@@tylerhaigler7409 meaning the things left out are important and ge gives credence to modern historians who religiously dispute what is recorded and decide on what they think actually happened.
@@joshportie Gibbons work is extremely out of date. It's entertainment from the 1700's, not fact based history the kind you'd be assigned if you took even in a Community college class on Roman History. "Jesuit?" You certainly didn't get any coursework. Gibbon had zero archeology, was just taking Roman Senatorial opinion verbatim; not bothering to notice they differed. And his ridiculous assumption that Antonine Dynasty was the peak of Human Achievement, its all decline ever since, because he has absolutely zero care or knowledge of the 99% of people Roman Senators and Equestrians did not care about. Antonine Plague anyone?
45:58 "Hmmm, I wonder if this thoroughly traumatized boy, who just watched his mother and brothers be murdered by adoptive grandfathers, is going to go grow up to be a sociopathic monster. Stay tuned, we'll all find out together." I love the dry humor of this podcast.
I really struggle to fall asleep and will actually listen to documentaries and presentations on just about every topic when trying to fall asleep. It is amazing to me how long I can listen before actually going to sleep. I actually retain most of the information. If I had to go to sleep with nothing playing I do not think I would every fall asleep.
I listen to these as I go to sleep and as I ride in the car somewhere. Goodness our world history is so interesting and awesome. I just wish more people could appreciate it. You neglect the classics at your own peril.
I recently received "The Storm Before The Storm" & Read it in 3 days. I'm on my third reading right now. So much info I did not know. It's college course quality. Also: These podcast are my nightly entertainment as I drift into sleep. Thanks to Mike & -Timaeus - !
timaeus hasn't paid Mike anything for this content and it drives traffic to his channel of less instructive albeit similar content (i.e. includes the writings of Alistair Crowley)
0:00 - (Rise and Fall of) Germanicus 24:59 - Partner of my Labours (Rise of Sejanus) 51:09 - To the Tiber with Tiberius 1:13:19 - No Better Slave, No Worse Master (Caligula's Reign)
At the time of Tiberius, a small group made themselves known in the province of Judea. This group, a Jewish sect were the apostles of Christianity and the group's leader, Jesus of Nazerenth. he would be crucified during Tiberius' reign.
One last shortish comment. Tiberius was pursuing what today would be called tight monetary policy: little public expenditure and a more than balanced budget. That meant that only the wealthy had much money. That also means they were still the dominant economic force and controlled everything. One could see Caligula's spend thrift ways as a way of spreading around the wealth to the guy on the street. His extravagances were a way of hiring people quickly rather like the 400 of old New York society would do in times of economic depression during the late 19th century. .It shows again with Nero. Money always tended to flow to the top and the bad emperors are a kind of social revolution when nothing else works. You cannot exaggerate the selfishness and family self worship of the old Roman guard. It never quite died even in the Christian era. The Papacy was controlled by old aristocratic Italian families until a little over 70 years ago.
I love this! Duncan’s voice is perfect. So, it is foreseeable that he would neutralize anxiety and let you drift off into sleep. The “problem” if we can define it as such is that his take makes the content so accessible and compelling, all on the backdrop of waiting for the delivery of a perfect and succinct bit of dry wit.
An Emporer worth his salt would have disbanded the Pretorians and chosen his bodyguard on a rotation basis from one of the serving Legions. Allowing soldiers to achieve such lofty heights was asking for trouble!
+MrTriniman The uploader isn't the creator of the video, as stated in the video description, the creator is Mike Duncan who, after he finished The history of Rome moved on to a podcast called Revolutions, which as the name says, covers revolutions. First one covered was the English civil wars(yeah, it's actually a plural technically), so he *kinda* did British history. Most of the revolutions covered were 18th-19th century non-British ones though(French, Haitian, Simon Bolivar/Gran Colombia , July Revolution, American)
Seriously love this series. I’ve learned everything about Egypt and English Monarchy... Rome and Greek history have been lacking (of course plenty more). But this... I love this.
That is a misconception the latin word for sea shells "conchae" also means female genitalia and can also mean boats . Also contemporary accounts state he actually sent scouts before wanting to commit to an invasion . Most stories about Caligula were written well after his death or written to justify the succession of Claudius . What a lot of people do forget or ignore was his loyalty of the legions , the provinces and indeed the Roman populace at Rome itself . To guess honestly I think the the whole "failed" invasion was a feint to weed out usurpers stupid enough to react to it and also make a point to the senate that it is Caligula who rules and is in no rush to prove anything . Plus it also makes a statement that Caligula can fuck about with his legions and it still does not change his stance among-st the legionaries this therefore shows that the Senate , Praetorians and other claimants that they really have not nothing outside themselves that can challenge Caligula .
Those noble Romans were orators. Hail Timaeus ! not a robot! A voice and speaker worthy of this subject. When I was young many times I sat on the stone seats of a Roman amphitheater above Mare Nostrum in the ancient province of Tripolitania. Thanks for the old history told in the old way.
It is awesome Audrey! The same as your last name!William Harrison Dempsey(The Manassa Mauler) in my opinion the greatest fighter of all time!sorry to go off piste Audrey,lol,😂👍👍👍
I see a theme throughout Rome history. August killed Ceaser son Ceasarion only to lose both of his biological heir Tiberius killed Germanicus in part I assume to clear the way for his son Drusus to rule one day but fate is so very cruel. Tiberius loses his heir by others plotting to take the throne. This played out over and over in the western Roman empire Power really does bring out the worst in people. For all of Augustus careful planning to leave the empire in the hands of his biological descent only to have his line to go extinct a few decades after his own death. Brutus might have failed in restoring the republic but his descendants are still amongst the living.
Very true, I think this is seen clearly in The Meditations when Marcus emphasizes the idea of the natural cycle. We all die some day so no matter the planning or reacting there will always be an unexpected event you cannot prepare for so just live well and virtuous. The emperors spent so much time focused on gaining and maintaining power they couldn’t focus on exercising it.
I am a philosophy and Humanities major at Msjc in Hemet, California. I appreciate this channel. I have 6 classes pending to ge my last 3 remaining transferable degrees. And 17 units to attain to ge my 4th and final degree. Administration information System s degree.
Wtf does any of that have to do with this podcast? You sound exactly like a college person who loves in California telling everyone your so called achievements when in reality they mean absolutely shit. I hope you know that absolute shit
Cornelius Lupus was a Roman senator he or a member of his family was in Gotland Denmark Swede , the Wuffings,the family of wulf was in Britain too,the ancient tribal settlement and farmstead of the family of wulf,they were mixed up with the Hwicce tribe and were based in Ceers Hacket Beer Hacket Dorset England,Hwicce was a tribal kingdom in Anglo-Saxon England. According to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, the kingdom was established in 577.
The reigns of Tiberius and Caligula immediately after Augustus’ death probably powered rome for a millennia It’s power source? Cicero Spinning in his grave
Lupus held included Proconsul of Creta et Cyrenaica during the reign of Emperor Tiberius, and most significantly suffect consul for an unknown number of months in AD 42 as the colleague of Gaius Caecina Largus.
If anyone is interested Robert Grave's novel about Belisarius is just as good as "I Claudius" or "Claudius the God". Not as much character development, but way more action.
This has been a GREAT series but I can't find any more of this series beyond this here: Roman History 12 - Tiberius And Caligula 14 AD - 41 AD"....I hope I'm just missing the rest because this is for sure the best history of Rome I've ever encountered. Can you tell me where the rest of the series is, and link it here? Thanks for a great history.
From drinking to much fancy wine called Sapa which was made in heated lead pots. But honestly upon reading the reciepe for Sapa i've got to admit it does indeed sound pretty tasty.
It's a misconception to say that the emperors had all the power. There were several times when Rome could have returned to a Republic. They actively chose to live in an empire, knowing that the Republic was unstable and would tear itself apart eventually.
"Tiberius was a spendthrift who in his later life vetoed every spending bill he saw" You have this wrong. I know that it seems backwards but a spendthrift is someone who is NOT thrifty. Spending money haphazardly is being a spendthrift.
Actually not just the war of the Rose's. The Bible played a huge role in asoiaf. As did roman history.. as a Biblical researcher I can see tons of inspiration. Just like george Lucas. Also being a dead fan, as was martin, you can see that inspiration as well. He is very well read. And lazy.
And you left out Herod Agrippa's role in Claudius' succession. I never heard that Caligula was talked out of forcing his statues into Jewish temples. He sent that letter to Syria just before he died.
Is it possible, that with Domitian home,in the palace.(in the library,perhaps?),while Vespasian and Titus moved about the empire,for Josephus to cross paths with him?am i wrong to suspect that a collaborative effort behind the curtain to weaponize Josephus's works about the Jews seems quite fairly possible? This podcast is such a wellspring...it'd be helpful to get feedback about this....or perhaps your input regarding the mechanisms behind taking a historical account about Judea and turning it into the avengers....and then,execute you if you didn't swallow it?thank you.
"...a man claiming to be the son of god..." Actually he never claimed that, that was added later in an echo of the divine emperors of Rome - 'divi filus' or whatever.
He didn't claim to be the "son of God", he claimed to be a God, which is why he had a statue of himself put in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. This act caused the Jewish revolt against Rome, Rome destroying the Temple and the Jews starting Christianity to get back at Rome
It did, the consular army of the early to middle republic up to Marius. Once he let in professional soldiers, it was a count down to the end of the republic. Before that time it was strictly volunteer.
There's another way to see Caligula,. He could smell the "sweet smell of mendacity" as well as Tennessee William's "Big Daddy". You could see everything he does. even to sleeping with senator's wives as an act of contempt for gross hypocrisy and brown nosing. He knew they were selfish murderers just under the skin. The wives were not likely to be as pure as Caesar's wife either. I don't think the man was mad: just holding up a very black mirror of the roman soul. The story of him throwing coins to the crowds in the forum means something else if you realize the Forum was the Wall Street of it's day and probable only the wealthiest citizens were there at the time. And they still scrambled for the cash like wild animals. The Roman's were not Christians and their morality wasn't colored by the sexual more's we are used to. The Greek philosophers may have been more inclined to practice control of their appetites but the romans weren't, in general, Greek philosophers. I recall seeing the movie back in the late 70s but have never been able to find a copy of the original screenplay by Gore Vidal. Bob Guccione, the Playboy editor and funder of the movie, was responsible for the sexual imagery, as I understand it. Vidal may have had a more nuanced approach to the story. The fact that the movie was popular and had a wide release tells you we weren't all that far from that world either, not even 50 years ago. The 60 and 70's were the time of "sexual liberation". As for Tiberius, soothsayers tended to go over the cliffs at Capri, as I understand it. He thought they were all charlatans and frauds. Sejanus introduced him to his perversions as a way of occupying him and perhaps the man was depressed and sex was the roman way of "keeping it up". A phalus, sometimes with bells on, was a roman good luck and happy mood symbol. He didn't kill his playmates. They were put out by his successor or the senate, I can't recall. The writer here leaves out the story that Tiberius couldn't stand the sight of his former wife without breaking into tears and she had to be kept out of his path by his body guard. He had to marry the pig instead.
The slow deterioration of Roman emperors and the offloading of administrative duties from one extremely capable man to a bureaucracy with an emperor as a debauched figurehead strangely parallels its development in the Chinese Empire. Perhaps the limited administrative apparatus available to people in the past is what leads to this development. A kingdom is small enough that one man can do everything, but an empire like Rome is far too big for one man to administer, and so eventually, they don't.
@@sugarnads Tiberius wasn't particularly good, but I think OP may be referring to the centuries leading up to the end of the empire, as ruled from Rome.
The histories I have read of Tiberius's later days stated that Delators were encouraged with the expectation that they would take the property of anyone they denounced as traitor. The property of the accused and condemned went to the delator, not the imperial treasury. At 57 minutes into this episode, the writer hasn't mentioned one of Tiberius's innovations of requiring senators to write the emperor into their wills, making him sole beneficiary. Tiberius would then decide what he would keep and what would be returned to the families. It was almost a very progressive post FDR income tax before anyone thought like that. Their history would have been so different if taxation had been progressive. Probably not nearly as bloody of gut stuffing. I tend to think that the current vast wealth inequalities we hear so much about today, the delators may only be a little way off in our future. We already had a wanna-be emperor like Trump, But the delators have a more puritanical contemporary embodiment in the form of victims of "sexual predations" - so called. The younger ones may be sincere but their are a few older women who can recall and probably had experience not nearly as naïve or innocent as is so fashionable to pretend now. Some of the younger ones could be more politically weaponized Messalinas. There are usually hefty financial settlements with the accusation. It's not bravery anymore. It's a business.
@@standandelivery Thanks - It's obvious Mike Duncan is the expert but because of these I am finally able to recite the names of the emperors up to Diocletian, so far at least. I didn't think anyone would see these comments. He sounds more reliable than a lot of these other videos. It sounds like he actually read all of Gibbon and I tried about twenty five years ago but just last night I couldn't get through a sentence without yawning. I couldn't understand it either. Maybe I'm getting too old? Oh - and why didn't Cuomo's accusers just say something to him when he was asking about their sex lives? Why didn't they just say they were uncomfortable with the discussion and leave it at that? I don't think the man was a rapist or would have forced himself on them. Do you? They have the law on their side. What more do they need?
@@paulrosa6173 wow, interesting non sequitur, but I'll play. I'm no expert on Cuomo and certainly not his personal life, but if you're asking what I think about his current scandal, I think it fairly likely a cover to distract from the nursing home debacle that would implicate him in alot of deaths (maybe I'm crazy?). I agree with you that anyone that's experiencing harrasment should just tell the authorities, though I can also see how one could be conflicted as to whether it's worth the retaliation that may follow reporting a powerful person as sometimes we shame victims in our society and sometimes we vindicate them. Just too many variables to call it from my sideline seat.
@@standandelivery - sorry for the non sequitur but the news becomes an annex to this podcast. Actually I didn't know what party Cuomo was and thought he was a republican arguing with Trump. But I'm thinking now - the state had a problem knowing what to do with people who can't go to their own separate homes but also can't be kept in hospitals indefinitely either. Times of crisis call for messy decisions that aren't quite as nice as one would hope. There may be many people willing to beat him up over the fudged figures but would those same people, relatives I would think, have been willing to pull their old folks out of the homes and take them into their own homes again? It isn't possible for many of them to leave nursing homes anyway. It seems a bad time to be arguing about male attitude or ego issues. But I don't understand the intricacy of the issue either, actually. But Governors have to think about budgets, budgets, budgets. BTW - that's what is becoming so obvious on these Rome lectures too!
@@paulrosa6173 That's a very rational take and I agree that its questionable that the families would have taken them in the stead of sending them back . In retrospect, it seems like there may have been other solutions if New York's governing apparatus was even a little creative about a solution. But hind sight is 2020 as they say. I've been thinking about the parallels between contemporary society and Rome quite a lot since starting this podcast, I already knew the outline of this history but Duncans retelling gives so many details about the minutiae of political life and citizen life that it's easier to see that there is nothing new here. I wonder sometimes how our society would function if we had consuls instead of a president. Can you imagine Trump and Biden serving together, leading armies into the conflicts we choose today? Im imagining the capital incident almost like a sort of crossing of the Rubicon, just as much an audacity to our sensibilities as it seems to have been to the Romans. Not to conflate the nuances of the two, but it's an interesting parallel.
@@jasonhelfrick4020????? I am not sure what you don't understand. The narrator is using the word "spendthrift" AS IF it means frugal. But the problem is that the word "spendthrift" DOES NOT MEAN frugal. The word "spendthrift" describes a person who is wasteful and irresponsible with money.
I don't get why the audio is so bad especially after so many episodes you could use the mic from $10 headphones and get better sound quality. He puts all this effort in and can't even sort out the audio which is the most important aspect. People are just bizarre how does this make sense. I do appreciate the work you've put it for the world's benefit I just had to make that point as it was really pissing me off.
What a bizarre comment. You do realize that Mike Duncan recorded these between 2007-2012 mostly just on his laptop, right. And that this isn't even Mike's channel? Timaeus collected them and made the longer length playlist of several podcast chapters together. So your constructive criticism is over a decade too late and aimed at someone who can do nothing about it. Even if they wanted to.
@@theConquerersMama fair enough, I was out of line especially after getting so much from his work in retrospect im just grateful for him going to all the effort to make this available.
@@dyls2702 I am grateful too. To Mike Duncan for doing the series on less than a show string in a variety of circumstances. Some more conducive to production quality than others with little instruction in podcasts or broadcasting/public speaking beyond academia. And to Timaeus for their channel which as far as I know has never profited for making these available and deals with years and years of comments when they can be turned off. You certainly are not the only person to have offered your constructive criticism (and some not so constructive) in the comment section not really thinking that it's like talking to your TV while watching reruns. Not the end of the world, just not very productive either. Good on you for taking my comment well and as intended. I totally get venting, even at old reruns. And good on you for being an avid listener & learner.
"a man claiming he was the son of God..." There is much doubt among Bible scholars that Jesus claimed to be the son of God. People said that of him later.
Silly. His own recorded claims, the Resurrection, the disciples who went from cowering deniers to courageous martyrs, these were contemporaries who personally knew Him. Who would make up such a lie they made up and knowingly give up all things including their lives?
Eric Beres Jr. Yes I agree partially. But you gotta admit aside from his competent governance; he was truley more troubled than Augustus. I mean the murals in his villa on Capri say it all. If he had been alive now and not the ruler of a nation, be a sadistic pedophilic serial killer. I personally can't stand serial killers. Especially ones who harm children. Tiberius was a nut case with atiquent govening skills.
Most of these Emperors, including the "good ones" did some incredibly wicked stuff, to include children. Tiberius was excessively sadistic, lived in seclusion, and had the Senate walking on eggshells. It is these senators that write the history books, and that might be why Tiberius has a negative reputation, while others who participated in the same practices have a good reputation.
Tiberius instead of trying to show everyone how great he can be, did exactly everything to prove them right about him being a tyrant. He basically lost a probable new province in Germania by calling germanicus back....all because he was jealous.
Tiberius was just a sad man, it seems. All he ever loved was taken from him, as well as the fact he had always been a backup plan. So he was chosen to lead reluctantly, had already had his heart broken and then his son was murdered. I don't blame Tiberius for being sad.
Oh yes, the Empire confused by Christian unwillingness to worship the emperor as a deity??? You mean like every other Jew since Julius Ceaser? Seriously, that was dumb.
I worked 2nd shift and sometimes overnight. Sometimes 16 hour shifts. By myself. This podcast and coffee got me thru 12 years of that. Thank you.
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Trooper! Remember to live life. Stay safe.
12 years? Did you replay the entire Roman history catalog several times?
And what is it, exactly, you think you are, tax payer?
It did me good for the latter half of 2019, managed to make it to Constantius II
These were the best Roman history podcast ever made.
What are any other ones you've heard of? Lol
@@tylerhaigler7409 yep much better. This is just a Jesuit revision. Just listen to the audio book of Edward gibbons work.
@@tylerhaigler7409 meaning the things left out are important and ge gives credence to modern historians who religiously dispute what is recorded and decide on what they think actually happened.
Oh shut up
@@joshportie Gibbons work is extremely out of date. It's entertainment from the 1700's, not fact based history the kind you'd be assigned if you took even in a Community college class on Roman History. "Jesuit?" You certainly didn't get any coursework. Gibbon had zero archeology, was just taking Roman Senatorial opinion verbatim; not bothering to notice they differed. And his ridiculous assumption that Antonine Dynasty was the peak of Human Achievement, its all decline ever since, because he has absolutely zero care or knowledge of the 99% of people Roman Senators and Equestrians did not care about. Antonine Plague anyone?
45:58
"Hmmm, I wonder if this thoroughly traumatized boy, who just watched his mother and brothers be murdered by adoptive grandfathers, is going to go grow up to be a sociopathic monster. Stay tuned, we'll all find out together."
I love the dry humor of this podcast.
"why do guys always sit in their cars when they get home" Cause we're listening to the history of goddamn Rome!
No offence to author, but I actually use this videos to help myself fall asleep, and it's great :)
lol, narcolepsy is a common problem for those with a short attention span.
- Timaeus - Not exactly nacrolepsy more like insomnia :)
I really struggle to fall asleep and will actually listen to documentaries and presentations on just about every topic when trying to fall asleep. It is amazing to me how long I can listen before actually going to sleep. I actually retain most of the information. If I had to go to sleep with nothing playing I do not think I would every fall asleep.
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Me too. I usually lose more than half of the video falling asleep. :)
I listen to these as I go to sleep and as I ride in the car somewhere. Goodness our world history is so interesting and awesome. I just wish more people could appreciate it. You neglect the classics at your own peril.
I recently received "The Storm Before The Storm" & Read it in 3 days. I'm on my third reading right now. So much info I did not know. It's college course quality. Also: These podcast are my nightly entertainment as I drift into sleep. Thanks to Mike & -Timaeus - !
timaeus hasn't paid Mike anything for this content and it drives traffic to his channel of less instructive albeit similar content (i.e. includes the writings of Alistair Crowley)
0:00 - (Rise and Fall of) Germanicus
24:59 - Partner of my Labours (Rise of Sejanus)
51:09 - To the Tiber with Tiberius
1:13:19 - No Better Slave, No Worse Master (Caligula's Reign)
You are Jupiter Incarnate
Thanks mate.Much appreciated. 😁👍
At the time of Tiberius, a small group made themselves known in the province of Judea. This group, a Jewish sect were the apostles of Christianity and the group's leader, Jesus of Nazerenth. he would be crucified during Tiberius' reign.
One last shortish comment. Tiberius was pursuing what today would be called tight monetary policy: little public expenditure and a more than balanced budget. That meant that only the wealthy had much money. That also means they were still the dominant economic force and controlled everything. One could see Caligula's spend thrift ways as a way of spreading around the wealth to the guy on the street. His extravagances were a way of hiring people quickly rather like the 400 of old New York society would do in times of economic depression during the late 19th century. .It shows again with Nero. Money always tended to flow to the top and the bad emperors are a kind of social revolution when nothing else works. You cannot exaggerate the selfishness and family self worship of the old Roman guard. It never quite died even in the Christian era. The Papacy was controlled by old aristocratic Italian families until a little over 70 years ago.
I like listening to these lectures to pass out cause I have insomnia. I had to shut this down though cause it was way too interesting lol
:)
I love this!
Duncan’s voice is perfect. So, it is foreseeable that he would neutralize anxiety and let you drift off into sleep.
The “problem” if we can define it as such is that his take makes the content so accessible and compelling, all on the backdrop of waiting for the delivery of a perfect and succinct bit of dry wit.
Can you imagine the wailing screams and waterfall tears from Capri! That is the untold story never told.
You are an invaluable resource of awesomeness
Well said👍👍
An Emporer worth his salt would have disbanded the Pretorians and chosen his bodyguard on a rotation basis from one of the serving Legions. Allowing soldiers to achieve such lofty heights was asking for trouble!
Roman deep state
I've been listening to these podcasts/youtube presentations as I've been playing Rome2 really enjoying them thanks
Glad you like them. :)
- Timaeus - will you be doing a British History?
+MrTriniman
The uploader isn't the creator of the video, as stated in the video description, the creator is Mike Duncan who, after he finished The history of Rome moved on to a podcast called Revolutions, which as the name says, covers revolutions. First one covered was the English civil wars(yeah, it's actually a plural technically), so he *kinda* did British history. Most of the revolutions covered were 18th-19th century non-British ones though(French, Haitian, Simon Bolivar/Gran Colombia , July Revolution, American)
Crazy that ive been doing this as well
Hidden Manna same here fam
What a great "listen" and so easy to retain the events.
Seriously love this series. I’ve learned everything about Egypt and English Monarchy... Rome and Greek history have been lacking (of course plenty more). But this... I love this.
Just listen to the decline and fall of Rome. It's much better. Granted the title is not true, Rome never fell it merely transformed.
@@joshportie I just looked that up. Is it the Playlist with 18 videos??
What an excellent podcast.
amazing podcasts about ancient rome! very clear and informative
The life of caligula cracks me up its hilarious
It wasn’t so funny if you had to deal with it.
A total mad ,sadist is bad enough but one with absolute power had to be a nightmare.
I use it to fill in the gaps in history I wasn't tought. And to to rest my eyes in the evenings.
he got them to collect sea shells to humiliate them after they refused to go to Britain. I surprised Duncan is not more skeptical
That is a misconception the latin word for sea shells "conchae" also means female genitalia and can also mean boats . Also contemporary accounts state he actually sent scouts before wanting to commit to an invasion . Most stories about Caligula were written well after his death or written to justify the succession of Claudius . What a lot of people do forget or ignore was his loyalty of the legions , the provinces and indeed the Roman populace at Rome itself .
To guess honestly I think the the whole "failed" invasion was a feint to weed out usurpers stupid enough to react to it and also make a point to the senate that it is Caligula who rules and is in no rush to prove anything . Plus it also makes a statement that Caligula can fuck about with his legions and it still does not change his stance among-st the legionaries this therefore shows that the Senate , Praetorians and other claimants that they really have not nothing outside themselves that can challenge Caligula .
@@NightshadeX85 interesting
Great series!!
Thanks for the subtitles
Those noble Romans were orators. Hail Timaeus ! not a robot! A voice and speaker worthy of this subject. When I was young many times I sat on the stone seats of a Roman amphitheater above Mare Nostrum in the ancient province of Tripolitania. Thanks for the old history told in the old way.
great stuff just got up to date!
This is brilliant.
It is awesome Audrey! The same as your last name!William Harrison Dempsey(The Manassa Mauler) in my opinion the greatest fighter of all time!sorry to go off piste
Audrey,lol,😂👍👍👍
I see a theme throughout Rome history. August killed Ceaser son Ceasarion only to lose both of his biological heir
Tiberius killed Germanicus in part I assume to clear the way for his son Drusus to rule one day but fate is so very cruel. Tiberius loses his heir by others plotting to take the throne.
This played out over and over in the western Roman empire
Power really does bring out the worst in people.
For all of Augustus careful planning to leave the empire in the hands of his biological descent only to have his line to go extinct a few decades after his own death.
Brutus might have failed in restoring the republic but his descendants are still amongst the living.
Very true, I think this is seen clearly in The Meditations when Marcus emphasizes the idea of the natural cycle. We all die some day so no matter the planning or reacting there will always be an unexpected event you cannot prepare for so just live well and virtuous. The emperors spent so much time focused on gaining and maintaining power they couldn’t focus on exercising it.
They thought they were gods establishing a divine dynasty, I guess they were being shown how wrong they are
I am so grateful for this!!! Totally falling in love with my Roman roots!
Thanks for al hours of great history. ❤🎯
I think it's really cute how Mike tells the ladies to go check out Gemanicus. I also think Augustus has him beat in the looks department.
Listening to this in the gym 💪
I am a philosophy and Humanities major at Msjc in Hemet, California. I appreciate this channel. I have 6 classes pending to ge my last 3 remaining transferable degrees. And 17 units to attain to ge my 4th and final degree. Administration information System s degree.
Wtf does any of that have to do with this podcast? You sound exactly like a college person who loves in California telling everyone your so called achievements when in reality they mean absolutely shit. I hope you know that absolute shit
Why has the algorithm not shown me this before?! SUBBED!
Tiberius Was American 🇺🇸
What a great companion to I, Claudius ☺️
Good job thanks
Cornelius Lupus was a Roman senator he or a member of his family was in Gotland Denmark Swede , the Wuffings,the family of wulf was in Britain too,the ancient tribal settlement and farmstead of the family of wulf,they were mixed up with the Hwicce tribe and were based in Ceers Hacket Beer Hacket Dorset England,Hwicce was a tribal kingdom in Anglo-Saxon England. According to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, the kingdom was established in 577.
The reigns of Tiberius and Caligula immediately after Augustus’ death probably powered rome for a millennia
It’s power source? Cicero Spinning in his grave
Lupus held included Proconsul of Creta et Cyrenaica during the reign of Emperor Tiberius, and most significantly suffect consul for an unknown number of months in AD 42 as the colleague of Gaius Caecina Largus.
That Sejanus was a evil man, the man that nearly became the Emperor
If anyone is interested Robert Grave's novel about Belisarius is just as good as "I Claudius" or "Claudius the God". Not as much character development, but way more action.
For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?
Mark 8:36 lol
@@andrewpestotnik5495 nah, that’s me. I made that up
Germanicus got screwed. Damn you Tiberius!
This has been a GREAT series but I can't find any more of this series beyond this here: Roman History 12 - Tiberius And Caligula 14 AD - 41 AD"....I hope I'm just missing the rest because this is for sure the best history of Rome I've ever encountered. Can you tell me where the rest of the series is, and link it here? Thanks for a great history.
I am still in the process of making/uploading them. :)
***** Hey Barbi, how's going? Yes, I always found Rome very interesting as well. I'll continue to try an upload the installments each week or so :)
Caligula is suspected of having suffered from lead poisoning.
From drinking to much fancy wine called Sapa which was made in heated lead pots.
But honestly upon reading the reciepe for Sapa i've got to admit it does indeed sound pretty tasty.
Livia! Tony Soprano's mom clearly got her name from this historical Empress.
It's a misconception to say that the emperors had all the power. There were several times when Rome could have returned to a Republic. They actively chose to live in an empire, knowing that the Republic was unstable and would tear itself apart eventually.
It's almost like Augustus was right about Tiberius.
Yes... Back to the safety of Gaul... Irony
I think Sir Patrick Stewart played the role of Sejanus in BBCs I Claudius. Did him up real evil and smarmy.
He was very different from the Patrick we all know from Star Trek fame, that's for sure. He played his part well.
"Tiberius was a spendthrift who in his later life vetoed every spending bill he saw" You have this wrong. I know that it seems backwards but a spendthrift is someone who is NOT thrifty. Spending money haphazardly is being a spendthrift.
And Felt sorry for Caligula cousin Tiberius Gemellus was only 18/19 years young
Tiberius Was American 🇺🇸
God's I hated the Praetorian Guards...
Jack Dole we have our own these days, they call it the deep state. The cia, fbi, nsa etc.
My grandfather hated them too, even before they put out his eyes
Lol so Tiberius moans about how docile the senate is. But anybody else before him wouldn’t kill for that servitude from the senate
It's like game of thrones but real
this is what people don't get about history
You need to learn about the Wars of the Roses.
Actually not just the war of the Rose's. The Bible played a huge role in asoiaf. As did roman history.. as a Biblical researcher I can see tons of inspiration. Just like george Lucas. Also being a dead fan, as was martin, you can see that inspiration as well. He is very well read. And lazy.
And you left out Herod Agrippa's role in Claudius' succession.
I never heard that Caligula was talked out of forcing his statues into Jewish temples. He sent that letter to Syria just before he died.
Is it possible, that with Domitian home,in the palace.(in the library,perhaps?),while Vespasian and Titus moved about the empire,for Josephus to cross paths with him?am i wrong to suspect that a collaborative effort behind the curtain to weaponize Josephus's works about the Jews seems quite fairly possible? This podcast is such a wellspring...it'd be helpful to get feedback about this....or perhaps your input regarding the mechanisms behind taking a historical account about Judea and turning it into the avengers....and then,execute you if you didn't swallow it?thank you.
I think we need look no further than Tiberius' "schooling" of Caligula for his bad behaviour.
CC is helpful...
1:13:36
"...a man claiming to be the son of god..."
Actually he never claimed that, that was added later in an echo of the divine emperors of Rome - 'divi filus' or whatever.
That's not true. You're a moron
He didn't claim to be the "son of God", he claimed to be a God, which is why he had a statue of himself put in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. This act caused the Jewish revolt against Rome, Rome destroying the Temple and the Jews starting Christianity to get back at Rome
Like at 9:20~40 you seriously hear a woman laughing... damn my ears are good xD
sid jamesus... thats the guy from the carry on films...right?? ;-)
he did play mark anthony in Carry On Cleo lol
What a sinister and cruel past...wow. Probably it still goes like this in some nations, but I am pretty shocked family killing family for power...
It hurts to hear happy people talk
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45:09 😔😔😔
The parallels today are...well, legion!
Why didn't the Senate ever create an armed body to protect its power?
give roman citizen the right to bear arms
It did, the consular army of the early to middle republic up to Marius. Once he let in professional soldiers, it was a count down to the end of the republic. Before that time it was strictly volunteer.
Hard to do when the emperor controls the legions, a large fortune and has spies watching you.
Tiberius lost the women he loved.... Didn't Augustus force Tiberius to leave his wife and marry another woman?
Gaius Caecina Largus
1:26:25 - Caligula’s delusions of godhood
wheres Claudius?
In another video, the one right after this one. It should be available to view on the uploader's channel.
There's another way to see Caligula,. He could smell the "sweet smell of mendacity" as well as Tennessee William's "Big Daddy". You could see everything he does. even to sleeping with senator's wives as an act of contempt for gross hypocrisy and brown nosing. He knew they were selfish murderers just under the skin. The wives were not likely to be as pure as Caesar's wife either. I don't think the man was mad: just holding up a very black mirror of the roman soul.
The story of him throwing coins to the crowds in the forum means something else if you realize the Forum was the Wall Street of it's day and probable only the wealthiest citizens were there at the time. And they still scrambled for the cash like wild animals.
The Roman's were not Christians and their morality wasn't colored by the sexual more's we are used to. The Greek philosophers may have been more inclined to practice control of their appetites but the romans weren't, in general, Greek philosophers.
I recall seeing the movie back in the late 70s but have never been able to find a copy of the original screenplay by Gore Vidal. Bob Guccione, the Playboy editor and funder of the movie, was responsible for the sexual imagery, as I understand it. Vidal may have had a more nuanced approach to the story. The fact that the movie was popular and had a wide release tells you we weren't all that far from that world either, not even 50 years ago. The 60 and 70's were the time of "sexual liberation".
As for Tiberius, soothsayers tended to go over the cliffs at Capri, as I understand it. He thought they were all charlatans and frauds. Sejanus introduced him to his perversions as a way of occupying him and perhaps the man was depressed and sex was the roman way of "keeping it up". A phalus, sometimes with bells on, was a roman good luck and happy mood symbol. He didn't kill his playmates. They were put out by his successor or the senate, I can't recall. The writer here leaves out the story that Tiberius couldn't stand the sight of his former wife without breaking into tears and she had to be kept out of his path by his body guard. He had to marry the pig instead.
The slow deterioration of Roman emperors and the offloading of administrative duties from one extremely capable man to a bureaucracy with an emperor as a debauched figurehead strangely parallels its development in the Chinese Empire.
Perhaps the limited administrative apparatus available to people in the past is what leads to this development. A kingdom is small enough that one man can do everything, but an empire like Rome is far too big for one man to administer, and so eventually, they don't.
Slow deterioration?
Caligula and nero sucked.
Most of the rest in the first century were pretty good.
@@sugarnads Tiberius wasn't particularly good, but I think OP may be referring to the centuries leading up to the end of the empire, as ruled from Rome.
Tiberius Claudius Nero
Of all the emperors, I think Tiberius is the one that makes me the angriest lol
Cornelius Lupus was a Roman senator little wolf
This is an AI film version of Tiberius and Caligula. ua-cam.com/video/aH5AD_jbCDI/v-deo.html
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Why is Egypt always cut off?
The histories I have read of Tiberius's later days stated that Delators were encouraged with the expectation that they would take the property of anyone they denounced as traitor. The property of the accused and condemned went to the delator, not the imperial treasury. At 57 minutes into this episode, the writer hasn't mentioned one of Tiberius's innovations of requiring senators to write the emperor into their wills, making him sole beneficiary. Tiberius would then decide what he would keep and what would be returned to the families. It was almost a very progressive post FDR income tax before anyone thought like that. Their history would have been so different if taxation had been progressive. Probably not nearly as bloody of gut stuffing.
I tend to think that the current vast wealth inequalities we hear so much about today, the delators may only be a little way off in our future. We already had a wanna-be emperor like Trump, But the delators have a more puritanical contemporary embodiment in the form of victims of "sexual predations" - so called. The younger ones may be sincere but their are a few older women who can recall and probably had experience not nearly as naïve or innocent as is so fashionable to pretend now. Some of the younger ones could be more politically weaponized Messalinas. There are usually hefty financial settlements with the accusation. It's not bravery anymore. It's a business.
Wow, I read a few of your comments here and it makes a good footnote to the podcast. Thank you for posting!
@@standandelivery Thanks - It's obvious Mike Duncan is the expert but because of these I am finally able to recite the names of the emperors up to Diocletian, so far at least. I didn't think anyone would see these comments. He sounds more reliable than a lot of these other videos. It sounds like he actually read all of Gibbon and I tried about twenty five years ago but just last night I couldn't get through a sentence without yawning. I couldn't understand it either. Maybe I'm getting too old?
Oh - and why didn't Cuomo's accusers just say something to him when he was asking about their sex lives? Why didn't they just say they were uncomfortable with the discussion and leave it at that? I don't think the man was a rapist or would have forced himself on them. Do you? They have the law on their side. What more do they need?
@@paulrosa6173 wow, interesting non sequitur, but I'll play. I'm no expert on Cuomo and certainly not his personal life, but if you're asking what I think about his current scandal, I think it fairly likely a cover to distract from the nursing home debacle that would implicate him in alot of deaths (maybe I'm crazy?). I agree with you that anyone that's experiencing harrasment should just tell the authorities, though I can also see how one could be conflicted as to whether it's worth the retaliation that may follow reporting a powerful person as sometimes we shame victims in our society and sometimes we vindicate them. Just too many variables to call it from my sideline seat.
@@standandelivery - sorry for the non sequitur but the news becomes an annex to this podcast. Actually I didn't know what party Cuomo was and thought he was a republican arguing with Trump. But I'm thinking now - the state had a problem knowing what to do with people who can't go to their own separate homes but also can't be kept in hospitals indefinitely either. Times of crisis call for messy decisions that aren't quite as nice as one would hope. There may be many people willing to beat him up over the fudged figures but would those same people, relatives I would think, have been willing to pull their old folks out of the homes and take them into their own homes again? It isn't possible for many of them to leave nursing homes anyway. It seems a bad time to be arguing about male attitude or ego issues. But I don't understand the intricacy of the issue either, actually. But Governors have to think about budgets, budgets, budgets. BTW - that's what is becoming so obvious on these Rome lectures too!
@@paulrosa6173 That's a very rational take and I agree that its questionable that the families would have taken them in the stead of sending them back . In retrospect, it seems like there may have been other solutions if New York's governing apparatus was even a little creative about a solution. But hind sight is 2020 as they say. I've been thinking about the parallels between contemporary society and Rome quite a lot since starting this podcast, I already knew the outline of this history but Duncans retelling gives so many details about the minutiae of political life and citizen life that it's easier to see that there is nothing new here. I wonder sometimes how our society would function if we had consuls instead of a president. Can you imagine Trump and Biden serving together, leading armies into the conflicts we choose today? Im imagining the capital incident almost like a sort of crossing of the Rubicon, just as much an audacity to our sensibilities as it seems to have been to the Romans. Not to conflate the nuances of the two, but it's an interesting parallel.
It sounds so made up about Caligula
You describe Tiberius as a "spendthrift" at 1:23:30, but then go on to describe frugal behavior. Was that a mistake?
Spendthrift and frugal are synonymous
@@jasonhelfrick4020 No, they're actually antonyms. A spendthrift is wasteful, extravagant, etc..
Sorry ur wrong listen to next sentece when it is said how well the treasury was left
@@jasonhelfrick4020????? I am not sure what you don't understand. The narrator is using the word "spendthrift" AS IF it means frugal. But the problem is that the word "spendthrift" DOES NOT MEAN frugal.
The word "spendthrift" describes a person who is wasteful and irresponsible with money.
It's a mistake that many make. Thinking they are synonymous.
What are your sources for the statement "a man called Jesus was executed in Judai" ?
M'lady *tips fedora*
Doesn't this sound like US? The United States of America . . .
Uh.....no. Do US politicians murder each other left and right? No. No they don't
@@ancientfalmer4341 YOUR A FOOL
@@ancientfalmer4341 not yet
Much of Roman history is like a tacky prime time soap opera.
I don't get why the audio is so bad especially after so many episodes you could use the mic from $10 headphones and get better sound quality. He puts all this effort in and can't even sort out the audio which is the most important aspect. People are just bizarre how does this make sense. I do appreciate the work you've put it for the world's benefit I just had to make that point as it was really pissing me off.
What a bizarre comment. You do realize that Mike Duncan recorded these between 2007-2012 mostly just on his laptop, right. And that this isn't even Mike's channel?
Timaeus collected them and made the longer length playlist of several podcast chapters together. So your constructive criticism is over a decade too late and aimed at someone who can do nothing about it. Even if they wanted to.
@@theConquerersMama fair enough, I was out of line especially after getting so much from his work in retrospect im just grateful for him going to all the effort to make this available.
@@dyls2702 I am grateful too. To Mike Duncan for doing the series on less than a show string in a variety of circumstances. Some more conducive to production quality than others with little instruction in podcasts or broadcasting/public speaking beyond academia. And to Timaeus for their channel which as far as I know has never profited for making these available and deals with years and years of comments when they can be turned off.
You certainly are not the only person to have offered your constructive criticism (and some not so constructive) in the comment section not really thinking that it's like talking to your TV while watching reruns. Not the end of the world, just not very productive either.
Good on you for taking my comment well and as intended. I totally get venting, even at old reruns. And good on you for being an avid listener & learner.
My life: I can't decide if I want pizza or tacos.... make a podcast about that. 😧
1:27:40 Did someone say Yaoi?
GREAT troll: i salute you!!! Am a huge fan of Anime myself. That said, it was Yaweh, lol.
It is okay, he mispronounced YHWH!
Your still smacking, keep you some water on hand.
These podcasts were recorded over a decade ago.
"a man claiming he was the son of God..." There is much doubt among Bible scholars that Jesus claimed to be the son of God. People said that of him later.
Silly. His own recorded claims, the Resurrection, the disciples who went from cowering deniers to courageous martyrs, these were contemporaries who personally knew Him. Who would make up such a lie they made up and knowingly give up all things including their lives?
Tiberius gets a bad rep, even Trajan, Vespasian, or Claudius would have a hard time in the shadow of The Revered One
Edit-Spelling lol
Eric Beres Jr.
Yes I agree partially. But you gotta admit aside from his competent governance; he was truley more troubled than Augustus. I mean the murals in his villa on Capri say it all. If he had been alive now and not the ruler of a nation, be a sadistic pedophilic serial killer. I personally can't stand serial killers. Especially ones who harm children. Tiberius was a nut case with atiquent govening skills.
Most of these Emperors, including the "good ones" did some incredibly wicked stuff, to include children. Tiberius was excessively sadistic, lived in seclusion, and had the Senate walking on eggshells. It is these senators that write the history books, and that might be why Tiberius has a negative reputation, while others who participated in the same practices have a good reputation.
Tiberius instead of trying to show everyone how great he can be, did exactly everything to prove them right about him being a tyrant. He basically lost a probable new province in Germania by calling germanicus back....all because he was jealous.
Tiberius was just a sad man, it seems. All he ever loved was taken from him, as well as the fact he had always been a backup plan. So he was chosen to lead reluctantly, had already had his heart broken and then his son was murdered. I don't blame Tiberius for being sad.
So many weird mouth sounds in this episode. Is this an ASMR episode or something? Back away from the mic.
Everything written about Caligula sounds like complete horseshit written by butthurt Senators.
"Yeah, not so much"
Omg, spoiler alert!
If you're going to narrate history, don't give future events away!
2 millennia and we are crying out
“Too Soon!”
Your history is incomplete
Oh yes, the Empire confused by Christian unwillingness to worship the emperor as a deity??? You mean like every other Jew since Julius Ceaser? Seriously, that was dumb.
Baltic and slavic states? The map is ridiculous.