100 year casement vs. a production casement. You be the judge.
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2024
- A great casement window is hard to find today. Casements built before 1940 have amazing details, scale, and charm. How do we get this again today? Brent walks through the 100-year casement and compares it to modern casements that have failed just 15 years after they were installed new.
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Brent I have watched your video on the tour of your mill works. I know you have a ton on your plate and to make these videos are a LOT of work so as they say so "take this under advisement". I am sure I am not alone in that I would love to see you do a more in depth detailed series of the Hull Mill Works operation, i.e. problem solution, products development, production , machinery, highlight team members rolls in the development and manufacturing process. Yes you have done most of this through video's and lectures however this would be more of a succinct look at what makes you guys tick. If anyone else agrees give me a thumbs up.
Ok, noted! I'll get discuss with my team and work on it. Thanks for the suggestion.
The differences between your windows and the old ones are incredible. Those changes look and function better!
Thanks, I agree.
Your excitement about these windows is infectious. I absolutely love that you've taken the best of the past in these windows. I want these windows on my home!
Thanks so much!
THIS is what sustainability looks like. One window that lasts as long as FIVE "green" windows.
Yes and no. While your point is well taken, we need windows that are long lasting AND energy efficient. There are probably more ideas we could steal from Europe.
Thanks! Agreed.
I agree with you. Good ideas from the past in Europe, as well as new ideas they are working on. Thanks.
2 big issues and I don’t think unique to us in the UK. Firstly, so many people inherit a poor building when buying a new or fairly new house. The media is full of horror stories where big developers just throw up bad buildings - build it cheap; build it quick and get them sold. There are warranties with new houses supposedly to protect the innocent buyers but, again, read the media as to how effective those are.
Secondly, affordability. One of our sons bought a 20 year old house. The plastic windows were just junk; badly made and badly fitted. But when they came to having to have those replaced, the only real choices available to him were UPVC and…..UPVC.
You can buy timber windows from several joinery retailers but, I have to say, they are softwood rubbish. Made to a price and never designed or made to last.
If you want high quality windows; well designed, using Accoya and quality furniture, then you will have to get them bespoke made - no way is that affordable for most people.
Most of us are not millionaires; we just cannot afford the capital outlay in buying the highest quality possible products.
Equally, most don’t know the rights and wrongs when it comes to what to buy. UPVC seem good - they are maintenance free, aren’t they? Never need painting.
Maybe we can’t crack the cost issue but we can, and should, do a lot more to make people aware of how to make informed choices
@@theofarmmanager267I think you have a misconception about wood you can have good soft wood windows it just depends on the species cedar is extremely soft but extremely rot resilient similarly ipe is almost un workable with most wood tooling but still extremely rot resistant Swiss larch is a good example there are nodric windows that are still intact 300 years on using soft woods it’s about material choice and maintenance there’s no such thing as maintenance free anything everything has a service life if there claiming it’s maintenance free that’s just a marketing term for disposable
Hi Brent. I live in Quebec and bought a bunch of old casement wood window from french regime era. Interestingly, the both have the two special features you describe - the round bead on the dise of the casement and the drip edge -. Happy to know there is still people to catch on these details and make correct copies for historic restorations!
Nice, sounds like some nice windows. Thanks.
I wanna say you have sold me on these windows, but I think your planning and the design details really do the convincing.
Thanks for sharing.
Man, that window looks amazing.
Thanks so much!
Great work. The passion, effort and experience are second to none. Thank you
Much appreciated!Thanks
So glad you are doing this. Beautiful window.
Thank you!
This is awesome 👍
Would love to see a video on the manufacturing of a custom window like that
Cool. Thanks for the idea!
Sign me up for the window geek club! Excellent video, Brent.
Haha, ok!
So what you're saying Brent is you will have a long lasting window if you build it the traditional way. More so if you can include modern day weather proofing and venting. Here in England you can often find softwood windows that are 200 years old providing they've been well maintained - inside and out. That said if i had to make a casement window today my go to would be accoya or sappele.
Yes! Build it the right way and with good wood. I agree on Accoya and Sapele. Thanks!
Casement?!
Be still my heart.
Haha, Nice.
Thank you for your passion and advocacy for wood sash windows. I live in an historic neighborhood, every time I see the windows in my community be replaced by flat, soul-less and cheap vinyl glass units, a little bit of me dies...
You and me both. Thanks.
Brent. Beautiful window. I need one of these casements for my house in Salems McIntire historic district.
YES!! I would be honored to have our window in that area. S. McIntire is my hero.
Man, I love your message. Subscribed
Awesome!! Thank you.
"THE BALLS".....LUV IT!
THanks!
It's beautiful. I love the details, the highlighting of the hardware. I know it's crazy talk these days, but in my opinion windows should also be protected from bulk water and sun by deep eaves.
I totally agree! This was an historic house, hard to add those in some cases.
I would be very interested to see how these windows compare to a premium modern window like Schüco.
Good question. Let me look.
Beautiful. Where does one purchase brass hardware like that?
Thanks. House of Antique hardware for one. There are others.
@@BrentHull Awesome, thanks! It’s hard to find the real thing these days.
Honest question. If you are using glazing puddy to install single pain glass, would it not work on double pain? When the double pain fails, remove, repair, replace.
Yep, a good quality double pane glass should easily last 20-25 years. I know when I switched to double pane windows, it silenced the outside noises, eliminated sweating, and saved a bunch on A/C costs. Winters were so much more comfortable. Why do I have to give that up by putting in windows that will only benefit my grandkids, who will probably sell the house, without any knowledge or benefit that it has nice windows? I bet glazing is an incidental cost of those windows. I love the quality and detail but pull it over the finish line!
@@TheModelmaker123 " it silenced the outside noises, "
That's a biggie!
Brent? I know you've talked about it in the pass.?
fyi experimenting w/ 1/4" safety glass 2 sheets w/ plastic in center. Helps "R"' but noise?
Great Video!!!
Great question. I like your thinking but there are 2 problems. First, the oil in the putty glazing reacts with with the gasket between the pieces of glass and causes IG glass to fail more quickly. You also can't fit an insulated piece of glass behind a traditional window muntin (1/4" reveal) because the insulated gasket (3/8"-1/2") will show. That is why muntin bars on the production windows are taped onto the glass.
I appreciate your experience but it doesn't add up with the data. IG glass is not good at reducing sound. Laminated glass is far superior at reducing outside noise. Thanks for commenting.
True. Thanks
I'd like to see an in-swing version of this. Having looked at French designs, it appears they rarely do outward opening. It's always in-swing with a cremone bolt. I can understand the difficulties with weather sealing, etc., but it's a very appealing design.
Ok, and I agree. Very appealing.
1st viewing all I saw was Roofs and Bricks. (Oh that Slate! 🤩)
2nd viewing coming up...
Thanks Brent!!!
(Oh that Brass! 🤩)
Haha, thanks!
Nice windows Brent!
Thank you!!
I've been waiting for this! Love your windows Brent! How about sharing your design drawings?
I'm probably going to make them available on our Patreon page, passion for craft. Working through what that will look like. Thanks.
@@BrentHull Thank you!
Did he just say "This is the thing that is the balls"? 🤣 Love it!
Haha, well, it is! 😂
There are a lot of trade-offs when selecting today's casement windows for our projects. They rarely look right--except expensive ones meant to be modern in appearance. These 100 year windows look great.
True and thanks!
Very similar to sash windows in the UK, though if it's linseed putty don't expect more than 7 years in a sunny environment
Thanks, we get longer than that, at least from our experience.
@@BrentHull Hi Bent, firstly let me say that your windows look fantastic, I spent many years repainting and restoring similar windows for the royal palaces in London, our remit was to maintain these windows on a 7 year cycle and whilst some still looked great other were in desperate need of refurbishment, one of the issues was that guys would not prime the bare wood before using linseed putty and this would dry out the putty making it fail much sooner, we also tested different paints over the 7 year period and found that Sikkens paint beat all of the competition by a huge margin.
That house looks like it has a hundred windows. $$$ You want quality, be prepared to pony up. This ain’t your daddy’s Window World windows, this is the good stuff 👍
haha, true!
Brent, most of the time, in your videos, you show painted trim, doors and window, which is probably the accurate finish for most of these items on several buildings. If you had to make a window and its trim with a translucid finish like varnish, whallac, etc., what would you use for historic accuracy AND durability? thx
Good question. It depends on the home and the period. I would most likely switch to an old growth wood like Long Leaf Pine or Tide-water red Cypress. Those have or match an historic grain type. Obviously I would try to match the wood and grain type of the interior trim. Thanks.
@@BrentHull And would you finish it with a shellac? a varnish (if so, what type)?
Really nice Brent! -- QUESTION -- Which would you prefer as your "prefect" window. Assume they are all made properly with proper brass/bronze as needed and proper wood etc.: 1) Double hung, 2) Single Hung, or 3) Casement window such as shown here. Also, it would be for the North East so cold winters. If you had to pick your perfect window for a house which would you pick Brent?
It would start with what is appropriate for the architecture of the house. If it is a small English or French cottage I would go with casements. Georgian or Colonial Revival architecture would be a double hung. Just for energy probably a single hung window with storm. Thx.
@@BrentHull ...perfect.. Yes, it is a Georgian style house that originally came with single hung. We are kinda fascinated with double hung windows but saw a video where it was mentioned that single hung is much tighter. Those large British doulbe hung windows are stunning but I don't think it is cold in England like in the North East.
Do you offer an aesthetically matching mosquito screen solution for these beautiful windows?
Yes, we do. Thanks.
If the cost of your windows are out of what I can afford - what is your next recommendation? Currently sourcing windows for my own project (c. 1870 WI vernacular farmhouse) and need approximately 4 windows and one exterior door to reinstate the look and feel of the front porch-- do you recommend buying old windows and re-glazing, filling, painting, etc (which would also mean finding/ building screens and storms) or buying the best manufactured windows I can afford?
Hmm, if there were good historic windows in good shape I would probably start there.
Can screens be installed as well ?
Yes, but a little tricky. Outswing casements need an interior screen.
Would like to see how that is done
Where are these available?
From Hull Millwork. reach out to Alice at info@brenthull.com. Thx.
I'm doubtful that anything having to do with beauty was forgotten, they've dispensed with it in an effort to increase profits. The building codes should have to match what you're producing...yes, I know it's a pipe dream.
One house at a time. Thanks for your comment.
Putty is great if it contains lead white stabiliser. That is banned now so it doesn't last more than twenty years. It dries out shrinks cracks and looses adhesion.
Same with timber primer. It used to be lead based. Modern oil based paints dont even come close to the same weather resistance.
Especially in coastal area's.
Thanks for sharing.
Brent, have a look at this guy and his take on casement windows
Thanks!
So it's basically a Radford plate 74 design.
It's basically a lot of great windows from around the 1900's, Radford included.
@Brent Hull Didn't mean to imply it's a direct copy, but has all the features, short of the spring bronze. I didn't think Radford was designing what was in his books, but more observations on what was typical or best practice of the period.
I just went with Marvin Essential casements. No wood to rot, just fiberglass sash and frame. Besides water intrusion, wood windows can fail as well from high inside humidity in winter, where condensation on the glass runs down and pools on the window sill. No more wood windows for me. If you want painted windows, then fiberglass is the way to go long term. For restorations of old buildings however, with fiberglass, you lose the ability to duplicate the old windows details.
Thanks for sharing.
Using Sapele is real sustainability!! RED State wisdom-----Texas! Putting good money into casement windows is worth it.
Agreed! Thanks.
Definitely better
Thanks!
the paint job looks horrible. Should go with a capstock/coloured film instead.
Noted, thanks.
@@BrentHull Glad to help Brent!
No one's house is perfect with a camera zoomed in on it like that. That's what is so great about Brent's videos, he knows they're not all picture perfect, & he's honest about it, nothing to hide. Not every detail can be 100%. Show me a house with a microscope on every window paint job that's 100% perfect & I'll show you a job that ran the owner broke or close to it.