Pst Iren was spot on about this! I share his view STRONGLY about Polygamy! Obviously..."It was not so in the beginning!" Christ's death and resurrection has restored us our "beginning" statuses! Uncontrolled lust underpin polygamy!!
@emmanuelleshak1897 You have incorrectly applied lust to polygyny - most Christians don't know what lust means because most pastors have no understanding of it either or rather the want to appease their female audiences who can't accept how God built the male body and mind The definition of lust is to covet (as Paul said in Romans): to covet means attempting/plotting to unlawfully possess what is not yours - whether it's someone's wife, house, car etc. as the commandment says in the 10 commandments A man thinking any woman is hot or attractive or even wanting to marry her lawfully, whether he is married or not is not lust Jesus was referring to lusting after or coveting a woman who is married, which is why he called it adultery. Adultery always involves a married woman Can lust lead to pologyny? Yes, the same way it can lead to monogamy if a man takes a married woman to be his wife whether as his only wife or as an additional wife ---- Christ's atonement restored us to being able to choose righteousness over sin and in turn be pleasing to God and restore the relationship Adam severed. It never restored any state present in the beginning (e.g. we still wear clothes and eat meat which were not conditions in the beginning before sin). There is no evidence in scripture to even remotely suggest that if Adam didn't sin that his progeny would have stayed monogamous or that God stated that it was his ideal. No man is the same - Adam had one wife, other men have different preferences and God never stated any preference for either one. God chose to have two wives ( Ezekiel 23)
@@PolygynyThis is a false analysis no matter how lengthy it is or intellectually appealing. Every involvement in polygamy by anyone in Scriptures was never inspired by God. It was a product of their carelessness, impatience, disobedience which are all included in the lustful nature of the natural man. But the fact that they ended up in polygamy does not mean that they are not children of God. But we should not adopt there mistakes as as a template for the Christian faith. The Scriptures in Hebrews admonish us to look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. And same Jesus said that "from the beginning, it was not so..." So this means that the template for marriage can only be found in the beginning, where God created one man and one woman. And the Scriptures says, "two shall become one". Not three or four... I pray God gives you more understanding even as you seek to know his will concerning this matter.
@@ucol2068 Where you are start picking pin der…..I just know you talk too much shhe….. ahen I’m just sure even your shadow says keep quiet it’s not all matters you put mout.😅😂😊.
Thank you MoG. Another strong perspective to marriage is that, marriage in itself is an adumbration of Salvation - the the marriage between Christ and his church. A prototype - to explain how that we are united with Christ and are made one. For two shall become one, not three or four. Thank you sir.
If you don't go according to God's principles. God will never give us something that will be that. Read the bible well , polygamy was never a sin nor condemned by God.
Its how pastor Laju was admiring pastey when he was speaking for me.......whatever I do in this life, I must follow Christ to the latter and marry right
@@emmanuelakran6533 If you watched the videos of Dr William Luck on polygamyHQ, you would see how he is a clown. You wouldn't have to ask me. As for the question, God is the One who gives a man the desire to marry, and He is the One who determines how many wives a man should have. It is none of your business, and it is none of this clown's business either! You marry as many wives as God gives you the desire to marry, I will marry how ever many wives God gives me the desire to marry, provided they all consent, and Ziona Chana can marry 39 and Philip Shapr can marry 7, and we can all mind our own business, and not meddle in the affairs of others. How does that sound?
Moses legalized divorce not because it was Gods will but because mens hearts were hardened? Does this statement not question if all the laws of Moses were even from God at all? Or is the pastor picking and choosing which ones Moses legalized himself?
@bigsamkay it is possible for you to confirm all your questions in the Bible, if you read in context. As you don't trust the words of a MOG, you might treasure the truth better when you seek it yourself. If you don't end up doing so, it would be obvious you don't want to help yourself.
@@Polygynyyou do so. Continue in your ignorance. The blood is off his hands, he gave you the answer now it's up to you. Give into your flesh or repent and turn away. 😊
@scholasticbookfair. I'm not ignorant - the Bible is clear on what is sin and what isn't - polygyny isn't classed as sin Just leave it at that: you disagree with God and his standards and regulations for both monogamy and polygyny and would condemn many righteous men in the Bible (who took multiple wives) while God would not and didn't. I think it's best to stick to what God has revealed than follow people's opinions on the matter thousands of years after polygynous practices were first established, understood and regulated by God Himself 👍 Peace
I was born and raised in polygamy. It’s ALWAYS toxic - “us Vs them”. Even Leah and Rachel who were sisters, when you read Genesis 30, you begin to see the toxicity of the whole arrangement. My father has since passed on - he did in his 80s and he regretted taking another wife. He made my brother swear that he wouldn’t go down that path. Most people from my parents’ generation have exited and they were raised by the generation that saw polygamy as a necessity for their farming profession. The point is I never met anyone from my parents’s generation who took more than one wife who didn’t regret it on his deathbed. As one of my grand uncles said: the day you take a second wife, you have shortened your lifespan by at least 5 years.
I met so many people that married one wife and regretted marrying at all and I have met men who had many wives and happy they did it, my father was one and he passed away at the age of eighty. Some Men can handle only one wife, some can handle multiple while some can not handle any.
Many people don’t actually care about the Word transforming them by renewing their minds. They just want the Word to back up their false ideologies, rather than having God use it to pull down those ideologies and exalt His own. That’s why those people watched that TikTok video and disagreed. Some of them even claimed to have read the Bible and seen that it supports polygamy. God have mercy.
Marrying more than one wife is fully biblical and righteous Abraham (the Father of faith) Jacob Gideon (a hero/judge of Israel) David Caleb Moses (the law giver on marriage and adultery) Solomon (the wisest on earth) Many other king of Israel All had more than one wife - God Himself said he had two wives in Ezekiel 23 Please get your facts right before concluding with emotion-driven opinions
@@Polygynyjust because these people had more than 1 wife doesn't mean that's what God intented. They were also killing people and hating enemies? Shall we do that do? What did Jesus say about marriage. He said just as in the beginning man and woman were created, they marry to me cleaved as one, just like they were created. Just because something is in the Bible didn't mean the intention of God for we in the new convent to do
@prettygemini3432 who told you what God intended? Where in scripture does it say he intended mongamy-only? Read 2 Samuel 12:8 and you will see that God has no preference between monogamy and polygyny - all he cares about is not commiting adultery (sex with a married woman) and treating wife or wives with love Why did God say he is the husband of two wives (Israel and Judah) in Ezekiel before the Hebrews left Egypt? This doesn't sound like a God that "intended" monogamy-only - that would mean that God sinned against himself is a hypocrite (one law for him, one law for his people)
There are many instances where a man is married to more than one wife in the bible and yet non of them were condemned by GOD . And no where in the bible where God stated the number of wife a man can marry .
I have come to understand that when it comes to the subject of what the Bible says and rebuking wrongs, the people that can actually fathom what is being said are true believers.
@@danieldeluca4936 "A man will leave his father's house and be united to his wife" "One man and one woman" Please search up where these verses were said and who made those statements in the Bible before you conclude
The devil always give people seemingly valid excuses for doing things that will not take them - even an inch closer - to God, especially christians and it is sad! We must learn to submit to the voice of the Holy Spirit to pull down those religious errors that the devil has used to build strongholds debarring us from enjoying God to the fullest.
Marrying more than one wife is fully biblical - here is a small (not complete) list of righteous men who had more than one wife Abraham (the Father of faith) Jacob Gideon (a hero/judge of Israel) David (God said he gave David his wives or will you conclude that God encourage him to "sin"?) Caleb Moses (the law giver on marriage and adultery) Solomon (the wisest on earth) Many other kings of Israel All had more than one wife - God Himself said he had two wives in Ezekiel 23 Polygyny is fully lawful - it's literally in the Torah in the so-called old testament - do your research before coming to incorrect conclusions about what God does and doesn't permit The Holy Spirit allowed, regulated and mandated (Levirate marriage) in scripture The devil only forbids marriage 👍
You see one is being called the other one is having the ability to teach. A lot of people run after the powers but can barely teach. Thank you Pastor Iren. This is insightful and deep
The man of God is right. The biggest question to ask people when they say God allowed polygamy Ask them: Do they know who started polygamy in the Bible ?? Gen 4:19 is the introduction of polygamy (Lamech married 2 women). So polygamy is man made and never God assigned. It became socially accepted but later Jesus corrected it to emphasis on the Beginning (with Adam and Eve) and Paul expanded it to make it a standard measurement for ministry. People will say .... why did God allow David and Solomon to than have many wives?? Act 17:30 "God overlooked people's ignorance of earlier times, he now commands all people everywhere to repent (Berran Standard Bible) End of the day .... the Bible explain itself. God bless and more grace man of God for standing with the word.
People have an idea of the truth (to say the least) but they won't want to accept it because it is not pleasing to the 'flesh'. However, they that are in the flesh can not please God. God's word cannot be contradicted in spite of the contradicting opinions of men. Thank you so much Pastey 💥🔥
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good? Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful) lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant. The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy). The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
@@patrickdavid2076 I don't know what you're driving at but I believe that polygamy is not part of what is lawful but not expedient. A lot of things changed when Jesus died on the cross. If you thoroughly read the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, you'll find out that many things the law permitted was due to the lusts in the hearts of the Israelites. Remember that there was no quickening spirit then unlike when the Holy Ghost came on the day of Pentecost to give power to everyone that believed in Jesus. I don't think any of the Apostles had more than one wife. That's the pattern God wants us to follow. There's no need to dig into an era were the Holy Spirit was not available as a quickener. Most importantly, the Bible is not a book to be analysed by men's philosophy. I wish you can follow the teachings on THE BIBLE with CCI.
Marrying more than one wife is fully biblical - here is a small (not complete) list of righteous men who had more than one wife Abraham (the Father of faith) Jacob Gideon (a hero/judge of Israel) David (God said he gave David his wives or will you conclude that God encourage him to "sin"?) Caleb Moses (the law giver on marriage and adultery) Solomon (the wisest on earth) Many other kings of Israel All had more than one wife - God Himself said he had two wives in Ezekiel 23 Polygyny is fully lawful - it's literally in the Torah in the so-called old testament - do your research before coming to incorrect conclusions about what God does and doesn't permit
Exactly! God removed just one rib from Adam, which He made into a woman. Not various ribs from one man. How this is even up for discussion as christians is baffling.
@@meemee8202 😅😅 We're all at different stages in our walk with God. Some questions are expected nonetheless so as matured sons, it's important we don't mislead the babes in Christ.
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good? Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful) lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant. The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy). The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
Pastor Emmanuel Iren, as long as the authority of the scriptures stands, you're very right sir❤ And al those antagonizing you vua TikTok or wherever only are speaking to fulfill the lost of the flesh... The eye of their understanding needs to be flooded with light...
Polygyny is not a sin God at no time condemned any man for taking more than one wife - God does not regulate sin, yet he regulated polygyny in the law (Torah) Marrying more than one wife is fully biblical - here is a small (not complete) list of righteous men who had more than one wife Abraham (the Father of faith) Jacob Gideon (a hero/judge of Israel) David (God said he gave David his wives or will you conclude that God encourage him to "sin"?) Caleb Moses (the law giver on marriage and adultery) Solomon (the wisest on earth) Many other kings of Israel All had more than one wife - God Himself said he had two wives in Ezekiel 23 Polygyny is fully lawful - it's literally in the Torah in the so-called old testament - do your research before coming to incorrect conclusions about what God does and doesn't permit
Hello @EmmanuelIrenlive and every member of his church; of course, I know majority of the people in the comment section are members of his church. I assume everyone here is interested in the truth amd mothing but the truth. I assume what is comfortable is not necessarily what you are interested in, but the absolute truth! I disagree vehemently with the ideas the pastor raised in this video. When Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife, he was not prescribing a general standard for Christians! IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS VERY CLEARLY! If he were giving a general standard for christians, wouldn't he be classifying himself and Jesus as being bad christians, since they both were not married? AND NO, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THAT IN THAT PASSAGE, PAUL WAS TRYING TO DISAPPROVE OF POLYGAMY. HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS NOT SHOWING DISAPPROVAL OF POLYGAMY? LET ME SHOW YOU! 1 COR 7 VS 28 ''if you do marry, you haven't committed a sin, and if you don't marry, you haven't committed a sin...but i would rather SPARE YOU THE EVERYDAY TROUBLES THAT MARRIED PEOPLE WILL HAVE''. DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BIBLE AND CONFIRM IT YOURSELF! The part in that verse i quoted above, especially the part in capital letters show very CLEARLY that the reason paul told the bishops, and not the general congregation that they shoild be the husband of one wife is not because he thinks polygyny is unchristian, but because he thinks marriages have their challenges and a man with more than one wife will have more challeneges at hand to handle and the bishop being the bishop, will ne saddled with a lot of responsibility to the flock. So, Paul wants him to have as little distraction as possible and that's why he said a bishop should be the husband of one wife! He even said it in another verse in the same Corinthians 7. It says: ''I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- AND HIS INTERESTS ARE DIVIDED.'' Now, the Paul you know...I am not talking about the Paul I know, but the Paul you know from the 13 books he wrote in the bible, What kind of person was the Paul you know when it comes to the things of God? He said ''of all the apostles, I work the hardest'' 1 Cor 15 vs 10. And ''...I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means [in any and every way] save some [by leading them to faith in Jesus Christ].'' 1 Cor 9 vs 19 -23 Acts 20:20 (NIV): "You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house." Romans 1:14-16 (NIV): "I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile." These passages demonstrate Paul's willingness to adapt and relate to different people in order to share the Gospel and win souls for Christ. His dedication to spreading the message of salvation serves as an inspiration for Christians to be proactive in sharing their faith with others. Share Like Dislike Tell me more. Can you provide more examples of how Paul adapted to different cultures to share the Gospel? How can Christians today apply Paul's approach to sharing their faith with others? What are some other Bible passages that emphasize the importance of winning souls for Christ? Acts 20:20 (NIV): "You know that I have not HESITATED to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house." Romans 1:14-16 (NIV): "I am OBLIGATED both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am
Apostle Iren's points are 💯 As much as this is important it is very important to understand Marriage very well, study Apostle Paul's teachings, where he painstakingly pointed that the bond between a man and a woman as husband and wife is taking as Christ Jesus and the Church, polygamous means that you believe in God who raised Christ Jesus from the dead and you still now believe in idols and in other gods, Apostle Paul even stressed this by saying that we know that there's only one God. Study Apostle Paul's writing to the Corinthians. Now, listen carefully everything Jesus taught and what His disciples taught was based on the plan of God before the foundation of the world which means from Genesis, which is the beginning, God's intent was Salvation whether Adam sins or not it won't change it, it can only prolong the manifestation, which does but can't stop it. So, when Jesus came and the leaders of the law asked him series of questions, He referred them back to the beginning before Moses was born (remember Moses wrote Genesis, so Moses knew the intent of God but the people's heart was so so so rebellious, he even communicated to them in types and shadows. He had to permit them with strict conditions, the law that will guide them, he did them good but it wasn't that good for them). Study the first two chapters of Genesis very well. Jesus emphasized that if their fathers had believed Moses they would have believed Him because everything he told them was concerning Him, Luke 24.
Jesus was in the beginning even before the world was created. He gave the best answer that God made them male and female. God bless you my brother. Keep preaching to the truth. We love you so much.
Jesus said to them have you not read...He expects them to have read... Mathew 19:4 ...you have not finish thinking of how to please one wife not to talk of multiple...and many who are advocating for polygamy is not even Married. Why will you kill your self before your time ni. Anybody that comes in after two has been joined as one is putting asunder...is as simple as that. I love how Jesus ended His statement in Mathew 19:11KJV:But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. Sense is expected where Brain is given.
@kingpaulofkandonesia360 Your pastor is not a great teacher. here is my response to one of rhe claims he made. Hello @EmmanuelIrenlive and every member of his church; of course, I know majority of the people in the comment section are members of his church. I assume everyone here is interested in the truth amd mothing but the truth. I assume what is comfortable is not necessarily what you are interested in, but the absolute truth! I disagree vehemently with the ideas the pastor raised in this video. When Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife, he was not prescribing a general standard for Christians! IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS VERY CLEARLY! If he were giving a general standard for christians, wouldn't he be classifying himself and Jesus as being bad christians, since they both were not married? AND NO, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THAT IN THAT PASSAGE, PAUL WAS TRYING TO DISAPPROVE OF POLYGAMY. HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS NOT SHOWING DISAPPROVAL OF POLYGAMY? LET ME SHOW YOU! 1 COR 7 VS 28 ''if you do marry, you haven't committed a sin, and if you don't marry, you haven't committed a sin...but i would rather SPARE YOU THE EVERYDAY TROUBLES THAT MARRIED PEOPLE WILL HAVE''. DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BIBLE AND CONFIRM IT YOURSELF! The part in that verse i quoted above, especially the part in capital letters show very CLEARLY that the reason paul told the bishops, and not the general congregation that they shoild be the husband of one wife is not because he thinks polygyny is unchristian, but because he thinks marriages have their challenges and a man with more than one wife will have more challeneges at hand to handle and the bishop being the bishop, will ne saddled with a lot of responsibility to the flock. So, Paul wants him to have as little distraction as possible and that's why he said a bishop should be the husband of one wife! He even said it in another verse in the same Corinthians 7. It says: ''I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- AND HIS INTERESTS ARE DIVIDED.'' Now, the Paul you know...I am not talking about the Paul I know, but the Paul you know from the 13 books he wrote in the bible, What kind of person was the Paul you know when it comes to the things of God? He said ''of all the apostles, I work the hardest'' 1 Cor 15 vs 10. And ''...I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means [in any and every way] save some [by leading them to faith in Jesus Christ].'' 1 Cor 9 vs 19 -23 Acts 20:20 (NIV): "You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house." Romans 1:14-16 (NIV): "I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile." These passages demonstrate Paul's willingness to adapt and relate to different people in order to share the Gospel and win souls for Christ. His dedication to spreading the message of salvation serves as an inspiration for Christians to be proactive in sharing their faith with others. Share Like Dislike Tell me more. Can you provide more examples of how Paul adapted to different cultures to share the Gospel? How can Christians today apply Paul's approach to sharing their faith with others? What are some other Bible passages that emphasize the importance of winning souls for Christ? Acts 20:20 (NIV): "You know that I have not HESITATED to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house." Romans 1:14-16 (NIV): "I am OBLIGATED both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am
So the truth wasn't told in the generations of King David and Abraham? Two of the most righteous men of all time - are you more holy or righteous than these men?
PAPA Iren thank you for such a powerful explanation on Monogamy, I choose to obey the words of God and follow the marriage of one wife 🔥❤😂. How much is too much 😂😂😂😅😅
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good? Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful) lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant. The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy). The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
Hello @EmmanuelIrenlive and every member of his church; of course, I know majority of the people in the comment section are members of his church. I assume everyone here is interested in the truth amd mothing but the truth. I assume what is comfortable is not necessarily what you are interested in, but the absolute truth! I disagree vehemently with the ideas the pastor raised in this video. When Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife, he was not prescribing a general standard for Christians! IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS VERY CLEARLY! If he were giving a general standard for christians, wouldn't he be classifying himself and Jesus as being bad christians, since they both were not married? AND NO, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THAT IN THAT PASSAGE, PAUL WAS TRYING TO DISAPPROVE OF POLYGAMY. HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS NOT SHOWING DISAPPROVAL OF POLYGAMY? LET ME SHOW YOU! 1 COR 7 VS 28 ''if you do marry, you haven't committed a sin, and if you don't marry, you haven't committed a sin...but i would rather SPARE YOU THE EVERYDAY TROUBLES THAT MARRIED PEOPLE WILL HAVE''. DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BIBLE AND CONFIRM IT YOURSELF! The part in that verse i quoted above, especially the part in capital letters show very CLEARLY that the reason paul told the bishops, and not the general congregation that they shoild be the husband of one wife is not because he thinks polygyny is unchristian, but because he thinks marriages have their challenges and a man with more than one wife will have more challeneges at hand to handle and the bishop being the bishop, will ne saddled with a lot of responsibility to the flock. So, Paul wants him to have as little distraction as possible and that's why he said a bishop should be the husband of one wife! He even said it in another verse in the same Corinthians 7. It says: ''I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- AND HIS INTERESTS ARE DIVIDED.'' Now, the Paul you know...I am not talking about the Paul I know, but the Paul you know from the 13 books he wrote in the bible, What kind of person was the Paul you know when it comes to the things of God? He said ''of all the apostles, I work the hardest'' 1 Cor 15 vs 10. And ''...I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means [in any and every way] save some [by leading them to faith in Jesus Christ].'' 1 Cor 9 vs 19 -23 Acts 20:20 (NIV): "You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house." Romans 1:14-16 (NIV): "I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile." These passages demonstrate Paul's willingness to adapt and relate to different people in order to share the Gospel and win souls for Christ. His dedication to spreading the message of salvation serves as an inspiration for Christians to be proactive in sharing their faith with others. Share Like Dislike Tell me more. Can you provide more examples of how Paul adapted to different cultures to share the Gospel? How can Christians today apply Paul's approach to sharing their faith with others? What are some other Bible passages that emphasize the importance of winning souls for Christ? Acts 20:20 (NIV): "You know that I have not HESITATED to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house." Romans 1:14-16 (NIV): "I am OBLIGATED both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am
Chaaaaiii, my love for you just went off roof. Meeeehnnnn, One Spirit, one Lord, one Father of all. I once curiously asked the same question some years ago. I said love Abraham, he married two wives, l love David, he married more than one wives. That's was my exact thought. So I asked, would it be a sin if peradventure a marry another wife. I said with all sincerity in my heart Just as Pastor Iren had said, the Holy Spirit took back to the beginning, he said l was the one who knew that it is not good for Adam to be alone and l created an Eve for him. Then the Lord said,, if he needs more than one Eve, l would have just created her. I am so excited that we have someone like Pastor lren in the Social place. Love you Pastey😊
Thank you so much, Pastey 🙏🏾 God will bless you for being a worthy example to us. May He continue to strengthen you in your walk with Him and your ministry. Amen ❤
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good? Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful) lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant. The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy). The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
@@olawalejohn7054 I feel demonising Polygamy is wrong, for spiritual growth being unmarried is the route(Jesus, the apostles except Peter were all unmarried for the sake of the Gospel), the next level is being married to one Wife as that is what a Priest is required to have, but for whatever reason that is too much you are to be Polygamous(the constraint is you are not to marry unbelievers as what Solomon did) its' clear. Paul even said it is wrong to forbid to marry(I am sure we feel it is one wife) in Timothy and in Corinthians he gave his reason and that is than to be in lust. Polygamy will always have a higher place and standing than Fornication. If anything it shames the act of adultery and fornication cos it takes away the excuse, as u can marry the woman u have feelings towards and the woman can marry the man she see's as her provider(without all these modern day prostitution) and exposes the lasciviousness of an individual. This whole slay queen behaviour is because women aren't getting married, a married woman has a husband and a family she belongs to, she can't be twerking. E.g Regina Daniels before marriage and after marriage. She has more carriage because she is under a man.
Simplest point is in modern day countries that are conservative sexually, haven't bought into LGBTQ, women are more decently dressed, least tolerance for sexual perversion are majorly the Polygamous countries(Middle East and Africa), making Paul's claim relate to this. 1Tim 4 vs 1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, forbidding to marry... In Christendom where do u hear Pastors are Pedophile and sexual abusers? First thought is the Catholic church. It's one thing to sleep with a consenting adult of the opposite sex another to sleep with a child of same sex(we know one is more weird). Guess what they forbade marriage? The only reason you are forbidden to marry is blood ties, and the other isn't forbiddance but advise is unbelievers cos of the unequal yoke they pose.
Hello @EmmanuelIrenlive and every member of his church; of course, I know majority of the people in the comment section are members of his church. I assume everyone here is interested in the truth amd mothing but the truth. I assume what is comfortable is not necessarily what you are interested in, but the absolute truth! I disagree vehemently with the ideas the pastor raised in this video. When Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife, he was not prescribing a general standard for Christians! IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS VERY CLEARLY! If he were giving a general standard for christians, wouldn't he be classifying himself and Jesus as being bad christians, since they both were not married? AND NO, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THAT IN THAT PASSAGE, PAUL WAS TRYING TO DISAPPROVE OF POLYGAMY. HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS NOT SHOWING DISAPPROVAL OF POLYGAMY? LET ME SHOW YOU! 1 COR 7 VS 28 ''if you do marry, you haven't committed a sin, and if you don't marry, you haven't committed a sin...but i would rather SPARE YOU THE EVERYDAY TROUBLES THAT MARRIED PEOPLE WILL HAVE''. DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BIBLE AND CONFIRM IT YOURSELF! The part in that verse i quoted above, especially the part in capital letters show very CLEARLY that the reason paul told the bishops, and not the general congregation that they shoild be the husband of one wife is not because he thinks polygyny is unchristian, but because he thinks marriages have their challenges and a man with more than one wife will have more challeneges at hand to handle and the bishop being the bishop, will ne saddled with a lot of responsibility to the flock. So, Paul wants him to have as little distraction as possible and that's why he said a bishop should be the husband of one wife! He even said it in another verse in the same Corinthians 7. It says: ''I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- AND HIS INTERESTS ARE DIVIDED.'' Now, the Paul you know...I am not talking about the Paul I know, but the Paul you know from the 13 books he wrote in the bible, What kind of person was the Paul you know when it comes to the things of God? He said ''of all the apostles, I work the hardest'' 1 Cor 15 vs 10. And ''...I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means [in any and every way] save some [by leading them to faith in Jesus Christ].'' 1 Cor 9 vs 19 -23 Acts 20:20 (NIV): "You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house." Romans 1:14-16 (NIV): "I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile." These passages demonstrate Paul's willingness to adapt and relate to different people in order to share the Gospel and win souls for Christ. His dedication to spreading the message of salvation serves as an inspiration for Christians to be proactive in sharing their faith with others. Share Like Dislike Tell me more. Can you provide more examples of how Paul adapted to different cultures to share the Gospel? How can Christians today apply Paul's approach to sharing their faith with others? What are some other Bible passages that emphasize the importance of winning souls for Christ? Acts 20:20 (NIV): "You know that I have not HESITATED to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house." Romans 1:14-16 (NIV): "I am OBLIGATED both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am
Also remember 1 Corinthians 10:23 I have freedom to do everything but not everything is good for me. We should not use our freedom in Christ to indulge the flesh🤌
first part applies, all things are lawful is particular to the individual based on the context of the passage.. The question I would like to ask is was and is polygamy a sin? If it is a case of lawful and gainful, then it is a personal choice as Paul referred to food sacrificed to Idols in one of the 2 references of that quote.
@@patrickdavid2076 The thing is it's best not to do it. Polygamy is a very risky thing look at Solomon for example, All those women caused him grief. But if you still want to do polygamy Ask God if it is His will 🤷♀️ But we find it in Scripture that it's best not to 🤷♀️
@@folasadesubomi About Solomon the Bible clearly said it was the foreign women, the bible warned Israel about strange women whether monogamy or polygamy as can be seen in the story of Balaam when he advised Balak to make the Midianites women tempt the Israelite men, same can be seen with Samson, even in the return in Nehemiah or Ezra, the people causing confusion were mostly the mixed breed, and in the seperation of the 2 Kingdom, Israel was known to have inter-married with Samaria while Judah stayed pure. But from Polygamy with Godly women we can see Gideon, David, Jacob. Infact God's issue with David was him taken another man's wife not with him having more wives, infact God blessed that union with the next King (Solomon) were as David's wife of his youth was barren(Michal).
@@folasadesubomi Simplest point is in modern day countries that are conservative sexually, haven't bought into LGBTQ, women are more decently dressed, least tolerance for sexual perversion are majorly the Polygamous countries(Middle East and Africa), making Paul's claim relate to this. 1Tim 4 vs 1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, forbidding to marry... The only reason you are forbidden to marry is blood ties, and the other isn't forbiddance but advise is unbelievers cos of the unequal yoke they pose.
Some people don't understand the way the Bible works Sir. Those who were doing the dragging about your argument just need some more Bible study. Thank you for your wonderful teaching Sir
God never stated his "original" design on marriage - it just said he made them "male and female" Monogamy and polygyny are two marriage structures God permits and blessed
@vahlehrie ad honiem attacks isn't an argument I bet you don't even know what the biblical definition of lust even is - well from your comment it is clear that you don't Deal with my points, personal attacks and assumptions about my life is the foolishness that the Pharisees tried with Christ. Again, address my points - if yoy can't keep quiet👍
@@Polygyny all this silly grammar for me? Hell no!!😂 just shut up and learn. You have lust problems and you’re trying to mask it with scriptures. Get help plus I’m not keeping quiet. Naughty thing
Thank you Sir. The bible never contradicts itself. From Adam to Noah, these FIRST Patriarchs all had ONE wives representing Gods IDEAL template for marriage. Even though polygamy happened it was simply due to God permissive Will.
God does not permit people to break his 10 commandments - there is no such thing as "permissive will" - this is man-made lingo that proves nothing God never at one time said that polygyny is a sin and he blessed many men with multiple wives
@@Polygyny you're missing The entire Context and Message of both my response and the video posted. The Point is Polygamy is not God's Ideal Plan , its not the Perfect will of God. God created Adam and gave him one wife. When God destroyed the world with the flood do you think it was mere coincidence that Noah and his three sons each had ONE wife. That represents Gods Perfect will for mankind. Poly was just permitted (his Permissive will) its not God ideal plan from the very beginning. ✌
For me, polygamy or not is not wel dinied practice in the bible. Interestingly , what did God say to those who practised it? Remember, God walked and spoke to them. I dont believe its for everyone, those who practice it, will they go to hell after we lead them to accept Christ? Do they need to divorce some of their wives after they accept Christ as their Lord and saviour? There is not enough information to balance this discussion, maybe the omitted scripts would have given us more clarity. Is Polygamy a sin? Will Polygamy nulify a person's confession of the Lordship of Christ?
@calebo6964 I haven't missed any point. No where in scripture does it state what God's ideal plan is for marriage structure. Paul said marriage is a mystery which refers to Christ and the Church (household of God), yet Christ will be married to many individuals (polygyny) that make up the Church so it seems that polygyny is the actual ideal to follow your logic The fact is there is no "ideal" marriage structure given by God - he simply gave men a choice: some men want just one wife and some men want multiple wives/concubines, some men don't seek marriage at all - all these circumstances are valid before God and God does not respect one more than the other, except obeying the commandments of God, not human opinion on what God thinks or human opinion on morality and ethics
Jesus didn't even marry - so he didn't give any example on what is "perfect" marriage but he did point to the law that allowed men to marry multiple wives and in his parable he described himself as the bridegroom who was marrying 5 virgins but was planned to marry 10 virgins
I don't even like debates like this tbh. There are three reasons why these sort of debates are rife... 1. People are not trained to listen to and rely on the voice of the Holy Spirit inside of them. 2. People don't have a good conscience, so they are not even trying to do right. 3. People don't love God. If you love God, you want to love people, you'll want to be led by the Spirit of God, you'll want to have a good conscience. We can have theological debates, but till we allow the Holy Spirit to begin to guide us in good conscience. We'll keep falling for carnality and needing reasoning to live right. May God give us His wisdom in Jesus Name.
Truth is has nothing to do with popular opinions, Truth is what God affirms, His Words and He is about. Believers can learn from this, that standing by what the Lord Jesus stands for would make you an enemy, hated by most men. But be encouraged and expect this, for if Christ was hated so greatly, how much more we His children. Never let their backslash, hatred or disapproval stop you from speaking His Will, His Ways, His purposes, His Words and Righteousness. Nothing else matters, nothing won't stand except His Word and Purposes. Polygamy was never the plans of The Father, it was permissible by Him to the old fathers and He turned it around for His purposes. This is the truth, no matter how many people don't agree with this, just know that He agrees with this and that's what matters, it's final. Shalom
Well said Sir, thank God for taking my mind back to "in the beginning" , let them keep dragging, the truth must still be spoken by Jesus true ambassadors
Paul was talking criterias to occupy leadership positions in the church not every believer, of course that means it's good to marry one wife be it's not compulsory for every believer.
Lolz, the only people that will be angry with this are men who can't control their sexual urges and think polygamy is God's gift to them to prove their superiority. And a woman dragging this is a sorry state of woman. The Christian marriage is a 3 fold chord, God, man, and his wife. Even Solomon after his erring knew the truth. I saw someone saying the wisest man married how many. They only quote from people's failure not triumph. Solomon in his clear head said, "enjoy the wife of your youth in Prov5:8 and the wife whom you love, Ecc9:9" not wives.😂 People won't read from when his eyes have cleared, it's to take things he did in his error and use it as a standard. Any believer arguing this needs serious help.
So God went against Jesus when he said he gave King David his wives and would have given him more wives if he asked in 2 Samuel? Your statement makes no sense when taken to it's logical conclusion Jesus is not higher than the God of the Torah and at no time did Jesus contradict his Father or change the law of Moses - God's standards for sin and rigtheousness did not change when Jesus came
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good? Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful) lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant. The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy). The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
The Bible is indeed silent on polygamy, and you cannot use passages on divorce to explain away polygamy, nor can you use the creation story. If God disapproved of polygamy it would have been condemned outright, but it wasn’t (a king not multiplying wives to himself speaks only of excess) A reading of 2 Samuel 12:8 has God saying to David through Nathan, “… I gave your masters wives into your arms …” With respect to Timothy, why would Paul say that an overseer must be the husband of but one wife? Could it be that polygamy was practiced and allowed in the early church? In his letter to the Corinthians a man was accused of sleeping with his father’s wife - of course there are many permutations we could make here depending on our cultural outlook. But one thing we know is that the man was not sleeping with his mother, otherwise the accusation will be one of incest. In my view the matter of polygamy is a cultural one and this is why context is important in exegeting Scripture. The theological question will be the outworking of justice, love and fairness in the polygamous household, as in all households. But is polygamy acceptable today? Again it depends on the cultural context in which the question is being asked AND and also dependent on those who would be partaking in the arrangement. This is not to disrespect Pastor Iren, I just disagree with him on this occasion.
1.) Going back to the origin/beginning of anything is important to understand the intent behind its creation. Jesus used the creation of one man and one woman to explain divorce, the same principal applies for polygamy. God made them ONE man and ONE woman. That was the intent of the person who created the institution. 2.) No where in the Bible is it indicated that David married Saul’s wives. “I gave you your masters wives…” does not indicate that he married or slept with them, nor did God want Him too. 2 Sam 12:8 also talks about other things given to David (e.g, Saul’s house), not just his wives. It was customary for widows to be taken care of, the Bible is replete with instructions on this. If it was just about women and marriage (since David was being reprimanded for his sexual sin), prophet Nathan could have left out the other gifts and mentioned just Saul’s wives to indicate specifically that “Saul’s wives were his reward.” 3.) Paul’s instruction to timothy also included other traits that were expected of believers anyway. In 1 Cor 5:5, Paul condemned a “believer” known to be having sexual relations with his fathers wife. It was probably because of those sought of people that Paul was clear on the attributes of a deacon. Just because believers practiced a certain thing did not make it acceptable, and so Paul was being clear in his instructions to Timothy that all these things are expected of Christians so they’re the bare minimum to holding a spiritual office.
Cultural norms can never trump original design. Just because a culture only stands on a chair does not negate the original design of the creator: a chair is to be sat on, that is it’s primary purpose (this is a crass example, but I hope you understand my point). It doesn’t matter if the entire world is doing something a certain way, the one who created the institution created it as ONE male to ONE female. If He wanted it any other way, what stopped Him from giving Adam choices?
I appreciate God's wisdom based on the facts that we can make a choice. Based on what I have read in the Bible and what has been explained by wonderful Men and Woman in the Christendom on how they understood the word of God, I believe that polygamy isn't for everyone. Whoever believes in it should have a concrete agreement with those they have chosen to practice it with. God has always moved based on agreement and not of numbers. It is the heart that matters most to God. As for me, this is a matter that needs to be addressed.
@@rhemapeeakins5061 Also, we have a choice doesn’t mean we can’t make the wrong one. The doctor prescribes treatment to save your life, still it’s your choice to listen to him or not. Most kids will choose to have candy for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It’s their choice, but the wrong one. Mankind can choose to practice polygamy, that’s doesn’t make it the right choice, a choice contrary to God’s intent for the institution He created.
Pst Iren was spot on about this! I share his view STRONGLY about Polygamy! Obviously..."It was not so in the beginning!" Christ's death and resurrection has restored us our "beginning" statuses! Uncontrolled lust underpin polygamy!!
Lust is not inherent in polygamy
What you said is a false statement
@@Polygyny Noted. Could you explain your stand, please? That would be more helpful. Thanks.
@emmanuelleshak1897
You have incorrectly applied lust to polygyny - most Christians don't know what lust means because most pastors have no understanding of it either or rather the want to appease their female audiences who can't accept how God built the male body and mind
The definition of lust is to covet (as Paul said in Romans): to covet means attempting/plotting to unlawfully possess what is not yours - whether it's someone's wife, house, car etc. as the commandment says in the 10 commandments
A man thinking any woman is hot or attractive or even wanting to marry her lawfully, whether he is married or not is not lust
Jesus was referring to lusting after or coveting a woman who is married, which is why he called it adultery. Adultery always involves a married woman
Can lust lead to pologyny? Yes, the same way it can lead to monogamy if a man takes a married woman to be his wife whether as his only wife or as an additional wife
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Christ's atonement restored us to being able to choose righteousness over sin and in turn be pleasing to God and restore the relationship Adam severed. It never restored any state present in the beginning (e.g. we still wear clothes and eat meat which were not conditions in the beginning before sin). There is no evidence in scripture to even remotely suggest that if Adam didn't sin that his progeny would have stayed monogamous or that God stated that it was his ideal. No man is the same - Adam had one wife, other men have different preferences and God never stated any preference for either one. God chose to have two wives ( Ezekiel 23)
@@PolygynyThis is a false analysis no matter how lengthy it is or intellectually appealing. Every involvement in polygamy by anyone in Scriptures was never inspired by God. It was a product of their carelessness, impatience, disobedience which are all included in the lustful nature of the natural man. But the fact that they ended up in polygamy does not mean that they are not children of God. But we should not adopt there mistakes as as a template for the Christian faith. The Scriptures in Hebrews admonish us to look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. And same Jesus said that "from the beginning, it was not so..." So this means that the template for marriage can only be found in the beginning, where God created one man and one woman. And the Scriptures says, "two shall become one". Not three or four...
I pray God gives you more understanding even as you seek to know his will concerning this matter.
Emmanuel u spoke well, polygamy I just choice n won't take u to hell. Remember this marriage self na for this earth.
I always feel safe under Pastor Iren's teaching. There are just a handful of people that are diligent enough to put out such transparency
You are only safe under our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
@@J_a_s_o_n THAT IS TRUE AND THANKFULLY A MAN LIKE PASTOR IREN REPRESENTS TRUTH THAT SETS ONE FREE
Which one be SAFE again? You no dey read your bible yourself?
@@ucol2068 That is why I am saying that I will follow Pastor Iren as long as he follows Jesus. Thanks
@@ucol2068 Where you are start picking pin der…..I just know you talk too much shhe….. ahen I’m just sure even your shadow says keep quiet it’s not all matters you put mout.😅😂😊.
Thank you MoG.
Another strong perspective to marriage is that, marriage in itself is an adumbration of Salvation - the the marriage between Christ and his church.
A prototype - to explain how that we are united with Christ and are made one.
For two shall become one, not three or four.
Thank you sir.
Exactly!!!!
What is the meaning of adumbration?
@@emempjGoogle it
@@emempj a foreshadowing of or precursor to something. Say, a representation.
If you don't go according to God's principles. God will never give us something that will be that. Read the bible well , polygamy was never a sin nor condemned by God.
A man who has given himself to the STUDY of God's word.. GOD ABEG!!! Thank you Pastey
Not in this instance! He has presumed to be able to read God's mind, and used that to add to the Word of God, which Scripture clearly forbids!
Its how pastor Laju was admiring pastey when he was speaking for me.......whatever I do in this life, I must follow Christ to the latter and marry right
I’m not even a Christian but the way this pastor eloquently expressed his views was very impressive
You shouldn't be impressed. Watch some of Dr Luck's dismantling of this clown's arguments.
@@danieldeluca4936how is he a clown? Answer the question he asked if you have 2 wives does not mean you would be contented
@@emmanuelakran6533 If you watched the videos of Dr William Luck on polygamyHQ, you would see how he is a clown. You wouldn't have to ask me. As for the question, God is the One who gives a man the desire to marry, and He is the One who determines how many wives a man should have. It is none of your business, and it is none of this clown's business either! You marry as many wives as God gives you the desire to marry, I will marry how ever many wives God gives me the desire to marry, provided they all consent, and Ziona Chana can marry 39 and Philip Shapr can marry 7, and we can all mind our own business, and not meddle in the affairs of others. How does that sound?
Moses legalized divorce not because it was Gods will but because mens hearts were hardened?
Does this statement not question if all the laws of Moses were even from God at all?
Or is the pastor picking and choosing which ones Moses legalized himself?
@bigsamkay it is possible for you to confirm all your questions in the Bible, if you read in context. As you don't trust the words of a MOG, you might treasure the truth better when you seek it yourself. If you don't end up doing so, it would be obvious you don't want to help yourself.
A true believer doesn't even need theological explanation to know that polygamy is not part of his nature. Thank you Pastor Irene!
@@BuiltRightlet those who hate God's and men's nature continue in their ignorance
@@Polygynyyou do so. Continue in your ignorance. The blood is off his hands, he gave you the answer now it's up to you. Give into your flesh or repent and turn away. 😊
@scholasticbookfair. I'm not ignorant - the Bible is clear on what is sin and what isn't - polygyny isn't classed as sin
Just leave it at that: you disagree with God and his standards and regulations for both monogamy and polygyny and would condemn many righteous men in the Bible (who took multiple wives) while God would not and didn't. I think it's best to stick to what God has revealed than follow people's opinions on the matter thousands of years after polygynous practices were first established, understood and regulated by God Himself 👍
Peace
@@BuiltRighthow does this relate to marriage ??
@@BuiltRight well noted sir
I was born and raised in polygamy. It’s ALWAYS toxic - “us Vs them”. Even Leah and Rachel who were sisters, when you read Genesis 30, you begin to see the toxicity of the whole arrangement. My father has since passed on - he did in his 80s and he regretted taking another wife. He made my brother swear that he wouldn’t go down that path. Most people from my parents’ generation have exited and they were raised by the generation that saw polygamy as a necessity for their farming profession. The point is I never met anyone from my parents’s generation who took more than one wife who didn’t regret it on his deathbed. As one of my grand uncles said: the day you take a second wife, you have shortened your lifespan by at least 5 years.
My man of God shared the last statement with us during a teaching like this
You shorten your lifespan
@@successedobi4702 pqapa
Just on point
Yet there many people who are happy they entered polygamy.
A bad experience doesn't mean it's bad for everyone
I met so many people that married one wife and regretted marrying at all and I have met men who had many wives and happy they did it, my father was one and he passed away at the age of eighty. Some Men can handle only one wife, some can handle multiple while some can not handle any.
Many people don’t actually care about the Word transforming them by renewing their minds. They just want the Word to back up their false ideologies, rather than having God use it to pull down those ideologies and exalt His own.
That’s why those people watched that TikTok video and disagreed. Some of them even claimed to have read the Bible and seen that it supports polygamy.
God have mercy.
Marrying more than one wife is fully biblical and righteous
Abraham (the Father of faith)
Jacob
Gideon (a hero/judge of Israel)
David
Caleb
Moses (the law giver on marriage and adultery)
Solomon (the wisest on earth)
Many other king of Israel
All had more than one wife - God Himself said he had two wives in Ezekiel 23
Please get your facts right before concluding with emotion-driven opinions
@@Polygynyjust because these people had more than 1 wife doesn't mean that's what God intented. They were also killing people and hating enemies? Shall we do that do? What did Jesus say about marriage. He said just as in the beginning man and woman were created, they marry to me cleaved as one, just like they were created. Just because something is in the Bible didn't mean the intention of God for we in the new convent to do
@prettygemini3432 who told you what God intended? Where in scripture does it say he intended mongamy-only? Read 2 Samuel 12:8 and you will see that God has no preference between monogamy and polygyny - all he cares about is not commiting adultery (sex with a married woman) and treating wife or wives with love
Why did God say he is the husband of two wives (Israel and Judah) in Ezekiel before the Hebrews left Egypt? This doesn't sound like a God that "intended" monogamy-only - that would mean that God sinned against himself is a hypocrite (one law for him, one law for his people)
@prettygemini3432 fair enough you may not agree with polygyny but you can't use scripture to condemn it or say it isn't what God intended 👍
@@Polygyny God saying is the God of two wives?🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄. To start with Read Romans 12:1-2 to renew your mind first before undertaking what God mean
There are many instances where a man is married to more than one wife in the bible and yet non of them were condemned by GOD . And no where in the bible where God stated the number of wife a man can marry .
Without doubts,
Pastor Iren is One of the Wisest Preachers on Nigeria 📌📌🎯
He is so wise!!!
No doubt bro
😂OMG😢😮
Deut 17:13-17. Mal 2:11. Go to the beginning to understand God's will about marriage.
Emmanuel Iren says that we should read God's mind. God asks "Who can know the mind of God?"
I have come to understand that when it comes to the subject of what the Bible says and rebuking wrongs, the people that can actually fathom what is being said are true believers.
You have said it all, as i was watching i said to myself if they are born again they will know the truth
Fact💯
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The funny thing is, polygamy was never rebuked at all anytime, anywhere in any part of Scripture.
@@danieldeluca4936
"A man will leave his father's house and be united to his wife"
"One man and one woman"
Please search up where these verses were said and who made those statements in the Bible before you conclude
The devil always give people seemingly valid excuses for doing things that will not take them - even an inch closer - to God, especially christians and it is sad! We must learn to submit to the voice of the Holy Spirit to pull down those religious errors that the devil has used to build strongholds debarring us from enjoying God to the fullest.
Marrying more than one wife is fully biblical - here is a small (not complete) list of righteous men who had more than one wife
Abraham (the Father of faith)
Jacob
Gideon (a hero/judge of Israel)
David (God said he gave David his wives or will you conclude that God encourage him to "sin"?)
Caleb
Moses (the law giver on marriage and adultery)
Solomon (the wisest on earth)
Many other kings of Israel
All had more than one wife - God Himself said he had two wives in Ezekiel 23
Polygyny is fully lawful - it's literally in the Torah in the so-called old testament - do your research before coming to incorrect conclusions about what God does and doesn't permit
The Holy Spirit allowed, regulated and mandated (Levirate marriage) in scripture
The devil only forbids marriage 👍
Truth gets most jabs .. ride on thou brilliant man of God...
Please keep preaching the truth sir. Let people keep speaking. They’ve been doing so since the time of Jesus himself. The truth will remain the truth.
You see one is being called the other one is having the ability to teach. A lot of people run after the powers but can barely teach. Thank you Pastor Iren. This is insightful and deep
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The man of God is right. The biggest question to ask people when they say God allowed polygamy
Ask them:
Do they know who started polygamy in the Bible ??
Gen 4:19 is the introduction of polygamy (Lamech married 2 women).
So polygamy is man made and never God assigned.
It became socially accepted but later Jesus corrected it to emphasis on the Beginning (with Adam and Eve) and Paul expanded it to make it a standard measurement for ministry.
People will say .... why did God allow David and Solomon to than have many wives??
Act 17:30 "God overlooked people's ignorance of earlier times, he now commands all people everywhere to repent (Berran Standard Bible)
End of the day .... the Bible explain itself.
God bless and more grace man of God for standing with the word.
When he said, "Adam would have woken up to see three beautiful women".🤔🤔
Ha! Divine wisdom🙌
This man is well learned and balanced
Balderdash! I am not the least bit impressed.
I love this man even the more. Young, wise, smart and full of God's word.
God rebukes him for adding to His Word.
@@danieldeluca4936 please can you state the part he added?
@@josephokwute4830 Jesus never said that Moses allowed polygamy because of hardness of hearts.
People have an idea of the truth (to say the least) but they won't want to accept it because it is not pleasing to the 'flesh'. However, they that are in the flesh can not please God.
God's word cannot be contradicted in spite of the contradicting opinions of men.
Thank you so much Pastey 💥🔥
Apt!!!
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good?
Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful)
lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant.
The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy).
The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
@@patrickdavid2076 I don't know what you're driving at but I believe that polygamy is not part of what is lawful but not expedient.
A lot of things changed when Jesus died on the cross. If you thoroughly read the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, you'll find out that many things the law permitted was due to the lusts in the hearts of the Israelites. Remember that there was no quickening spirit then unlike when the Holy Ghost came on the day of Pentecost to give power to everyone that believed in Jesus. I don't think any of the Apostles had more than one wife. That's the pattern God wants us to follow. There's no need to dig into an era were the Holy Spirit was not available as a quickener.
Most importantly, the Bible is not a book to be analysed by men's philosophy. I wish you can follow the teachings on THE BIBLE with CCI.
Marrying more than one wife is fully biblical - here is a small (not complete) list of righteous men who had more than one wife
Abraham (the Father of faith)
Jacob
Gideon (a hero/judge of Israel)
David (God said he gave David his wives or will you conclude that God encourage him to "sin"?)
Caleb
Moses (the law giver on marriage and adultery)
Solomon (the wisest on earth)
Many other kings of Israel
All had more than one wife - God Himself said he had two wives in Ezekiel 23
Polygyny is fully lawful - it's literally in the Torah in the so-called old testament - do your research before coming to incorrect conclusions about what God does and doesn't permit
@@Polygyny Is it why your username is polygyny 😂😂?
What you have said is true but not the TRUTH!!
Bones of my bone & fleshes of my flesh! 😅
We're believers, let's wisen up.
Thank you pastey 😊
Exactly! God removed just one rib from Adam, which He made into a woman. Not various ribs from one man.
How this is even up for discussion as christians is baffling.
@@meemee8202 😅😅
We're all at different stages in our walk with God. Some questions are expected nonetheless so as matured sons, it's important we don't mislead the babes in Christ.
God bless you greatly sir!
That very brief "expose" on Solomon is so underrated. Kai! 🥵🥵
Thank you Pastey
Standing by the truth regardless of what people say!
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good?
Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful)
lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant.
The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy).
The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
Pastor Emmanuel Iren, as long as the authority of the scriptures stands, you're very right sir❤
And al those antagonizing you vua TikTok or wherever only are speaking to fulfill the lost of the flesh...
The eye of their understanding needs to be flooded with light...
Bones of my bone😂😂😂😂. Thank you sir for always speaking the truth. Men are always looking for justifications for their sins. May God help us all
Polygyny is not a sin
God at no time condemned any man for taking more than one wife - God does not regulate sin, yet he regulated polygyny in the law (Torah)
Marrying more than one wife is fully biblical - here is a small (not complete) list of righteous men who had more than one wife
Abraham (the Father of faith)
Jacob
Gideon (a hero/judge of Israel)
David (God said he gave David his wives or will you conclude that God encourage him to "sin"?)
Caleb
Moses (the law giver on marriage and adultery)
Solomon (the wisest on earth)
Many other kings of Israel
All had more than one wife - God Himself said he had two wives in Ezekiel 23
Polygyny is fully lawful - it's literally in the Torah in the so-called old testament - do your research before coming to incorrect conclusions about what God does and doesn't permit
MY FATHER MY FATHER!! 🔥🔥🔥It's always the soundness in your teaching for me. Thank you Papa!
Hello @EmmanuelIrenlive and every member of his church; of course, I know majority of the people in the comment section are members of his church.
I assume everyone here is interested in the truth amd mothing but the truth. I assume what is comfortable is not necessarily what you are interested in, but the absolute truth!
I disagree vehemently with the ideas the pastor raised in this video.
When Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife, he was not prescribing a general standard for Christians! IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS VERY CLEARLY!
If he were giving a general standard for christians, wouldn't he be classifying himself and Jesus as being bad christians, since they both were not married?
AND NO, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THAT IN THAT PASSAGE, PAUL WAS TRYING TO DISAPPROVE OF POLYGAMY.
HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS NOT SHOWING DISAPPROVAL OF POLYGAMY?
LET ME SHOW YOU!
1 COR 7 VS 28
''if you do marry, you haven't committed a sin, and if you don't marry, you haven't committed a sin...but i would rather SPARE YOU THE EVERYDAY TROUBLES THAT MARRIED PEOPLE WILL HAVE''.
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BIBLE AND CONFIRM IT YOURSELF!
The part in that verse i quoted above, especially the part in capital letters show very CLEARLY that the reason paul told the bishops, and not the general congregation that they shoild be the husband of one wife is not because he thinks polygyny is unchristian, but because he thinks marriages have their challenges and a man with more than one wife will have more challeneges at hand to handle and the bishop being the bishop, will ne saddled with a lot of responsibility to the flock. So, Paul wants him to have as little distraction as possible and that's why he said a bishop should be the husband of one wife! He even said it in another verse in the same Corinthians 7.
It says: ''I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- AND HIS INTERESTS ARE DIVIDED.''
Now, the Paul you know...I am not talking about the Paul I know, but the Paul you know from the 13 books he wrote in the bible, What kind of person was the Paul you know when it comes to the things of God?
He said ''of all the apostles, I work the hardest'' 1 Cor 15 vs 10.
And ''...I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means [in any and every way] save some [by leading them to faith in Jesus Christ].'' 1 Cor 9 vs 19 -23
Acts 20:20 (NIV):
"You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house."
Romans 1:14-16 (NIV):
"I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile."
These passages demonstrate Paul's willingness to adapt and relate to different people in order to share the Gospel and win souls for Christ. His dedication to spreading the message of salvation serves as an inspiration for Christians to be proactive in sharing their faith with others.
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What are some other Bible passages that emphasize the importance of winning souls for Christ?
Acts 20:20 (NIV):
"You know that I have not HESITATED to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house."
Romans 1:14-16 (NIV):
"I am OBLIGATED both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am
Apostle Iren's points are 💯
As much as this is important it is very important to understand Marriage very well, study Apostle Paul's teachings, where he painstakingly pointed that the bond between a man and a woman as husband and wife is taking as Christ Jesus and the Church, polygamous means that you believe in God who raised Christ Jesus from the dead and you still now believe in idols and in other gods, Apostle Paul even stressed this by saying that we know that there's only one God.
Study Apostle Paul's writing to the Corinthians.
Now, listen carefully everything Jesus taught and what His disciples taught was based on the plan of God before the foundation of the world which means from Genesis, which is the beginning, God's intent was Salvation whether Adam sins or not it won't change it, it can only prolong the manifestation, which does but can't stop it. So, when Jesus came and the leaders of the law asked him series of questions, He referred them back to the beginning before Moses was born (remember Moses wrote Genesis, so Moses knew the intent of God but the people's heart was so so so rebellious, he even communicated to them in types and shadows. He had to permit them with strict conditions, the law that will guide them, he did them good but it wasn't that good for them).
Study the first two chapters of Genesis very well.
Jesus emphasized that if their fathers had believed Moses they would have believed Him because everything he told them was concerning Him, Luke 24.
"Have they used poverty to swear for you" 😂🤣 Thank you, sir, for staying true to the Truth. The Lord uphold you in Jesus' name.
Powerful....powerful
Pst Iren you are teachings and biblical roots are sound.
God bless you sir
Jesus was in the beginning even before the world was created. He gave the best answer that God made them male and female. God bless you my brother. Keep preaching to the truth. We love you so much.
Jesus said to them have you not read...He expects them to have read... Mathew 19:4 ...you have not finish thinking of how to please one wife not to talk of multiple...and many who are advocating for polygamy is not even Married.
Why will you kill your self before your time ni.
Anybody that comes in after two has been joined as one is putting asunder...is as simple as that.
I love how Jesus ended His statement in Mathew 19:11KJV:But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
Sense is expected where Brain is given.
God bless you for this sound exegesis. I can safely subscribe to this channel.
Sir you're just too wise! God bless you 🤍🙏🏾
You're a Great Teacher of the Word.
More Grace Sir
@kingpaulofkandonesia360
Your pastor is not a great teacher.
here is my response to one of rhe claims he made.
Hello @EmmanuelIrenlive and every member of his church; of course, I know majority of the people in the comment section are members of his church.
I assume everyone here is interested in the truth amd mothing but the truth. I assume what is comfortable is not necessarily what you are interested in, but the absolute truth!
I disagree vehemently with the ideas the pastor raised in this video.
When Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife, he was not prescribing a general standard for Christians! IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS VERY CLEARLY!
If he were giving a general standard for christians, wouldn't he be classifying himself and Jesus as being bad christians, since they both were not married?
AND NO, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THAT IN THAT PASSAGE, PAUL WAS TRYING TO DISAPPROVE OF POLYGAMY.
HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS NOT SHOWING DISAPPROVAL OF POLYGAMY?
LET ME SHOW YOU!
1 COR 7 VS 28
''if you do marry, you haven't committed a sin, and if you don't marry, you haven't committed a sin...but i would rather SPARE YOU THE EVERYDAY TROUBLES THAT MARRIED PEOPLE WILL HAVE''.
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BIBLE AND CONFIRM IT YOURSELF!
The part in that verse i quoted above, especially the part in capital letters show very CLEARLY that the reason paul told the bishops, and not the general congregation that they shoild be the husband of one wife is not because he thinks polygyny is unchristian, but because he thinks marriages have their challenges and a man with more than one wife will have more challeneges at hand to handle and the bishop being the bishop, will ne saddled with a lot of responsibility to the flock. So, Paul wants him to have as little distraction as possible and that's why he said a bishop should be the husband of one wife! He even said it in another verse in the same Corinthians 7.
It says: ''I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- AND HIS INTERESTS ARE DIVIDED.''
Now, the Paul you know...I am not talking about the Paul I know, but the Paul you know from the 13 books he wrote in the bible, What kind of person was the Paul you know when it comes to the things of God?
He said ''of all the apostles, I work the hardest'' 1 Cor 15 vs 10.
And ''...I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means [in any and every way] save some [by leading them to faith in Jesus Christ].'' 1 Cor 9 vs 19 -23
Acts 20:20 (NIV):
"You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house."
Romans 1:14-16 (NIV):
"I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile."
These passages demonstrate Paul's willingness to adapt and relate to different people in order to share the Gospel and win souls for Christ. His dedication to spreading the message of salvation serves as an inspiration for Christians to be proactive in sharing their faith with others.
Share
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Dislike
Tell me more.
Can you provide more examples of how Paul adapted to different cultures to share the Gospel?
How can Christians today apply Paul's approach to sharing their faith with others?
What are some other Bible passages that emphasize the importance of winning souls for Christ?
Acts 20:20 (NIV):
"You know that I have not HESITATED to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house."
Romans 1:14-16 (NIV):
"I am OBLIGATED both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am
Pastor Emmanuel Iren this is 💯
Thank you Pastey. Your teachings are always insightful and debunk misleading doctrines. I'm grateful for this ministry gift🙌
He has been debunked himself!
Very good analogy. Without a doubt you carry an unusual grace 🔥
Pst iren full of wisdom.
‘…Are you determined to be broke in this life…..😁
Profound Sir.
The truth must be told in this generation, thank you papa
So the truth wasn't told in the generations of King David and Abraham? Two of the most righteous men of all time - are you more holy or righteous than these men?
PAPA Iren thank you for such a powerful explanation on Monogamy, I choose to obey the words of God and follow the marriage of one wife 🔥❤😂. How much is too much 😂😂😂😅😅
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good?
Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful)
lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant.
The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy).
The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
To him that knows what to do a does it not to him it is sin. Everything that aborts the original plan of God for mankind it’s a sin
This is so succinctly put, this is almost exactly how my pastor once explained it too. Thank you so much, Pastor Iren. God bless you, Sir.
Hello @EmmanuelIrenlive and every member of his church; of course, I know majority of the people in the comment section are members of his church.
I assume everyone here is interested in the truth amd mothing but the truth. I assume what is comfortable is not necessarily what you are interested in, but the absolute truth!
I disagree vehemently with the ideas the pastor raised in this video.
When Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife, he was not prescribing a general standard for Christians! IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS VERY CLEARLY!
If he were giving a general standard for christians, wouldn't he be classifying himself and Jesus as being bad christians, since they both were not married?
AND NO, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THAT IN THAT PASSAGE, PAUL WAS TRYING TO DISAPPROVE OF POLYGAMY.
HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS NOT SHOWING DISAPPROVAL OF POLYGAMY?
LET ME SHOW YOU!
1 COR 7 VS 28
''if you do marry, you haven't committed a sin, and if you don't marry, you haven't committed a sin...but i would rather SPARE YOU THE EVERYDAY TROUBLES THAT MARRIED PEOPLE WILL HAVE''.
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BIBLE AND CONFIRM IT YOURSELF!
The part in that verse i quoted above, especially the part in capital letters show very CLEARLY that the reason paul told the bishops, and not the general congregation that they shoild be the husband of one wife is not because he thinks polygyny is unchristian, but because he thinks marriages have their challenges and a man with more than one wife will have more challeneges at hand to handle and the bishop being the bishop, will ne saddled with a lot of responsibility to the flock. So, Paul wants him to have as little distraction as possible and that's why he said a bishop should be the husband of one wife! He even said it in another verse in the same Corinthians 7.
It says: ''I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- AND HIS INTERESTS ARE DIVIDED.''
Now, the Paul you know...I am not talking about the Paul I know, but the Paul you know from the 13 books he wrote in the bible, What kind of person was the Paul you know when it comes to the things of God?
He said ''of all the apostles, I work the hardest'' 1 Cor 15 vs 10.
And ''...I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means [in any and every way] save some [by leading them to faith in Jesus Christ].'' 1 Cor 9 vs 19 -23
Acts 20:20 (NIV):
"You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house."
Romans 1:14-16 (NIV):
"I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile."
These passages demonstrate Paul's willingness to adapt and relate to different people in order to share the Gospel and win souls for Christ. His dedication to spreading the message of salvation serves as an inspiration for Christians to be proactive in sharing their faith with others.
Share
Like
Dislike
Tell me more.
Can you provide more examples of how Paul adapted to different cultures to share the Gospel?
How can Christians today apply Paul's approach to sharing their faith with others?
What are some other Bible passages that emphasize the importance of winning souls for Christ?
Acts 20:20 (NIV):
"You know that I have not HESITATED to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house."
Romans 1:14-16 (NIV):
"I am OBLIGATED both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am
You preached it right, sir!!!
Thank you brother for teaching the lost souls the truth about marriage.
Chaaaaiii, my love for you just went off roof. Meeeehnnnn, One Spirit, one Lord, one Father of all.
I once curiously asked the same question some years ago. I said love Abraham, he married two wives, l love David, he married more than one wives. That's was my exact thought. So I asked, would it be a sin if peradventure a marry another wife. I said with all sincerity in my heart
Just as Pastor Iren had said, the Holy Spirit took back to the beginning, he said l was the one who knew that it is not good for Adam to be alone and l created an Eve for him. Then the Lord said,, if he needs more than one Eve, l would have just created her.
I am so excited that we have someone like Pastor lren in the Social place. Love you Pastey😊
Thank you so much, Pastey 🙏🏾
God will bless you for being a worthy example to us. May He continue to strengthen you in your walk with Him and your ministry. Amen ❤
Thank you very much Sir...short & understanding video...i pray every believer who gets asked the question can wisely teach the truth 🙏❤
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good?
Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful)
lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant.
The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy).
The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
Very interesting to read...I will come back to this ur comment later.
Thanks for ur view
@@olawalejohn7054 I feel demonising Polygamy is wrong, for spiritual growth being unmarried is the route(Jesus, the apostles except Peter were all unmarried for the sake of the Gospel), the next level is being married to one Wife as that is what a Priest is required to have, but for whatever reason that is too much you are to be Polygamous(the constraint is you are not to marry unbelievers as what Solomon did) its' clear. Paul even said it is wrong to forbid to marry(I am sure we feel it is one wife) in Timothy and in Corinthians he gave his reason and that is than to be in lust. Polygamy will always have a higher place and standing than Fornication.
If anything it shames the act of adultery and fornication cos it takes away the excuse, as u can marry the woman u have feelings towards and the woman can marry the man she see's as her provider(without all these modern day prostitution) and exposes the lasciviousness of an individual.
This whole slay queen behaviour is because women aren't getting married, a married woman has a husband and a family she belongs to, she can't be twerking. E.g Regina Daniels before marriage and after marriage. She has more carriage because she is under a man.
Simplest point is in modern day countries that are conservative sexually, haven't bought into LGBTQ, women are more decently dressed, least tolerance for sexual perversion are majorly the Polygamous countries(Middle East and Africa), making Paul's claim relate to this. 1Tim 4 vs 1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, forbidding to marry...
In Christendom where do u hear Pastors are Pedophile and sexual abusers? First thought is the Catholic church. It's one thing to sleep with a consenting adult of the opposite sex another to sleep with a child of same sex(we know one is more weird). Guess what they forbade marriage?
The only reason you are forbidden to marry is blood ties, and the other isn't forbiddance but advise is unbelievers cos of the unequal yoke they pose.
@@patrickdavid2076God helped David go to war and kill as well. Shall we say killing is not a sin then?
Pastey ..you shattered this table .. thank you
Just one woman alone is enough. The world is crazy nowadays!
Godbless you Pastor! Keep on preaching the Good news!
Why do men look for women. One woman is not enough but manuscripts be content.
Im so blessed to be under Apostles teachings. People should wake up oooo
God bless you for standing for the truth sir. God bless you so much. More grace to keep defending the truth in Jesus' name.
Thank God for his grace over your life and ministry,you actually nailed it by using your knowledge of the world of God ,more Grace for you sir.
Hello @EmmanuelIrenlive and every member of his church; of course, I know majority of the people in the comment section are members of his church.
I assume everyone here is interested in the truth amd mothing but the truth. I assume what is comfortable is not necessarily what you are interested in, but the absolute truth!
I disagree vehemently with the ideas the pastor raised in this video.
When Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife, he was not prescribing a general standard for Christians! IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS VERY CLEARLY!
If he were giving a general standard for christians, wouldn't he be classifying himself and Jesus as being bad christians, since they both were not married?
AND NO, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THAT IN THAT PASSAGE, PAUL WAS TRYING TO DISAPPROVE OF POLYGAMY.
HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS NOT SHOWING DISAPPROVAL OF POLYGAMY?
LET ME SHOW YOU!
1 COR 7 VS 28
''if you do marry, you haven't committed a sin, and if you don't marry, you haven't committed a sin...but i would rather SPARE YOU THE EVERYDAY TROUBLES THAT MARRIED PEOPLE WILL HAVE''.
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BIBLE AND CONFIRM IT YOURSELF!
The part in that verse i quoted above, especially the part in capital letters show very CLEARLY that the reason paul told the bishops, and not the general congregation that they shoild be the husband of one wife is not because he thinks polygyny is unchristian, but because he thinks marriages have their challenges and a man with more than one wife will have more challeneges at hand to handle and the bishop being the bishop, will ne saddled with a lot of responsibility to the flock. So, Paul wants him to have as little distraction as possible and that's why he said a bishop should be the husband of one wife! He even said it in another verse in the same Corinthians 7.
It says: ''I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- AND HIS INTERESTS ARE DIVIDED.''
Now, the Paul you know...I am not talking about the Paul I know, but the Paul you know from the 13 books he wrote in the bible, What kind of person was the Paul you know when it comes to the things of God?
He said ''of all the apostles, I work the hardest'' 1 Cor 15 vs 10.
And ''...I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means [in any and every way] save some [by leading them to faith in Jesus Christ].'' 1 Cor 9 vs 19 -23
Acts 20:20 (NIV):
"You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house."
Romans 1:14-16 (NIV):
"I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile."
These passages demonstrate Paul's willingness to adapt and relate to different people in order to share the Gospel and win souls for Christ. His dedication to spreading the message of salvation serves as an inspiration for Christians to be proactive in sharing their faith with others.
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Can you provide more examples of how Paul adapted to different cultures to share the Gospel?
How can Christians today apply Paul's approach to sharing their faith with others?
What are some other Bible passages that emphasize the importance of winning souls for Christ?
Acts 20:20 (NIV):
"You know that I have not HESITATED to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house."
Romans 1:14-16 (NIV):
"I am OBLIGATED both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. For I am
Also remember 1 Corinthians 10:23 I have freedom to do everything but not everything is good for me. We should not use our freedom in Christ to indulge the flesh🤌
first part applies, all things are lawful is particular to the individual based on the context of the passage.. The question I would like to ask is was and is polygamy a sin?
If it is a case of lawful and gainful, then it is a personal choice as Paul referred to food sacrificed to Idols in one of the 2 references of that quote.
@@patrickdavid2076 The thing is it's best not to do it. Polygamy is a very risky thing look at Solomon for example, All those women caused him grief.
But if you still want to do polygamy
Ask God if it is His will 🤷♀️
But we find it in Scripture that it's best not to 🤷♀️
@@folasadesubomi About Solomon the Bible clearly said it was the foreign women, the bible warned Israel about strange women whether monogamy or polygamy as can be seen in the story of Balaam when he advised Balak to make the Midianites women tempt the Israelite men, same can be seen with Samson, even in the return in Nehemiah or Ezra, the people causing confusion were mostly the mixed breed, and in the seperation of the 2 Kingdom, Israel was known to have inter-married with Samaria while Judah stayed pure. But from Polygamy with Godly women we can see Gideon, David, Jacob. Infact God's issue with David was him taken another man's wife not with him having more wives, infact God blessed that union with the next King (Solomon) were as David's wife of his youth was barren(Michal).
@@folasadesubomi Simplest point is in modern day countries that are conservative sexually, haven't bought into LGBTQ, women are more decently dressed, least tolerance for sexual perversion are majorly the Polygamous countries(Middle East and Africa), making Paul's claim relate to this. 1Tim 4 vs 1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, forbidding to marry...
The only reason you are forbidden to marry is blood ties, and the other isn't forbiddance but advise is unbelievers cos of the unequal yoke they pose.
Thank God for Pastey❤. More grace unto you Sir
This is Heavenly wisdom here.
Some people don't understand the way the Bible works Sir. Those who were doing the dragging about your argument just need some more Bible study. Thank you for your wonderful teaching Sir
Thank You Sir!! God’s Original Design on marriage is so clear. I also believe it addresses the issue of age as well
God never stated his "original" design on marriage - it just said he made them "male and female"
Monogamy and polygyny are two marriage structures God permits and blessed
@@Polygyny You have lust problems and you’re trying to mask it with scriptures😂
@vahlehrie ad honiem attacks isn't an argument
I bet you don't even know what the biblical definition of lust even is - well from your comment it is clear that you don't
Deal with my points, personal attacks and assumptions about my life is the foolishness that the Pharisees tried with Christ. Again, address my points - if yoy can't keep quiet👍
@@Polygyny all this silly grammar for me? Hell no!!😂 just shut up and learn. You have lust problems and you’re trying to mask it with scriptures. Get help plus I’m not keeping quiet. Naughty thing
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. Genesis 2:24@@Polygyny
Thank you Sir. The bible never contradicts itself. From Adam to Noah, these FIRST Patriarchs all had ONE wives representing Gods IDEAL template for marriage. Even though polygamy happened it was simply due to God permissive Will.
The first person in the Bible that married two wives ended up committing murder. His name was Lamech.
God does not permit people to break his 10 commandments - there is no such thing as "permissive will" - this is man-made lingo that proves nothing
God never at one time said that polygyny is a sin and he blessed many men with multiple wives
@@Polygyny you're missing The entire Context and Message of both my response and the video posted.
The Point is Polygamy is not God's Ideal Plan , its not the Perfect will of God. God created Adam and gave him one wife. When God destroyed the world with the flood do you think it was mere coincidence that Noah and his three sons each had ONE wife. That represents Gods Perfect will for mankind.
Poly was just permitted (his Permissive will) its not God ideal plan from the very beginning.
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For me, polygamy or not is not wel dinied practice in the bible.
Interestingly , what did God say to those who practised it? Remember, God walked and spoke to them.
I dont believe its for everyone, those who practice it, will they go to hell after we lead them to accept Christ?
Do they need to divorce some of their wives after they accept Christ as their Lord and saviour?
There is not enough information to balance this discussion, maybe the omitted scripts would have given us more clarity.
Is Polygamy a sin? Will Polygamy nulify a person's confession of the Lordship of Christ?
@calebo6964 I haven't missed any point. No where in scripture does it state what God's ideal plan is for marriage structure.
Paul said marriage is a mystery which refers to Christ and the Church (household of God), yet Christ will be married to many individuals (polygyny) that make up the Church so it seems that polygyny is the actual ideal to follow your logic
The fact is there is no "ideal" marriage structure given by God - he simply gave men a choice: some men want just one wife and some men want multiple wives/concubines, some men don't seek marriage at all - all these circumstances are valid before God and God does not respect one more than the other, except obeying the commandments of God, not human opinion on what God thinks or human opinion on morality and ethics
Right answer
The issues with many people is lack of revelation of Christ that's why there's unnecessary argument, Jesus is our perfect example...
Jesus didn't even marry - so he didn't give any example on what is "perfect" marriage but he did point to the law that allowed men to marry multiple wives and in his parable he described himself as the bridegroom who was marrying 5 virgins but was planned to marry 10 virgins
Thank you so much Pastor, God bless you.
Pastor go on👏👏👏
I don't even like debates like this tbh. There are three reasons why these sort of debates are rife...
1. People are not trained to listen to and rely on the voice of the Holy Spirit inside of them.
2. People don't have a good conscience, so they are not even trying to do right.
3. People don't love God. If you love God, you want to love people, you'll want to be led by the Spirit of God, you'll want to have a good conscience.
We can have theological debates, but till we allow the Holy Spirit to begin to guide us in good conscience. We'll keep falling for carnality and needing reasoning to live right.
May God give us His wisdom in Jesus Name.
Truth is has nothing to do with popular opinions, Truth is what God affirms, His Words and He is about.
Believers can learn from this, that standing by what the Lord Jesus stands for would make you an enemy, hated by most men. But be encouraged and expect this, for if Christ was hated so greatly, how much more we His children. Never let their backslash, hatred or disapproval stop you from speaking His Will, His Ways, His purposes, His Words and Righteousness.
Nothing else matters, nothing won't stand except His Word and Purposes. Polygamy was never the plans of The Father, it was permissible by Him to the old fathers and He turned it around for His purposes.
This is the truth, no matter how many people don't agree with this, just know that He agrees with this and that's what matters, it's final.
Shalom
Well said Sir, thank God for taking my mind back to "in the beginning" , let them keep dragging, the truth must still be spoken by Jesus true ambassadors
Malachi.2:11-15 God vehemently disagrees with polygamy. I respect and agree with you. God bless you so much.
You quote scriptures out of context.
So thankful for my pastor, Apostle Emmanuel Iren🔥
Wow! What a short but sound teaching sir. May the Almighty you preach clearly, bless and keep you. Amen 🙏
Sound teaching!
This pastor is so sound
The wisdom here is A1
Such balance! Thank you Sir!
Paul was talking criterias to occupy leadership positions in the church not every believer, of course that means it's good to marry one wife be it's not compulsory for every believer.
This is pure truth! God bless you sir.
This is absolutely insightful sir. Thanks fo letting God use you.
Thank you sir for this crystal clear explaination.
Lolz, the only people that will be angry with this are men who can't control their sexual urges and think polygamy is God's gift to them to prove their superiority.
And a woman dragging this is a sorry state of woman.
The Christian marriage is a 3 fold chord, God, man, and his wife. Even Solomon after his erring knew the truth. I saw someone saying the wisest man married how many. They only quote from people's failure not triumph. Solomon in his clear head said, "enjoy the wife of your youth in Prov5:8 and the wife whom you love, Ecc9:9" not wives.😂
People won't read from when his eyes have cleared, it's to take things he did in his error and use it as a standard.
Any believer arguing this needs serious help.
Pastor Iren 🔥🔥🔥
Yes sir 🙌🏽
This servant of YAH.....has just found a new subscriber. All Glory to Jesus🤍🤍
Very true. Wise counsel. So profound
God bless you, Sir❤
Jesus is the wisdom of God, any other wisdom is earthly wisdom, any other understanding that is outside Jesus is questionable. Thank you sir🙏🏿
So God went against Jesus when he said he gave King David his wives and would have given him more wives if he asked in 2 Samuel?
Your statement makes no sense when taken to it's logical conclusion
Jesus is not higher than the God of the Torah and at no time did Jesus contradict his Father or change the law of Moses - God's standards for sin and rigtheousness did not change when Jesus came
What exactly is the purpose of marriage??
God bless this teaching
The division and doctrines in Christiandom is so alarming.
God bless u pastor. It's very enlightened
Thank you, Pasteyyy. This is enlightening
That’s so true, thank you pastor.
Man Full Of Wisdom 🙇🏾🙇🏾🙇🏾
Now I agree that people don’t like hearing the truth! What is wrong in what he said? Na wah o
Well said Pastor Iren
Hitting the nail on the head gan gan😁 Kai thank you sir!
We are called to be King and Priests and the old testament says especially of Priests to have only one wife. That is the reason a believer should be monogamous, but I think the question is, is polygamy a sin not is it good?
Something may not be the best option doesn't make it sin(All things are lawful but not all things are gainful)
lumping polygamy with sin is what is wrong, if anything Paul comes to say it is better to stay unmarried and he said imitate me as I imitate christ and that is why the Catholic priests are unmarried. I am sure if sexual lust was easy people would claim marriage is a sin and that in the initial beginning God created man for worship and that was the very purpose of man even before marriage and say that was what Paul meant.
The balance is monogamy is God's preferred form of marriage but polygamy isn't sin, old or new testament and we can't say God is more stricter in the new testament than the old neither can we say God condoned sin(polygamy) in the old but now in the new it is now recognized as Sin(polygamy).
The idea of polygamy also is why we have this hookup culture, because men can become providers to women they aren't married to and women can receive financial security from men that aren't their father or husband. Whereas polygamy would always ask the question so where is your husband as Jesus asked the woman at the well? u can't just be with a man cos nothing stops him and u from being married even if he already has a wife.
God bless you, Sir.
My Pastor❤
The Bible is indeed silent on polygamy, and you cannot use passages on divorce to explain away polygamy, nor can you use the creation story.
If God disapproved of polygamy it would have been condemned outright, but it wasn’t (a king not multiplying wives to himself speaks only of excess) A reading of 2 Samuel 12:8 has God saying to David through Nathan, “… I gave your masters wives into your arms …” With respect to Timothy, why would Paul say that an overseer must be the husband of but one wife? Could it be that polygamy was practiced and allowed in the early church? In his letter to the Corinthians a man was accused of sleeping with his father’s wife - of course there are many permutations we could make here depending on our cultural outlook. But one thing we know is that the man was not sleeping with his mother, otherwise the accusation will be one of incest.
In my view the matter of polygamy is a cultural one and this is why context is important in exegeting Scripture. The theological question will be the outworking of justice, love and fairness in the polygamous household, as in all households.
But is polygamy acceptable today? Again it depends on the cultural context in which the question is being asked AND and also dependent on those who would be partaking in the arrangement.
This is not to disrespect Pastor Iren, I just disagree with him on this occasion.
1.) Going back to the origin/beginning of anything is important to understand the intent behind its creation. Jesus used the creation of one man and one woman to explain divorce, the same principal applies for polygamy. God made them ONE man and ONE woman. That was the intent of the person who created the institution.
2.) No where in the Bible is it indicated that David married Saul’s wives. “I gave you your masters wives…” does not indicate that he married or slept with them, nor did God want Him too. 2 Sam 12:8 also talks about other things given to David (e.g, Saul’s house), not just his wives. It was customary for widows to be taken care of, the Bible is replete with instructions on this. If it was just about women and marriage (since David was being reprimanded for his sexual sin), prophet Nathan could have left out the other gifts and mentioned just Saul’s wives to indicate specifically that “Saul’s wives were his reward.”
3.) Paul’s instruction to timothy also included other traits that were expected of believers anyway. In 1 Cor 5:5, Paul condemned a “believer” known to be having sexual relations with his fathers wife. It was probably because of those sought of people that Paul was clear on the attributes of a deacon. Just because believers practiced a certain thing did not make it acceptable, and so Paul was being clear in his instructions to Timothy that all these things are expected of Christians so they’re the bare minimum to holding a spiritual office.
Cultural norms can never trump original design. Just because a culture only stands on a chair does not negate the original design of the creator: a chair is to be sat on, that is it’s primary purpose (this is a crass example, but I hope you understand my point). It doesn’t matter if the entire world is doing something a certain way, the one who created the institution created it as ONE male to ONE female. If He wanted it any other way, what stopped Him from giving Adam choices?
I appreciate God's wisdom based on the facts that we can make a choice. Based on what I have read in the Bible and what has been explained by wonderful Men and Woman in the Christendom on how they understood the word of God, I believe that polygamy isn't for everyone. Whoever believes in it should have a concrete agreement with those they have chosen to practice it with. God has always moved based on agreement and not of numbers. It is the heart that matters most to God. As for me, this is a matter that needs to be addressed.
@@rhemapeeakins5061 if God moved on agreement, the 10 commandments that state what we explicitly should and shouldn’t do would not exist.
@@rhemapeeakins5061 Also, we have a choice doesn’t mean we can’t make the wrong one. The doctor prescribes treatment to save your life, still it’s your choice to listen to him or not. Most kids will choose to have candy for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It’s their choice, but the wrong one. Mankind can choose to practice polygamy, that’s doesn’t make it the right choice, a choice contrary to God’s intent for the institution He created.
Even the Quran gave criteria on marry up to 4 wives and if you can meet up stick to one, but people can twist scriptures to satisfy their urge