Baffled at the turn around time on this one!! This is wicked. Well explained and easy to understand as are all of your educational vids. My whole UA-cam feed is full of tree work, and I can honestly say you’re top 3 on the list for safe, effective and informative content. And on top of that, an excellent climber. Very underrated UA-cam channel imho. But let’s make sure you get the recognition you deserve. Keep kicking ass and making stumps!
Wow man, that's mighty kind of you to say those things, I super appreciate it. It's my primary goal to promote safe work. So many people learn so much from youtube and I just make sure they have access to good information.
Haha, I haven't forgotten about it! I've been in CDL school for a few weeks amd stoll have a week to go. I'm also waiting on a new product to be released because I think I can make it better, and I want to film the best version I can.
Thanks! It's easily forgotten. Another subscriber reminded me about it in the last video and I wanted to make sure the information got out to everyone.
@@zaccheus I'm a self-taught climber, amateur. I watched over 200 videos before I started climbing. One topic I need help with is what size stems are safe to climb and rig? Also, I started SRT climbing a year ago, and there were very few good videos on how to ascend. I'm ascending incorrectly, as it is taking way too much arm strength To be candid. . . I get the impression that you're not super experienced, like August Hincke, Billy Ray, etc. And, I wonder if you fully understand some of the safety issues, like with dying ash. However, you are exceptional at explaining things clearly-- among the best. And, in areas where you're learning and make mistakes, you have the humility and conscientiousness to correct yourself. Best wishes, and I'm looking forward to seeing your other videos. Thanks
@jimisnotunique On the matter of stem size, there are a lot of variables to every scenario, which is why no one can offer a straight and simple answer. The only real repeatable situation is excurrent evergreen trees with one stem. I've successfully climbed a few different species high enough to be able to wrap my hand around the stem and have my fingers touch my thumb where I made the topping cut. On those trees, the top had to be small enough that I could cut it with one hand and hold it with the other so I could throw it down into a small drop zone. I would never recommend this, but it can be done. Your observation is correct. Both of those men have been working longer than I have been alive. They have more experience than I do, and I can not do what they do with big trees out west because I have no experience in that genre of the industry. I work in the midwest with lots of hardwoods with different structures and very different fiber characteristics. I'm not sure what you mean by your mention of dead ash. I don't think I have any videos climbing dead ash. I pretty much avoid climbing dead ash as most of them are so far gone now that few are safe to climb. August has videos of climbing some of the riskiest trees trees I've ever seen. In all reality, someone of his videos have given me the courage to climb a few of the dead trees that I have. Thank you for your kind words, it is very encouraging to hear that my explanations have been helpful. My main goal with video production is to offer helpful information to those in search of it. I don't know all of the things and I never will, but I hope to share the things that have been shared with me. I also hope that those who know more than I will aid in correcting me when I distribute ute incorrect information.
@@zaccheus, great stuff In fairness, I've just watched 2 of your videos, so my generalizations are from a small sample size. One of the videos was about "a declining ash", which I assumed meant "a dying ash". Good point about no single guideline for the size of stems that are safe to climb. I can picture a set of videos on the size of stems that can be safely climbed or used for rigging, e.g., based on tree species, tree health, etc. Also, videos on general principles for determining if a stem is safe to climb-on or use for rigging, e.g., can a 5" diameter top be rigged from a smaller-diameter stem on an adjacent tree (e.g., 4")?, etc. Anyway, just a wish list for videos. Thanks,
@jimisnotunique Thank you for sharing your wishlist. I like those ideas. I'll keep them in mind for future video opportunities. Ahhh, I forgot about that video 😅 I've made too many I guess. You were correct in your assumption about terminology. The tree was declining to death. A safe of decline can look like a variety of things. Some trees will spend half of their natural life in decline. Trees have a life span kinda like people. They grow fast when they are young, they mature to their strongest and then they spend the rest of their life in decline until they die. All that's aside, the tree I climbed was still alive, it showed some signs of decline in the canopy, likely due to the ash borer. Dead wood isn't inherently unsafe. We live in houses built out of dead wood. Decay is the real culprit. As I recall, that tree didn't have an unsafe amount of decay in it, but it's been awhile since I've seen it.
outstanding young man!!! I see so many people use this technique and swing way to much weight of the system. The forces can really add up quickly. Awesome Job!!
Thanks! It's easy to get really high forces when multiplication becomes a part of it. Same thing goes for highlining and low angle crane slings. All of a sudden a 700lb piece can weigh 2,100lb 😅
You did a storm damaged maple 🍁 limb in the snow one time ..this is what i recommend..i believe it was quite some time ago...but i learned it from climving arborist...i used 70 kilonewton..screw biner..have got to get one of those pulleyss...
@@wildlifewarrior2670 Haha, I'd love to. I'm far from experienced or knowledgeable enough to offer any kind of complete education. However, I'm definitely happy to share what I learn as I go. Learning together is the best way I think.
Hey man, your video is really cleared things up for me a lot but I’m still new to climbing and rigging so I appreciate your videos. Just wanna let you know. I just bought the new pro Weaver saddle 194 so I’ve been practicing a little bit. did a couple small jobs, but I’m stilllearning to have to trust the hardest part only thing I don’t have a pair of spikes a pair of spikes, but they were pretty decent. They’re just kind of uncomfortable.
That's great man! Learning to trust the gear is something everyone goes through. It comes with time and practice and working just a little bit outside of your comfort zone. Spikes are a hard thing to get figured out. They're so expensive and that makes it hard to try different configurations. I've found the edelrid talons to be the most comfortable spikes I've tried so far. I've also heard people say that they didn't work well for them 🤷♂️
I’ve had the exact opposite experience with the double bowline and the butterfly. Never had a butterfly I couldn’t easily break but had a double bowline lock up so hard (used to tie to the hook on my truck to pull a bush out) that I had to cut it off. If you put a stick or rod under the loop, that seems to help. Great vid.
That's mighty interesting. To be clear, there is a lot of difference between a double bowline and and bowline on a bight. I've had a bad butterfly only when pulling with a machine or pickup truck. It's was in 5/8 stable braid so Mayne the rope had something to do with it too 🤷♂️
awesome video👌 great content. I used a remote rigging point to lift a medium sized locust out of another tree or was catching on so we could fell it and boy did it load that remote rigging point, I bent one of my steel carabiners 😬 the friction in the crotch wasn’t providing much reduction in the MA. And the angle of deflection on the pulling rope was actually pretty decent until it came loose haha. Definitely important to add up your mechanical advantage and limit dynamic movement especially when doing big rigging or using equipment to pull! One other thought- I wonder if the zepplin loop would be a good knot for attaching a rigging pulley to the one of a line as far as it’s ease of untying.. I want to try that one for it sometime
Oh wow, thanks for sharing that! I've kind of always wondered if the friction got to be more or less significant with heavy loading. I always assumed more. I've also never heard of that knot, I'll have to look that up.
@Joe Newton haha, not at all. Ot certainly made me think pretty hard for a minute there about how that would work. I'm not willing ti say it's impossible, but it might be pretty tricky and prone to getting stuck 😅
Hi, thanks for the good tip! Does that bowline in a bite knot also work, for example, in the middle of the rope as a pull point for the pulley? The butterfly knot really tightens with a big load.
Yeah, it ahluod work good for that. I use it to connect a pulling system to a long rope for pulling trees over and such. It always easy to get out. The only thing you can't do is load the rop across the knot. That'll make a mess of it. It's important to keep the load in those loops.
@@zaccheus Great thanks! Both loops of the knot must probably be connected to the draw point or is only one loop enough? (the hook of the pulley may not fit both loops, but I can put a carabiner in between.)
@Härmä Forest It's important to load both loops. If you only load one, there is a chance the other loop will get pulled up into the knot and make a mess.
I am an old man, and I appreciate your overall attitude a LOT. But DAMMIT ZAC!!! IF YOU SAY "BOH-LINE" one more time....I'm going to stomp on my phone.....
I see a lot of folks do that. It feels like there is more risk than benefit there for me, but everyone has a different approach and there is nothing wrong with that I don't think.
Great simple explanation. However I’m not sure I fully understand the science behind the 4 x the weight on the rigging point. I do however agree with you about the doubling of the weight when going thru a block. You maybe right, I just can’t understand how that would work.
Sure thing, just imagine the crotch that the big rope runs through is a block as well. For all the force put on the rope by the block, there has to be an equal amount of force on the base anchor to hold thay block up there. There is some friction in that crotch so it's not going to be truly 4 times the amount of force of the load, but it could get pretty close I think.
You did a storm broken maple limb in the snow..this technique is what I would've done instead of climbing..then cutt the weight off broken limb .forgot to comment you asked for opinion s on that video..
Yeah, someone mentioned this method in comments on that video. I guess I don't understand the value of it though becaise I'd still have had to climb to make the cuts. Mayne there is more to it that I'm not seeing though? 🤷♂️
Haha, no problem. I don't want anyone to feel guilty about it. It just help the video do well. Im hoping to buy some microphones to help improve sound quality and reduce wide noise. I need a couple videos to do good so I can buy them 😅
@@zaccheus yeah buddy I'm going to go back and hit like on every video because everybody know you do I like I just don't know why I always forget on everybody's I always forget but I'm going to do better
@@br-dj2ti I'm glad to hear it! It can be real handy in the right scenario. It's a little pricey, but you ought to take a look at the tenex with rings on it that I have linked in the description. I think it's something you'd like. 100ft of rope with double rings spiced on the end. It's made for this technique specifically 👌
@@zaccheus - No way man!🤣🤣 The USN is the rule to go by. This is akin to Obama calling a Navy Corpsman a "Corpse-man"...or a Bossun's Mate a "Boat-Swanes" Mate...😂😂
I'm all about hitting that thumbs up for a guy showing others, how to install and retrieve rigging high up in a tree👍😁
Haha, thanks Dale!
Baffled at the turn around time on this one!! This is wicked. Well explained and easy to understand as are all of your educational vids. My whole UA-cam feed is full of tree work, and I can honestly say you’re top 3 on the list for safe, effective and informative content. And on top of that, an excellent climber. Very underrated UA-cam channel imho. But let’s make sure you get the recognition you deserve. Keep kicking ass and making stumps!
Wow man, that's mighty kind of you to say those things, I super appreciate it. It's my primary goal to promote safe work. So many people learn so much from youtube and I just make sure they have access to good information.
Great video as always, simple and straightforward advice 👍
Thanks!
Very good video ! Your explanation is on point !
Thanks Eric!
My new favorite video! Awesome demonstration cant wait to try it for myself
Haha, glad to hear it!
Very helpful tip, thanks for posting
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video! Very helpful
Glad to hear it!
Good stuff, thank you!
Extremely helpful..Learning something new. Thanks.
Glad to hear it!
Now we need the akimbo foot ascender video!
Haha, I haven't forgotten about it! I've been in CDL school for a few weeks amd stoll have a week to go. I'm also waiting on a new product to be released because I think I can make it better, and I want to film the best version I can.
You do a good job explaining why stuff needs to be the way it is
Thanks man!
Awesome video brother
Thanks Todd!
Good stuff. Your good with hardware and software!
Hahaha not in the way that one would think after reading that comment out of context 😂
Great video
Thanks!
I like that shackle trick I normally just wrap like crazy but your method seems more efficient!
Haha, I've definitely played the wrap game before too. Typically it just makes whoever has to unwrap it angry 😅
Good tech video 👍 🇨🇦🇺🇸
Good job hitting on the forces it applies at the rigging point. Trigonometry for the tree worker at its finest.
Thanks! It's easily forgotten. Another subscriber reminded me about it in the last video and I wanted to make sure the information got out to everyone.
Wow, you're a great teacher. Thanks
Thanks Jim! I'm encourage by that feedback. Do you have any ideas on what else I should share about in the tree care industry?
@@zaccheus
I'm a self-taught climber, amateur.
I watched over 200 videos before I started climbing.
One topic I need help with is what size stems are safe to climb and rig?
Also, I started SRT climbing a year ago,
and there were very few good videos on how to ascend.
I'm ascending incorrectly, as it is taking way too much arm strength
To be candid. . .
I get the impression that you're not super experienced, like August Hincke, Billy Ray, etc.
And, I wonder if you fully understand some of the safety issues, like with dying ash.
However, you are exceptional at explaining things clearly-- among the best.
And, in areas where you're learning and make mistakes, you have the humility and conscientiousness to correct yourself.
Best wishes, and I'm looking forward to seeing your other videos.
Thanks
@jimisnotunique On the matter of stem size, there are a lot of variables to every scenario, which is why no one can offer a straight and simple answer. The only real repeatable situation is excurrent evergreen trees with one stem. I've successfully climbed a few different species high enough to be able to wrap my hand around the stem and have my fingers touch my thumb where I made the topping cut. On those trees, the top had to be small enough that I could cut it with one hand and hold it with the other so I could throw it down into a small drop zone. I would never recommend this, but it can be done.
Your observation is correct. Both of those men have been working longer than I have been alive. They have more experience than I do, and I can not do what they do with big trees out west because I have no experience in that genre of the industry. I work in the midwest with lots of hardwoods with different structures and very different fiber characteristics.
I'm not sure what you mean by your mention of dead ash. I don't think I have any videos climbing dead ash. I pretty much avoid climbing dead ash as most of them are so far gone now that few are safe to climb. August has videos of climbing some of the riskiest trees trees I've ever seen. In all reality, someone of his videos have given me the courage to climb a few of the dead trees that I have.
Thank you for your kind words, it is very encouraging to hear that my explanations have been helpful. My main goal with video production is to offer helpful information to those in search of it. I don't know all of the things and I never will, but I hope to share the things that have been shared with me. I also hope that those who know more than I will aid in correcting me when I distribute ute incorrect information.
@@zaccheus, great stuff
In fairness, I've just watched 2 of your videos, so my generalizations are from a small sample size.
One of the videos was about "a declining ash", which I assumed meant "a dying ash".
Good point about no single guideline for the size of stems that are safe to climb.
I can picture a set of videos on the size of stems that can be safely climbed or used for rigging, e.g., based on tree species, tree health, etc.
Also, videos on general principles for determining if a stem is safe to climb-on or use for rigging,
e.g., can a 5" diameter top be rigged from a smaller-diameter stem on an adjacent tree (e.g., 4")?, etc.
Anyway, just a wish list for videos.
Thanks,
@jimisnotunique Thank you for sharing your wishlist. I like those ideas. I'll keep them in mind for future video opportunities.
Ahhh, I forgot about that video 😅 I've made too many I guess. You were correct in your assumption about terminology. The tree was declining to death. A safe of decline can look like a variety of things. Some trees will spend half of their natural life in decline. Trees have a life span kinda like people. They grow fast when they are young, they mature to their strongest and then they spend the rest of their life in decline until they die. All that's aside, the tree I climbed was still alive, it showed some signs of decline in the canopy, likely due to the ash borer.
Dead wood isn't inherently unsafe. We live in houses built out of dead wood. Decay is the real culprit. As I recall, that tree didn't have an unsafe amount of decay in it, but it's been awhile since I've seen it.
Great video, good stuff mate
Thanks!
outstanding young man!!! I see so many people use this technique and swing way to much weight of the system. The forces can really add up quickly. Awesome Job!!
Thanks! It's easy to get really high forces when multiplication becomes a part of it. Same thing goes for highlining and low angle crane slings. All of a sudden a 700lb piece can weigh 2,100lb 😅
You did a storm damaged maple 🍁 limb in the snow one time ..this is what i recommend..i believe it was quite some time ago...but i learned it from climving arborist...i used 70 kilonewton..screw biner..have got to get one of those pulleyss...
Oh yeah, I remember your comment on that. It was definitely an option I was familiar with and I appreciated your input on that.
If I enrolled in tree school, I would want you to be my instructor! You are excellent at explaining stuff and having the video is great! Thank you!
Haha thanks Art! That's quite an honor to hear you say that
you should start up your own tree school
@@wildlifewarrior2670 Haha, I'd love to. I'm far from experienced or knowledgeable enough to offer any kind of complete education. However, I'm definitely happy to share what I learn as I go. Learning together is the best way I think.
Thank you:)
Welcome!
Hey man, your video is really cleared things up for me a lot but I’m still new to climbing and rigging so I appreciate your videos. Just wanna let you know. I just bought the new pro Weaver saddle 194 so I’ve been practicing a little bit. did a couple small jobs, but I’m stilllearning to have to trust the hardest part only thing I don’t have a pair of spikes a pair of spikes, but they were pretty decent. They’re just kind of uncomfortable.
That's great man! Learning to trust the gear is something everyone goes through. It comes with time and practice and working just a little bit outside of your comfort zone.
Spikes are a hard thing to get figured out. They're so expensive and that makes it hard to try different configurations. I've found the edelrid talons to be the most comfortable spikes I've tried so far. I've also heard people say that they didn't work well for them 🤷♂️
I’ve had the exact opposite experience with the double bowline and the butterfly. Never had a butterfly I couldn’t easily break but had a double bowline lock up so hard (used to tie to the hook on my truck to pull a bush out) that I had to cut it off. If you put a stick or rod under the loop, that seems to help. Great vid.
That's mighty interesting. To be clear, there is a lot of difference between a double bowline and and bowline on a bight. I've had a bad butterfly only when pulling with a machine or pickup truck. It's was in 5/8 stable braid so Mayne the rope had something to do with it too 🤷♂️
Nice let's go
awesome video👌 great content. I used a remote rigging point to lift a medium sized locust out of another tree or was catching on so we could fell it and boy did it load that remote rigging point, I bent one of my steel carabiners 😬 the friction in the crotch wasn’t providing much reduction in the MA. And the angle of deflection on the pulling rope was actually pretty decent until it came loose haha. Definitely important to add up your mechanical advantage and limit dynamic movement especially when doing big rigging or using equipment to pull! One other thought- I wonder if the zepplin loop would be a good knot for attaching a rigging pulley to the one of a line as far as it’s ease of untying.. I want to try that one for it sometime
Oh wow, thanks for sharing that! I've kind of always wondered if the friction got to be more or less significant with heavy loading. I always assumed more. I've also never heard of that knot, I'll have to look that up.
Excellent material. Thanks for posting!
Here's a comment and a like. Been subbd...
Thanks man, super appreciate it!
If you can isolate the limb you can also set up a retrievable cinching system pretty easily, but you'll need a rope 3x the height of the pulley.
I'm having a hard time picturing that one in my head. I'll have to look it up. Sounds like a sweet set up though for sure
@@zaccheus yeah ignore me, I think I just had a stupid moment in my head
@Joe Newton haha, not at all. Ot certainly made me think pretty hard for a minute there about how that would work. I'm not willing ti say it's impossible, but it might be pretty tricky and prone to getting stuck 😅
That block is huge lol..lol.
Lol, it's dang heavy too! Gotta get those bend radii up to samson spec 😂
Hi, thanks for the good tip!
Does that bowline in a bite knot also work, for example, in the middle of the rope as a pull point for the pulley?
The butterfly knot really tightens with a big load.
Yeah, it ahluod work good for that. I use it to connect a pulling system to a long rope for pulling trees over and such. It always easy to get out. The only thing you can't do is load the rop across the knot. That'll make a mess of it. It's important to keep the load in those loops.
@@zaccheus Great thanks!
Both loops of the knot must probably be connected to the draw point or is only one loop enough?
(the hook of the pulley may not fit both loops, but I can put a carabiner in between.)
@Härmä Forest It's important to load both loops. If you only load one, there is a chance the other loop will get pulled up into the knot and make a mess.
@@zaccheus That's what I thought, we don't want a mess😃
Thanks!
I am an old man, and I appreciate your overall attitude a LOT.
But DAMMIT ZAC!!! IF YOU SAY "BOH-LINE" one more time....I'm going to stomp on my phone.....
Lol, sounds like a bigger loss to you then me, but do as you please 😅
I always leave my throw ball on when I pull a line through...unless there's going to be an obvious problem...
I see a lot of folks do that. It feels like there is more risk than benefit there for me, but everyone has a different approach and there is nothing wrong with that I don't think.
Great simple explanation. However I’m not sure I fully understand the science behind the 4 x the weight on the rigging point. I do however agree with you about the doubling of the weight when going thru a block. You maybe right, I just can’t understand how that would work.
Sure thing, just imagine the crotch that the big rope runs through is a block as well. For all the force put on the rope by the block, there has to be an equal amount of force on the base anchor to hold thay block up there. There is some friction in that crotch so it's not going to be truly 4 times the amount of force of the load, but it could get pretty close I think.
Count the separate legs of rope. If the piece weighs 100 lbs and there are 4 legs then there is close to 400 lbs on the rigging point.
Are you going down to ArborFest in Asheville at the end of the month?
Aye.. probably not. I've got a lot going on here right now. I spent the last three weeks in cdl school and now I gotta make up for it 😅
@@zaccheus i figured why not. Flights from BWI are dirt cheap. $120 round trip. Plus my daughter will be in Asheville that weekend too.
@CoolGen10 that's great man! I hope you have a good time there 😊
2 vid's today !
Haha, yeah! It was nice out today and I needed something to do this afternoon 😁
You did a storm broken maple limb in the snow..this technique is what I would've done instead of climbing..then cutt the weight off broken limb .forgot to comment you asked for opinion s on that video..
Yeah, someone mentioned this method in comments on that video. I guess I don't understand the value of it though becaise I'd still have had to climb to make the cuts. Mayne there is more to it that I'm not seeing though? 🤷♂️
Was this video filmed in Aurora, Colo?
This was good old Canton, Ohio
In Québec we call it a floating pulley.
It might be called that here too 🤷♂️ there are a bunch of names for almost everything, and I certainly don't know them all 😅
Game of trees sells 100ft double rings for this ..method ..hollow braid ...
Yeah, they do! I think it would be a lower stretch setup which would be really handy as well.
Mate!!!!🎉🥳🥳💯Nice 😊 mate !!! 🤙🤙🤙👌👌love it all !!!! The Time!!!🌲🪵
Thanks Leonard!
@@zaccheus cheers mate 🤠👍
I'm so guilty on not hitting the like button I don't know why I never do it I did on this one and I will start sorry. I always forget
Haha, no problem. I don't want anyone to feel guilty about it. It just help the video do well. Im hoping to buy some microphones to help improve sound quality and reduce wide noise. I need a couple videos to do good so I can buy them 😅
@@zaccheus yeah buddy I'm going to go back and hit like on every video because everybody know you do I like I just don't know why I always forget on everybody's I always forget but I'm going to do better
@@zaccheus I love that Rigging set up in this video
@b r Thats so kind of you Bill. Thats more than I could ever ask for. Thank you 😊
@@br-dj2ti I'm glad to hear it! It can be real handy in the right scenario. It's a little pricey, but you ought to take a look at the tenex with rings on it that I have linked in the description. I think it's something you'd like. 100ft of rope with double rings spiced on the end. It's made for this technique specifically 👌
"Pronounced, 'Boh-Linn' ..."
Depends on where you're from 🤷♂️
@@zaccheus - No way man!🤣🤣 The USN is the rule to go by. This is akin to Obama calling a Navy Corpsman a "Corpse-man"...or a Bossun's Mate a "Boat-Swanes" Mate...😂😂