@@ScooterinAB If it was released for free, it’d probably be okay. There are fan films for all sorts of properties, as long as they state it’s not official and make no money off it, the right’s holders usually turn a blind-eye to it.
@@Sailorsega IP law is apparently still very dicey. A lot of fan films exist because the IP owners are turning a blind eye to them. But they may have to act in certain situations, even when money isn't attached, since IP law is about the inherent value of the IP, not about profits. If something is damaging to image of a company's IP, they take on a lot of risk by not acting.
We just got 4 color stills from the film this week, I have no idea where they came from but they're on the Lost Media Wiki page now. Shot of Kraven looking spot-on, shot of the spider signal shining on a wall by the criminals, shot of Spidey climbing on a wall at night, and a shot of Spidey punching the criminals on a NY rooftop. It all makes me want to see the film even more as everything there looks so authentic. It's crazy to me there's a semi-professional early 70s Spidey film out there and we can't see it. These kinds of projects are the ones that excite me the most because they're from before fans got big-budget adaptations and they made what they wanted to see, true as can be. I've been following this one for a decade now and I'm hoping more and more of the lost media community becomes aware of this and can come together to find this nearly 50 year old thing, I'm really glad videos like this are being made now, it's a good step.
Been a Spider-Man fan for as long as I can remember, figured I knew everything about the character and I'd never heard of this before. This is why I love your channel.
i've been a spider-man fan since i was a toddler, and this is the first time i heard about this, i knew about the cancelled cannon film, but not this. Great video, well done
Seems like something Lord and Miller would totally do. After all, they once expressed their interest to get "Italian Spider-Man" into one of the films.
Nice work-you did a fair amount of research for this…and here’s some more. In my 2008 book about the history of fan films, Homemade Hollywood, I wrote an entire chapter about this flick and interviewed Cardozo multiple times for it. Perhaps the most amazing fact about the production was that Cardozo’s supervisor at his part-time job, Tom, helped make it, but then quit because his band was getting sort of popular. Tom was just about to become punk legend Tommy Ramone (and I interviewed him before his death about Cardozo’s film, too). Get a copy of my book and you’ll discover a lot more crazy stuff about the production of this classic lost flick.
I ordered a copy the other day, excited to check it out and learn more! That's a pretty crazy connection, considering The Ramones even did a cover of the '60s Spidey theme later. Probably a silly question that might be answered in the book, but did you ever get to see the film? I've been searching for this thing for 10 years now and there's been a small burst of interest lately which has been nice to see, more people becoming aware of something this obscure is a good thing in my eyes. Hoping to see it someday as I'm a big oldschool Spidey fan, and oldschool fan-film-fan so it looks like a tailor-made thing I'd totally eat up.
Will do! I made a(short) video about this a couple years back and with some new info and photos out I'll want to make a new, updated video that's better. This will be a valuable resource!
Really interesting to hear bootlegs were out there and it just never made its way online, in that case there should be some greater hope. Do you still own that VHS? If so, getting that thing digitized ASAP would be wonderful! If you're unable, I happily volunteer! I recently saw another video with a family member of one of the actor's in this saying they remember seeing it screened for their family in their grandparent's home, and they saw bootlegs online in the early 2000s on an Italian bootleg site. Shame those places are harder to come by these days, I found another rare Spidey fan film in those days when places like that were pretty accessible.
@@bewaretheconficker I would give anything to have my old VHS tapes. I would tape things in the day while I was at school then watch it in my room at night while the adults had their TV time. I had all kinds of old commercials and episodes of daytime talk shoes... But, ya know, dust in the wind. I now have absolutely nothing in my life from before age 18, including my High School records and now living in a new country I'm having to take their version of the GED! Lost media f'in kills me and I feel double dead that I have lost so much of my own. But that compilation was never "mine". I'd be about 85% sure the owner STILL has it but he's a bit of a creepy hermit and doesn't take kindly to requests of any sort. He had so many tapes back in the day. Several pieces of recently found media were things I watched from his collection... Salo, wierd claymation cartoons, this Spider-Man. I wish someone could convince him to digitize the whole collection but he won't even talk to anyone unless they are already dropping dollars.
@@constancestrawn1303 I hear that, I had a lot of old original airings for shows, some promotional interruptions with Spidey from the MTV show I never have seen documented online/custom boxes I would color on with crayons lol- don't even remember when I parted with all those! A lot of old home video tapes I ended up giving away as part of an art project with the dust to dust mentality, I got my use out of em, preserved what I could and passed them on. If you're comfortable with giving a name for this VHS person (or over a private message maybe), I'm undeterred to see if I could give it a shot.
@@constancestrawn1303 hi dude , i know i'm very late and i'm still very interested in seeing this film , and i know this one's a pretty silly question , was the copy you saw in decent quality or poor condition ?
@@houssameasy03 as good as a bootleg VHS in the late 80s was... I recall generation artifacts and signs the tracking was slightly off in spots, but it was likely a 2nd or 3rd generation tape. Not Disney Vault quality, but as good as would be expected for the media.
I can’t believe I’ve never heard of this film. I’m a massive fan film nerd and Dan Poole’s flick was such a big piece of that - I would give anything to see this.
Hypothetically, marvel could have a copy in their archives. I say this because as the film was presented up til 2005, it’s likely he had at least sent a proper film print to Marvel after the intervening years as a curtesy/requirement to the rights holders. Unlikely, but it’s a shot in the dark like everything else about this film.
I hope by next year we see this film release for the public by next year, not only that but by next year will be 60 years of Spider-Man`s first appearance, also 20 years of Spider-Man first movie and the next spiderman movie, Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse.
I’ve would’ve LOVED to see this movie for it’s beautiful comic accurate character designs and story ripped from Kraven’s first appearance. It’s really unfortunate that these were all lost
Damn no mention of Japanese spider man when talking about all the different Spidermen lol I watched the entire series and even the movie lol Edit: nice that you included clips of it :p
I really want to see this. I don’t even care if this movie is bad or average, it’s the first Spider-Man movie!!! That’s something to give this movie. I would rather watch this movie than Phase 4 of the MCU universe so far.
This is kinda of a funny story I written my own spider man fan flim with kraven has the main villain I’ve been recently thinking about if I should rework my idea of my movie Spider Man:Hunting Season
Someone needs to make a documentary about this like with the Nicholas Cage Superman movie maybe then we can get some kind of a release of the movie or at least more information on it
@@frankuraku5622 i would love to hear about something like carnage hall that no one ever talks about, but the problem with mentioning things that aren't popular is that no one knows what you are talking about.
Hello! So this is not exactly lost but There's this movie I saw in the early 2010s about this group of cutesy cgi animals (very stylized btw) And one of them really wants to be a sheep. I think they have a BUNCH of air balloon it for some reason. I just need to know, then I'll delete this comment.
@@adityakhanna919 no, it was completely stylized. One of the characters was a giraffe. It was presumably a French or Korean production, as it was dubbed.
Can you do a lost movies episode (my personal pick for the list would definitely be London After Midnight starring the much imitated but never matched Lon Chaney you may know his son as he was the first mainstream werewolf in movies (1941's The Wolf Man)
Hmm. The fact the guy who made it doesn't (or didn't) want it released is odd. I doubt it's because it's a mess since Stan Lee didn't think so. My best guess is that this has to do with Sony and Disney. They have the writes to the character, in various forms, so if this were released commercially...possibly even released for free...then they might let the other shoe drop. Two extremely powerful corporations who see this character as basically just a bank account and possibly being outclassed by a twentysomething dude with a movie he made with the lint in his pocket that the creator of the character liked would look bad for them. In fact it could fuck with their copyrights, which is basically why that Josh Trank Fantastic Four movie was made, purely to cling to a dying copyright.
I mean the best bet is to release free online, there's hundreds of spider-man fan films, and most have been around for almost a decade now. I mean if random youtubers don't get a call from the big guys so I doubt a stan lee approved project presumed lost would be any different.
I hope we find this movie one day, Bruce was a piece of shit for fighting against this movie being released and obviously not a true fan of spider-man cause he doesn’t give a shit about preserving the history of the character. Happy that if we do find this he won’t be alive to get any of the credit or praise.
This film deserves to be released to the public. The fact that Stan Lee himself approved of the film is even more reason for it to be released!
To be fair, Lee was kind of a head case. Plus, any release would be immediately buried by a team of a dozen lawyers.
@@ScooterinAB If it was released for free, it’d probably be okay. There are fan films for all sorts of properties, as long as they state it’s not official and make no money off it, the right’s holders usually turn a blind-eye to it.
@@Sailorsega IP law is apparently still very dicey. A lot of fan films exist because the IP owners are turning a blind eye to them. But they may have to act in certain situations, even when money isn't attached, since IP law is about the inherent value of the IP, not about profits. If something is damaging to image of a company's IP, they take on a lot of risk by not acting.
To be totally fair Stan also was ok with selling the rights to a spider-man movie to Michal Jackson as long as he could play JJJ
@@creed8712 He also signed off on the Japanese Spider-man live-action series. Which, while awesome, was pretty far removed from the Spider-Man comics.
Lost Media Mike literally wants pictures of Spider-Man.
Dude, I'd only ever seen one other lost media channel talk about this one - as a massive Spider-Man fan, thank you so much for spreading the word.
This film would've been revolutionary for its time
it broke new ground
We just got 4 color stills from the film this week, I have no idea where they came from but they're on the Lost Media Wiki page now. Shot of Kraven looking spot-on, shot of the spider signal shining on a wall by the criminals, shot of Spidey climbing on a wall at night, and a shot of Spidey punching the criminals on a NY rooftop.
It all makes me want to see the film even more as everything there looks so authentic. It's crazy to me there's a semi-professional early 70s Spidey film out there and we can't see it. These kinds of projects are the ones that excite me the most because they're from before fans got big-budget adaptations and they made what they wanted to see, true as can be.
I've been following this one for a decade now and I'm hoping more and more of the lost media community becomes aware of this and can come together to find this nearly 50 year old thing, I'm really glad videos like this are being made now, it's a good step.
@UlookBeautifultoday. it's also on the movie's IMDb page
If even a few seconds of it is ever found, even in black and white. It's gonna be a historic moment for superheroes
Been a Spider-Man fan for as long as I can remember, figured I knew everything about the character and I'd never heard of this before. This is why I love your channel.
Imagine if Nicholas Hammond from the 77' show was in Now Way Home
The idea of a super hero villain being defeated by getting deported is so funny. Immigration, the true final boss.
i've been a spider-man fan since i was a toddler, and this is the first time i heard about this, i knew about the cancelled cannon film, but not this. Great video, well done
Maybe this Spiderman will show up in the Into the Spiderverse sequel.
Seems like something Lord and Miller would totally do. After all, they once expressed their interest to get "Italian Spider-Man" into one of the films.
Nice work-you did a fair amount of research for this…and here’s some more. In my 2008 book about the history of fan films, Homemade Hollywood, I wrote an entire chapter about this flick and interviewed Cardozo multiple times for it. Perhaps the most amazing fact about the production was that Cardozo’s supervisor at his part-time job, Tom, helped make it, but then quit because his band was getting sort of popular. Tom was just about to become punk legend Tommy Ramone (and I interviewed him before his death about Cardozo’s film, too). Get a copy of my book and you’ll discover a lot more crazy stuff about the production of this classic lost flick.
I’ll buy it soon
I ordered a copy the other day, excited to check it out and learn more! That's a pretty crazy connection, considering The Ramones even did a cover of the '60s Spidey theme later. Probably a silly question that might be answered in the book, but did you ever get to see the film?
I've been searching for this thing for 10 years now and there's been a small burst of interest lately which has been nice to see, more people becoming aware of something this obscure is a good thing in my eyes. Hoping to see it someday as I'm a big oldschool Spidey fan, and oldschool fan-film-fan so it looks like a tailor-made thing I'd totally eat up.
Will do! I made a(short) video about this a couple years back and with some new info and photos out I'll want to make a new, updated video that's better. This will be a valuable resource!
This is a fantastic channel. Everytime I get the notification I watch and am always glad I did.
Thank you for watching! 💕
@@AllThingsLost no problem. Maybe godzilla episode...lol
Mike continues to give us that heat with every upload. It was also cool to see you collaborating with Jorge, and LSSQ, as well, man.
I'm still in disbelief that it actually happened! Thanks so much for the support, it really means a lot.
@@AllThingsLost No problem, man. Godspeed!!
Bootlegs exist. Check yalls old VHS tapes. The copy I saw in the late 80s was on a compilation with "The Empire Strikes Quack".
Really interesting to hear bootlegs were out there and it just never made its way online, in that case there should be some greater hope. Do you still own that VHS? If so, getting that thing digitized ASAP would be wonderful! If you're unable, I happily volunteer!
I recently saw another video with a family member of one of the actor's in this saying they remember seeing it screened for their family in their grandparent's home, and they saw bootlegs online in the early 2000s on an Italian bootleg site. Shame those places are harder to come by these days, I found another rare Spidey fan film in those days when places like that were pretty accessible.
@@bewaretheconficker I would give anything to have my old VHS tapes. I would tape things in the day while I was at school then watch it in my room at night while the adults had their TV time. I had all kinds of old commercials and episodes of daytime talk shoes...
But, ya know, dust in the wind. I now have absolutely nothing in my life from before age 18, including my High School records and now living in a new country I'm having to take their version of the GED!
Lost media f'in kills me and I feel double dead that I have lost so much of my own. But that compilation was never "mine". I'd be about 85% sure the owner STILL has it but he's a bit of a creepy hermit and doesn't take kindly to requests of any sort. He had so many tapes back in the day. Several pieces of recently found media were things I watched from his collection... Salo, wierd claymation cartoons, this Spider-Man. I wish someone could convince him to digitize the whole collection but he won't even talk to anyone unless they are already dropping dollars.
@@constancestrawn1303 I hear that, I had a lot of old original airings for shows, some promotional interruptions with Spidey from the MTV show I never have seen documented online/custom boxes I would color on with crayons lol- don't even remember when I parted with all those! A lot of old home video tapes I ended up giving away as part of an art project with the dust to dust mentality, I got my use out of em, preserved what I could and passed them on.
If you're comfortable with giving a name for this VHS person (or over a private message maybe), I'm undeterred to see if I could give it a shot.
@@constancestrawn1303 hi dude , i know i'm very late and i'm still very interested in seeing this film , and i know this one's a pretty silly question , was the copy you saw in decent quality or poor condition ?
@@houssameasy03 as good as a bootleg VHS in the late 80s was... I recall generation artifacts and signs the tracking was slightly off in spots, but it was likely a 2nd or 3rd generation tape. Not Disney Vault quality, but as good as would be expected for the media.
Always excited to get the notification for a new video. Also awesome to see you in Jorge's new video, two of my favorite when it comes to lost media.
I can’t believe I’ve never heard of this film. I’m a massive fan film nerd and Dan Poole’s flick was such a big piece of that - I would give anything to see this.
5:51 bro the guy who plays spider-man in this looks a lot like Andrew Garfield
This was such an interesting video! Thank you for talking about this, i don't think I'd ever have heard of it otherwise
If it's been shown as recently as 2005, it has to be out there somehwhere.
Hypothetically, marvel could have a copy in their archives. I say this because as the film was presented up til 2005, it’s likely he had at least sent a proper film print to Marvel after the intervening years as a curtesy/requirement to the rights holders.
Unlikely, but it’s a shot in the dark like everything else about this film.
Unlikely. They didn't make it. They had nothing to do with it. And it was a student film.
It's so great to see more people discovering this lost classic!
One piece of lost media I hope gets a dedicated search team is P.X.G a video game review show that aired on Jetix in the UK in the mid 2000's.
PLEASE talk about more lost Spider-Man media! I would also love to see a video about lost Simpsons media (if that's even a thing).
I've never wanted to watch a fan film so badly
Love this channel. I've recently gone down a lost media rabbit hole and this channel talks about alot of media I haven't heard alot about
I hope by next year we see this film release for the public by next year, not only that but by next year will be 60 years of Spider-Man`s first appearance, also 20 years of Spider-Man first movie and the next spiderman movie, Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse.
I can't believe how I never knew about this as a big spider-man. Thank you so much for this video.
Oh hi there!!! Any upload from you makes the day THAT much better! Thanks for doin’ whatcha do!
Oh hi there! 👋 Thank you so much for saying that, I'm so glad you enjoy the videos!
always excited to see your videos! :)
Now I’m dying to see it! Great work! I just subbed!
You're spoiling us with all these uploads.
I’ve would’ve LOVED to see this movie for it’s beautiful comic accurate character designs and story ripped from Kraven’s first appearance. It’s really unfortunate that these were all lost
I am always so glad whenever you upload a video your videos are always amazing and really interesting keep it up bro
Thanks for watching!
@@AllThingsLost np man love your videos
I wanna see this now so badly ;_;
This is very interesting! This kind of lost media feels very special.
The Spider-Man iceberg goes deeper than once anticipated.
Had no idea about this one! Great video.
Damn no mention of Japanese spider man when talking about all the different Spidermen lol
I watched the entire series and even the movie lol
Edit: nice that you included clips of it :p
Hi lost media Mike, it was awesome seeing you in the new Jorge vid, have a great holiday season!
Thank you! I'm still in a state of shock that it actually happened.
Hey I did a video on this a little while ago; glad to see people still talk about this film, hope it'll be released in some way
I would love to see this. I'm sure it's bad but still. So we're 3 of the movies in the last 20 years lol
I think my family might have a personal copy but it would be in storage somewhere
If you do and can get that preserved online you'd be a hero to many lol
@@bewaretheconficker thank I appreciate that
@@jackpastorio4457 really?
@@jackpastorio4457 Really?
As a Spider-Man fan I love the classic and goofy ditco era and I would love to see this too bad it’s lost
I really want to see this. I don’t even care if this movie is bad or average, it’s the first Spider-Man movie!!! That’s something to give this movie. I would rather watch this movie than Phase 4 of the MCU universe so far.
I swear to god I saw some random 10 second clip of the movie that was meant to be Spiderman swinging around New York.
just imagine if this happened today. Disney would NEVER let this happen...
And coming almost full circle, now we will hopefully get a Kraven movie once and for all soon
Nice vid have you ever thought about making a vid on the scorpions sting another lost Spider-Man fan film
SOOOOO CLOSE TO 80 THOUSAND
I looked up the Cecil b. Demille movie, it looks like something that you would possibly make a video about. Interesting stuff.
the internet is unbeatable this film will be found some day
We must hunt for this movie! I'm kraven this movie! (Get it?)
Does anyone know who provided the film copy for the 2005 Screening? Because that might be another place to look.
art schweitzer just gained credit for a film in 2021
good news, I have made contact with Joe Ellison and hope to offer some ever greater news soon
Bad news, nothing came from it
@@Wikcan yo what did he say ?
I am I die hard fan and have seen every official live action appearance of Spider-Man except the ones I don’t know exist
You should 100% do a lost Superhero movies vid
God, I really want to watch this
Really bad
Yes.
I put the call out to about 40k people to see if anyone has a info on this movie. I hope to post an update on it if anything turns up,
joe looks so much like andrew garfield omg
from the rl stuff. the japanese spiderman series is my favorite
This is kinda of a funny story I written my own spider man fan flim with kraven has the main villain I’ve been recently thinking about if I should rework my idea of my movie
Spider Man:Hunting Season
Someone needs to make a documentary about this like with the Nicholas Cage Superman movie maybe then we can get some kind of a release of the movie or at least more information on it
So nobody from either convention can talk about the film?
You scuffed my Tims Spider-Man
If I know a internet rabbit hole for some lost media that might be worth covering, where would you want us to tell you about it?
As someone read that issue, kinda forgot that Kraven and Chameleon got deported XD
Have you heard of Superboy & Supergirl & 7 Monster?
You should also cover the Cannon Films Spider-Man
Spider-man 4 & the amazing Spider-Man 3
Can't wait to hear this for the 987th time
@@frankuraku5622 i would love to hear about something like carnage hall that no one ever talks about, but the problem with mentioning things that aren't popular is that no one knows what you are talking about.
You forgot to mention Toei Spiderman at the beginning
original treatments lost of movies please
What universe does this spiderman exist in?
Hello!
So this is not exactly lost but
There's this movie I saw in the early 2010s about this group of cutesy cgi animals (very stylized btw)
And one of them really wants to be a sheep.
I think they have a BUNCH of air balloon it for some reason. I just need to know, then I'll delete this comment.
Universal's Babe The Sheep Pig?
I am not sure just a wild guess
@@adityakhanna919 no, it was completely stylized. One of the characters was a giraffe. It was presumably a French or Korean production, as it was dubbed.
@@Eepop_stuffs Ight. No clue then
Poison
FOR THE STRENGTH OF TEN GORILLAS!
What's your favourite Spider-Man movie?
So Bruce had no family who would have tried to preserve this??
What aholes will throw his computer away
If there was a lost spiderman movie, sad that it was lost to history.
Can you do a lost movies episode (my personal pick for the list would definitely be London After Midnight starring the much imitated but never matched Lon Chaney you may know his son as he was the first mainstream werewolf in movies (1941's The Wolf Man)
You forgot the Japanese Spiderman
9:40 Cecil B. DeMILE hahahahah!!! It's pronounced "DeMille", my dude!
what's the film at 5:00?
The invisible man (193?) i forgot what year
Who else is here after seeing the kraven the hunter movie trailer?
Indubitably
Hmm. The fact the guy who made it doesn't (or didn't) want it released is odd. I doubt it's because it's a mess since Stan Lee didn't think so. My best guess is that this has to do with Sony and Disney. They have the writes to the character, in various forms, so if this were released commercially...possibly even released for free...then they might let the other shoe drop. Two extremely powerful corporations who see this character as basically just a bank account and possibly being outclassed by a twentysomething dude with a movie he made with the lint in his pocket that the creator of the character liked would look bad for them. In fact it could fuck with their copyrights, which is basically why that Josh Trank Fantastic Four movie was made, purely to cling to a dying copyright.
I mean the best bet is to release free online, there's hundreds of spider-man fan films, and most have been around for almost a decade now. I mean if random youtubers don't get a call from the big guys so I doubt a stan lee approved project presumed lost would be any different.
4:18
this spiderman should've been in no way home
Ayy
Spider-Man, where are you coming from?
Spider-Man, nobody knows who you are!
Mike when is the next video?
:-))))
It’s been found!!!!
Andrew Pastorio, sounds familiar
I'm the 27th person who comment on this video
1969
Hehe nice
forget Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield, bring back Joe Ellison's Spider-Man in No Way Home
I hope we find this movie one day, Bruce was a piece of shit for fighting against this movie being released and obviously not a true fan of spider-man cause he doesn’t give a shit about preserving the history of the character. Happy that if we do find this he won’t be alive to get any of the credit or praise.
That’s pretty harsh, considering it’s his film that he could do with as he pleases.
Its HIS movie, he can decide to not release it.
Its only history because we know about it now, it was probably just embarrassing for him.