Doesnt even make sense for them to argue that way, if they dont want it then don't get it. It's like getting angry at buying a mars bar when you wanted a twix. Mfer dont buy a mars bar then!
I doubt anyone can relate to this unless they are facing constant pain and suffering or someone close to them is going through it.. for the younger people that simply don't want to live anymore, and I feel for them, because I went through a long phase of that myself, years ago - what could I add to the discussion? I WANT to say, Hold on, things will be better when you are older, but will they? It's not something you can promise, or even suggest - but I don't think government should stick their noses into it, especially with the kind of weirdos currently in politics - and the greediness of the billionaires trying to buy the whole world and make us do their bidding..
"If I was a politician I’d be bringing my religion into it” …thank goodness you are not. Religion has no place in law making, I respect your right to believe in imaginary friends but how dare anyone make me live, or die , according to your fairytales
@Brianoriordon . I didn’t say anything of the sort … I was responding to the quote by the lady who rang in and said that SHE would make it about her religion .. I don’t think it’s all about religion by any stretch ... there are powerful arguments on both sides that have nothing to do with religion , my contention is we hear them all and that the religious aspect should not be present when it comes to making laws that affect everyone.
Its not just about you. This is not about a right to suicide, its about dragging other people into it because you are too cowardly to do it yourself. It may have dreadful psychological impact on those that take part. Its utterly selfish.
I don't have a terminal illness but I do have terrible arthritis in my hips. If it got to the point I couldn't bear it anymore or the drugs weren't working I would choose this option.
This is amazing news, I believe it's the kindest thing for the individual who has no control over their life-shortening illness. I worked in palliative care/end-of-life watching people you care about suffer in the most undignified way, family and friends watching this very painful process. My late father died of cancer and he did not want to suffer, I sat with this wonderful very proud man until he went on his next journey. I want men and women like my dad to have that choice, that control over the quality of your life.
If you reason that death is part of the cycle of life, death is much easier to talk about and make sense of. Everybody should be able to make their own mind up when to die, regardless.
No one has the right to tell someone else how to live, the same is for the reverse. I watched my Grandad suffer for a year not knowing where he was and who he was and not recognizing his own family. I welcome any change in the law and can't understand any opposition.
It’s dangerous… I see they have put major clauses in and I watched my mother suffer for a yr with cancer and go from a reasonably chubby lady to a skeleton with skin…my partner said to the doctor ‘if that was a dog laying there you wld be prosecuted’…he agreed and was visibly upset and said I’m sorry but my hands are tied… so I’m half way but that sort of power over life and death is scary
I have seen grandparents go through similar but how can you only be halfway? Sorry but seriously what is wrong with you? If you have seen that you know what is right and wrong if you are a normal caring human being.
Guys - you did timestamps for like 2 episodes - if you put them on I will listed to sections I am interested in. If you don't, I'm just not going to bother listening at all. Don't be lazy and do it.
Id vote yes yes yes! My wife just passed from esphagus cancer. Its not pleasant at all! Id challenge anyone to see what the end is like and still say no to this .
It's about freedom of choice, that's ultimately it. People should have a right to choose what to do with their body, and to choose to not suffer anymore and to pass in a humane way, rather than by suicide or prolonged pain. If you don't like that or want to do that, that's 100% okay, but not everyone is you, so they should have a right to make that choice. It's just like the abortion argument.
This is the same as abortion.. it's not really your choice... you don't abort your own baby and someone else also has end your life.. so it's alot more complex than just " it's my choice" I understand the option needs to be there in certain cases.. But it's very hard for the medical practitioners.
I am most impressed by the response of disabled people who are terrified by the passing of the bill. Liz Carr's comment, I paraphrase, that sometimes our lawmakers should be aware of the need to protect us from ourselves. So moving.
as a disabled person, i am deeply deeply worried for my future. why are we making it easier for disabled and ill people to die, than it is for them to live in peace?
@@thomaswikstrand8397 Please respect the point of view of the disabled and elderly. I am 88 have a serious heart condition and prostate Cancer. I am fortunate to have close and loving family and friends. Not everyone is that lucky and I know pressure will be applied and in particular the disabled are at risk. Have a look at what Liz Carr has to say and try walking in her shoes.
You silly alarmist, nothing about this bill applies to you. Nothing at all. Its the terminally ill not the disabled nor the elderly. STOP PUSHING SCARE TACTICS.
I have long believed in Euthanasia , I am a 78 year old Australian whose 77 year old wife had been suffering from vascular dementia for around 5 years, she was constantly in Hospital with, strokes, heart attacks and COPD infections. Earlier this year she was once more admitted to hospital for an operation from which she never fully recovered and after discussion with several of the Hospital staff I finally decided on Palliative Care to prevent further distress to my Dear Wife. I must admit that my knowledge of this type of care was very limited but after being present for a period of 4 days I watched my Wife slowly stop breathing and peacefully pass away. I suppose what I am trying to say is that Doctors already perform a slow form of Euthanasia to prevent pain and suffering with or without religious opposition, and I still believe that nobody has the right to interfere in other people’s end of life decisions. I would like to add that as a couple we both made the decision beforehand that we would allow each other to end our lives in dignity.
I, 55, having just recently survived cancer, live in a German British family and we talk about euthanasia freely as a couple and with family and friends, and I have yet to meet a person being adamantly against it these days. I remember much less openness when I was a youth at school and we discussed it in class in religious instruction in the light of the debate being brought up in Germany by Elisabeth Kübler Ross. Having more medical insight into suffering through education and personal experience we are capable to be much more empathetic and kind with the dying. To me personally euthanasia should be a human right, like life is, as dying can be so very long and brutal.
But doesn’t “your” Bible categorically forbid suicide? 🤨 And we all know where people who commit suicide go to in the afterlife, don’t we? Or do you prefer to just bury your head in the sand regarding this “uncomfortable” reality?
@@Salman_Sahothat's of course pure fiction. The very thought that people's delusions should condemn me or someone I love to needless, outdraw suffering is frankly infuriating.
As long as they prove beyond reasonable doubt they are of sound mind and there family of government can't make the decision for them then it should be their call .
Audrey Parker telling her story on the Sickboy Podcast changed my mind and put the needle firmly into the pro-assisted dying state of mind. Great listen.
'Rage against the dying of the light', if you so wish when you are younger, but welcome the ability to voluntarily turn the light switch off at the time of your choosing.
I think the ones against this are ones who have never experienced or watched someone suffer at the end of. They’re being idealist. I see them in hospital all the time. Families who think death happens like the films and then struggle with the reality. It changes their opinions on this at the bedside and the most hardened will ask us to help speed things up. We can’t and don’t so they suffer
When people say it's the right to choose what they really mean is the right for assisted death, doctors should not be allowed to authorise it and medical intervention should have no government interference and not in this country, it should be due to a no prosecution status.
Whether or not Haigh was badly advised in interview or in pleading guilty in court, she was given a conditional discharge. The effect is to completely rehabilitate after 12 months as though it hadn’t occurred for most purposes. Starmer should have defended her
Your life is the only thing that is truly yours. If you want to forfeit it then you should be allowed, or else even your life isn’t yours. Where is the sense n making someone live that doesn’t want to when we suffer with so many overpopulation issues. I always thought this when a nurse and caring for patients who were always trying to suicide, some of them were just asking for help but some of them it was obviously real and i always believed they should be allowed to do it humanely. In the icu we always say that there comes a time when we are no longer extending someone’s life but extending their death, once we pass that threshold we need to decide of its the right thing to do. This is no different
🌹 The unparalleled arrogance of anyone to think the issue of assisted death is debatable at all is so human. As with abortion rights, autonomy is not negotiable to any degree. Only the religious who believe the universe was created especially for them approach the same level of hubris.
That's a simplification of the issue. Autonomy is not the be all end all argument. If it was, they'd be no reason to limit abortion to 24 weeks, assisted suicide to the terminally Ill etc.
@@jourdanimmanuel7886 🌹Your atrocious grammar aside, your premise that existing restrictions negate the sanctity of autonomy is ludicrous. The fact that bad legislation has been placed upon these issues already does not validate them other than in the minds of those who wish to control others. Tread carefully here as you are tempting the worst of the seven deadly sins.
@@AlanisRae001 They don't negate it. They simply imply a more complex matter that can't be reduced to slogans such as 'My body my choice'. I'm in favour of assisted dying, but grow tired of the sheer laziness of social discourse, and the rudeness of people such as yourself.
If I was in constant pain and the loss of physical control of my body, that would last for the last year or two of my life, I would want the freedom to chose, but this should be limited and not that you are having a bad day.
@@brianferguson7840Might have helped if you and those like you would have, you know, not undermined the man at literally every step, through slander, lies and deception. Just an idea.
Me (50, living in bedsit) how are you mum? Under the weather? It aint guna get any easier! Do you really want carry on like this? Here. Drink this down.
It isn't and won't be that simple. You surely know it, yet you act as if you don't. As an adult, try using an adult arguement to your choice or opinion, not the childish one you proffered.
I’m so two sided on this topic! So first I believe in freedom and who am I to tell someone what they can’t do in regards to they’re own existence; on the other hand statistically there are going to be people conned into it!!!
In Canada there is an argument that it has been made too lenient. Honestly? To me, the people arguing this are religious people who have a fundamental belief that such a thing is wrong or sinful, which, to me, it boils down to the same argument for abortions, leave it for the medical professionals and the patients to discuss. If you are personally against this, then YOU don’t do it, don’t forbid anyone else that doesn’t share the same beliefs as you
@ I see what your saying but I’m not at all religious! But I’m dubious about this as per my above message I also see abortion as what it is; which is the killing of a child! Again I’m not religious
Yes, you are against it, don’t have one, that is your opinion. I am agreeing with you that this is a valid opinion. Don’t take it away from the people who don’t agree with you, how hard it is to understand that?
People forget about Depressionen... a lot of depressed People would opt to delete themselves state funded... its horrific... on the other hand illness like cancer the patient should ve able to decide when to Die...
And lets face it... to spare money the state would probably run ads for depressed people to delete themselves... the state is NOT your friend its your Boss...
As has been said , depression is a killer now. At worst, it is like ALS of the mind. Why would it be ok to let severely depressed ppl for whom meds don't help, be left to suffer endlessly ?
The right decision. Leave the religious nutters to it.
Doesnt even make sense for them to argue that way, if they dont want it then don't get it. It's like getting angry at buying a mars bar when you wanted a twix. Mfer dont buy a mars bar then!
An astonishingly arrogant and ignorant comment. There were loads of religious people who supported it and many atheists who didn't. So, so arrogant
@@stephenmurray2851 But you would agree that the main organised opposition was from religious groups
@@andrew30m Any evidence of this?
@@stephenmurray2851 loads. Just google religion and euthanasia
I doubt anyone can relate to this unless they are facing constant pain and suffering or someone close to them is going through it.. for the younger people that simply don't want to live anymore, and I feel for them, because I went through a long phase of that myself, years ago - what could I add to the discussion? I WANT to say, Hold on, things will be better when you are older, but will they? It's not something you can promise, or even suggest - but I don't think government should stick their noses into it, especially with the kind of weirdos currently in politics - and the greediness of the billionaires trying to buy the whole world and make us do their bidding..
"If I was a politician I’d be bringing my religion into it” …thank goodness you are not. Religion has no place in law making, I respect your right to believe in imaginary friends but how dare anyone make me live, or die , according to your fairytales
How patronising. Respect for people is at the very heart of this debate.
@Brianoriordon . I didn’t say anything of the sort … I was responding to the quote by the lady who rang in and said that SHE would make it about her religion .. I don’t think it’s all about religion by any stretch ... there are powerful arguments on both sides that have nothing to do with religion , my contention is we hear them all and that the religious aspect should not be present when it comes to making laws that affect everyone.
@@brianoriordan7281 If you believe in fairy tales. You deserve to be patronized.
@@Khalkara this is where I'm at right now. why should we have to put up with this make believe when they can't even prove it.
Its not just about you. This is not about a right to suicide, its about dragging other people into it because you are too cowardly to do it yourself. It may have dreadful psychological impact on those that take part. Its utterly selfish.
I'm proud of us as a country for making a grown up decision and not a little bit surprised. Well done MPs
I don't have a terminal illness but I do have terrible arthritis in my hips. If it got to the point I couldn't bear it anymore or the drugs weren't working I would choose this option.
This is amazing news, I believe it's the kindest thing for the individual who has no control over their life-shortening illness.
I worked in palliative care/end-of-life watching people you care about suffer in the most undignified way, family and friends watching this very painful process.
My late father died of cancer and he did not want to suffer, I sat with this wonderful very proud man until he went on his next journey.
I want men and women like my dad to have that choice, that control over the quality of your life.
I think it may be right for some people.,but they're not voting out of compassion... They just don't want to pay the pensions.
If you reason that death is part of the cycle of life, death is much easier to talk about and make sense of. Everybody should be able to make their own mind up when to die, regardless.
No one has the right to tell someone else how to live, the same is for the reverse.
I watched my Grandad suffer for a year not knowing where he was and who he was and not recognizing his own family. I welcome any change in the law and can't understand any opposition.
We are told how to live every single day
No one is telling me how to live.
Why is it so different for you? @philm7213
@@philm7213No one is telling me how to live.
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Post #5 No one is telling me how to live.
It’s dangerous… I see they have put major clauses in and I watched my mother suffer for a yr with cancer and go from a reasonably chubby lady to a skeleton with skin…my partner said to the doctor ‘if that was a dog laying there you wld be prosecuted’…he agreed and was visibly upset and said I’m sorry but my hands are tied… so I’m half way but that sort of power over life and death is scary
I have seen grandparents go through similar but how can you only be halfway? Sorry but seriously what is wrong with you? If you have seen that you know what is right and wrong if you are a normal caring human being.
Guys - you did timestamps for like 2 episodes - if you put them on I will listed to sections I am interested in. If you don't, I'm just not going to bother listening at all. Don't be lazy and do it.
Americans are not comfortable talking about death, either. We all need to be able to open up and talk about it. Afterall, it is inevitable!
this is not the proper kind of death
No people should decide on their own especially if terminal illness or chronic pain is involved @NotStanley-td5nn
@@NotStanley-td5nnbut dying in agony is?
@@NotStanley-td5nn
What _is_ a "proper" death?
@@NotStanley-td5nn Who is to say what is the "proper death"? I believe it is whatever it is for the individual.
Id vote yes yes yes! My wife just passed from esphagus cancer. Its not pleasant at all! Id challenge anyone to see what the end is like and still say no to this .
Are Labour classing their decision to cut Winter Fuel payments to pensioners, as part of their 'Assisted Dying' bill?
It's about freedom of choice, that's ultimately it. People should have a right to choose what to do with their body, and to choose to not suffer anymore and to pass in a humane way, rather than by suicide or prolonged pain. If you don't like that or want to do that, that's 100% okay, but not everyone is you, so they should have a right to make that choice. It's just like the abortion argument.
This is the same as abortion.. it's not really your choice... you don't abort your own baby and someone else also has end your life.. so it's alot more complex than just " it's my choice" I understand the option needs to be there in certain cases.. But it's very hard for the medical practitioners.
I am most impressed by the response of disabled people who are terrified by the passing of the bill. Liz Carr's comment, I paraphrase, that sometimes our lawmakers should be aware of the need to protect us from ourselves. So moving.
as a disabled person, i am deeply deeply worried for my future. why are we making it easier for disabled and ill people to die, than it is for them to live in peace?
It's also not your business. There is no discussion on involuntary "euthanasia", for crying out loud.
@thomaswikstrand8397 not what i said.
@@thomaswikstrand8397 Please respect the point of view of the disabled and elderly. I am 88 have a serious heart condition and prostate Cancer. I am fortunate to have close and loving family and friends. Not everyone is that lucky and I know pressure will be applied and in particular the disabled are at risk. Have a look at what Liz Carr has to say and try walking in her shoes.
You silly alarmist, nothing about this bill applies to you. Nothing at all. Its the terminally ill not the disabled nor the elderly. STOP PUSHING SCARE TACTICS.
It is simply another option. I'm more worried about Hisashi Ouchi situations happeing.
I don't want to make any decision on this serious topic except to say let's listen to everyone many times over. With caution.
I have long believed in Euthanasia , I am a 78 year old Australian whose 77 year old wife had been suffering from vascular dementia for around 5 years, she was constantly in Hospital with, strokes, heart attacks and COPD infections. Earlier this year she was once more admitted to hospital for an operation from which she never fully recovered and after discussion with several of the Hospital staff I finally decided on Palliative Care to prevent further distress to my Dear Wife. I must admit that my knowledge of this type of care was very limited but after being present for a period of 4 days I watched my Wife slowly stop breathing and peacefully pass away. I suppose what I am trying to say is that Doctors already perform a slow form of Euthanasia to prevent pain and suffering with or without religious opposition, and I still believe that nobody has the right to interfere in other people’s end of life decisions. I would like to add that as a couple we both made the decision beforehand that we would allow each other to end our lives in dignity.
I, 55, having just recently survived cancer, live in a German British family and we talk about euthanasia freely as a couple and with family and friends, and I have yet to meet a person being adamantly against it these days. I remember much less openness when I was a youth at school and we discussed it in class in religious instruction in the light of the debate being brought up in Germany by Elisabeth Kübler Ross. Having more medical insight into suffering through education and personal experience we are capable to be much more empathetic and kind with the dying. To me personally euthanasia should be a human right, like life is, as dying can be so very long and brutal.
But doesn’t “your” Bible categorically forbid suicide? 🤨 And we all know where people who commit suicide go to in the afterlife, don’t we? Or do you prefer to just bury your head in the sand regarding this “uncomfortable” reality?
@@Salman_Sahothat's of course pure fiction. The very thought that people's delusions should condemn me or someone I love to needless, outdraw suffering is frankly infuriating.
As long as they prove beyond reasonable doubt they are of sound mind and there family of government can't make the decision for them then it should be their call .
Audrey Parker telling her story on the Sickboy Podcast changed my mind and put the needle firmly into the pro-assisted dying state of mind. Great listen.
James O'brien is absolutely sound with all his comments today.
He invariably is.
Notwithstanding the accumulation of Farridge Supporters that usually hover like malevolent hornets.
'Rage against the dying of the light', if you so wish when you are younger, but welcome the ability to voluntarily turn the light switch off at the time of your choosing.
I think the ones against this are ones who have never experienced or watched someone suffer at the end of. They’re being idealist. I see them in hospital all the time. Families who think death happens like the films and then struggle with the reality. It changes their opinions on this at the bedside and the most hardened will ask us to help speed things up. We can’t and don’t so they suffer
When people say it's the right to choose what they really mean is the right for assisted death, doctors should not be allowed to authorise it and medical intervention should have no government interference and not in this country, it should be due to a no prosecution status.
Thank you James.!!
Its a big step in yhe wrrong direction.
Whether or not Haigh was badly advised in interview or in pleading guilty in court, she was given a conditional discharge. The effect is to completely rehabilitate after 12 months as though it hadn’t occurred for most purposes. Starmer should have defended her
Your life is the only thing that is truly yours. If you want to forfeit it then you should be allowed, or else even your life isn’t yours. Where is the sense n making someone live that doesn’t want to when we suffer with so many overpopulation issues. I always thought this when a nurse and caring for patients who were always trying to suicide, some of them were just asking for help but some of them it was obviously real and i always believed they should be allowed to do it humanely. In the icu we always say that there comes a time when we are no longer extending someone’s life but extending their death, once we pass that threshold we need to decide of its the right thing to do. This is no different
James obrien dying to be right all the time 🕰️
Poor little leftie
Please write the different topics in the caption
Let nature decide
Nah
6:56 lets hope...bit of an understatement, definitely not for these cases!
🌹 The unparalleled arrogance of anyone to think the issue of assisted death is debatable at all is so human. As with abortion rights, autonomy is not negotiable to any degree. Only the religious who believe the universe was created especially for them approach the same level of hubris.
That's a simplification of the issue. Autonomy is not the be all end all argument. If it was, they'd be no reason to limit abortion to 24 weeks, assisted suicide to the terminally Ill etc.
@@jourdanimmanuel7886 🌹Your atrocious grammar aside, your premise that existing restrictions negate the sanctity of autonomy is ludicrous. The fact that bad legislation has been placed upon these issues already does not validate them other than in the minds of those who wish to control others. Tread carefully here as you are tempting the worst of the seven deadly sins.
@@AlanisRae001 They don't negate it. They simply imply a more complex matter that can't be reduced to slogans such as 'My body my choice'.
I'm in favour of assisted dying, but grow tired of the sheer laziness of social discourse, and the rudeness of people such as yourself.
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Embarrassing
It passed.
O'Brein voted for assisted crying, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
weak tbh
@@dooda77penn19 OTF😂👍
Kindly leave the stage.
Rise of the false Gods
@@simonspeedo8122 Thor will destroy the false gods soon enough have no fear.
There are no gods ...
@brigidsingleton1596 for a lot of LBC thread commentators there are Woke Gods
@simonspeedo8122
I do not believe in any gods.
@@simonspeedo8122all gods are false, by definition really.
If I was in constant pain and the loss of physical control of my body, that would last for the last year or two of my life, I would want the freedom to chose, but this should be limited and not that you are having a bad day.
Well said in simple terms and you didn't bring your faith ( if you have one) into it. Brilliant.
@ believing in a sky daddy isn’t for-me especially as he would be the one causing the pain.
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21:57
James: “Sometimes I’m wrong”
Corbyn supporters: “Yes…we know”
Would that be the same Jeremy Corbyn who gave my labour party its biggest and most humiliating defeat in 80 years ?
@ no I’m talking about the Jeremy Corbyn who was smeared as an anti-Semite and still INCORRECTLY gets smeared as that by James til this day
@@brianferguson7840Might have helped if you and those like you would have, you know, not undermined the man at literally every step, through slander, lies and deception. Just an idea.
I don't agree with it.
Thanks for that Marian
Then,,,,, don't do it !
Would be worth a mention of the whole Kneecap and withholding and funding debacle that has occurred just recently
You are too quick to give Haigh a green light when her story doesn't really stand up.
Be nice if James signed up, being a delusional fool has to be hard😮😮😮😮
Can you sign up and demonstrate how it works for him?
You should know.
What an awful thing to write. Your parents did a really bad job raising you.
@@DennisMoore664 Hey at least he knows who his parents are! Unlike Jimbo.
@@jeffsimon9594 Is that a virtue?
Me (50, living in bedsit) how are you mum? Under the weather? It aint guna get any easier! Do you really want carry on like this?
Here. Drink this down.
It isn't and won't be that simple.
You surely know it, yet you act as if you don't. As an adult, try using an adult arguement to your choice or opinion, not the childish one you proffered.
I’m so two sided on this topic! So first I believe in freedom and who am I to tell someone what they can’t do in regards to they’re own existence; on the other hand statistically there are going to be people conned into it!!!
In Canada there is an argument that it has been made too lenient. Honestly? To me, the people arguing this are religious people who have a fundamental belief that such a thing is wrong or sinful, which, to me, it boils down to the same argument for abortions, leave it for the medical professionals and the patients to discuss. If you are personally against this, then YOU don’t do it, don’t forbid anyone else that doesn’t share the same beliefs as you
@ I see what your saying but I’m not at all religious! But I’m dubious about this as per my above message I also see abortion as what it is; which is the killing of a child! Again I’m not religious
@ sure, if it is your personal belief you don’t need to get involved
@ oh yes how dare I have an opinion
Yes, you are against it, don’t have one, that is your opinion. I am agreeing with you that this is a valid opinion. Don’t take it away from the people who don’t agree with you, how hard it is to understand that?
People forget about Depressionen... a lot of depressed People would opt to delete themselves state funded... its horrific... on the other hand illness like cancer the patient should ve able to decide when to Die...
And lets face it... to spare money the state would probably run ads for depressed people to delete themselves... the state is NOT your friend its your Boss...
Depression is already the biggest cause of suicide.
@Daimler-b6h and what point do you think you're making? 😂😂
As has been said , depression is a killer now. At worst, it is like ALS of the mind. Why would it be ok to let severely depressed ppl for whom meds don't help, be left to suffer endlessly ?
Listen to james obrien, then you can fall asleep
Please assist James 🚪
First