Now we need the sequel: What if Goku retained his Z intelligence in Super? Or, to make things fairer since he was always an Idiot Hero and thus only one thing would change- What if Goku didn't give Moro-73 a Senzu?
The biggest reason why Chichi was okay with training later down the road was because of Goku's death humbling her. Losing him opened her eyes. so if Goku never died there's always that possibility she may never have that character growth.
@@dreamcream3738 She felt it was bad that Goku and her were living off the Ox King's wealth + because she saw the horrors at the last DB - or first DBZ - tournament, it's not good to see your husband almost die right after you proposed to him
I feel Goku could have but he was just headstrong about Gohan doi ng it,his mind was made up to let Gohan win. You don't think he was ready for his opponents after Frieza & Namek? I think Goku couldve gone ss2 and figured it out while he was in the chamber but he didnt use it tol later. Again I say that cause he was very bent on Gohan beating Cell.
@@youraveragemachine1013 no I think he could go ss2 then,he just didnt cause of his confidence in Gohan. He literally fought Cell & was toying with Cell how do we know Goku was toying with Cell? Cause Goku told Cell theres no way Cell could beat him with his stolen fighting techniques. & he also fought Cell for GOHAN TO SEE CELLS FIGHTING STYLE so all of that let's us know that Goku was toying with Cell. But like I said,he was headstrong. & goku couldnt go train another yr cause the hyperbolic chamber back then was very limited on usage. Even when Goku and Gohan went to Corrins tower before the tournament we Know Goku didnt use all of his power for Corrin to test his powers. We know Goku taught just about everybody how to suppress their power levels. He didnt go ss2 against Cell cause he didnt want to take the spotlight. Goku wasnt fighting Cell to beat him,he fought him so Gohan could watch. It's all just a theory but it makes complete sense. Cause I say it we know Goku is a bluffer. Like when he fought Kidd Buu and he passed out so Vegeta could fight. He made us think he actually got exhausted but he didnt he fainted on purpose so Vegeta could fight. He told Kidd Buu on kai planet "I couldve beaten you when you were fat buu,but I wanted the boys to have a crack at saving the world" That's literally the same mindset he had with Gohan vs Cell. He couldve beaten Cell but he wanted Gohan to do it. Oh & Goku trained more than Gohan did in the chamber,remember he was still training while Gohan was asleep.
To me the only thing Goku really screwed up was not being straight up with Gohan during their training about the game plan. I feel like the main reason Gohan struggled with his confidence was because it was such a shock to him to consider having to defeat someone his father couldn't. Goku should have said, "Look, your ceiling is higher because of the special power you have. I'm going to train you to use that and that's how we're going to beat Cell." With a years time Gohan could have been WAY more mentally prepared than he was.
And you forget that goku Gregory and bubbles don't die either and don't have to be die in the after life and come back only for a day and train and become ssj3 and participate in the tournament and fight the fighters there and meet the other kai's too and the movie never happened either and never miss 7 years with his youngest son and and be there when he was born and meet videal too and teach goten to become ssj and fly oh and no Majin buu or vegeta
Finally someone who had understand that a SSJ don´t mean that different SSJ´s have the same amount of power at the same SSJ level. One SSJ can have much different amount of KI from another SSj. Well done, bro, well done :))
@@nickyoder16 In original Dragon Ball Z a zenkai is achieved by being near death and Cell wasn't dying after his fight with Goku. All the bean did was boost him to his original full strength
CARTHU THANK YOU FOR DOING IT, my heart just came out of my body, I remember suggesting it for you at the beginning of the year, and now I'm so excited
Cell was confident he could beat everyone on that cliffside even while exhausted and even after seeing Gohan OHKO the Cell Jrs he wasn't worried at all, implying he could do the same.
@@Storm-fg5ug considering that when he went full power he shocked even Goku and made him briefly think Gohan would lose, I'd say cell had every right to think that.
Considering cell's dna both being frieza and vegeta, a low powered cell might have gotten desperate even if he was winning and self destruct earlier events play out the same expectat for a ssj 1 gohan not having been pushed into ssj 2
What I would have changed is Goku actually dying and Gohan keeping up with his training, and the Buu saga going relatively normally except with Gohan being a lot stronger.
@@-ASTROMAGIC Gohan would have still been too cocky and played around with Super Buu. He would have been able to fight evenly against Buutenks, though, and he and Goku would fuse into Gokhan, and when Vegeta arrives, they all get absorbed and the three of them rescue Good Buu, Gotenks and Piccolo. Then once out, Gohan claps Kid Buu.
Gotta say, it's actually really refreshing hearing a perspective that actually explains why Goku had done what he had done with Cell at the tournament, instead of just regularly bashing him for his actions. Your videos are amazing man, keep up the good work.
I can agree with Cell getting a surprise kill on Goku. However, due to the goals of Akira at the time, I guarantee that Cell would also take out the senzu beans at the same time. In other words, Goku would die, just like in the canon story.
The only difference I could think of is Goku would survive and no ssj2 until around Buu saga and there MIGHT not be a ssj3 other than that no difference.
Would Goku have survived? If... Goku Survived: Goku is exhausted but so is Raditz so it’d either end in a loss on Goku’s end or a tie. Goku still dies: Loss, Piccolo ain’t doing that shit solo.
If reditz survived goku would to either the beam miss vital organs or piccolo didn't charge it up all the way and it only does massive damage not killing him goku and piccolo could probably deal with a heavily damaged reditz if not the other z fighters hunt reditz down and kill him goku and piccolo dead piccolo in hell and goku on,king kais the z fighters all die to nappa and goku beats vegeta the namek saga is much different goku and bulma go to Namek goku most likely gets less training so his power lvl is mosy likely at 70 or 80k they get to namek and die to captain ginyu and the universe gets destroyed by zeno sorry for bad typing I did this really fast
Having Goku around can make a much bigger difference, if just for the power creep. With some effort, it really could be expanded upon. But for what you were asking? Great Job!
But wait, would the cameraman's camera still break? Did the fight get broadcasted in its entirety? Even if the fighting was too fast to track, the public would have seen the slow and talking moments. Plus Cell's death. No way for Mr. Satan to claim the victory if people saw he never got back on the ring.
I realized that every mistake in Dragon Ball ends up being beneficial. Taking into account, if Goku didn't give him a senzu, Gohan wouldn't have sacrificed himself to train himself for the buu saga, therefore NOT acieving ssj3 and gohan and everyone else would have died.
Considering Cell was practically worn out from his bout with Goku, Gohan would've made short work of him without even having to go Super Saiyan 2. Or Goku could've just eaten the bean himself and murdered Cell effortlessly.
I think cell and gohan would have a way closer fight than in canon, and cell prob won't use the cell Juniors. Other than that I don't think much will change
I'm not sure why Cell was tired to begin with... he has TWO 'Infinite energy' Androids inside him at this point. He should be healed as quick as he can catch his breath... AKA Fully Healed by the time Goku throws him a bean.
Cell is fully organic, so he can't really utilize the fonts of infinite energy since they were made specifically for the Androids. Think of it like why a human can't just use electricity to nourish themselves forever without needing to rest or eat ever again.
Quick question I have after watching some of your older videos: Why'd you retire the intro animation? The one with Carthu powering up and taking a few swings? Seriously, that was quality stuff right there.
I have noticed that Salad Saiyan make What if Baby in DBS and Smugstick make What if Super Android 17 in DBS. Now I have question will Carthu's Dojo make What if Shadow Dragon in DBS.
The same shit would've happened. Gohan never wanted to fight so Cell would still absolutely torture the gang, eventually provoking Gohan to turn Super Saiyan 2.
I just realized something, Goku would probably master ssj3 at the buu saga, because of the Zenkai he got from cell “Killing” him, his body would be able to withstand ssj3 much earlier so he would probably invent a ssj3 grade four sort of thing making him significantly stronger than the original
Wouldn’t cell starts with gohan since he felt cornered by his exhaustion and the gang up and since he’s intelligent would destroy the most imminent threat and therefore open a VERY different timeline ?
Since gohan doesn't get his power unlocked in the buu saga I feel like the top would have definately gone diferently because gohan was there to alleviate a lot of the stress from goku and vegeta towards the end along with frieza defeating dyspo in the anime as well as kefla in the manga
Hey Carthu, do you think the gap would be slightly closer between Goku & Gohan because of the small zenkai received from that senzu he ate? Or it’s just doesn’t matter because it’s so wide
Yeah nothing really much chances, but Gohan is much stronger training with Goku (With him alive here.) when not studying, and Gohan possibly doesn't gets the Ultimate Form till before the TOP. Anyways another good what if, and looking forward to the next video. What if suggestion: What if Gohan went SSJ against Nappa?
@@kazeguy8869 They might not get stronger but things would still change. Goku wouldn't be able to save the zfighters losing to cell and they likely would have died. It's also possible Gohan would have tapped into ssj2 again and gotten control.
By the time Goku and Gohan left, Cell already announced Cell Games so nothing changes other than Vegeta getting in the Time Chamber later but nothing still changes after that
I feel as if most people forget that if Goku didn't give Cell the senzu bean, he would've gotten a zenkai boost from his saiyan cells and been even harder to deal with. He did his son a real favor by preventing Cell's healing factor from abusing his saiyan genetics.
Outside healing still gives saiyan's a zenkai. The entire Freiza Saga relied on the saiyan's getting beat up and either healed with senzu beans, healing tanks or dende's healing.
@@travissapienza4930 Late reply, but Senzu beans are basically like magic and just instantly repair your body back to it's peak. Healing tanks and the like just accelerate your natural healing and still give the zenkai boosts by having your body still remember the damage. Senzu beans really don't do that as they just immediately repair and reverse any damage.
@@kaiirichards9809 Then how did Vegeta go from getting destroyed by Recoome to fighting equal with form 1 freeza? He only healed after that fight from the Senzu bean Goku gave him.
@@shiningdiscretion3435 i think what the dude want tô say was, that the Cell after fight Goku(and before Gohan) would not be injuried yet but he would be a llitle tired what could give gohan's a opening to hurt him, and If this hapen then he would Steal the sensu Bean tô hinself and get a zenkai from the hurts.
giving cell a senzu is absolutely a problem ALONGSIDE misunderstanding his son, you cannot separate these things and excuse one while understanding the problem of the other, the two are intertwined.
Nope not at all. Cell was still weaker than Gohan either way. Gohan not wanting to fight would ALWAYS be the key issue. Cell being very minimally fatigued from fighting Goku doesn't make any difference really.
@@Blaze_the_cat_ carthu's scenario would never play out bc cell wasn't slightly winded he was almost as drained as goku was. So much to the point he utilized his desperation barrier right before goku quit. If Gohan is stronger than goku, then even an inexperienced ssj Gohan could have handled an exhausted cell.
Gohan still wouldn't stomp him because he doesn't have the confidence. Gohan could have beat Cell that ate the sensu in canon with just super saiyan if he had the confidence
I’d like to suggest one, but by the way of repeating certain elements of your previous what if’s, but have you ever thought of “What if Goku marries Bulma instead?”
I want a what if of Vegeta when he fought cell on his second form. What if he never gave cell an opportunity to absorb 18. How different would the events be afterwards.
I have a theory, which probably was confirmed or debunked already, that goku wanted cell at the power he fought against at when gohan fights cell because he knew gohan would win without trying as hard, but he failed to realize the zenkai boost saiyans get when they're healed after being hurt so it made cell stronger than before.
Gohan could’ve always beaten cell it’s just that Gohan doesn’t want to kill or harm yet, Gohan going all out with the intent to Kill is above Perfect Cell or Super Perfect Cell if he’s Ss2
Goku had a lot of confidence in Gohan and wanted him to have a fair fight. You may not have had that epic SS2 moment as well as that heart warming scene with 16 talking to Gohan if he didn't.
What if db or dbz Goku mastered his teachers training, involving the self movement (ultra instinct without god ki training), so basically making Goku be more focused, and having far more potential, probably being like kid buu (not sure on him copying instantaneous movement, from seeing it once, but it would be very useful if he could)
I feel like that Cell would not be as willing to toy around with Gohan if he was worn down without the Senzu - there is good chance he would have just went for the kill without the extra confidence from being healed back to full strength. And a worn down Cell was still strong enough to beat SSJ1 Gohan, he showed later he was still suppressing power and was confident in beating a healed Goku again.
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@Angel Villafane I agree
this would have been BAD
@Angel Villafane sceonario
hey carthu, can we submit requests for a "What if..." in the future?
*takes senzu from krillin*
Goku: “HEY CELL”
Cell “Yeah?”
Goku: *eats it* fuck off.
Haha nice
i read it in TFS Goku's voice.
Cell: well fuck you two
@@JeyNoct is there any other voice
Now we need the sequel:
What if Goku retained his Z intelligence in Super?
Or, to make things fairer since he was always an Idiot Hero and thus only one thing would change-
What if Goku didn't give Moro-73 a Senzu?
The biggest reason why Chichi was okay with training later down the road was because of Goku's death humbling her. Losing him opened her eyes. so if Goku never died there's always that possibility she may never have that character growth.
There's also the fact that she did have an appreciation for martial arts regardless, but she felt Goku's hyper dedication was detrimental.
@@dreamcream3738 She felt it was bad that Goku and her were living off the Ox King's wealth + because she saw the horrors at the last DB - or first DBZ - tournament, it's not good to see your husband almost die right after you proposed to him
How come she didn't get that character growth the FIRST TIME HE DIED
@@Godly_Severance cuz he was revived almost immediately. The second time tho? There were no do-overs. Dragon balls can only bring someone back once.
@@coyolord8031 He was dead for a year. 365 days. 52 weeks. 12 months.
"What? I'm only playing fair. He's tired. He's got post-Goku exhaustion." - Goku
-TFS
Dad he is going to kill me- Gohan
Hey you said it not me- Cell
Goku: Gohan finish him now
Gohan: Calm down I am pretty sure anyone with blonde hair up there could.
@@hogrider3991 oh that's, that good shit!
“Hey cell Senzu Bean”-Dbza
Gohan's biggest mistake is not realizing that he was fighting to SAVE the damn planet because his father wasn't strong enough to do it
I feel Goku could have but he was just headstrong about Gohan doi ng it,his mind was made up to let Gohan win.
You don't think he was ready for his opponents after Frieza & Namek? I think Goku couldve gone ss2 and figured it out while he was in the chamber but he didnt use it tol later. Again I say that cause he was very bent on Gohan beating Cell.
@@austin31697 you make a point,if goku focus more on his own training or maybe went back for an extra year he COULD potentially reach ssj2
@@youraveragemachine1013 no I think he could go ss2 then,he just didnt cause of his confidence in Gohan.
He literally fought Cell & was toying with Cell how do we know Goku was toying with Cell? Cause Goku told Cell theres no way Cell could beat him with his stolen fighting techniques. & he also fought Cell for GOHAN TO SEE CELLS FIGHTING STYLE so all of that let's us know that Goku was toying with Cell. But like I said,he was headstrong.
& goku couldnt go train another yr cause the hyperbolic chamber back then was very limited on usage. Even when Goku and Gohan went to Corrins tower before the tournament we Know Goku didnt use all of his power for Corrin to test his powers.
We know Goku taught just about everybody how to suppress their power levels. He didnt go ss2 against Cell cause he didnt want to take the spotlight.
Goku wasnt fighting Cell to beat him,he fought him so Gohan could watch.
It's all just a theory but it makes complete sense. Cause I say it we know Goku is a bluffer.
Like when he fought Kidd Buu and he passed out so Vegeta could fight. He made us think he actually got exhausted but he didnt he fainted on purpose so Vegeta could fight.
He told Kidd Buu on kai planet "I couldve beaten you when you were fat buu,but I wanted the boys to have a crack at saving the world"
That's literally the same mindset he had with Gohan vs Cell. He couldve beaten Cell but he wanted Gohan to do it.
Oh & Goku trained more than Gohan did in the chamber,remember he was still training while Gohan was asleep.
I would've done the same
Cell was fighting goku at 50% and even cell said he wasn't at full power
In an alternate universe it would be "What if goku gave cell a senzu bean" and the story would be exactly the same as the story in our universe
The U6 saiyans just need to get put down first.
No one in a different universe would ever ask that, though lol
@@twiceremoved7339 That's one hell of an assumption.
@@twiceremoved7339 There's what ifs about Goku using the heart virus as a weapon and Mr Satan being a saiyan, I'm pretty sure someone would of asked
Right
Android 16: By the way, I didn’t die in this what if.
TFS
@@noahhayes7041 yes
Aha tfs reference
TFS reference!
Krillin: yehhh...ehhhh.....
But then we wouldn't hear: "OH THAT'S THAT GOOD SHIT"
Lmao tfs reference
OH THAT'S THAT DEPRESSING SHIT
"Suck it kale , you bush league superfood"
OH THAT'S THAT *GOOD SHIT*
“oh that’s that good shit”
To me the only thing Goku really screwed up was not being straight up with Gohan during their training about the game plan. I feel like the main reason Gohan struggled with his confidence was because it was such a shock to him to consider having to defeat someone his father couldn't.
Goku should have said, "Look, your ceiling is higher because of the special power you have. I'm going to train you to use that and that's how we're going to beat Cell." With a years time Gohan could have been WAY more mentally prepared than he was.
King Kai and his planet are still alive. Lol
And Android 16
And you forget that goku Gregory and bubbles don't die either and don't have to be die in the after life and come back only for a day and train and become ssj3 and participate in the tournament and fight the fighters there and meet the other kai's too and the movie never happened either and never miss 7 years with his youngest son and and be there when he was born and meet videal too and teach goten to become ssj and fly oh and no Majin buu or vegeta
And most importantly... Bubbles
Bruh u spoild me u suck
@@unforgiver1516 you... watched a video full of spoilers and then get mad at a comment with spoilers?
Finally someone who had understand that a SSJ don´t mean that different SSJ´s have the same amount of power at the same SSJ level. One SSJ can have much different amount of KI from another SSj. Well done, bro, well done :))
Alternative title... "What if Goku didn't wanted to give Cell a punching bag"
The senzu didn't do much to cell, cell was barely using his full power and he was only a bit exhausted.
@@diooverheaven4317 he gets zenkis fuck u mean?
@@nickyoder16 In original Dragon Ball Z a zenkai is achieved by being near death and Cell wasn't dying after his fight with Goku. All the bean did was boost him to his original full strength
@@kazeguy8869 2 words goku black
@@nickyoder16 That's why I said Dragon Ball Z
CARTHU THANK YOU FOR DOING IT, my heart just came out of my body, I remember suggesting it for you at the beginning of the year, and now I'm so excited
Cell was confident he could beat everyone on that cliffside even while exhausted and even after seeing Gohan OHKO the Cell Jrs he wasn't worried at all, implying he could do the same.
And then he didnt
Implying he THOUGHT he could do the same
@@Storm-fg5ug considering that when he went full power he shocked even Goku and made him briefly think Gohan would lose, I'd say cell had every right to think that.
I mean that just proves how cocky he was, dude wasn't a match for Ssj2 Gohan at all
@@latima123ify he didn't stand a chance vs SSJ2 Gohan but the rest of them combined don't come close either.
People don't realize what he was doing.....he was helping Cell to have a chance to get Gohan's full potential out of him.
That's not what happened, and if it was that would only make his decision even worse.
@@johnhouston1590 that is what ending up happening
I like to think it as a taunt to Cell like Goku is saying "Even at full power you can't beat my son."
@@kazeguy8869 I mean, isn't it that ?
Like, he trust his son's potential and he knows he would be better than Cell :o
Considering cell's dna both being frieza and vegeta, a low powered cell might have gotten desperate even if he was winning and self destruct earlier events play out the same expectat for a ssj 1 gohan not having been pushed into ssj 2
What I would have changed is Goku actually dying and Gohan keeping up with his training, and the Buu saga going relatively normally except with Gohan being a lot stronger.
it would've, but from what I've heard, everyone wanted Goku to return
There’s a what if about that, called “what if Gohan kept up with his training”. But I’m not sure if you’re including this what if too.
@@-ASTROMAGIC Gohan would have still been too cocky and played around with Super Buu. He would have been able to fight evenly against Buutenks, though, and he and Goku would fuse into Gokhan, and when Vegeta arrives, they all get absorbed and the three of them rescue Good Buu, Gotenks and Piccolo. Then once out, Gohan claps Kid Buu.
@@ItzJJayy nah toriyama just felt that the story was mainly goku's story
@@young_shaad5227 Ohhh, Okay my fault
Gotta say, it's actually really refreshing hearing a perspective that actually explains why Goku had done what he had done with Cell at the tournament, instead of just regularly bashing him for his actions. Your videos are amazing man, keep up the good work.
I can agree with Cell getting a surprise kill on Goku. However, due to the goals of Akira at the time, I guarantee that Cell would also take out the senzu beans at the same time. In other words, Goku would die, just like in the canon story.
You should do what if vegeta didn’t let cell become perfect
The only difference I could think of is Goku would survive and no ssj2 until around Buu saga and there MIGHT not be a ssj3 other than that no difference.
@@monkegod3781 didn’t goku learn about fusion dance in other world?
@@br1jxp maybe he visits king Kai from time to time and learns it idk.
@@monkegod3781 yup, not impossible since he loves to go train there from time to time
Vegeta would try to fight Goku to the death and get folded
"By the way, I never died in this version."
-Android 16
@Swampy163 YT This is though.
I really liked the death beam transition to Gohan’s ssj2 transformation
Goku : *Eats the Senzu Bean*
Goku (in heart) : *Senzu Beans are gonna heal ya*
Finally this will be ontresting
Interesting*
@@lolzyay2417 No, he means ONTERESTING
@@scprez8865 ahh my bad
fr very ontresting
Ontresting
When I saw the title, all I could think was this: Goku: Hey cell, senzu bean.
Video suggestion: what if raditz survived piccolo’s special beam cannon
Would Goku have survived?
If...
Goku Survived:
Goku is exhausted but so is Raditz so it’d either end in a loss on Goku’s end or a tie.
Goku still dies:
Loss, Piccolo ain’t doing that shit solo.
If reditz survived goku would to either the beam miss vital organs or piccolo didn't charge it up all the way and it only does massive damage not killing him goku and piccolo could probably deal with a heavily damaged reditz if not the other z fighters hunt reditz down and kill him goku and piccolo dead piccolo in hell and goku on,king kais the z fighters all die to nappa and goku beats vegeta the namek saga is much different goku and bulma go to Namek goku most likely gets less training so his power lvl is mosy likely at 70 or 80k they get to namek and die to captain ginyu and the universe gets destroyed by zeno sorry for bad typing I did this really fast
He would get up and kill everyone
Having Goku around can make a much bigger difference, if just for the power creep. With some effort, it really could be expanded upon. But for what you were asking? Great Job!
what if shin was not a disappointment and actually did his job or was stronger so he wouldn't die to a pink blob
I mean he a god of creation so it’s not his job to get rid of evil
Yall forget that shin has a power level of 1million and berus is like 1,000,000,000,000,000,
@@sadriddances4578 XD
yeah but nowadays you could shin by looking at him and beerus would die
@@breeeza you could shin by looking at him
This one should be good!
Time traveler???!!!
@@zxsed9500 what?
He commented 2 hours before the vid that's why I said that
But wait, would the cameraman's camera still break?
Did the fight get broadcasted in its entirety? Even if the fighting was too fast to track, the public would have seen the slow and talking moments. Plus Cell's death. No way for Mr. Satan to claim the victory if people saw he never got back on the ring.
The visual is a step up from your previous What If's. I really enjoy your stories. 👍🏾
I realized that every mistake in Dragon Ball ends up being beneficial.
Taking into account, if Goku didn't give him a senzu, Gohan wouldn't have sacrificed himself to train himself for the buu saga, therefore NOT acieving ssj3 and gohan and everyone else would have died.
Before I actually watch this: I believe Gohan would've faired a bit better against Cell than normal, not by much.
Considering Cell was practically worn out from his bout with Goku, Gohan would've made short work of him without even having to go Super Saiyan 2. Or Goku could've just eaten the bean himself and murdered Cell effortlessly.
what are you talking about. cell barely used any power against goku. hell cell was confident that he could've beaten goku even if he got a bean
I think cell and gohan would have a way closer fight than in canon, and cell prob won't use the cell Juniors. Other than that I don't think much will change
I'm not sure why Cell was tired to begin with... he has TWO 'Infinite energy' Androids inside him at this point. He should be healed as quick as he can catch his breath... AKA Fully Healed by the time Goku throws him a bean.
Plus Piccolo's regenerative abilities.
*Bad writing.* That is why.
Cell is fully organic, so he can't really utilize the fonts of infinite energy since they were made specifically for the Androids. Think of it like why a human can't just use electricity to nourish themselves forever without needing to rest or eat ever again.
Quick question I have after watching some of your older videos:
Why'd you retire the intro animation? The one with Carthu powering up and taking a few swings?
Seriously, that was quality stuff right there.
Because it doesn't add value to the video and is just something that most people end up skipping anyway.
@@CarthusDojo Ah. Fair enough, then.
Just subscribed bro, this is very cool content I’ve always use think “what if” on this show when I was a kid. Keep it up 💯
Imagine being in the 79% not subscribed
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I dont have to imagine because i was but not anymore
Hey Carthu's Dojo.
I have noticed that Salad Saiyan make What if Baby in DBS and Smugstick make What if Super Android 17 in DBS. Now I have question will Carthu's Dojo make What if Shadow Dragon in DBS.
Wtf?? I almost had a stroke reading this.
@@Edwinthomas007 same 😂😂😂
@@Edwinthomas007 Same🤣
@@Edwinthomas007 same 🥵🥵🥵
11:27
"We will wait for the anime adaptation"
Yeah good luck guys we won't get a moro arc in his what if's for a while. Ffs.
Without buu there won't be uub so the z fighters all die.
@@diooverheaven4317 I am saying as a general thing for his what if's, he won't do the moro arc for his what if's until the anime's adaptation for it.
I like how he uses the cell from dokkan that’s a nice little touch
So watch DBZ and cube great
Tbh I personally feel like the moment cell would be overwhelmed he would legit try to kill everyone before gohan could go ssj2 but thats my opinion.
That will be very interesting I can’t wait
That was surprisingly short
The same shit would've happened. Gohan never wanted to fight so Cell would still absolutely torture the gang, eventually provoking Gohan to turn Super Saiyan 2.
I just realized something, Goku would probably master ssj3 at the buu saga, because of the Zenkai he got from cell “Killing” him, his body would be able to withstand ssj3 much earlier so he would probably invent a ssj3 grade four sort of thing making him significantly stronger than the original
Wouldn’t cell starts with gohan since he felt cornered by his exhaustion and the gang up and since he’s intelligent would destroy the most imminent threat and therefore open a VERY different timeline ?
"Gohan's voice" Stahwp it!
If I may suggest a what if:
What if végéta found Goku on Yerdrat when I left earth to look for him in the anime?
I feel like Vegeta would stay on Yardrat to ask Goku how he became a Super Saiyan and maybe learn the instant transmission
Thank you for not spoiling the Moro arc!
Or what if Goku was not able to save Vegeta in saiyan saga
Love the creativity of using Cell's finger laser beam for that crack behind Gohan
I have an idea: What If Goku Learned Force Spirit Vision.
He already did that
@@flashlightpaul1432 oh, i remember.
Since gohan doesn't get his power unlocked in the buu saga I feel like the top would have definately gone diferently because gohan was there to alleviate a lot of the stress from goku and vegeta towards the end along with frieza defeating dyspo in the anime as well as kefla in the manga
"By the way i didint die in this timeline"
I was in the live
tfs references
Chichi finding out goten trained with gohan and goku: YOU WHAT?!?!
Hey Carthu, do you think the gap would be slightly closer between Goku & Gohan because of the small zenkai received from that senzu he ate? Or it’s just doesn’t matter because it’s so wide
7:00 that was so smooth
What if: Goten and trunks trained like goku and vegeta
That’s a good what if
@@gokugaming74235 thank you
@@memo1043 no problem
then buu wouldn't be a threat once gotenks appeared
NOICE
Yeah nothing really much chances, but Gohan is much stronger training with Goku (With him alive here.) when not studying, and Gohan possibly doesn't gets the Ultimate Form till before the TOP. Anyways another good what if, and looking forward to the next video.
What if suggestion:
What if Gohan went SSJ against Nappa?
What If Goku And Vegeta Were Brothers?
Someone should do that 'what if'
Yeah they should do that
"Someone"
@Ты клоун its a catguy
Gohan: "But... but my...what about my dad?"
Krillin:"D-r-a-g-o-n B-a-l-l-s"
Shenron: “Ah, ah, ah. Can’t revive the same people twice.”
@@calvinkopp1735 twice?
Should Goku and Vegeta wear their End of Z outfits in Dragon Ball Super 2?
This was done to show cell "even though you're fully healed, you can't beat my son's ass."
What if Goku and Gohan trained the whole day in the Cell Saga?
Nothing would change Goku himself said staying in there for longer would not have been training but torture
@@kazeguy8869 They might not get stronger but things would still change. Goku wouldn't be able to save the zfighters losing to cell and they likely would have died. It's also possible Gohan would have tapped into ssj2 again and gotten control.
@@alexmcdonald2992 Goku saved Tien and piccolo before they went in.
By the time Goku and Gohan left, Cell already announced Cell Games so nothing changes other than Vegeta getting in the Time Chamber later but nothing still changes after that
you earned my like by not spoiling the moro arc thanks brotha man
if goten trained with goku and gohan for so long he should be strong enough to drastically change the story from the buu saga and even later
dude you gave me so many ideas about my what if 😀 thanks 😁
Did you forgot to make full story of Broly sent to earth instead Goku
I think this what if might change more about gohans mentality towards fighting.
The best thing in this timeline is that there is no metamoran fusion.
7:14 I was drinking water and I laughed to hard I broke my pc and choked xD
I’ve always thought about this what if and I even asked it to another UA-camr so when I saw this video I clicked instantly
You’ve got the Best what if’s
I feel as if most people forget that if Goku didn't give Cell the senzu bean, he would've gotten a zenkai boost from his saiyan cells and been even harder to deal with. He did his son a real favor by preventing Cell's healing factor from abusing his saiyan genetics.
Outside healing still gives saiyan's a zenkai. The entire Freiza Saga relied on the saiyan's getting beat up and either healed with senzu beans, healing tanks or dende's healing.
@@travissapienza4930 Late reply, but Senzu beans are basically like magic and just instantly repair your body back to it's peak. Healing tanks and the like just accelerate your natural healing and still give the zenkai boosts by having your body still remember the damage. Senzu beans really don't do that as they just immediately repair and reverse any damage.
@@kaiirichards9809 Then how did Vegeta go from getting destroyed by Recoome to fighting equal with form 1 freeza? He only healed after that fight from the Senzu bean Goku gave him.
@@travissapienza4930 Exactly that pokes a huge hole in their argument
@@shiningdiscretion3435 i think what the dude want tô say was, that the Cell after fight Goku(and before Gohan) would not be injuried yet but he would be a llitle tired what could give gohan's a opening to hurt him, and If this hapen then he would Steal the sensu Bean tô hinself and get a zenkai from the hurts.
giving cell a senzu is absolutely a problem ALONGSIDE misunderstanding his son, you cannot separate these things and excuse one while understanding the problem of the other, the two are intertwined.
Nope not at all. Cell was still weaker than Gohan either way. Gohan not wanting to fight would ALWAYS be the key issue. Cell being very minimally fatigued from fighting Goku doesn't make any difference really.
Agreed.
Answer: ssj Gohan would've curb stomped cell if he didnt eat the senzu. But no one would have went ssj2 for a long as time.
Curb stomp
I don’t think so that was the whole point of super saiyan 2
@@Blaze_the_cat_ carthu's scenario would never play out bc cell wasn't slightly winded he was almost as drained as goku was. So much to the point he utilized his desperation barrier right before goku quit. If Gohan is stronger than goku, then even an inexperienced ssj Gohan could have handled an exhausted cell.
no he wood not cell did nto sue full power on gohan tlel he wnat ssj2 cell full pwoe laone wood kill gohan
Gohan still wouldn't stomp him because he doesn't have the confidence. Gohan could have beat Cell that ate the sensu in canon with just super saiyan if he had the confidence
I’d like to suggest one, but by the way of repeating certain elements of your previous what if’s, but have you ever thought of “What if Goku marries Bulma instead?”
Would have been cool if gohan got a great power greats responsibility moment that stuck
New title: What if Goku wasn’t dumb for a second?
I want a what if of Vegeta when he fought cell on his second form. What if he never gave cell an opportunity to absorb 18. How different would the events be afterwards.
Lmao trunk had the tfs “bitch I’m adorable” pose
Thanks for not spoiling 👍
Well, Android 16 is still here.
@ImJay Nah I think Bulma removed that programming if not then I think #16 would be a training partner to Goku
Alternative title: When Goku's a good dad and Krillin's the best bro.
You said that you will explained how to make video like Carthu's Dojo
I have a theory, which probably was confirmed or debunked already, that goku wanted cell at the power he fought against at when gohan fights cell because he knew gohan would win without trying as hard, but he failed to realize the zenkai boost saiyans get when they're healed after being hurt so it made cell stronger than before.
I believe Gohan could've beaten Cell.
Gohan could’ve always beaten cell it’s just that Gohan doesn’t want to kill or harm yet, Gohan going all out with the intent to Kill is above Perfect Cell or Super Perfect Cell if he’s Ss2
@@jahmeirduncan6870 he's above super perfect cell in just ssj tbh
Goku: (Should I give it to him?)
Goku: (Nah)
Goku: Eats the senzu*
Goku had a lot of confidence in Gohan and wanted him to have a fair fight. You may not have had that epic SS2 moment as well as that heart warming scene with 16 talking to Gohan if he didn't.
I think it wouldn't change much, as while cell might be more fatigued, I don't think gohan would belive he could do it
Piccalo was being the dad gohan needed
What if db or dbz Goku mastered his teachers training, involving the self movement (ultra instinct without god ki training), so basically making Goku be more focused, and having far more potential, probably being like kid buu (not sure on him copying instantaneous movement, from seeing it once, but it would be very useful if he could)
I Have The Most Craziest What If Idea -
What If Goku, Vegeta, And Broly Were Brothers?
Then goku vegeta broly would be legendary ssj or threy wouldn’t be legendary ssj
Goku: Yoh Cell! Would You like A Senzu Bean?
Cell: Sure!
Goku NOPE! *Eats it*
UA-cam hasn't been giving me your notifications :(
I feel like that Cell would not be as willing to toy around with Gohan if he was worn down without the Senzu - there is good chance he would have just went for the kill without the extra confidence from being healed back to full strength. And a worn down Cell was still strong enough to beat SSJ1 Gohan, he showed later he was still suppressing power and was confident in beating a healed Goku again.
*reads title*
Gohan will be dominating cell in just his super saiyan form
What if goku dyed a rock green and give it to cell and he eat it?