Let's Play the Bosendorfer 280vc for Pianoteq 8 from Modartt
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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@modarttvideos continues to push the boundaries with its instrument modeling techniques bringing us stunning virtual recreations at a fraction of traditional sample libraries and preserving the dynamic and feel of responding as the acoustic instrument might.
Their latest instrument expansion for Pianoteq 8 is the renowned Bosendorfer 280 VC. The 280 VC has a wide dynamic and timbrel character, with a distinctive brightness along with the richness Bosendorfer is most known for.
The Bosendorfer 280 VC expansion REQUIRES a version of Pianoteq 8.
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This is great and is really inspiring me to learn piano. You play beautifully. Do you score for film and television by any chance? I'm thinking of grabbing Pianoteq with this Bosendorfer as I really like the character.
Bought it as soon as it was released. Though it doesn't always suit the music I play (HB Steinway D still my all-rounder), I like its character and the thunderous bass, and I'm excited to try it with some of my covers.
Your intro reminds me of Brian Culbertson btw, love it!
Thanks as always for the kind support. Brian Culbertson? OK! 😎Joyfully yours!
Simeon!! STOP IT!!! Stop 'what' you might say??!! Well... you keep convincing me to get so many AWESOME instruments!! LOL!! 😄 (What got me particularly this time? Rodgers and Hammerstein music did it!!! ) I have had Pianoteq since version 1 ... and this sound expansion for it is one of the BEST sounding, IMO.
As usual, your playing and personality are both beautiful!! Peace and blessings to you/yours. 🙂🧡
Well, you had me a little worried at first (since UA-cam only displays the comment partially) but reading the Full context I breathe a joyful sigh of relief! 😂
I am always so surprised at what is triggered when I press the keys, it is so hard to explain what happens, I am always grateful to be able to experience moments like this. Joyfully yours!
I have all of pianoteq pianos since v3 and it’s getting better and better,and this Bösendorfer I bought yet and I think it’s another step forward in the collection…very,very good…they arrived at the top among the best pianos vst
My problem with these reviews is that Simeon could make any instrument sound amazing, so it's hard to tell if I loved this Bosendofer model, or I'm just a Simeon fan. Thanks for the review.
It is indeed a pleasure. Thanks so much for watching and your kind support. Joyfully yours!
same
Nice of Sam and Janet to stop by at 6:35
(Sam & Janet Evening, I mean)
Thanks for everything, Simeon (from another Pianoteq aficionado)
Nice playing, Simeon! Sounds great.
Thanks so much Andy, I truly appreciate the kind support.
Just my guess, but Modartt likely wants to retain its advantage over VSTs by keeping their modelling simple or rather easy on PC hardware. This is great for people who use laptops or outdated systems. However, it also means they can only make slight advances in terms of sound but they can never get rid of that fundamental tinny and artificial sound. It is less noticeable when you listen to an amazing player here on youtube, but I can still hear it clearly. When I try the demo myself it makes me want to go back to my VSL Yamaha CFX VST or even the internal audio of my Kawai digital piano. I was hoping AI could help them improve this aspect but nothing happened. Maybe a "Hi-Fi" version with more complex modelling and higher spec requirements would be a nice solution? Would pay a lot of money if they could get something that sounds close to a VSL piano, even if I have to upgrade my PC.
Yes there is something artificial about the attack part of the sound. It’s unpleasant to the ear, but that’s the trade off unfortunately when you get something that plays as well as pianoteq, nothing can compete with its playability, it just responds so organically as you play it.
I always had a problem
not liking the "Attack" part of the sound
(just the very beginning part, when the hammer hits the strings).
I think the Bosendorfer Player preset has the least synthetic sounding attack out of all the models/presets, at leaat I haven't found any better Pianoteq preset yet.
I hope Pianoteq improves on the Attack more, maybe it's slowly getting there.
Hi. Thanks for you interesting review!! I have the bosendorfer on pianoteq 8.3.1 standard stand alone version and am running on a ASUS laptop (I get 1.5 ms lag so that's fine). The sound quality I get however is far less nice and 'round' than what I hear in your review. How do you get it to sound so nice. I see you use Cakewalk? Do you use that to engage the sound? Or anything else? Thanks for your help!!
Fantastic playing! I struggle setting up the velocity of my Yamaha DGX670 for piano vsts. Looking at your playing, the Casio seems to input much higher velocities. I downloaded the Pianoteq demo and even with lower velocities it sounded great compared to NIs pianos, which for me are always quiet and muffled. Would you recommend your Casio for vsts?
Is there ANYTHING on your mix bus that is affecting the sound beyond straight out of the Pianoteq plugin?
Any EQ, limiting of any kind? Your output sounds slightly colored in a flattering way that I'm not hearing here straight out of the box. Thanks 🎉
Rob, I never use any additional processing on the virtual instrument I am showcasing. I might add something like Shimmerverb, Black Hole, or other fun effect, but I will always point it out for context. I do have WAVES WLM on the master bus to help manage levels.
One of the key things is to play around with your controller velocity curves as it can make all of the difference in what is coming out of a virtual instrument, especially pianos. Thanks so much for watching.
One thing you can't get from watching or listening to a demo (which you play beautifully btw) is how it feels to actually play it...and there is just nothing quite like playing the Pianoteq in my experience. It is so expressive to the touch...just a pure joy to play. I love the new Böse...really takes it up another notch. I like your description of crunchy with a soft center - right on the money!
Jake, absolutely, and that is why having some sort of demo I think is vital when making a final decision. Some pianos that fall into more of the "character" category are more forgiving as they are more for effect instead of a straight ahead attempt to provide a real piano playing experience.
Thanks again for watching, along with the feedback. Joyfully yours!
What we can say….sounds great under the magic hands of Simeon…I bought yet and it’s a step forward from pianoteq…and I have them all ….and becomes better and better….I have pianoteq from many years,it’s been a long way….but now they become one of the best piano sounds on the market…thank you Simeon….A
Man is there anything or any style u can’t play! I love ur videos but at the same time I feel like throwing my keyboard into the nearest dumpster!
Can you shed any light on what gear you’re using in this video please. I see you have iloud mtms behind you, but you must be listening to your playing on something else that we can’t see, you aren’t wearing headphones so pray tell what do you use to listen to yourself in real time? And would you consider the mtms good for playing piano through? If so why aren’t you using them to play live? Thank you for your time and magical playing.
Mark, I am indeed wearing in ear monitors, to hear everything that is going on; instruments as well as my voiceover and computer audio, everything is also going straight from the sources into the audio interface and captured on the stream.
The iLOUD MTMs have been such a joy to work with and are mainly focused on project recording and mixing. You might be able to use them for live performance but they would not be my first choice. Ideally you would need something that could provide coverage for a larger room instead of the narrow coverage the near field nature the MTMs provide.
I will have to do some research on what would be useful as a live speaker setup. Thanks so much for watching.
@@PraiseTracks thanks Simeon, appreciate your reply, I can get a pair of iloud mtms very cheap currently due to a sale on them so I’m probably going ahead and getting them as apparently they are great for piano vsts after doing some research.
Your playing soothes my mind as well as my heart. All that buzzing and chattering goes away; and I am lost in beauty.
Always a joy to see you. I am hoping to be able to send you something soon so stay tuned. Joyfully yours! 🤓
Wow this is excellent, the first VST to give me goosebumps for sometime! thank you!
Thanks for sharing this video of the Pianoteq Bosendorfer. This is possibly my favourite of their pianos. I recently posted some blind test clips on a few forums using this and some other sample libraries including (VSL Fazioli 212, Garritan CFX, Synthogy Ivory 3, Pianoverse CF3, NI Noire and Melda Meldway piano) and was surprised at how many chose the Pianoteq Bosendorfer as their favourite.
Is there a way to warm up the upper register? I can't seem to get the mid to upper register to sound anything but tinny. Hate it!
I’m sure there is. You could do it with the built in EQ, but I think there is possibly an even broader way to tame that character using sone of the voicing controls and possibly even opting for a different mic model. I will see what I can find out.
Use a tape emulation plugin at 15ips.
The Bösendorfer sounds fantastic!! Thanks Simeon 🏆🏆
My pleasure Nino! 🤓
It sounds close to my beloved vsl 280vc
For a modeling instrument? Well done
Real Artist on its craft.
Thank you so much for the kind support. 🙏🏻
Hi! Wonder why you are not using SL88 Grand anymore?
Oh it didn’t go anywhere, it is right behind me and I use it quite a bit. Having the Casio PX-S7000 works great for the livestreams and other videos. I enjoy being able to experience two different keyboard feels as it helps to refine expression.
Thank you so much for watching and your kind support.
@@PraiseTracks Thank you for the reply. I was considering SL Grand + Pianoteq for piano learning and practice, thats why I asked. All the best!
@medstone3409 , of course. I think the SL88 Grand is a very good value for the quality of the action. It is a little heavy at first due to the wood and composite makeup of the keys but it does have a very nice velocity dynamic range.
The CASIO on the other hand, while still being weighted, has a slightly lighter feel and a little faster return on the keys that comes in handy when trying to do fast reputations.
@@PraiseTracks Thank you
@@medstone3409If you don't mind the weight, Kawai VPC1 with Pianoteq (iOS) + maybe Ravenscroft (iOS) vor variety is a very good and convenient setup! You will need an audio interface (like MOTU M2), though, if you don't have an iPad with headphone jack.
I chose the Kawai MP7SE, though, because it is lighter and the keyboard action still good.
Hi, is this Casio px-s7000?
Yep! CASIO was very kind to send one over for me to use. I have not only enjoyed playing it for the livestreams but have taken it out for some small events and it is really nice to have the built in pianos, speakers, bluetooth along. Thanks so much for watching.
@@PraiseTracks what do you think about its short pivot point?
@amitev honestly it has not bothered me. I also have the SL88: Grand that I have owned a few years longer and it has a slightly heavier action.
Not being classically trained I honestly just adapt to the different keybeds. There is also no escapement with either keyboards which I sort of appreciate. Now if this were to be strictly a dedicated controller for piano then of course the escapement and pivot points would be of a more critical consideration.
I hope that helps.
@@PraiseTracks thanks for sharing.
Bellissimo!🤩
This sounds terrific, but I prefer the Steinway models. They have more harmonic motion, for a lack of a better word
The Steinway Felt presets however are crap compared to the Felt in this one
Do you know what kind of piano suits best for a ballad? (I don't think of the e-piano). I already have Spotlight Piano but that one did not fit the arrangement this time. Pianoteq will be next.
O Mio Babbino Caro...Simon inspired me to give it a listen.
Such a beautiful melody. Thanks for watching. 🤓
This new Bosendorfer felt preset is very good. It's a shame their other Steinway, Yamaha etc felt presets are very heavy handed and muddy
Yes, those were very surprising. I would say the FELT 2 patch got into that much darker range but to have the possibility is exciting.
I think what many miss on the Studio and Pro versions is the ability to shape and finesse the model, with the Pro version allowing you to make specific changes to the model on a per note basis which is mind boggling.
I admit to not knowing much about how to utilize those extra function details but the more that I hear questions on certain tonal and dynamic aspects of certain patches challenges me to figure out how to find the way to make the particular piano my own.
And let’s not forget about the crazy microphone modeling and virtual stage possibilities, that takes us into an entire discussion of its own.
Thanks so much for watching and you kind feedback.
@@PraiseTracks Yeah, it's mainly Felt I on the Bos. that's great, Felt II is heavy handed like the felt patches on their other models.
Unfortunately I have the Stage version, so can't tune the models. However, I know that there are users that have heavily got into tuning the Pianotte models, and some have even tuned parameters to match the sound of other pianos, not available as packs - like a Fazioli - and they make those available for download.
What hardware gear are you using?
Good morning. I am currently running an Intel i9-9900k, 64gb RAM, way too many SSD drives for library storage, and most recently the RME Babyface Pro fs. Thanks for watching and please let me know if you had any additional questions.
This sounds great, but I'd like to see how this Bosendorfer compares with the one in the Montage 8.
@@keybdwizrd Montage doesn't have sypthetic resonance. In general, Pianoteq will feel a little more "alive" (when playing), because tiny nuances in your play will be calculated in real time within the model, whereas Montage only has 8 sampled velocities and interpolates the rest with volume/filters.
I only own a MODX8 with Bösendorfer, though. I don't have that model for Pianoteq (which I am mostly using on iOS: a perfect pairing with the MODX, because of its class compliant audio interface. You can use the iOS sounds seamlessly on your MODX.).
Nice work brother Simeon. I’m downloading this model soon. Been waiting for this.
My favorite pianos are Fazioli, Bosendorfer, Steingraeber, and Petrof. One more (Faz) and my favorites will be reproduced in Pianoteq.
Yes, a Fazioli for Pianoteq would be the bee’s knees! 🤓Thanks for the kind support.