Technically SBS are equivalent to DEVGRU/Seal Team 6 in terms of skill and operational capabilities. The standard SEAL teams are probably more equivalent to the Royal Marines Commandos
@@ifell3 Nope, Delta are like the SAS. The SAS came first, and the SAS was brought in the build the Delta training and selection programme. Delta force is modeled on the SAS.
You're on point about the SBS being equivalent to DEVGRU, but the US military is much larger and the "vanilla" SEAL community is still smaller than the RM Commando community. Both in capabilities and selection, SEALs are superior to RM Commandos. The UK doesn't really have an equivalent.
Ah yes, these two silent professionals talking about their profession on UA-cam and the plethora of books and media they both have directly produced. Very silent
The original SBS were based in and trained from Lumps Fort in Southsea in my home town of Portsmouth, Hampshire, England, the home of the Royal Navy. It's now a flower garden
Remembrance day today. Hearing what you are saying about the soft skills we learn in the military, I realise how much confidence I have lost since I left the army. Marching today in the local parade, I suddenly felt part of something again that I have been missing since I retired from the MOB.
Ah, definitely someone who's been in! When I casually mention 'when I was in the mob' in my social circle, the ex-Army guys know what what I mean & the terminology. Everybody else is like "huh?" 😅 I wouldn't say that confidence stays with you throughout life, no. It doesn't take long being out to realize being a savage at section attacks or being a nav genius doesn't do you much good in the civilian world, and I found for myself that confidence eventually wore off as I realized my skill sets weren't all that useful on civi street. I think that confidence comes from having that switched on, combat mindset - easier to switch over to when in, becomes challenging when out My 0.02 cents anyway
"like an officer moving with a map" 🤣 this made my day and I will spread this magical formula here in my french unit of mountain troops it will make them laugh so hard I think 👌🏻 very very nice interview!
@@wessexdruid7598 "dear Santa Claus, for Christmas I'd like a good sense of humor please". Take it easy that was a joke we don't even say that 🤣 Gotta have a good sens of humor if you want to survive in the military, did you left it when you quit? 😘
Thats a impressive way to set the standard for the SBS unit. Crossing the canal in a Klepper with nothing but some resistance intel, and a somewhat reliable radio and small arms then hike across the Pyraneese.
Operation Frankton was actually in December 1942 so a bit earlier than 1944. They were launched from a Royal Navy submarine that brought them as close as possible to the estuary mouth. No radio, and small arms were limited to .45 Colt 1911's and a knife... It definitely didn't bring the war to an end 6 months earlier either....6 damaged ships isn't going to have that effect.. Truth is, whilst incredibly brave, it highlighted some major issues around co-operation between the services and intelligence agencies. The RN and RM Boom Patrol Detachment (as the SBS were then called) did their job, at great risk and cost....but....it later came to light that the Special Operations Executive actually had agents in Bordeaux at the harbour who could have given them far more accurate intel, but also potentially carried out the operation at far less risk and cost. SOE were very displeased about the raid as the German's got very paranoid and more alert about espionage and sabotage operations in ports as a result. Problem was, due to wartime secrecy (for obvious reasons) no-one was talking to each other, or at least as aware of each other operations as they should be. Ultimately Frankton and Jubilee (the Dieppe raid) led to much greater co-operation and liaison between forces at the higher levels which ultimately bore fruit in the successful operations and invasions later in the war.
@@TooBadJim what happened to the DEA Director (Administrator, actually I think) last year. What happened to the individual as head of the DEA before Anne Milgram assumed office June 24, 2021. What happened to Travis Bonnar. He's 'Christopher Wray'. FBI Director. He was ousted. Just hasn't been publicized yet. What you know about that particular situation. Travis Bonnar was mentored by Martin Sheen, by the way. He's former FBI Director James Comey. What are your thoughts regarding this matter. Sir.
@@paulAnthony7236 yes just SAS more out there since Iranian embassy raid as someone said was letting fox into the hen house or something like that was young at time
The only SBS Ops I ever heard of in recent times was the Battle of Qala-I-Jangi in Afghanistan. They were called in to assist in the rescue of CIA agents. As usual, SBS was initially misidentified as SAS but they didn’t bother to correct it.
@@empire-classfirenationbatt2691 That's because the SBS don't want public recognition when we read headlines about SAS responding to terrorist attacks in the UK,and about other operations I've got no doubt SBS were apart of of those events,like when they were in Manchester,London,Liverpool,and Newcastle SBS were definitely there too since they're also counter terrorism not just maritime but the headlines says it's "SAS" but that's all thanks to the Iranian embassy siege and the media don't know shit,I personally think the SBS are the best of all time cos they're professional in everything sea air and land,truly the best of the best
@@empire-classfirenationbatt2691 Yeah good spot I think if any SAS/SBS get identified they are then severely limited on how/if they can continue to serve
I had 12 years in the military joining at 16yrs, 44 years later my military skills have made sure I have never had one day out of work and I have served the UK for 43 years and climbed the ladder to command in the Civil Service !! I fully understand this conversation!! Good effort SC !!
I had a very similar in timeline career as yourself. I have NEVER been out of work, when I got out I work my way from being on the tools to managing a multi million profit line. Unfortunately due to a poor decision by our CEO to leave one customer (BT) & work for the opposition (Virgin Media) we have all been swallowed up hence me finding myself on the job market. Any jobs going 😉, it would really help me out. Thanks 🙏
I’m 28 and am about to do the same for the same reasons, I want the skills and the mind set that will come with the career.. it’s just picking the role I’m struggling with, part of me wants to join the marines
I joined the Australian Army in 94. Only a few operations going between that time up until 99 when East Timor began and then it was every man and his dog (If you were a dog handler) was getting deployed in 2001 til 2021. I got out in 2012 and it is amazing how many "Soft skills" you pick up that are an advantage to your new chosen path. The trick for many is to find that new path and I believe accepting a new way to feel fulfilled is a must. The one big advice I have is "Everybody discharges" it might be a short time or it might be a long time in or could end because of other reasons beyond our control so don't pee your money up against the wall, maintain your fitness, watch the civil job market and look into investments ☺
I was in Oecussi in 99-2000, then onto the Solomons in 01 and then Iraq 02-04. Mate we discharge but never truly leave the ADF, as dysfunctional as it was and is, I owe my current life to the lessons learnt in uniform good ad bad. Thanks for your service Dig.
Fantastic advice, and great viewpoints from you both. And something I wish I'd known a few years back, after I got out of the Canadia Forces after 11 years in. It's so true about leaving the service, but not really such a thing as being ex-military. Always a part of you, and I find vets can somehow pick other vets out of a crowd.
Outstanding interview. As a long-time retired 11B5G4X I believe this was a grossly underrated video. I was impressed that the SEAL knew SF focuses (or should focus) on overthrowing hostile governments as opposed to exclusively DA or reconnaissance. There is a LOT of wisdom from these two!
My great grandad was in the sbs as a chief engineer. He told me stories about his training in the arctic circle and in the jungle and in the desert but he can’t tell me about the real action. He is still alive and he is very young (for a great grandad) at an age of 82. He now has a huge motor home, a house in the uk (where he lives), a house in France and a house in the philippines.
The toy you mentioned is “Action Man”. I’m in Australia but my Aunty sent me a full set when I was younger. Came with inflatable boat, black combats, MP5, explosives, the whole kit. They’re awesome. Probably worth a bit now if I still had it!!
Back in the early 1990's, I knew 2 of the SBS guys who, at different times, were liaison to the US Navy Seals, in California (think it was a 2 year rotation). Really nice guys.
These guys are great! Humble. Honest. Humorous. So much sense in what they say. Brilliant insights into special service. Very recruit in any Army should watch this conversation.
You don’t really have to have that much years of experience in the military to be able to join the SAS/SBS, you just have to be at a level where the people in charge of you think your good. Enough. You can join and pass out in the military at 23 and apply for SF selection after 1 if you wanted to but that usually doesn’t happen because you’ll obviously want to gain more experience.
Depends on the SEAL, depends on the day. When it comes to these guys any attempt to make a comparison based on broad generalizations is just a complete waste of time & effort. There is no way to quantify skills & performance accurately nor any known standard to qualify any judgement of such things.
@@justintodd9165I agree 100% the constant back and forth you always see seems totally pointless to me / apart from the fact that wales is absolutely brutal to train in 😂
until the 1980s SBS were royal marines, and still had one foot in the Royal Marine door until about 15 years ago, when the link was severed and SBS became independent of the RM and integrated with the SAS under UKSF command. i think it wasn't until 2003 when the SBS were given their own cap badge and started recruiting from outside just the RM. SBS has morphed into something much more like the SAS, from 40 years ago when the it was the Special Boat Squadron of the Royal Marines. Whereas the SAS was its own thing from day 1, SBS only finished becoming its own thing 20 years ago. in the Falklands war, the SBS was still under the RM command, SBS swimmer canoeists were still Royal Marines themselves.
@@paulmcgee1867 There isnt any point in doing that, the SBS needed to change, it was for the better. Right now the SBS are going more back to the routes and the SAS as well.
Listening what you said about the soft skills we acquire and develop in the military. This carries you massively in civvy street. The ability to express yourself with confidence and the ability to respond and react to changes in situation is second nature, I have found that I do it without thinking both at home and at work. All the soft skills you acquire is something you tend to take for granted, until you find you are making use of it. It is a precious skill which I have found not to be a perishable skill, it is always lurking their in the background. It is probably why I have such a positive outlook in the face of adversity, I hear about a lot of ex-service men and women struggling in civvy street. It is a shame that there is not a dedicated programme that helps you transfer your skills. I touched on in one of my resettlement courses. Unfortunately it does not seem to resonate in all ex-service personnel which is a shame.
For a lot of us US Mil guys they didnt know about the SBS until that funker530 video came out with SBS and USMC guys on a rooftop in a firefight together. Great info. Subscribed.
I went to HM Corps school with Clint. He was a PT stud! We had a SEAL going through HM A school on his way to 18D and him and Clint were good buddies. Clint had a great personal trainer and prep for BUD/S.
@@muzmason3064 S'funny - a long time ago, as a callow 2Lt, I was assigned as a liaison to 42 Cdo RM as part of an exercise. I landed on a Scottish beach in the dark with about 8 SNCOs from 42 (mostly C/Sgts & a few WO2s). Predictably I was left at the back and told to be quiet. We landed at the right hand edge of the beach - then filed up to the dunes, along the beach and then back down the dunes/rocks at the left hand end, to be confronted by the sea we'd just come from. Even I could tell what a 90 deg left turn, followed by another 90 deg left turn would do - but they were all totally confused.
its a good conversation, one of the best parts of it is they learned to have one, they talk and listen, both are quite understandably a bit different being from another nation and don't interrupt just have a skilled conversation
They have their own unique mission set based on regional and climatic conditions in the UK (cold/wet), plus their frequent Arctic training in Norway, jungle operations training in Belize, a lot of underwater and kayak training. They compare better with German Kampfschwimmer, Danish Frømandskorpset, and Norwegian MJK, who are all extremely brutal Maritime SOF units. SEALs are their own unique entity because they don’t recruit from Infantry or Maritime Infantry/Marine units like other Maritime SOF elements primarily do. Royal Marines, Para Regiment, and Ranger Regiment are more like each other than any other units I have worked with-all very squared away, aggressive, and highly competent in SUTs, DA, high OPTEMPO, lots of live fires day/night. Ranger Regiment is hard to beat for conducting DA at night, with constant live-fire iterations specific to airfield seizure, HVT kill/capture, Raids, QRF, Combat Search & Rescue, and other dismounted small unit tactics. SBS historically recruited from Royal Marines, but now is open to all branches through a joint SOF selection and training pipeline. They were basically a Maritime SF unit of the elite Royal Marine Commandos. RM Commandos are better at SUTs, Raids, Ambush, Recon, DA, CSAR, Sniping, etc. than SEALs.
No. As a Briton I get tired of other Britons comparing the RMC to the SEALS. To make that comparison you'd have to know absolutely nothing about either unit. It's not only disrespectful to the US SEALS It's disrespectful to our RM to suggest that. The RMC have their own proud history and don't have to pretend to be something they're not. When you make comparisons like this it let's the side down.
@@vurtigoneiii275 Royal Marine Commandos and US Army Ranger Regiment are far more like each other. SEALs wish they had half the technical and tactical competence of other NATO Frogman units, including SBS. SEALs have a bigger budget, since they’re a recruiting tool for the US Navy.
Yes on the first part. SBS and SEAL Team 6 are equally comparable. But no to the 2nd part. The Royal Marines would be seen as slight a step down from the regular SEAL teams. Royal Marines best comparison is Force Recon in the US Marine Corps.
When I was in the Royal Marines the SBS were only ever Royal Marines - their designation within the Corps was "Swimmer Canoeist". The SC was a branch within the Corps. For the information of the Army Sergeant the SBS never recruited from the Royal Navy and, on a point of history, Op Frankton was carried out by the Royal Marine Boom Patrol Detachment, formed by "Blondie" Hasler specifically for the raid on Bordeaux, it was the forerunner of the SBS like the LRDPG was the forerunner of the SAS.
In WW2 my dad was a Royal Navy gunnery instructor and was SS ..Special Service , swimmer canoeist most of his time was spent in the Mediterranean North Africa and he was based in Alexandria Egypt......he was only 5ft 6inches tall but hard as nails .. He acquired a German Africa Korps Zundapp motorcycle and used to tear about that on his down time....... Once he was the gunner / observer on a Swordfish biplane and attacked an Italian submarine with a torpedo
@@HUMPTYNUGGET during WWII the Special Boat Squadron you're referring to was an Army unit. The RM SBS was formed in 1945 from the RMBPD and only ever recruited from within the Corps until 2003 when selection was opened to other branches of the Armed Forces.
I see this as a false comparison. SBS are a tier 1 black ops unit, of about 300 men. SEALs are a tier 2 unit of about 2000 men. SEAL team 6/ DEVGRU are a tier 1 black ops unit within the SEALS comparable to the SBS with around 250 -300 men. I dont think SEALs are comparable to the Royal marine commandos, but they are comparable to 42 commando. Most SEALs have a claim to fame because of DEVGRU, DEVGU/ Team 6 is an elite force within the SEALs.
Tier 2 seals are directly comparable to the royal marines and the 75th ranger regiment when it comes to small unit application. They are not a major combat force application unit.
Seal team 6/devgru are a t1 unit, equivalent to SBS. Regular seals & USMC Raiders would be royal marine equivalent And as I think you’re trying to say, regular seals seem to ride off devgru’s fame
Royal Marines aren’t comparable to SEALS, not even 42 commando. Seals do mini sub insertions, diving, HALO, HAHO infiltration, reconnaissance etc. whereas RM don’t. The closest thing in comparison to the Royal Marines in my opinion are the recon marines/marine raiders.
The US Air Force has around 5,300 aircraft. The US Navy has around 3,700 aircraft. I remember hearing this "truth" a long time ago when I was in the Army before I joined the Air Force after college. I also remember making the same comment in class when talking about America's "Total Force". I was corrected by the instructor in the Boeing simulator at Joint Base Charleston, that said he heard the same misinformation when he was in high school.
This comment was in reference to the statement that Clint Emerson made, about the US Navy having more planes than the US Air Force. Clint Emerson was incorrect. The Air Force has more planes then the Navy.
SBS and DEV are similar yet very different. On the surface both are experts in maritime counter terrorism but their expertise doesn't stop there at all. The selection process of both units are extremely different. To put in into perspective SBS and SAS prospects go through the same 9-month selection side by side and then only once they get to their squadrons specialized training starts. But both are taught the same SOP's in terms of CQB, RECCE, CT, DA etc. SAS and SBS also recruit from all branches of the military service. So to fully understand the difference, it would be like DEV and CAG go through the exact same selection and training and only later on specialize in their respective fields.
Dean burger- UK selection system is tougher; and man for man have more tools in the box as well. From a psychological, and more loan working… Quote from Devgru ua-cam.com/users/shortsDOT0TsID99U?si=p-0QelYEXawb4iIM
The last point was perfect. as a former service member, I had to work with both British and Aussies military. Great guys to work with and they have a funny sense of humour but more than half the time I don't know what they are saying.
It’s because they truly are silent professionals that don’t talk about what they do. I’ve only come across one book written by a former SBS soldier, "First Into Action”, by Duncan Falconer (surely a pen name). Great book
@@wessexdruid7598 and finally there is the very hush hush....The Increment.....you have to be a serious pain in the ass if you've caught the attention of The Increment. They're also British by the way.
@@maratonlegendelenemirei3352 Walt. I learnt not to believe Chris Ryan after the Bravo Two Zero bollocks. But then my Pl Sgt was Vince Phillips brother...
You're gunna have an extremely bad day if either the US or UK spec ops come knocking on your door, and if they're both teamed up and at your door. God have mercy 😂 🇺🇸🇬🇧
@Hew Jarsols sas didnt create nothing they trained delta years ago which is nothing . Delta transformed into another type of unit. Way better trained and way be equipment and back up. Delta is what sas could never be
I found it rwally interesting in the dichomotomy to war these two men had. The SEAL bloke was all "war, hell yeah" whearas the SBS chap was "yeah, war isn't all that great".
So great to listen to two stalwarts of our special forces, whose patriotism and commitment have served us all so well. May our wonderful alliance continue. Si vis pacem para bellum.
Interesting to see that the American used the word "recce" (pronounced "rekky") which is a British term. Americans normally use the word "recon", although I understand that Delta Force use the British terminology since Charlie Beckwith and Dick Meadows both served with 22 SAS in the 1960s before forming Delta Force. I wonder if the SEALS have inherited that tradition?
The Royal Marines have always prided themselves on their history so it worries me when a Royal can't get the history right on the Cockleshell Heroes - Operation Frankton. It took place in 1942 and the target were merchant ships not German Frigates. He needs to revisit the RM Museum in Eastney Barracks!
Things changed a few years back now it’s now more or less a combined selection now and you can choose which route you want to take either SAS, SBS or SRR
@@alexandersandilands2734 That makes sense. Last time I had any contact with them they were down at Hamworthy. They're still under control of the Admiralty though.
Yes your right 👍much and respect for you man ! I definitely was envious of all the press you were getting! But your so right I completely forgot about Rambo and Chuck Norris ! Too funny that's for keeping it honest and real !
Awesome I've had the same experience when I was in Saudi to visit my Dad... I grow up in Liberia and lived thru 2-3 coup and other unrests. But I always thought it was normal :-)
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Technically SBS are equivalent to DEVGRU/Seal Team 6 in terms of skill and operational capabilities. The standard SEAL teams are probably more equivalent to the Royal Marines Commandos
Yep, true.
The rest of the SEALs ride off DEVGRUs name, when in fact they are not SEAL team 6.
Regular SEALs are not Tier 1.
Then you could say the SAS are like delta aha
@@ifell3 Nope, Delta are like the SAS.
The SAS came first, and the SAS was brought in the build the Delta training and selection programme.
Delta force is modeled on the SAS.
@@hiyorisarugaki1830 I made the statement that you could say that, not for you to say nope then remake the same statement 😅
You're on point about the SBS being equivalent to DEVGRU, but the US military is much larger and the "vanilla" SEAL community is still smaller than the RM Commando community. Both in capabilities and selection, SEALs are superior to RM Commandos. The UK doesn't really have an equivalent.
Thank God we have guys like these professionals. Protecting us on both sides of the pond.🇬🇧🇺🇸
This is Definitely an Underrated Conversation. These two Silent professionals are the best at what they do.
Agreed except for "silent". The Seals used to be silent. Now they are in your face loud.
@@robm321 Facts. Once were silent before certain individuals within the teams ruined it in the GWOT
Ah yes, these two silent professionals talking about their profession on UA-cam and the plethora of books and media they both have directly produced. Very silent
@@robm321 he did make a fair point about how the army started it with rambo & chuck norris
@@V.B.Squire True.
The original SBS were based in and trained from Lumps Fort in Southsea in my home town of Portsmouth, Hampshire, England, the home of the Royal Navy. It's now a flower garden
Great to see 5.11 covering UKSF. 👍🏻
Remembrance day today. Hearing what you are saying about the soft skills we learn in the military, I realise how much confidence I have lost since I left the army. Marching today in the local parade, I suddenly felt part of something again that I have been missing since I retired from the MOB.
Don't those skills and confidence stay with you for life though? And thank you for your service and your courage.
Ah, definitely someone who's been in! When I casually mention 'when I was in the mob' in my social circle, the ex-Army guys know what what I mean & the terminology. Everybody else is like "huh?" 😅
I wouldn't say that confidence stays with you throughout life, no. It doesn't take long being out to realize being a savage at section attacks or being a nav genius doesn't do you much good in the civilian world, and I found for myself that confidence eventually wore off as I realized my skill sets weren't all that useful on civi street.
I think that confidence comes from having that switched on, combat mindset - easier to switch over to when in, becomes challenging when out
My 0.02 cents anyway
"like an officer moving with a map" 🤣 this made my day and I will spread this magical formula here in my french unit of mountain troops it will make them laugh so hard I think 👌🏻 very very nice interview!
French unit take it they will be retreating very very fast 🤫 Scottish Veteran
@@Matt-uj6jm in France we say "retreating as fast as a Scottish in front of an English soldier" 🤣😘
@@u_l_r_i_c In France, they usually say 'thank you' to the Scots and other Brits who liberated them.
@@wessexdruid7598 "dear Santa Claus, for Christmas I'd like a good sense of humor please". Take it easy that was a joke we don't even say that 🤣 Gotta have a good sens of humor if you want to survive in the military, did you left it when you quit? 😘
@@u_l_r_i_c I worked with French military last year from CJEF. They were professional and respectful, not just plain rude.
Thats a impressive way to set the standard for the SBS unit. Crossing the canal in a Klepper with nothing but some resistance intel, and a somewhat reliable radio and small arms then hike across the Pyraneese.
Not to mention continuing your mission and escaping despite having lost 75% of your brothers in arms...
Operation Frankton was actually in December 1942 so a bit earlier than 1944. They were launched from a Royal Navy submarine that brought them as close as possible to the estuary mouth. No radio, and small arms were limited to .45 Colt 1911's and a knife...
It definitely didn't bring the war to an end 6 months earlier either....6 damaged ships isn't going to have that effect..
Truth is, whilst incredibly brave, it highlighted some major issues around co-operation between the services and intelligence agencies. The RN and RM Boom Patrol Detachment (as the SBS were then called) did their job, at great risk and cost....but....it later came to light that the Special Operations Executive actually had agents in Bordeaux at the harbour who could have given them far more accurate intel, but also potentially carried out the operation at far less risk and cost. SOE were very displeased about the raid as the German's got very paranoid and more alert about espionage and sabotage operations in ports as a result. Problem was, due to wartime secrecy (for obvious reasons) no-one was talking to each other, or at least as aware of each other operations as they should be. Ultimately Frankton and Jubilee (the Dieppe raid) led to much greater co-operation and liaison between forces at the higher levels which ultimately bore fruit in the successful operations and invasions later in the war.
@@TooBadJim what happened to the DEA Director (Administrator, actually I think) last year.
What happened to the individual as head of the DEA before Anne Milgram assumed office June 24, 2021.
What happened to Travis Bonnar.
He's 'Christopher Wray'.
FBI Director.
He was ousted.
Just hasn't been publicized yet.
What you know about that particular situation.
Travis Bonnar was mentored by Martin Sheen, by the way.
He's former FBI Director James Comey.
What are your thoughts regarding this matter.
Sir.
@@arieltraasdahl2127 Are you replying to the correct comment?
Those of us that are even some what in the known, have the Greatest respect for SBS! Thanks for highlighting these two units!!👍🇺🇲🇺🇲
Think everyone knows of seals but even as BRITISH only know of SBS as military freak
@@maxcullen3427 we in the UK respect the SBS just as much as the SAS.
@@paulAnthony7236 yes just SAS more out there since Iranian embassy raid as someone said was letting fox into the hen house or something like that was young at time
The only SBS Ops I ever heard of in recent times was the Battle of Qala-I-Jangi in Afghanistan. They were called in to assist in the rescue of CIA agents. As usual, SBS was initially misidentified as SAS but they didn’t bother to correct it.
When I saw that footage of them what sticks out for me is how they were the only ones who were making a strong effort to cover their faces.
@@empire-classfirenationbatt2691 That's because the SBS don't want public recognition when we read headlines about SAS responding to terrorist attacks in the UK,and about other operations I've got no doubt SBS were apart of of those events,like when they were in Manchester,London,Liverpool,and Newcastle SBS were definitely there too since they're also counter terrorism not just maritime but the headlines says it's "SAS" but that's all thanks to the Iranian embassy siege and the media don't know shit,I personally think the SBS are the best of all time cos they're professional in everything sea air and land,truly the best of the best
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Yeah good spot I think if any SAS/SBS get identified they are then severely limited on how/if they can continue to serve
Operation Buckthorn. Happened off the coast here in UK, we didn't know anything about it, until a while after.
Their laughter, camaraderie, and insights makes this a precious and rare gem in the realm of UA-cam videos.
Great insight from two Operators, from an Aussie Veteran, it’s the first conversation between soldiers without swearing I’ve seen, lol
Full respect to every service man and woman.
Full respect to Delta and DEVGRU but the SAS and SBS are the elite fighting force in the world
I had 12 years in the military joining at 16yrs, 44 years later my military skills have made sure I have never had one day out of work and I have served the UK for 43 years and climbed the ladder to command in the Civil Service !! I fully understand this conversation!! Good effort SC !!
Thank you luv.
I had a very similar in timeline career as yourself. I have NEVER been out of work, when I got out I work my way from being on the tools to managing a multi million profit line. Unfortunately due to a poor decision by our CEO to leave one customer (BT) & work for the opposition (Virgin Media) we have all been swallowed up hence me finding myself on the job market. Any jobs going 😉, it would really help me out. Thanks 🙏
I’m 28 and am about to do the same for the same reasons, I want the skills and the mind set that will come with the career.. it’s just picking the role I’m struggling with, part of me wants to join the marines
A facinating conversation. Great to see family chatting together.
I joined the Australian Army in 94. Only a few operations going between that time up until 99 when East Timor began and then it was every man and his dog (If you were a dog handler) was getting deployed in 2001 til 2021. I got out in 2012 and it is amazing how many "Soft skills" you pick up that are an advantage to your new chosen path. The trick for many is to find that new path and I believe accepting a new way to feel fulfilled is a must. The one big advice I have is "Everybody discharges" it might be a short time or it might be a long time in or could end because of other reasons beyond our control so don't pee your money up against the wall, maintain your fitness, watch the civil job market and look into investments ☺
I was in Oecussi in 99-2000, then onto the Solomons in 01 and then Iraq 02-04. Mate we discharge but never truly leave the ADF, as dysfunctional as it was and is, I owe my current life to the lessons learnt in uniform good ad bad. Thanks for your service Dig.
Fantastic advice, and great viewpoints from you both. And something I wish I'd known a few years back, after I got out of the Canadia Forces after 11 years in.
It's so true about leaving the service, but not really such a thing as being ex-military. Always a part of you, and I find vets can somehow pick other vets out of a crowd.
Outstanding interview. As a long-time retired 11B5G4X I believe this was a grossly underrated video. I was impressed that the SEAL knew SF focuses (or should focus) on overthrowing hostile governments as opposed to exclusively DA or reconnaissance. There is a LOT of wisdom from these two!
My great grandad was in the sbs as a chief engineer. He told me stories about his training in the arctic circle and in the jungle and in the desert but he can’t tell me about the real action. He is still alive and he is very young (for a great grandad) at an age of 82. He now has a huge motor home, a house in the uk (where he lives), a house in France and a house in the philippines.
The SBS don’t have “chief engineers”
@@atae7185SBS and SAS…. the biggest regiments in the world🤣
@@mattcorkindale8168 that’s because everyone’s been in them, but they can’t tell you, because then they’d have to kill you!😂😂😂
The toy you mentioned is “Action Man”. I’m in Australia but my Aunty sent me a full set when I was younger. Came with inflatable boat, black combats, MP5, explosives, the whole kit. They’re awesome. Probably worth a bit now if I still had it!!
Was looking to see if someone had mentioned that it was Action Man
Fits nicely with the need today for muscle and steroids!
GI Joe in the US. The figure itself was identical to Action Man but AM got different kit.
Every boy had an Action Man in the 80s. I absolutely took mine everywhere
Action Man with Eagle Eyes!
Got to love a shakey having a bit of a dig at the SAS 🤣
These two heroes, ARE part of Teams that will never Fight each other, They will always be Allies, Both are highly trained, to eliminate a problem.
That tap on the SBS guy's chest near the end hit rock!!
Back in the early 1990's, I knew 2 of the SBS guys who, at different times, were liaison to the US Navy Seals, in California (think it was a 2 year rotation). Really nice guys.
I'd just like to state that IMO Mr. Stott did a fantastic job representing the SBS in this production and I admire both of your dedication. Semper Fi.
These guys are great! Humble. Honest. Humorous. So much sense in what they say. Brilliant insights into special service. Very recruit in any Army should watch this conversation.
Such a sensible discourse reflecting the intelligence and motivation needed for Tier 1 ops.
You can walk of the street and try to be a seal but in the SAS SBS you have to have served for 2/3 years in the military so that helps with skill sets
You don’t really have to have that much years of experience in the military to be able to join the SAS/SBS, you just have to be at a level where the people in charge of you think your good. Enough. You can join and pass out in the military at 23 and apply for SF selection after 1 if you wanted to but that usually doesn’t happen because you’ll obviously want to gain more experience.
@@dylanjohns8409most of the people in the sas and sbs are from the paras and Royal marines who are very high level regiments in its self
@@dylanjohns8409no OC/RSM is gonna let you go to UKSF selection with 1 year in the military.
You can join from the reserves straight from the street then apply to the full time force from there
When the yank says we are the best, Dean just grins..
A SBS swimmer canoest will wipe the floor with a seal any day and every day..
Depends on the SEAL, depends on the day.
When it comes to these guys any attempt to make a comparison based on broad generalizations is just a complete waste of time & effort.
There is no way to quantify skills & performance accurately nor any known standard to qualify any judgement of such things.
@@justintodd9165I agree 100% the constant back and forth you always see seems totally pointless to me / apart from the fact that wales is absolutely brutal to train in 😂
Love the “Slightly Better Soldier”.😂😂👍👍
Loved this video. Shed a bit of light on SOF for me. I've been thinking about joining the SEALs for sometime now so this video is much appreciated.
You mean selected
@@bishopofsahs yeah my bad but I believe you got what I meant
Sorry but operation Franklin was the royal marines boom patrol. The sbs was a section of 8 commando formed by Roger courtney before the sas.
Yes!!
until the 1980s SBS were royal marines, and still had one foot in the Royal Marine door until about 15 years ago, when the link was severed and SBS became independent of the RM and integrated with the SAS under UKSF command.
i think it wasn't until 2003 when the SBS were given their own cap badge and started recruiting from outside just the RM.
SBS has morphed into something much more like the SAS, from 40 years ago when the it was the Special Boat Squadron of the Royal Marines.
Whereas the SAS was its own thing from day 1, SBS only finished becoming its own thing 20 years ago.
in the Falklands war, the SBS was still under the RM command, SBS swimmer canoeists were still Royal Marines themselves.
Sounds like SBS and SAS are too similar today give SBS back to the RMs
@@paulmcgee1867 There isnt any point in doing that, the SBS needed to change, it was for the better. Right now the SBS are going more back to the routes and the SAS as well.
Listening what you said about the soft skills we acquire and develop in the military. This carries you massively in civvy street. The ability to express yourself with confidence and the ability to respond and react to changes in situation is second nature, I have found that I do it without thinking both at home and at work.
All the soft skills you acquire is something you tend to take for granted, until you find you are making use of it.
It is a precious skill which I have found not to be a perishable skill, it is always lurking their in the background. It is probably why I have such a positive outlook in the face of adversity,
I hear about a lot of ex-service men and women struggling in civvy street. It is a shame that there is not a dedicated programme that helps you transfer your skills. I touched on in one of my resettlement courses. Unfortunately it does not seem to resonate in all ex-service personnel which is a shame.
"silent sisters" lol regardless, this long overdue conversation is amazing. thank you
That was one of the best interviews to date and very enjoyable. Thanks for sharing
For a lot of us US Mil guys they didnt know about the SBS until that funker530 video came out with SBS and USMC guys on a rooftop in a firefight together. Great info. Subscribed.
Guy was from SFSG.
@@Tyroniusmaximus92probably para
I went to HM Corps school with Clint. He was a PT stud! We had a SEAL going through HM A school on his way to 18D and him and Clint were good buddies. Clint had a great personal trainer and prep for BUD/S.
Thank you for this. The bit about serving and not experiencing combat hit home hard.
Really cool discussion and as a former para the quote about the Officer with a map really struck a cord.
It’s good to know that no matter where you are, some things never change. 😂😂😂🇬🇧♥️🇺🇸
A Rupert with a compass very dangerous 🤔 😆 🤣
@@muzmason3064 S'funny - a long time ago, as a callow 2Lt, I was assigned as a liaison to 42 Cdo RM as part of an exercise. I landed on a Scottish beach in the dark with about 8 SNCOs from 42 (mostly C/Sgts & a few WO2s). Predictably I was left at the back and told to be quiet. We landed at the right hand edge of the beach - then filed up to the dunes, along the beach and then back down the dunes/rocks at the left hand end, to be confronted by the sea we'd just come from. Even I could tell what a 90 deg left turn, followed by another 90 deg left turn would do - but they were all totally confused.
This is great both experts and both humble nice guys really enjoyable watch credit to SBS AND SEALS.
We're lucky in the free world to have men like these who risk their lives to make our's safer
Always good to listen to Dean Stott👍 top bloke, top operator👊🏼
Action man mate, just for reference 😂
its a good conversation, one of the best parts of it is they learned to have one, they talk and listen, both are quite understandably a bit different being from another nation and don't interrupt just have a skilled conversation
Chicken with a head off AKA an officer with a map - LOL.
Dean’s cycling world record after his leg injury is phenomenal
i could listen to these guys all day long
The two way conversations are defo better than the interviews 👍
I did 12 years in the Royal Marines and left after Afghan stopped because it became so boring, they hit the nail on the head there!
Isn’t the SBS closer in profile to ST6 and the Regular Seals closer in profile to the UK Royal Marines?
yes, but a navy seal is best
They have their own unique mission set based on regional and climatic conditions in the UK (cold/wet), plus their frequent Arctic training in Norway, jungle operations training in Belize, a lot of underwater and kayak training. They compare better with German Kampfschwimmer, Danish Frømandskorpset, and Norwegian MJK, who are all extremely brutal Maritime SOF units.
SEALs are their own unique entity because they don’t recruit from Infantry or Maritime Infantry/Marine units like other Maritime SOF elements primarily do.
Royal Marines, Para Regiment, and Ranger Regiment are more like each other than any other units I have worked with-all very squared away, aggressive, and highly competent in SUTs, DA, high OPTEMPO, lots of live fires day/night. Ranger Regiment is hard to beat for conducting DA at night, with constant live-fire iterations specific to airfield seizure, HVT kill/capture, Raids, QRF, Combat Search & Rescue, and other dismounted small unit tactics.
SBS historically recruited from Royal Marines, but now is open to all branches through a joint SOF selection and training pipeline. They were basically a Maritime SF unit of the elite Royal Marine Commandos. RM Commandos are better at SUTs, Raids, Ambush, Recon, DA, CSAR, Sniping, etc. than SEALs.
No. As a Briton I get tired of other Britons comparing the RMC to the SEALS. To make that comparison you'd have to know absolutely nothing about either unit. It's not only disrespectful to the US SEALS It's disrespectful to our RM to suggest that. The RMC have their own proud history and don't have to pretend to be something they're not. When you make comparisons like this it let's the side down.
@@vurtigoneiii275 Royal Marine Commandos and US Army Ranger Regiment are far more like each other. SEALs wish they had half the technical and tactical competence of other NATO Frogman units, including SBS. SEALs have a bigger budget, since they’re a recruiting tool for the US Navy.
Yes on the first part. SBS and SEAL Team 6 are equally comparable. But no to the 2nd part. The Royal Marines would be seen as slight a step down from the regular SEAL teams. Royal Marines best comparison is Force Recon in the US Marine Corps.
This is such a good video because I hear so much about the SAS but the SBS you don’t really hear much and it’s kind of a shame sometimes
Thats because they don't want you to know about them
@@rickycassidy yeah I guess
Because the SBS is probably the most secret SF not much is actually known about them.
Things are more relaxed now, so there are plenty of books about the SBS.
@@Sidney1WG Still dosen't tell you anything about them
When I was in the Royal Marines the SBS were only ever Royal Marines - their designation within the Corps was "Swimmer Canoeist". The SC was a branch within the Corps. For the information of the Army Sergeant the SBS never recruited from the Royal Navy and, on a point of history, Op Frankton was carried out by the Royal Marine Boom Patrol Detachment, formed by "Blondie" Hasler specifically for the raid on Bordeaux, it was the forerunner of the SBS like the LRDPG was the forerunner of the SAS.
In WW2 my dad was a Royal Navy gunnery instructor and was SS ..Special Service , swimmer canoeist most of his time was spent in the Mediterranean North Africa and he was based in Alexandria Egypt......he was only 5ft 6inches tall but hard as nails ..
He acquired a German Africa Korps Zundapp motorcycle and used to tear about that on his down time.......
Once he was the gunner / observer on a Swordfish biplane and attacked an Italian submarine with a torpedo
@@HUMPTYNUGGET during WWII the Special Boat Squadron you're referring to was an Army unit. The RM SBS was formed in 1945 from the RMBPD and only ever recruited from within the Corps until 2003 when selection was opened to other branches of the Armed Forces.
@@williambelford9661 3rd Special Service Brigade formed in 1943 , he was involved in the Sicily landings ........
Great to hear from the SBS
Still don't know why SAS/SBS is compared to SEALS. Delta is more appropriate, especially when you compare the selection training and mindset.
Yet they still conduct alot of the same missions. DevGru and delta are the counterparts to SBS/SAS
great discussion, thank you for sharing...and for your service.
Great interview..did my time as a Bootneck….great times..especially in Singapore…
I see this as a false comparison.
SBS are a tier 1 black ops unit, of about 300 men.
SEALs are a tier 2 unit of about 2000 men.
SEAL team 6/ DEVGRU are a tier 1 black ops unit within the SEALS comparable to the SBS with around 250 -300 men.
I dont think SEALs are comparable to the Royal marine commandos, but they are comparable to 42 commando.
Most SEALs have a claim to fame because of DEVGRU, DEVGU/ Team 6 is an elite force within the SEALs.
Tier 2 seals are directly comparable to the royal marines and the 75th ranger regiment when it comes to small unit application. They are not a major combat force application unit.
Seal team 6/devgru are a t1 unit, equivalent to SBS.
Regular seals & USMC Raiders would be royal marine equivalent
And as I think you’re trying to say, regular seals seem to ride off devgru’s fame
Royal Marines aren’t comparable to SEALS, not even 42 commando. Seals do mini sub insertions, diving, HALO, HAHO infiltration, reconnaissance etc. whereas RM don’t. The closest thing in comparison to the Royal Marines in my opinion are the recon marines/marine raiders.
No comparison SBS every time Scottish Veteran 🏴👍
And I believe that a high majority of the men are of Scottish heritage, including SAS. Tough breed up north!
@@JJ-ef7lb no they’re all from there own back grounds just cause Sterling was Scottish, some of the best SAS men come from England
Just finished a good book about ww2 british swimmer/canoeists, those guys are proper legends.
24:00 he’s referring to Action Man figures with the movable eyes… I had several 😂
“Officer with a map” 😂
The US Air Force has around 5,300 aircraft. The US Navy has around 3,700 aircraft. I remember hearing this "truth" a long time ago when I was in the Army before I joined the Air Force after college. I also remember making the same comment in class when talking about America's "Total Force". I was corrected by the instructor in the Boeing simulator at Joint Base Charleston, that said he heard the same misinformation when he was in high school.
This comment was in reference to the statement that Clint Emerson made, about the US Navy having more planes than the US Air Force. Clint Emerson was incorrect. The Air Force has more planes then the Navy.
SBS and DEV are similar yet very different. On the surface both are experts in maritime counter terrorism but their expertise doesn't stop there at all. The selection process of both units are extremely different. To put in into perspective SBS and SAS prospects go through the same 9-month selection side by side and then only once they get to their squadrons specialized training starts. But both are taught the same SOP's in terms of CQB, RECCE, CT, DA etc. SAS and SBS also recruit from all branches of the military service. So to fully understand the difference, it would be like DEV and CAG go through the exact same selection and training and only later on specialize in their respective fields.
Dean burger- UK selection system is tougher; and man for man have more tools in the box as well. From a psychological, and more loan working…
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@@neobliviscarisa650 completely agree!
Awesome discussion guys, would be good to get some more content from you guys about various situations going on right now globally.
Nice how humble they both are. Cool interview.
You see the last 5 mins, the seals guy is a tool
So glad I stumbled on this chat ... so interesting and no chest beating either
The last point was perfect. as a former service member, I had to work with both British and Aussies military. Great guys to work with and they have a funny sense of humour but more than half the time I don't know what they are saying.
Love these guys, thanks for uploading👍🏻
SBS guy has huge arms.
At the end of the day, all of these SF are good. They’re well trained and know what they’re doing.
Fantastic guys need more of this 👏
Excellent chat guys.
Very interesting.
More of this!!!!!
Best show I've watched, would love to see more brilliant 👌
Didn’t even know the SBS existed until 20 minutes ago. Very interesting stuff.
It’s because they truly are silent professionals that don’t talk about what they do. I’ve only come across one book written by a former SBS soldier, "First Into Action”, by Duncan Falconer (surely a pen name). Great book
That’s how they like it I think, not being known.
And then there is the SRR, the even quieter, less spoken about UKSF.
@@wessexdruid7598 and finally there is the very hush hush....The Increment.....you have to be a serious pain in the ass if you've caught the attention of The Increment. They're also British by the way.
@@maratonlegendelenemirei3352 Walt.
I learnt not to believe Chris Ryan after the Bravo Two Zero bollocks. But then my Pl Sgt was Vince Phillips brother...
Did he honestly say Seals are the best?? Bless him
Yes , That's American Humour.
You're gunna have an extremely bad day if either the US or UK spec ops come knocking on your door, and if they're both teamed up and at your door. God have mercy 😂 🇺🇸🇬🇧
They don't knock politely, either!! And only say "Knock, Knock" AFTER they've entered and taken care of the situation!! 😊
Running around like an officer with a map. 🤣
Clearly the SBS is the best maritime special forces out there.
And what's next? SAS vs DELTA?
I hope so that would be awesome
@@maxcady645 : You're not the onliest.
Delta wins
@@RR-ty6zz : I think so too.
@Hew Jarsols sas didnt create nothing they trained delta years ago which is nothing . Delta transformed into another type of unit. Way better trained and way be equipment and back up. Delta is what sas could never be
I found it rwally interesting in the dichomotomy to war these two men had. The SEAL bloke was all "war, hell yeah" whearas the SBS chap was "yeah, war isn't all that great".
Worked with grom from poland in irak and afgan very good team
Great Video, really interesting insights. Thank You
Stay well gentlemen 🤘🕊
I read Duncan Falconer's book "First into Action" Great Read.
SAS recruits are mainly Army/Paratroopers while SBS recruits are mostly Marines
Yeah that’s mostly because they want to stay loyal to the navy so marine’s will go to SBS and vice versa but you can join either one.
Nice talk and very interresting 😊
Loved the conversation and insight, but I'm not sure the American is half as chilled and settled as the Brit.
His Dad tale...yeah.
Great chat. Top blokes. I've got Clint's book. It's brilliant.
Awesome insight thanks both
Absolutely love this!
Please make more
Of these. Perhaps showing shooting and hand to hand.
So great to listen to two stalwarts of our special forces, whose patriotism and commitment have served us all so well. May our wonderful alliance continue. Si vis pacem para bellum.
Interesting to see that the American used the word "recce" (pronounced "rekky") which is a British term. Americans normally use the word "recon", although I understand that Delta Force use the British terminology since Charlie Beckwith and Dick Meadows both served with 22 SAS in the 1960s before forming Delta Force. I wonder if the SEALS have inherited that tradition?
We had a recce platoon when I was in 1st Ranger Bn. As you said, I believe the term came from working with the SAS.
I watch a channel with an ex-US Marine Recon dude in there and he uses recce a lot.
The Royal Marines have always prided themselves on their history so it worries me when a Royal can't get the history right on the Cockleshell Heroes - Operation Frankton. It took place in 1942 and the target were merchant ships not German Frigates. He needs to revisit the RM Museum in Eastney Barracks!
He did say he was a sgt in the army before going SBS
@@alexandersandilands2734 This is unusual. He would have to have done the All Arms Commando Course before being accepted into the SBS.
@@alexandersandilands2734 check out. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Boat_Service
Things changed a few years back now it’s now more or less a combined selection now and you can choose which route you want to take either SAS, SBS or SRR
@@alexandersandilands2734 That makes sense. Last time I had any contact with them they were down at Hamworthy. They're still under control of the Admiralty though.
Top of the food chain these two
Yes your right 👍much and respect for you man ! I definitely was envious of all the press you were getting! But your so right I completely forgot about Rambo and Chuck Norris ! Too funny that's for keeping it honest and real !
Super.... Army..... Soldiers
They are called 'Action Man'.
Awesome I've had the same experience when I was in Saudi to visit my Dad... I grow up in Liberia and lived thru 2-3 coup and other unrests. But I always thought it was normal :-)
First time I’ve ever known anybody state the numbers in the SAS and SBS… I thought that was classified info? That said, really interesting guys!
I can listen to this shit for hours