutting through hvac insulation or something im good
I have the WORKPRO works great easy open and quick change of the blade.
Sheffield 14yrs ago had a folding utility knife that also has blade storage 4 I believe 😎🇺🇸🤙🏼
I have the millwauke, Dewalt folder, and the gerber. I like them all. Thanks Aaron. 🇺🇲🔪🌲🔥
The simplest, smallest Fastback is what I use. Works every time. Quick release. Compact. And affordable. So affordable, that they are everywhere. In the house, kitchen, garage, truck, tool bag, tool box, and my pocket.
For what I'm doing with an XACTO knife, I don't want that much exposed blade. My hand would get cut up so fast with that.
I've got a handful of box cutters. Fast back is solid and cheap, but I wish was slimmer. Tactical keychains Tukk xl was the first sliding blade box cutter on the market and is really pocket friendly. Turnback knife co full size is a really nice full size option but needs a bit to change the blade too
I have the workpro button lock utility knife, I think it is the best budget utility blade out there. Nice video as always aaron. Thanks
I use a Kobalt utility knife from lowes I believe. It's a button lock and it's a gravity type of knife not a flipper, it has storage in the handle for 3X blades and the main blade releases with a little push button. It's cheap and ergonomic.
I like the thick grip, dependable black lock, and easily swapped blades on my Ozarks trail. Going to stick with that, Regardless this civivi is a neat tool, hopefully they make some improvements or Kizer gets into this game
I’m a handyman and either carry a leatherman or the fastback with the bit driver when I’m working. The fast back is a little bulky for what it is but it’s light
Tell me you’re an elder millennial without telling me you’re an elder millennial. “I worked at circuit city…” 😂
Love this, Aaron! I was at the Blade HQ store reopening and like that Civivi option, minus the points about the T7. Nice to be able to handle it in hand.
Dude!! Yes 💯 %
Nice look! For those using these kind of utility knives, what is the benefit vs one with a large snap blade?
The reversible pocket clip positions cool on the elementum. I could deal with the screw bit if the screw stayed in place but lack of blade security is unacceptable. $40+ is also more than I'd spend on a chinese utility knife. If oknife had lefty pocket clip then I'd get that in a heart beat
I daily a mini Osborne at work and lately have had to open a lot of boxes so I was looking for a slim box cutter. I tried a fastback but it's way too big for my pocket. The Civivi is perfect, has a great draw, good pocket clip and is slim/smooth for pockets. Now I leave the benchmades for my days off.
I love mine, I carry spare blades in the case it came with and that’s where I leave my T8 tool. It only requires half a turn to loosen the screw enough, it takes me longer to get a fresh blade out of its packaging. I have a Milwaukee fast back and I’ve never carried it because it’s too bulky but I love to carry my Civivi at work and the screw has never backed out.
Also to be fair when I’m using a utility blade I don’t need that much blade. What I like about the fast back is you can flip the blade and get a second use out of the blade.
The belt clip comes off the Gerber to change the blade. Push down slide out boom flathead screwdriver
I completely disagree I have carried the Gerber for about the past 12 years in the screw is one of the reasons I love it soo much. One of the biggest reasons for carrying a utility blade knife is because I use it for everything with zero worry about damaging the blade. Secondly the screw is important because it’s the only style that has not released the blade when I am getting very aggressive. The screw retainer is the only reason that I am interested in this knife. The screw on my gerber has never come loose
Glad I saw this video, definitely not getting one in its current configuration with the torx screw. Also I suggested a while ago that you should check out the Toughbuilt folding saw….. Milwaukee has come out with one as well and it’s nice too. I had to grab one of them as well. 😂
I never found the fastback more convenient than a traditional utility knife design. It deploys a bit faster but I perfer the beefier box cutters better.
I'm waiting for the $300.00 box cutter to come out. However, until then, we use the Milwaukee fastback at work without issues.
They have one. The Chavez one is like more than 300$ it’s call the chub
Got one in my cart, kinda spendy for what it is though... I did want the Gerber pry bar / utility blade one but it doesn't have a pocket clip on it for obvious reasons, but the civivi has a pocket clip and more usable blade which I kind of like but I don't know how practical it is for me... I'm still debating and probably will decide between these two by the end of this month😂... Thanks for your time and the video 😎✌️
Already have a Fastback, but if I wanted an EDC friendly less worker/tradesman looking, then I am using my pack of WorkPro Utility knives. Not getting an Oknife because of the screw. I have the Gerber EAB and its a cheap cash clip/replaceable knife combo. I and looking at getting the more expensive Tirant Razor V3 with their mini prybar accessory replacement. Definitely the most expensive option so far, but I want to see how long the quick release stands up to abuse and grime. But from what I have seen so far it is a cool option for EDC.
I’ve used my EAB for years, it’s a great little knife. My main complaint is that I’ve gone through like 3 pocket clips. The fastback is available with a bit driver for an extra $5, money well spent. Another option (personally haven’t tried yet) is the gerber prybrid utility
When the CIVI came out I saw the screw was going to be a major downfall. Got myself the Oknife. Thought I was only going to use it at work but it finds its way into my pocket the whole time. I use my leather to turn the lock screw a tad then the blade never comes loose.
My elementum utility comes with a t8 screw to replace the blade!
As a construction worker I have tons of utility knives I love them and I was looking into getting the civivi but after watching your video and watching that blade come out I'm not going to waste my money I'll just keep my Milwaukee fastback 6 and 1 the screwdriver is a big plus for work anyway
Yes sadly it’s a waste
My problem with the Milwaukee has always been that the blade pulls out cutting drywall. The same with most easy release blade knives.
I pinched the threads of my Civivi enough it has good resistance and make sure it's plenty tight.
My favourite boxcutter to this date is the Fiskars Pro YCO222 which is about 17$ its a bit heavy and the blade is of the half showing kind but whats makes is awesome is the size, ergos and the blade locking system on a push button folder, I have been working in a warehouse for about 15years so i have been going through a few differnt kinds, but for the past 2years have i only been using the fiskars one and it suit me better then even the Fastback gen1 i had before.
Have you thought about doing GT livestreams? I think it would be cool
what would you recommend most for left handed or ambidextrous use as they’re aren’t many to choose from in the market so far?
I will say, the regular elementum is the only knife I've handed to someone and heard them say "holy s@#%" because Civivi is sharper than a razor. But I'm trying to find a better replaceable blade knife for daily use rather than sharpening my nice knives
Civivi could have easily used a screw you could tighten with a coin or flat head screwdriver- or hand tightenable. Although this wouldn't fix the blade falling out problem, you could tighten it more easily to prevent it.
Nothing beats the Milwaukee fastback knifes
I have the Gerber EAB and I just use the new blade to back the screw out.
Ive always called them utility knives. I've had so many of those over the years in carpentry/ const. field . I have several of those little Gerber folder utility doodads. There small but heavy stainless steel built & with a heavy duty type razor blade that won't break or chip easily. I would never spend more then about ten to twenty on a utility knife. The Gerber works good on the screw If you have a dime in your pocket to use as a mini screwdriver. Thanks GT
I like those Gerbers because they fit in your "coin pocket" or 5th pocket? Well whatever you call it, fits really nice.
If your in production the milwaukee fastback 1502 is the undisputed king of cardboard slaying especially in receiving/unloading wharehouses
I love the Elementum Utility, I bought 2 because I couldn’t decide between the blue and the green….haha The blade being held in with the T8 doesn’t bother me, actually I like it because it holds the blade better and it doesn’t rattle.
My only issue with the elementum utility blade along with some other ones, is the blade change. They need to make it quick change. Even the thumb screw ones are kinda annoying.
Just as a preference, i would love to see them turn the button only elementum into a utility knife, mostly because its a bit bigger, that would be awesome. They really need to do something about the blade change tho.
The O-knife offering was cool and small, but it made the mistake of biting me on closing 5 times in the same day. Definitely prefer the push button designs now over the crossbar \ axis lock style.
Ouch!
The o knife handle is too short. If they made it with the longer handle it would be the best. The knife bit me as well. I wonder if we can take the screw that changes out the blade from the oknife and put it on the civivi. You think it will work better?
Olight otacle did it better. It's smaller and just as useful about 20$.
I can't think of any utility blade holder that I would trade for the fastback in my use. Having an expendable edge that I don't care about plus a Phillips and flat always ready are great.
When I think box cutter I think of a tool designed to cut cardboard cases. You need a variable depth blade to avoid cutting your inventory. Utility knives are not designed for that role nor should they be. This from daily professional use since 1975. I love the fastback but they absolutely suck for splitting cases and shallow angled cuts. I carry a fastback with screwdriver for edc because I never cut boxes away from work. Just a thought, love your videos. Also Harbor freight makes a button lock with quick change for $5.99. (Lefty interest) If I can find small enough taps I can change it to tip up left-hand carry. My next project.
Tirant v3 is my edc in my opinion best utility blade