Believe me there are many more dangerous people in the community than you think . Councils literally cross there fingers and hope they don't kick off .
coz all the mental health places bre private n cost a fortune even tho often dont have any staff trained to understand or allowed t treat. so they if lucky hang around in an expensive 'unit' for years getting worse
Yup, I have experience with this, it’s terrible and they wom5 let them be put in secure units. Police won’t help mental health care workers anymore. It is a state.
Ian Coates was my sons caretaker at his school...his loss is felt tremendously so can't imagine how his family feels...such a big loss for lots of his pupils too 😢
@@nickjackson5534he was mentally I’ll and he wouldn’t allow the doctors to tell his family. This is a medical treatment problem. It happened because the Tories have been closing Secure Units since the 80s
@@nickjackson5534 i am also cynical about that.. But if he was "clever enough" to lie even when he was under care in Institution... How would drs get the dosages/medicines right?
@@marknicholson2281surely there are instances when a patient is incapacitated mentally/physical Next of Kin can be informed/given opportunity to be 'guardians' to help/supervise patient
The mental health services in the UK are the worst they’ve ever been, and that's thanks to 14 years of Conservative austerity. Child mental health services are bad, adult mental health services are worse and it's always to do with lack of money.
1999 my 9 year old went through a dreadful time coming to terms with the death of his father, he attempted suicide... went to the doctors, referred to a specialist, from there on had counselling.. within 6 month i had my beautiful carefree boy back.. heartbreaking that governments that have syphoned money from this services.. mental health kills quicker than cancer, mental health is a cancer..
@@alanfrost4661Your comment is uncalled for. She expressed a serious loss of life, and you think "schooling" her from your perspective is the best way to address this.
People don’t realise the difficulty for family members assisting with a loved one with mental illness. Unless they are classed as being a present danger to themselves or others it is near impossible for them to be sectioned. If they do not have insight into their illness, they may refuse treatment, medication, assessment and advice from doctors and family. There must be millions of families in this difficult situation with a loved one in an incredibly bad way but still ‘not ill enough’ for anything to be done. The current system is set up not to be preventative and unless the system changes, this will keep happening
I worked on the front line of mental health for years. The danger of news articles about knife welding schizophrenics is completely unhelpful. None of my clients with this debilitating illness was a threat to anyone. In fact, they were more at risk of exploitative people and injury to themselves than other people. Our system is broken and an entirely new model of community based support is desperately needed.
Whilst your point of view is clearly genuine and has validity, many would argue that the specifics of this particular case are important. The general cases do not remove the importance of scrutiny.
@@JamieLofthouse I've worked in some Psychiatric Hospitals in Ireland and what I can say is, never underestimate anyone whom you have seen in the service. While not everyone but there are some mental health patients whom required longer inpatient stay, seclusion, 24-hr monitoring /high surveillance for good reasons (or shall I say bad?). Non-compliance with medication, illicit drug use, stress and poor community support can easily deteriorate a well-known patient's mental health. I agree with you on a new model of community based support is needed but not neglecting the importance of adequate amount of time in the unit if required.
As a mental health support worker I totally agree that people with schizophrenia are much more likely to be a victim of abuse then to cause harm to anyone else. This is a horrible horrific case but very isolated and I really hope this case isn't used to scaremonger the general public. That said I completely empathize with the family and send my deepest condolences.
Hear hear. I have friends with mentally ill young adult kids. They get zero help until there is a tragedy. Why? No money. We have to start taxing business properly because our social infrastructure is falling apart now. Thank for the work you did, cannot be easy.
Thank you to the male presenter for your disgust regarding this. Lock up the social care workers. Valdo should have been locked up. Stop saying victims. They hsve NAMES. Grace, Barnaby and Ian.
Do u guys know how bad the mental health services are really. Work conditions for mental health services are very very poor. Can the mental health services sue the government for providing poor work conditions. Please see this issue in its wholeness
Richard is being overly combative with the forensic psychiatrist who is giving very reasonable answers and seems to want to blame the underresourcing of the NHS and 14 years of austerity on this poor chap - wish he would go back fannying around with Judy, but it seems even she has lost patience for him
Marijuana at a young age before 25 can causes schizophrenia .. low VitD levels can cause anxiety depression so there’s preventative stuff but no one bothers!
@@Yazzie101 I think it’s a dangerous narrative to suggest that psychotic individuals are somehow at fault for not preventing their debilitating symptoms
It's been proven that the younger someone is when they start using it, the longer they use it, the more chance they have of developing cannabis induced psychosis. It's because young people's brains haven't developed fully yet.
I can personally attest to both of those. Smoked dope from 14 & then at 25 had a psychotic episode. All clean now, but I have agoraphobia & severe anxiety & depression. Never see the sun 😔 so on Vit D.
..and this is why 'govt plc' are intending to Legalise the stuff while banning old fashioned smoking Tobacco ..-they want to create messed-up future generations . . .!
One of my neighbours who lived 8 doors down from me had schizophrenia. One day, he just decided to stop taking his meds. He made a nonsensical live Facebook feed, then a few hours later killed his neighbour because he complained about the music. Another neighbour had a heart attack and died upon witnessing the killing which was by all accounts horrific. The guy was originally from Bulgaria I think. I had no idea who he was. It's scary knowing that these people could be practically living on your doorstep.
That was horrible. I can understand how you feel. My neighbour has psychiatric illness too. She's from Poland. Policemen have visited the house God Knows how many times this year. Recently she was non-compliant with her medication and on one calm afternoon, she was chased by a few officers. She has young children. Feel kinda sad to think about it, but her husband seems like a nice man. Now, my neighbour is detained under MHA and I have not seen her for almost a month now.
Why'd you have to add "from Bulgaria" to this man? You turned a quite harrowing post into something that sounds like it could be a xenophobic rant. I do this myself sometimes and I have to stop myself because it's insinuating that this is a problem that only happens in non-English people
@@CosmicSky567 Well she won't be able to stab anyone to death while she's locked up. There's the answer. Lock them up - for the safety of other people. Don't just let them loose in the community
I know what you mean. I never thought I would see the US fall so low. We are morally decadent. And we are governed by foreigners, Bolsheviks and people that hate us.
Come to leyton and Leytonstone, they have let all the crazy people out. You cant even go tescos in piece without someone kicking off. Absolute disgrace
He should have been sectioned and never allowed out . Too late now but they are usually forced and injected with the medication if they are not taking it. Why was he allowed to continue to get out of hospital ? 😢heartbreaking
Reduction in beds , it’s hard since the government closed large hospitals and sold off the land for housing. My local mental health hospital was originally under a Covenant to be used as such, what happened they closed it , left it unattended , it fell into disrepair then it “ burnt “, down. What to do now as the covenant no longer exist. Housing 🤦🏾♀️. Mental health has ALWAYS been the Cinderella of Nursing, push the people that are suffering as out of sight equal out of mind.
There's been funding cuts for mental health under the tories for 14 years. I feel sorry for the victims but the tories cuts made him fall through the cracks
@@roseanncampbell3168 it's been way more than 14 years. Remember the whole "care in the community" debacle? The mental health support and treatment systems in this country have never recovered. Decades of Tory butchery, and no redress under Maggie's favourite, Tory Blair.
Nhs dont seem to u derstand that depressed mental health patients arent in the right mindset to be organised to take meds. So easy to lie about anything , when youre on meds you cant get up the same, let alone keep a diary and routine...
Increase it? They’ve been increasing for how many years? What happened with extra funding? More woke, narcissism and courses to train doctors how to look for pregnant men and how to ask men if they may be pregnant Your basically giving narcassits more power What’s wrong with u Englis?
My thoughts also.....many individuals in psychosis have a dual diagnosis of addictions, anti psychotic drugs become less effective. Very sad state this country is in.
Those of us who dealt with the severely mentally ill warned of this when the Tories began closing the Secure Units in the 80s. But successive governments have continued to do it and the NHS managers have also failed to ensure sufficient beds are available. There are many more who have died because they could not get the care even when they asked for it.
We used to have hospitals for mental health. Need to bring back mental health secure units to keep them from the public. Putting people with serious mental health issues into care in the community is a proven mistake. I used to work in a mental health unit - I would not want to meet one of them on the street...of think that they could be managed by a community team - there are people who cannot be allowed to be free to be in the community..
If I were you, just stay away from Camden Town, and a 3 mile radius from there.. In my experience of witnessing toxic behavior, that's where most of these mental cases live and socialize.
@@elizabethsamson5591 There are secure units. Institutions are not effective and condemning people to life long lockup is far from appropriate in the vast majority of cases. Psychology and medication had come along way, and in fact, is the reason we got rid of permanent lockup.
@@AnthonyD-yy2in Interesting. My sisters friend moved her Somali sons/family to Turkey from Camden cause too many stabbings there 🤦🏽♀️ the youth need help
He should be in a secure unit within a Mental health hospital! The problem of cause is that they closed all the mental health asylums in this country down in favour of care in the community! We said it wouldn't work at the time but no-one would listen and look where we are now !
The headline cases are always the patients who do terrible harm to others, but how many untreated patients are a risk to themselves? It's still tragic. Are suicidal and self-harming patients easier to ignore?
Exactly,its always these headline cases which are of course tragic but there are thousands upon thousands failed and do harm to themselves which way outnumbers those that do harms like this.
My husband's twin sister was a manic deprive she was sectioned because she wanted to end her life,while in the unit she tried to hang herself she got scissors twice to harm herself ,to top it off the nurse let her go for a walk even though she was sectioned a few hours later someone noticed there was something hanging on the scaffolding that was my husbands twin.this happend 15 years ago.
Maybe if we stopped diagnosing everyone with some mental health disorder when in fact it’s just normal life (eg anxiety), we could focus on the real problems like Calocane
Cannabis is the reason why he was in that state and taking away his own responsibility and blaming everyone else is the problem. There have been many cases of people from African descent who have been in a state of psychosis due to cannabis.
Its really annoying that Richard keeps trying to ask Dr Das questions and Trisha keeps butting in and he doesn't get to answer. Why ask experts on then limit their abilty to provide us with the information? Never liked Trisha, far too egotistical
Life is spiritual. Even the mind is a spiritual entity. Have you ever seen your mind? Have you ever seen a person without a body? These are complex topic. Some of our professional are under pressure and depressed themselves.Can a blind lead a blind? May The Holy Spirit give us understanding.
The NHS is not fit for purpose. We need to copy a successful health care system like Germany. Start with the smaller health trusts and gradually the whole country. Bring in experts from Germany to do it.
@@ru76224 Please don't make an issue out of it. As a muslim myself, we believe that any good deeds definitely will not go unnoticed by GOD even no one recorded or shared it on social media. Chill out, ok? 😅
@@CosmicSky567 However, it was recorded.. and it was shared. Do you have anything insightful to share.. Muslims have been frightened for over 2 weeks and this is just one prime example that very beautifully highlights that Muslims and also immigration is not the problem they want you to believe. _wake up, don't be a sheep._
My view on this is that any Schizophrenic or psychotic individual that has been instructed to take antipsychotic medication for their illness who fails to take it and then in a psychotic episode murders someone, should not be allowed to claim diminished responsibility. They had a responsibility to taoe their medication. And they willingly ignored that responsibility.
medication is not a cure it just makes them feel good, but it has horrible side effects, like making the eyes roll over, and they cannot walk they need help like a blind person. medication does not change their thinking.
@@jameswatson5807 For autism-related reasons I've been on different antipsychotic medications myself in the past and could walk fine. I think you are referring to the extra pyramidal side effects that are possible. But in most cases that's a result of upping the doses too quickly instead of starting small and increasing slowly. And it doesn't necessarily affect someone taking them. It's just a possibility that it might affect them.
@@cultfiction3865 Nope this is common my mother and siter brother are all mental illness. They took meds their eyes roll over, I thought with my mum the eyes rolling over was part of the illness. But when it came to my brother years later, his eyes rolled over they told us that is a side effect. That is common my siter does not like it makes it hard for her to walk, you have to understand these people are not in there right states. They do not know they are sick or understand it my sister believe a evil society is created to taker her down. so in her head she might stop taking it based on her delusion.
2005 - 52 dead on tube train London 2013 - Lee Rigby 2017 - 4 dead on Westminster bridge - 22 dead Manchester arena - 8 dead London bridge 2019 - 2 dead on London bridge 2020 - 3 dead in Reading 2021 - MP David Amies dead 2023 - 1 dead in Hartelepool. 93 R.I.P. never forget who committed these atrocities
1991 / 13 children killed by State Enrolled Nurse. 1975 to 1998 / 218 patients killed by General Practitioner. 1967 to 1987 / 12 young girls and young women killed by Lorry Driver. 243 R.I.P.
The day of the Westminster bridge attacks, I was getting discharged from St Thomas's Hospital after a month long stay on the cardiac ward. I was waiting to be picked up by my family and I decided to go for a walk to the riverside once my cannula was removed as I had been on the ward for so long. Fortunately where I was standing was not were it occurred but I was close enough to the commotion, I mainly saw police. I didn't realise the significance of the event until news coverage the day after.
Born in Portugal and moved to Wales in 2007. Bright student doing Masters in Chemical Engineering. His flat mate also saw it first hand that the chap was ill.
@@truebelief3631 Likely to be correct, his formative years were shaped in western environment. I think it is offensive and disrespectful placing emphasis on his immigrant background. The lad was sectioned 4 times; on arrest warrant ; been in and out mental health facilities for 3 years. Surely the focus should be on the multiple agencies failures and supporting the grieving families!
Having mental problems brought on by the care Systerm and being black and trying to get therapy in UK isn't a easy ride, Am with merseycare with BPD and ptsd 20 years plus no therapy I was born here uk and it's service are racist Systerm. You no it I no it,
we need a huge investment in preventative care across the board. cant just wait till people are physically and mentally at breaking point. its more expensive and it pushes people t get worse t get help. by which point they have lost faith in the help and systems and dont engage as much
NHS is too big and got the wrong kind of people that work in it.We need private integration within the NHS and at the same time cancel the employment made by the NHS of which they can employ a limit to part timers only
Sometimes, the society and government institutions make the parent handicapped by restricting discipline requirements without creating a balance between discipline and disorder and disproportionate punishment of a child.
Is that a black kate garraway 😂😂. Starmer dropped the ball by calling anyone protesting the children’s deaths Far Right in some peoples eyes. A LOT of people feel that way, although I know GMB have their own agenda. Richard is so detached, it has got traction but we will have ti wait 4 years for it to play out.
Thats were your wrong its not the first thing they think about blood on there hands there first thought sorry to say is thinking of a way of passing the buck or even hiding the facts because they are people who must be scared of these patients so there first thought is getting out of this situation like any honest person would say if there job wasn't on the line
Okay but he knew what he was doing ? he sent texts to his family saying what he was going to he PLANNED it he knew fell what what he was doing at the time I really don't get how he got away with playing the mental health card how much more proof do you need someone's aware of what they are doing than actual written evidence ?
so you are an expert on mental health, you have this idea just because you are mad you cannot us ethe phone. You cannot act this he was in and out of the mad house, there is no way you want to be in there for 6 months and over and over.
@@jameswatson5807 texting your brother saying your about to do something bad sorry ? yes that to me proves he knew what he was doing and wasnt in a deluded state clearly knows what he was about to do was wrong and said sorry to his family before carrying out the act hes thinking clear enough why are you supporting a guy rhat stabbed 2 teens and an elderly man and hit 2 others with a car ? your sick bud you cant tell me its okay to do all that then go oppsie i was insane at the time
Believe me there are many more dangerous people in the community than you think . Councils literally cross there fingers and hope they don't kick off .
the funny thing is not all but most are not from britain it shows that our way of integrating these people into society is wrong
coz all the mental health places bre private n cost a fortune even tho often dont have any staff trained to understand or allowed t treat. so they if lucky hang around in an expensive 'unit' for years getting worse
@@VovelPunch google the stats on his disease by race, it’s shocking
Yes, because councils are broke. They have to fund social care for elderly people, etc. Hugely expensive.
Yup, I have experience with this, it’s terrible and they wom5 let them be put in secure units. Police won’t help mental health care workers anymore. It is a state.
Ian Coates was my sons caretaker at his school...his loss is felt tremendously so can't imagine how his family feels...such a big loss for lots of his pupils too 😢
The families need to sue the government and the doctors for allowing this to happen
easier said than done
Where was his family, obviously not looking after him. Don't blame anyone except the killer.
@@nickjackson5534he was mentally I’ll and he wouldn’t allow the doctors to tell his family.
This is a medical treatment problem. It happened because the Tories have been closing Secure Units since the 80s
@@nickjackson5534 i am also cynical about that.. But if he was "clever enough" to lie even when he was under care in Institution... How would drs get the dosages/medicines right?
@@marknicholson2281surely there are instances when a patient is incapacitated mentally/physical Next of Kin can be informed/given opportunity to be 'guardians' to help/supervise patient
In this horrendous country they will say "Lessons will be learned"
Unfortunately that's all that can be said and done
spoken only with the passive voice, of course
The biggest lie of all ...
The mental health services in the UK are the worst they’ve ever been, and that's thanks to 14 years of Conservative austerity. Child mental health services are bad, adult mental health services are worse and it's always to do with lack of money.
1999 my 9 year old went through a dreadful time coming to terms with the death of his father, he attempted suicide... went to the doctors, referred to a specialist, from there on had counselling.. within 6 month i had my beautiful carefree boy back.. heartbreaking that governments that have syphoned money from this services.. mental health kills quicker than cancer, mental health is a cancer..
doesnt work for everyone
resources and skills are limited in Britain because most docs leave the country for better employment tragic really...
Its called LIFE deal with it
@@VovelPunch did they all leave the country, or the NHS? Funding is disgusting...it did work for everyone though..
@@alanfrost4661Your comment is uncalled for. She expressed a serious loss of life, and you think "schooling" her from your perspective is the best way to address this.
@Asma_Mushtaq This is the problem with the world today, the lack of compassion is astonishing! SAD
People don’t realise the difficulty for family members assisting with a loved one with mental illness. Unless they are classed as being a present danger to themselves or others it is near impossible for them to be sectioned.
If they do not have insight into their illness, they may refuse treatment, medication, assessment and advice from doctors and family. There must be millions of families in this difficult situation with a loved one in an incredibly bad way but still ‘not ill enough’ for anything to be done. The current system is set up not to be preventative and unless the system changes, this will keep happening
Well said
I worked on the front line of mental health for years. The danger of news articles about knife welding schizophrenics is completely unhelpful. None of my clients with this debilitating illness was a threat to anyone. In fact, they were more at risk of exploitative people and injury to themselves than other people. Our system is broken and an entirely new model of community based support is desperately needed.
Whilst your point of view is clearly genuine and has validity, many would argue that the specifics of this particular case are important. The general cases do not remove the importance of scrutiny.
@@JamieLofthouse I've worked in some Psychiatric Hospitals in Ireland and what I can say is, never underestimate anyone whom you have seen in the service. While not everyone but there are some mental health patients whom required longer inpatient stay, seclusion, 24-hr monitoring /high surveillance for good reasons (or shall I say bad?). Non-compliance with medication, illicit drug use, stress and poor community support can easily deteriorate a well-known patient's mental health. I agree with you on a new model of community based support is needed but not neglecting the importance of adequate amount of time in the unit if required.
As a mental health support worker I totally agree that people with schizophrenia are much more likely to be a victim of abuse then to cause harm to anyone else. This is a horrible horrific case but very isolated and I really hope this case isn't used to scaremonger the general public. That said I completely empathize with the family and send my deepest condolences.
Hear hear. I have friends with mentally ill young adult kids. They get zero help until there is a tragedy. Why? No money.
We have to start taxing business properly because our social infrastructure is falling apart now.
Thank for the work you did, cannot be easy.
Yes mental institutions
Trisa didn’t let him answer an important question, then said, 'I'm biased.'
Okay, can we avoid bias, please?
Biased* Learn your own language, please.
Thank you to the male presenter for your disgust regarding this. Lock up the social care workers. Valdo should have been locked up. Stop saying victims. They hsve NAMES. Grace, Barnaby and Ian.
Do u guys know how bad the mental health services are really. Work conditions for mental health services are very very poor. Can the mental health services sue the government for providing poor work conditions. Please see this issue in its wholeness
Richard is being overly combative with the forensic psychiatrist who is giving very reasonable answers and seems to want to blame the underresourcing of the NHS and 14 years of austerity on this poor chap - wish he would go back fannying around with Judy, but it seems even she has lost patience for him
Trisha, I know you have a passion for this subject, but please let the professional answer the questions hes asked? Very rude!
Marijuana at a young age before 25 can causes schizophrenia .. low VitD levels can cause anxiety depression so there’s preventative stuff but no one bothers!
@@Yazzie101 I think it’s a dangerous narrative to suggest that psychotic individuals are somehow at fault for not preventing their debilitating symptoms
It's been proven that the younger someone is when they start using it, the longer they use it, the more chance they have of developing cannabis induced psychosis. It's because young people's brains haven't developed fully yet.
I can personally attest to both of those. Smoked dope from 14 & then at 25 had a psychotic episode. All clean now, but I have agoraphobia & severe anxiety & depression. Never see the sun 😔 so on Vit D.
..and this is why 'govt plc' are intending to Legalise the stuff while banning old fashioned smoking Tobacco ..-they want to create messed-up future generations . . .!
@@sparklingwater1430Everyone is responsible for their own shyt. Druggies inducing various illnesses to themselves most of all.
One of my neighbours who lived 8 doors down from me had schizophrenia. One day, he just decided to stop taking his meds. He made a nonsensical live Facebook feed, then a few hours later killed his neighbour because he complained about the music. Another neighbour had a heart attack and died upon witnessing the killing which was by all accounts horrific. The guy was originally from Bulgaria I think. I had no idea who he was. It's scary knowing that these people could be practically living on your doorstep.
That was horrible. I can understand how you feel. My neighbour has psychiatric illness too. She's from Poland. Policemen have visited the house God Knows how many times this year. Recently she was non-compliant with her medication and on one calm afternoon, she was chased by a few officers. She has young children. Feel kinda sad to think about it, but her husband seems like a nice man. Now, my neighbour is detained under MHA and I have not seen her for almost a month now.
Why'd you have to add "from Bulgaria" to this man? You turned a quite harrowing post into something that sounds like it could be a xenophobic rant. I do this myself sometimes and I have to stop myself because it's insinuating that this is a problem that only happens in non-English people
@@CosmicSky567 Well she won't be able to stab anyone to death while she's locked up. There's the answer. Lock them up - for the safety of other people. Don't just let them loose in the community
@@lwo7736No it's not. It's just a fact. That is where he was from. Stop projecting and yes, give us the facts.
Tax the rich and feed the poor services!
That’s such a dumb comment
This country is an utter disgrace in many many ways....
I know what you mean. I never thought I would see the US fall so low. We are morally decadent. And we are governed by foreigners, Bolsheviks and people that hate us.
Come to leyton and Leytonstone, they have let all the crazy people out. You cant even go tescos in piece without someone kicking off. Absolute disgrace
After working in this area of mental healthcare I will say the general public has no idea of the miscommunication & high risk to everyone. 😢
He should have been sectioned and never allowed out . Too late now but they are usually forced and injected with the medication if they are not taking it. Why was he allowed to continue to get out of hospital ? 😢heartbreaking
Costs money and tablets are cheap in comparison.
Reduction in beds , it’s hard since the government closed large hospitals and sold off the land for housing.
My local mental health hospital was originally under a Covenant to be used as such, what happened they closed it , left it unattended , it fell into disrepair then it “ burnt “, down. What to do now as the covenant no longer exist. Housing 🤦🏾♀️.
Mental health has ALWAYS been the Cinderella of Nursing, push the people that are suffering as out of sight equal out of mind.
He was so mentally ill I can't believe he was let out.
Follow the money
@@mjl2904 that’s the best we can do I suppose
There's been funding cuts for mental health under the tories for 14 years.
I feel sorry for the victims but the tories cuts made him fall through the cracks
@@roseanncampbell3168 it's been way more than 14 years. Remember the whole "care in the community" debacle? The mental health support and treatment systems in this country have never recovered. Decades of Tory butchery, and no redress under Maggie's favourite, Tory Blair.
@@roseanncampbell3168there's no money left in our medical care systems in any of the western countries!!
I said these doctors have blood on there hands years ago now finally its coming out this is just one case of so many
Nhs dont seem to u derstand that depressed mental health patients arent in the right mindset to be organised to take meds. So easy to lie about anything , when youre on meds you cant get up the same, let alone keep a diary and routine...
I hope Labour will increase funding for mental health services
@AnonAnonUK2024 yes I hope the best for your loved ones
Don't hold your breath....
Ironic how Andrew is not held to account
Increase it? They’ve been increasing for how many years? What happened with extra funding? More woke, narcissism and courses to train doctors how to look for pregnant men and how to ask men if they may be pregnant
Your basically giving narcassits more power
What’s wrong with u Englis?
@@scentsoftravelmeditation have you taken your meds today?
Was he ever tested for use of illegal drugs?
My thoughts also.....many individuals in psychosis have a dual diagnosis of addictions, anti psychotic drugs become less effective.
Very sad state this country is in.
Violent schizophrenics should be kept in custody.
Those of us who dealt with the severely mentally ill warned of this when the Tories began closing the Secure Units in the 80s. But successive governments have continued to do it and the NHS managers have also failed to ensure sufficient beds are available. There are many more who have died because they could not get the care even when they asked for it.
massive failings i feel sorry for the families that their love ones have been murdered awful case my thoughts are with them and sending them my love
We used to have hospitals for mental health. Need to bring back mental health secure units to keep them from the public. Putting people with serious mental health issues into care in the community is a proven mistake. I used to work in a mental health unit - I would not want to meet one of them on the street...of think that they could be managed by a community team - there are people who cannot be allowed to be free to be in the community..
If I were you, just stay away from Camden Town, and a 3 mile radius from there.. In my experience of witnessing toxic behavior, that's where most of these mental cases live and socialize.
@@elizabethsamson5591 There are secure units. Institutions are not effective and condemning people to life long lockup is far from appropriate in the vast majority of cases. Psychology and medication had come along way, and in fact, is the reason we got rid of permanent lockup.
@@AnthonyD-yy2in Interesting. My sisters friend moved her Somali sons/family to Turkey from Camden cause too many stabbings there 🤦🏽♀️ the youth need help
He should be in a secure unit within a Mental health hospital! The problem of cause is that they closed all the mental health asylums in this country down in favour of care in the community! We said it wouldn't work at the time but no-one would listen and look where we are now !
4 talking heads without a clue to share between them.
Risk can fluctuate! They may as present as no risk but it may not stay static!
The headline cases are always the patients who do terrible harm to others, but how many untreated patients are a risk to themselves? It's still tragic. Are suicidal and self-harming patients easier to ignore?
At least they aren't hurting an innocent person or child or baby!!! Those people are much worse!!
@@lynettefinnigan9540 true, but they are suffering just as much with Mental Health problems, and deserve help.
@@lynettefinnigan9540 by your logic a person with Mental Health issues who self harms isn't also an innocent?
Exactly,its always these headline cases which are of course tragic but there are thousands upon thousands failed and do harm to themselves which way outnumbers those that do harms like this.
The vast majority of patients with this illness are more at risk from others than they are to anyone else.
My husband's twin sister was a manic deprive she was sectioned because she wanted to end her life,while in the unit she tried to hang herself she got scissors twice to harm herself ,to top it off the nurse let her go for a walk even though she was sectioned a few hours later someone noticed there was something hanging on the scaffolding that was my husbands twin.this happend 15 years ago.
Parents should be held responsible for thier children
but he is a grown adult
As a x carer I know some clients did not take ,refused thier medication no one listened.
Well Done, Dr Das... you were as insightful here as you are on your YT Channel 👏🏾👏🏾
Terrible !!! The doctors the system the GOv have to be accountable
Doctors who believed him should be looked at carefully. Were I a doctor, I would be skeptical on steroids. ESPECIALLY if he had prior incidents.
Maybe if we stopped diagnosing everyone with some mental health disorder when in fact it’s just normal life (eg anxiety), we could focus on the real problems like Calocane
The problem is lack of accountability from the top down.
Cannabis is the reason why he was in that state and taking away his own responsibility and blaming everyone else is the problem. There have been many cases of people from African descent who have been in a state of psychosis due to cannabis.
PUBLIC CAN'T STOP UNSEEN DANGERS COMING , But Seems We Have Problem Defending Against Seen & Coming Dangers,
what if the act was reversed 🤔
Trish stop butting in so rude 😮😮😮😮
I snog my dog every day , we been married for 22 years .
Why has this taken so long, before anyone has spoken about it !!!!!! .It's a bit late now 😢
Its really annoying that Richard keeps trying to ask Dr Das questions and Trisha keeps butting in and he doesn't get to answer. Why ask experts on then limit their abilty to provide us with the information? Never liked Trisha, far too egotistical
His mother was a registered nurse.
and
Life is spiritual. Even the mind is a spiritual entity. Have you ever seen your mind? Have you ever seen a person without a body? These are complex topic. Some of our professional are under pressure and depressed themselves.Can a blind lead a blind? May The Holy Spirit give us understanding.
The UK thinks it’s all sunshine and rainbows and people like this only exist on the movies. The UK is gullible!
Who are responsible ? It "understandable" so its okay ?? ... REALLY ??
The NHS is not fit for purpose. We need to copy a successful health care system like Germany. Start with the smaller health trusts and gradually the whole country. Bring in experts from Germany to do it.
He is not the first and will be not the last . NHS is tooo bad🙈
Sooner or later nations will notice that Uk is a nation of Lunatics
The British passport will then be sold as cheap wipes in markets
Andrew supported austerity and cuts. Blood is on his hands too
Look at their eyes. Don't bother about what they say.
It’s underresourced due to an overpopulation and poor salaries in the industry.
Its very very sad ❤
How interesting it is that no one is talking about the Heroic Muslim immigrant from yesterday..
@@ru76224 Please don't make an issue out of it. As a muslim myself, we believe that any good deeds definitely will not go unnoticed by GOD even no one recorded or shared it on social media. Chill out, ok? 😅
Amen
@@CosmicSky567
However, it was recorded.. and it was shared.
Do you have anything insightful to share..
Muslims have been frightened for over 2 weeks and this is just one prime example that very beautifully highlights that Muslims and also immigration is not the problem they want you to believe.
_wake up, don't be a sheep._
On an article about something non related? 😂 get a grip, lad.
But yes, he is an absolute hero!
So he's not British. Noted.
Love Dr. Soham Das!! Mandatory medication should be in place. He should be in Prison!
My view on this is that any Schizophrenic or psychotic individual that has been instructed to take antipsychotic medication for their illness who fails to take it and then in a psychotic episode murders someone, should not be allowed to claim diminished responsibility. They had a responsibility to taoe their medication. And they willingly ignored that responsibility.
medication is not a cure it just makes them feel good, but it has horrible side effects, like making the eyes roll over, and they cannot walk they need help like a blind person.
medication does not change their thinking.
@@jameswatson5807 For autism-related reasons I've been on different antipsychotic medications myself in the past and could walk fine. I think you are referring to the extra pyramidal side effects that are possible. But in most cases that's a result of upping the doses too quickly instead of starting small and increasing slowly. And it doesn't necessarily affect someone taking them. It's just a possibility that it might affect them.
@@cultfiction3865 Nope this is common my mother and siter brother are all mental illness.
They took meds their eyes roll over, I thought with my mum the eyes rolling over was part of the illness.
But when it came to my brother years later, his eyes rolled over they told us that is a side effect.
That is common my siter does not like it makes it hard for her to walk, you have to understand these people are not in there right states.
They do not know they are sick or understand it my sister believe a evil society is created to taker her down.
so in her head she might stop taking it based on her delusion.
is that Trisha ??
YOU HAVE TO SEE WHERE THIS 12 YEAR OLD CHILD COMES FROM, TO HAVE ARRESTED HIM
Two tier judiciary
the CQC are clueless about the realities of the job in hand
Is that an excuse for his crimes?
This families should be sue the healthcare in the government
The government who used to be in power should be sued for not supporting the mental health services.
This is an indication of mental health service declining....
The poor nurse who escorted him!
2005 - 52 dead on tube train London
2013 - Lee Rigby
2017 - 4 dead on Westminster bridge
- 22 dead Manchester arena
- 8 dead London bridge
2019 - 2 dead on London bridge
2020 - 3 dead in Reading
2021 - MP David Amies dead
2023 - 1 dead in Hartelepool.
93 R.I.P.
never forget who committed these atrocities
1991 / 13 children killed by State Enrolled Nurse.
1975 to 1998 / 218 patients killed by General Practitioner.
1967 to 1987 / 12 young girls and young women killed by Lorry Driver.
243 R.I.P.
The day of the Westminster bridge attacks, I was getting discharged from St Thomas's Hospital after a month long stay on the cardiac ward. I was waiting to be picked up by my family and I decided to go for a walk to the riverside once my cannula was removed as I had been on the ward for so long. Fortunately where I was standing was not were it occurred but I was close enough to the commotion, I mainly saw police. I didn't realise the significance of the event until news coverage the day after.
he should not have been here........
There is always a rascinal explanation 😂
this hppens all the time but they pretend this is unheard of
Excellent show
The patient does here msinly negative voices and sadly the treatment is very tough snd long term damage
Wasn’t he on a student visa as well?
Born in Portugal and moved to Wales in 2007. Bright student doing Masters in Chemical Engineering. His flat mate also saw it first hand that the chap was ill.
@@Hungwe07, Born in Guinea-Bissau, moved to Portugal (Madeira) when he was 3 years old.
@@truebelief3631 Likely to be correct, his formative years were shaped in western environment. I think it is offensive and disrespectful placing emphasis on his immigrant background. The lad was sectioned 4 times; on arrest warrant ; been in and out mental health facilities for 3 years. Surely the focus should be on the multiple agencies failures and supporting the grieving families!
@@Hungwe07calling a murderer ‘lad’ 🤮
So bored of hearing about ""Anxiety & Depression""...load of cack.
He's lucky I had a mental breakdown I was a danger to myself and to others and they wouldn't even section me not that I wanted it
The systems do nothing but let people down and am not just ref mental health its all the services.
On Putin - got to put diplomatic pressure on China. Without Chinese support Putin cannot continue
Is that Harrison Ford?😮
Having mental problems brought on by the care Systerm and being black and trying to get therapy in UK isn't a easy ride, Am with merseycare with BPD and ptsd 20 years plus no therapy I was born here uk and it's service are racist Systerm. You no it I no it,
Maybe install stop and search for knives
we need a huge investment in preventative care across the board. cant just wait till people are physically and mentally at breaking point. its more expensive and it pushes people t get worse t get help. by which point they have lost faith in the help and systems and dont engage as much
They have to go back,
Our Celtic race is not a passport.
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NO BODY GET IN 15 MINUTE TIME TO EXPLAIN BUY PHONE ,AND RECIVE HELP FROM TERAPIT
Mh risk assessment can be very tough if they r insightful
NHS is too big and got the wrong kind of people that work in it.We need private integration within the NHS and at the same time cancel the employment made by the NHS of which they can employ a limit to part timers only
Which US medical insurance firm paid you to type this garbage?
Not being bad I seen this nut case on the street .. Thought he was on drugs .. Glade I kept my distance .. Moved out off the area .. Karma ..
Was the guy young or old. And what race was he
Sometimes, the society and government institutions make the parent handicapped by restricting discipline requirements without creating a balance between discipline and disorder and disproportionate punishment of a child.
Why was he dumped on our country.
Why were he and his family in UK? If they'd stayed in Africa, none of this would have happened.
Mental health doesn't discriminate. There are plenty of Valdo's out there, his ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Behave!
This just stinks of victim blaming.
Get the stutterer off air!
Is that a black kate garraway 😂😂. Starmer dropped the ball by calling anyone protesting the children’s deaths Far Right in some peoples eyes. A LOT of people feel that way, although I know GMB have their own agenda. Richard is so detached, it has got traction but we will have ti wait 4 years for it to play out.
Thats were your wrong its not the first thing they think about blood on there hands there first thought sorry to say is thinking of a way of passing the buck or even hiding the facts because they are people who must be scared of these patients so there first thought is getting out of this situation like any honest person would say if there job wasn't on the line
This is what happens when you turn your back on the Living God.
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No you have this all wrong its Valdo that has blood on his hands - nobody else.
Black is always innocent.
so if some one spiked your drink with a drugs, and you went off a violent rampage. Is the blood on your hands or the person who spike the drink.
@@jameswatson5807 The worst analogy ever bro. But the blood would still be on your hands both literally and figuratively.
Has Trisha had facelift she looks very different
Okay but he knew what he was doing ? he sent texts to his family saying what he was going to he PLANNED it he knew fell what what he was doing at the time I really don't get how he got away with playing the mental health card how much more proof do you need someone's aware of what they are doing than actual written evidence ?
so you are an expert on mental health, you have this idea just because you are mad you cannot us ethe phone.
You cannot act this he was in and out of the mad house, there is no way you want to be in there for 6 months and over and over.
@@jameswatson5807 texting your brother saying your about to do something bad sorry ? yes that to me proves he knew what he was doing and wasnt in a deluded state clearly knows what he was about to do was wrong and said sorry to his family before carrying out the act hes thinking clear enough why are you supporting a guy rhat stabbed 2 teens and an elderly man and hit 2 others with a car ? your sick bud you cant tell me its okay to do all that then go oppsie i was insane at the time