Florence Nightingale
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2013
- A very good documentary about Florence Nightingale. It tackles her legacy with both positive and negative interpretations. This will be particularly useful for students of the Crimean War era and for GCSE students working on medicine through time. It is worthwhile to also search for UA-cam videos of Mary Seacole. Uploaded for educational purposes only.
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Where is her. Sister
In case you missed this one in your website you can add to it Mary Seacole and true hero
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She was a different woman, very determined to help others. I feel like she needs more traction, but people don’t really care about history much.
They allow some man to give his dismissive opinion as the final word in this.. A man who never in his life had to stand in filth and care for a critically wounded person or spend long nights trying to send letters home to his mother and conceal the horrors of her son's death. On top of this, Nightingale had to deal with the trivialization of women in general and common soldiers as well in order to get anything done. It's easy to trivialize her now or berate her for not seeing the "obvious" link between sanitation and the high death rate. If it were so obvious why did the situation exist in the first place? I admire her very much and understand that she had some of the limitations of her time and station in life. Where most rich women spent their time going to parties and enjoying themselves, she willingly went off into hell and made a difference. That should be the final word on her life. Her simple headstone and refusal of a state funeral shows she was not the egomaniac person they imply.
Very well said!
Thank you. I am a non practicing RN and she is highly revered in professional circles. This presentation here is unfairly biased against her, it seems.
Men!! Good at warring, denigrating women, bad at most things
Her childhood and youth must have felt as if someone had their foot down hard on the accelerator and the other firmly on the brake..a nightmare for an intelligent woman.
This is so different than the woman I always imagined and to hear her voice at the end was like history coming to life. Thank You for posting this remarkable woman's life story.
Serious historians of the Crimean War rarely give Nightingale much credit for the work she performed in Scutari, preferring instead to highlight the efforts of other women, such as Mary Stanley, who did not receive the celebrity treatment and who have largely been forgotten. Nightingale was a symbol of the British government's failure to support the troops in the Crimea. She was lifted up by journalists such as William Russell and used as a weapon against an inadequate government. That said, even though she retired to her bed for forty years afterwards, her name carried forward into the medical profession and inspired many worthwhile achievements, especially for women.
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Don't believe it, Florence did more, but the money dogs only accept someone who is a dog doctor like them. Don't let them use you, they are all trying to save their profession, nothing more in front of the nightingale.👍🏻
She was full of humanity. I respect her from my heart.
I recall my older sister idolizing Ms. Nightingale when we were young. I think because of her my sister became a nurse.
Lois Wright Thanks Lois! She certainly inspired a lot of people, and she still does, old and young.
It always amazes me how some individuals like to criticize and speculate on the character of historical individuals. They rely on the information from the past, whether it is slanderous or factual. I am sure Florence Nightengale's attempts may not have been perfect and there is always some ego involved, but she had horrible obstacles to face and did the best with the knowledge that she possessed of medicine of the time and sanitation. Also being authoritative was a necessary element in leadership. She also had a right to her opinions of the day.
I tend to agree, Pamela, but then historians have nothing else to go on but the evidence from the past. Whether the evidence is reliable or not is for the historian to evaluate, and some do it better than others.
I think the female 'can do no wrong' attitude at this documentary, because it knocks at their preconceptions, does more harm than good. Nightingale wasn't perfect. Nuff said.
I've never heard such contempt for Miss Nightengale before. Interesting.
Kinda like mother Teresa, those that worked for her hated her
@Bighill 'obbit they BOTH have faults. Nobody is perfect
@Bighill 'obbit Seacole helped. Seacole nursed. Both women should have all sides of their stories told in all its flawed glory. NEITHER should be held above the other. Positive discrimination has its place and Mary was in the shadows for decades. I personally think BOTH heroines should be taught as the BOTH brought skills and woman to light in different ways.
@Bighill 'obbit well we will agree to disagree and never the twain shall meet😊
Seacole is a myth, the woman was a cafeteria owner not a nurse lmao
Soldiers were more likely to live if they were kept in a front line Regimental hospital because their injures did not warrant further rearward evacuation. Those most severely injured were evacuated to Scutari. They also had to be evacuated across the Black Sea in poor conditions over which Nightingale had no control.
Florence Nightingale was a gift to humanity, which reminds me of Mary Eliza Mahoney. Thank you both for your service, and may your legacy continue on.
She was master organizer and was dictatorial because she had to be, once she was confronted with the utter disorganization and lack of concern at military hospitals. Scutari was death trap long before she got there!!
The statement made at the start that "more soldiers died" under her care is probably taken from biased angle. Without knowing the nature of the wounds of the patients in the different hospitals, a camparison cannot be made.
Is it not conceivable that frontline hospitals took care of minor wounds (flesh wounds) while more serious cases (more likely to die anyway) were sent to a rear-line hospital (in this cases Scutari)?
In case Scutari DID receive the "hopeless" cases (briefly mentioned at 32 mins) a "double as high" mortality rate could actually be seen as an achievement.
thank you for this comment
Remarkable. I only wished this could be shown in nursing schools around the country. I am very intrigued by N.J.’s journalism, and cause that set the nursing standards we upheld for the past century.
Lytton Strachey's account is a valuable antidote. She was forced into the role of administrator rather than nurse at Scutari, and a proper evaluation of her impact demands full appreciation of what she found when she first arrived and the problems that she faced in countering total disorganization within rigid and uncaring bureaucracy.
I appreciated the documentary in that it showed the complexity of a person - a saint, a ruthless political operator, and advocate for the frontline soldier.
Ian de la Rosa just a PR at it’s finest
Western women have so few historical heroines to look up to that this must have been fun to make, knowing it was taking down one of the few we have. Bravo!
It was sad to listen to these people who have never nursed and never had a clue under what conditions Florence had to work. Everything about this documentary is hearsay.
Let the dogs bark, you are a secondary character to Florence Nightingale👍🏻
Thanks Alan for the video. This wasn't an anti-feminist video. She wasn't standing up for women. She was woman who wanted to do her own thing, and she didn’t care what others thought. Did she do anything that change the world, I don't think so. Do I think she is bit overrated? Yes. Was she brave? Yes. This documentary shows how the Victorian era was like. How being your own person (didn't matter if you were a woman or man) was truly hard in that society that expected you to act, look certain way. That being different was seen as not proper.
Many was torn by this dilemma. Lewis Carroll was. He hated his society, he wasn't free to do as he please. Torn between his religious belief and science, what was proper what was not. Victoria era was very restrictive, and very prudish society.Now, one could argue that Florence and Carroll did it to themselves being overly concerned what other people thought, but everything that you did was criticised and your reputation easily soiled.
One must remember, even in the 1800s the idea that hospital should be clean wasn't taken seriously until later. Many soldiers died in Crimea War, because their affinities were not clean. Doctors left patients to bleed to death. Medical knowledge in that era was still pretty backwards. Don't believe me just read some doctors thought how a woman could not get pregnant were pretty shocking by today's knowledge. Just read doctor's view point on hysteria from that time.
The Victorian times are interesting, confusing, hypocritical in every sense of word, backwards, filled with science, free thinkers. And more I learn about it, the more I see that this time could have use some Buddhist thinking of being moderate. Everything was taken to the extreme. People political thinking was either too far right or too far left.
I had read a lot a on the Crimean war and knew the basic's of F.N but its nice to delve into the life of the woman for a birds eye view of the whole scene in the Crimea. Another Great Doc. Thanks Dr Brown
For all interested parties, here is the full reference information for this video:
Title: Florence Nightingale: Iron Maiden
Produced and directed by: Clare Beavan.
British Broadcasting Corporation, 2001
Hope this helps!
Thank you!
Telling the other side of her life.
Nobody is perfect and she as well as Mary had faults.
Oh and before anyone buts in. I'm in nursing!
Kidding aside....the four soldiers standing in the snow,the one at the far left is the 21 years old me(im 40),also I'm the dead soldier spread starshaped in the snow. My 're enactment group was hired. Other bits are from the old charge of the light brigade film though of course.
I'm Scottish and it was filmed at Glencoe. We got 80pounds each for the day!
peter mcallister very interesting. That’s lovely to know. I hope you had fun, I’ve done some SA work on movies too, very interesting and so much fun.
Nursing milestone ...woman's power of toughest patients care in war
A very interesting documentary about Florence Nightingale. You do not show this woman as a legend but as a person with mistakes and weaknesses. In their hospital in Scutari more soldiers died than elsewhere ... this is a break with the legend and I am very glad that the human beeing becomes visible behind the legend. Also the relationship between Florence and Sidney Herbert is questioned by you or put into a new light. Very good! A successful documentation, which I liked very much.
Thank you, Nicolette. However, it was not *I* who made this film; I simply uploaded it. Regards - Alan
I am a retired nurse and read about this lady. To tell the truth, there is a lot of things in this video that I don't really wan't to know.so I didn't continue to watch. Why is so important to tarshish a persons reputation that isn't alive ? I chose to remember the good things.
Another Sullivan oh I’m off to a tarshish party. I love a good tarshish. Tarshishing is so much fun, never let the actual facts get in the way of a good story eh Ann?
This is more of a revisionist history hit piece than a documentary.
It's not revisionist simply because you disagree with it.
C Redd It is purely revisionist. The Left desperately needs to trash iconic heroes and heroines, in order to present the State as the uber-God. This is utter nonsense, and hopefully the Euros will not fall for this garbage.
I don't agree it was entirely revisionist, I just think this particular narrative tells the whole story.
C Redd Obviously you have fallen for the Left's crap-propaganda. The truth is that Nightingale and her nurses actually scrubbed down the hospital, which was a filthy cesspool, all the while grappling with the command staff in the Crimea, who did not want women in theater. Eventually it was discovered that a bacteria-infested cistern was the direct cause of a higher death rate than usual. Without Nightingale, the mortality rate would have been much higher.
Terrence Lorelei Amen, Terrence! If Florence were as bad as this pseudo-documentary portrays, the soldiers who had first-hand knowledge of her methods would have REPORTED it at the time.
Very interesting documentary.. A few things troubled me.. To say she was "possibly" sexually attracted to her female cousin is odd and pointless... Saying that she was a terrible nurse because her sister said so.. words of a nasty sister hardly count as evidence of her nursing skills do they? And yet those poor soldiers, who were dying in that contaminated hospital all loved her. This unfeminine woman with no warmth who was a terrible nurse? Doesn't really make sense..
Thanks for your comment! I agree that focusing on her sexuality was a bit futile when a focus on her social class bias would have been more instructive, especially when she selected her first batch of nurses to travel to Scutari. As for her nursing skills, that is a little more complicated. She owed much of her appointment to Sidney Herbert's influence rather than her professional successes, and she was a little behind the curve in medical thinking at the time, stubbornly refusing to credit poor hygiene as the primary cause of deaths at Scutari. What cannot be denied, however, is her legacy. She created a milieu in which women could enter the nursing profession with honour, and that I think gives her full rights to her place in history. Regards - Alan.
Alan Brown Thanks for your reply. It was definitely an interesting take on her life and one that made her appear more human. I guess the problem with documentaries is they do not cite references. So if you hear something you find a bit hard to believe you can't just look up where that particular information was found. That said though I did enjoy this upload. Thanks
As a nurse myself, Florence has always inspired me. She must have been a revolutionary person and thanks to her nursing is what it is today. She was a very skilled nurse and a very warm and caring person.
Apart from her racism....
IBeLIEve InTheTruth ha.. nursing today. True, a woman can spend a few years in school and have a decent job - but the profession itself isn’t so great. Waitresses of the medical world, and every year the state dumping more and more BS paperwork into the mix...it’s all rush rush rush trying to get the work done, usually with no where near enough help, and then the majority of the shift time charting about everything you did.
The more I get older and I'm now 70, the more I realise that most of what I was taught in School was a load of rubbish!
Scutari was a death trap. To say more soldiers died there than elsewhere is a fact but that was because of Scutari itself. To suggest the deaths were a reflection on Florence is repugnant, scandalous and more than an insult to her memory as well as to her team who struggled under terrible conditions. If it was not for her, the deaths in that cesspit would have been much higher.
It grieves me when these modern historical "know alls" come on TV and knock our traditional heroes and heroines.
Mr Brown,you are entitled to your learned opinion but I shall stick to mine. If she was so ineffective as you indicate, I wonder why she is still so revered 160 years later.
Which of my comments do you object to, Adrian?
Alan Brown My objection is clear in the comments I make.
Adrian Larkins I've re-read all of my comments on this film and I don't think I've described her as "so ineffective", but I do believe she was a better manager than she was a nurse. Any 'ineffectiveness' has to be balanced against the significant improvement in survival rates _after_ the Sanitary Commission cleaned up Scutari in March 1855. Nightingale largely believed that hygiene was a lesser part of the problem at Scutari, and quite frankly she was wrong. That does not make her "ineffective", but it exposes her relatively slight training before she entered the profession. The main reason for her contemporary (and later) fame is mainly due to William Russell who wrote glowing eulogies in the _Times_ newspaper that cemented her reputation as "the ministering angel" and the "Lady with the Lamp". Russell was building a celebrity, and he made sure that her struggles against authority were seen as the fault of an incompetent government which the _Times_ despised.
***** I tend to agree with that view. Both FN and Earhart were trail blazers, and their legacies left much upon which others could successfully build.
Adrian Larkins I learned at nursing school, that she was the first to use graphs and research in her nursing. Where the heck is that information in this video? That's big. Everything in nursing is now evidence based. Why they did not credit her for this.
I really enjoyed this - thank you!! Very good for my nursing studies paper on her!! Cheers from New Zealand
My pleasure, Sezzy!
Mary Seacole was amazing too at that time.
It's lovely to hear the history of both women.
Seacole did nothing but serve food.
Thank you So Much. I'm a History buff and Biographpies are my favorite. Love them more than ice cream :0)
More than ice cream? Wow, you are a serious aficionado! There's still more good films to come, so please stay in touch. Thanks - Alan.
It's interesting how the people of the day idolised her yet our revisionist historians (and I use the term loosely if this so called documentary is an example) seem to know better. But that is the beauty of UA-cam documentaries... we can dispense with the bibliographies and present what we like.
very good documentary with one of the pioneers of modern nursing... as a nurse I do look up with pride to her...
I think that though she had lapses, she had corrected it with much impact that lasted until the present and this may vindicate her... my respect towards her did not change a bit and gave me the inspiration to support for the fight of better welfare, like higher pay and more humane working hours, for nurses in my country...
beautiful indeed... though i think the term more had died under her care is a very strong implication and I also hoped that you have included her book notes in nursing... thank you ^_^
Thanks, Kevin. I agree that she was a pioneer for her time, but of course she ran into much of the patronising misogyny we associate with the 19th century. But she also had many supporters, and there were many also who regarded her more as a trailblazer rather than a good nurse _per se_.
The one thing I don't like about this is at the beginning they make out that the higher deaths at scutari was because off Florence. She was sent to a hospital already set up and the men were already in terrible conditions with no one leading, no food and no care. The death toll would have been high had she not turned up. She campaigned to get them fed and gave them a better end before death. Ok she didn't realise that the sewerage was playing a part, but she did what she could and took charge of a place that had no regime at all. We all make mistakes and at least she learnt from them. I just don't like that so many seem to blame the number of deaths on this 1 woman, we never hear of any doctors that must have been at the hospital and why they never did anything for the better either!
I wish Florence Nightingale was alive now and my age, she sounds like the perfect woman for me, unconventional, intelligent and motivated and most of all, strong.
+Jazzy J- Perhaps, but if the doc is to be believed, she certainly wasn't exactly a warm loving person, especially for a nurse. But that is something I require in a significant other, you may not need those qualities in a partner. If she were alive now and was still wanting to work in the medical field in some capacity, with her personality and qualities, she would likelier be drawn to a position as Hospital Administrator.
Hunny Beez True that, I believe that I would like her just as she is if she was alive today.
Thank you for sharing this documentary. I agree that it was educational.
SKOGLUND65 Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Please explore the rest of my channel - you might find other things of interest there. Regards - Alan
👏🏻Great doc/bio!⚡️Florence Nightingale was a Trailblazer!💪🏻She was a strong women, against all odds.🔮I can only imagine the deplorable conditions of the field hospitals.🤦🏻♀️Flo was a⚔️Soldier🛡to the dying.⛑+She's deserved her accolades and🇮🇹places🇬🇧in📜history.👍🏻Thanks for the excellent historical facts. (;
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Looks like your finger got stuck in the emoji processor 😂
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Appears your head's stuck in😵💫stupidity. Have'ya nothing to say about👆🏻this great UA-cam vid?
Sometimes people reply best when they don't reply at all.😂
@@rinalore I guess you’re right… it was a good video and my comment was pretty stupid - hope I didn’t put a dent in your day
the end product here was the common soldier , at least she cared
Rachel Simson definitely not she used them to advance her selfish interests
What a wonderful lady ❤️ 😊
I was surprised to realize that Florence Nightingale was quite similar to Maragret Thatcher. I had known that Ms. Nightingale was born to a very rich family before I came to this clip. I had not known that she was so headstrong.
Wow worth a watch
Thanks to a good history teacher I was always more impressed by Mary seacole.
This is an unbelievable criticism. She was sent with a small band of nurses to a wreck of a makeshift “hospital” with just some genteel nursing skills? Then she is criticized for not being able to do what trained male medical doctors couldn’t do? Because she didn’t discern building structure, and the infrastructure ventilation and sanitation. What in the world could she do about it? She drilled down on what she could control. She probably needed to do that just to cope. Of course the patients needed to be kept clean. She needed her nurses to behave beyond reproach because the medical establishment barely tolerated women being in nursing. They were ready to accuse them of being hookers! She was anti-establishment because the bureaucratic system she was dealing with there was starving the soldiers of food and medicine. When she came home I’ll herself, and had time to recover and learned the results of a whole trained building committee (of men) commissioned by the Queen, she immediately did everything in her power to campaign for the public health principles. If she had been a man she would have been praised for being a demanding and controlling administrator and political influencer. Good Grief. How very, very sexist this piece is.
A woman with her eyes on the greater goal and willing to set her own stage be it at some cost to others. Probably sickened by the helplessness of contemporary women who were at a huge educational disadvantage, she probably simply had no peers amongst woman at the time and assumed the male perspective. She, as all humans do made mistakes, but acknowlegded them and admitted wrongs, learned from them and pushed forward again.
This film makes her very much more real and strongminded, but also more human.
The guilt she must have felt would be crippling to the point of being unrecoverable to all but a few. But instead of giving up she became better at making a difference. Remarkable woman she would be in these times, she was stellar in hers.
Why is there such a fuss over this documentary?
Yes, good comment. It doesn't seem as though most of the people commenting really understand that there are multiple opinions coming from several different scholars, and that the final evaluation isn't a simple set of undisputed facts.
The book about her by Cecil Woodham-Smith gives a much clearer account of all the obstacles she faced - amazing woman
I am reminded of the recent ad which shows a man with the word "Boss" as he's clearly speaking to others in a management meeting. The same situation, showing a woman with high heels and the word "Bossy" rounds out the contempt we have in female leaders that do not know their place. Thank you for Nightengale's documentary which displays the true force behind the name. As an American Nurse (RNP) I am frequently dismayed by the lack of education of staff hospital (frequently foreign) nurses. Is this what the people who run hospitals really want, those that do and don't think?
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed the film. Here in the UK we have similar situations in our NHS to the sort you describe in the US. There are a great many foreign nurses who do a fabulous job, but I'm told that many also struggle with the language and find it difficult to integrate. I think the great lesson from Nightingale's story is that "the system" can and should be challenged. Sure, she was not quite the ministering angel of myth, but she was determined and inspirational, and perhaps ultimately that's what really mattered.
Under the circumstances I'm amazed that she lived long enough to make a difference. I don't really find that the observation that she wasn't a warm soft cuddly vision in white a criticism. Try the argument by reversing gender. As you say she organized and managed and above all else learned from her mistakes. Frankly most administrators in health care could take a dose of N. H.
I guess it doesn't start out that way, but having an overview on the slobbyness
day in day out....you start thinking in systems in stead of people and their capabilities.
Wow thanks now i know everthing!
This VDO is very helpful to do my essay. Thanks Dr.Alan Brown.
You're welcome, Sammy. Good luck with the paper (and let us know the outcome!) Regards - Alan
Mrs Margaret...... the prime minister.. tough as steel. We need more women such as.... Nerves of steel
Strange. Florence went on a long trip up the Nile when she was a young woman and wrote a book about it. On her way home, she travelled through Germany and this was where she saw advanced practices in hospitals which inspired and informed her. This was glossed over here.
You might also be interested in a new paper I recently published, available direct from Amazon. Simply search *'How socialist was National Socialism'* in the Amazon search box.
I just watched the wonderful 1985 movie about Nightingale on BYU channel starring Jaclyn Smith. NONE of the accusations given here were in any way alluded to in that 1985 documentary. Why besmirch this wonderful woman after all these years? The nursing profession is richer today because of her work. Let her truly rest in peace! (my opinion)
kraftpr That's a fair opinion indeed, but the 1985 film was 'fact-based fiction', and FN's real history is more complex and not quite so smooth as the movie would have it.
kraftpr you watched a movie ,says it all. It is quite well known in the UK about how strict FN was & how the nurses feared her
Florence Nightingale is an inspiration to me. Susan B.Anthony is Anthony is another inspiration to me
In 1844, Nightingale enrolled as a nursing student at the Lutheran Hospital of Pastor Fliedner in Kaiserswerth, Germany. That's where she was inspired.
I read it at school haha so funny it was really good I love it so much
Luckily this time is - more or less - over, even if not everywhere in the world:-( Thanks for posting.
I say a good woman, a strong woman she was a Angel done her best for those times those times was run by man so i say what ever a woman did would have been looked down no good so on.
This documentary demonstrated all aspects of Florence Nighingale. It was educational
Thanks, Sylvia. That's the key reason why my students use it to good effect; it has both positives and negatives. Thanks for your comment. Regards - Alan.
1. Video at 33:53 says premises built on cesspit sewer contaminated water drunk spread infectious disease dysentry from water source explains high death rates.
2. Deliberately undermined, sabotaged her as work as a woman to frustrate her thinking she will quit.
3. That is why they did not send supplies she requested to improve care hoping high rates of death will embarrass her.
4. Her tenacity and staying power was shocking to a system women obeyed and did as they were told.
5. Actions speak louder than words shows sick soldiers loved her back.
6. She spend endless hours sacrifice her sleep at night caring, wrote letters to families of death soldiers.
7. She did her best under harsh conditions despite her status but it took a toll on her health.
Good summary.
God blessed her ❤
hi, Mr. Alan. Thank you very much for this amazing video. I took this as one of my reference for my paper. Many controversies among FN but i appriciate her as the amazing woman during her time. she inspires many people around the world and i thank her for that.
regards_Frani.
+Ayu Frani I'm glad the film has been useful, Frani. That is why I set up this channel - to help people with their studies. Regards - Alan
Great name for a nurse.
To the people who think this documentary wasn't a good one. Watch others, read different history books on her. If they all say the same thing, well, there you go.
The doctor who was in charge of the hospital in Crimea was the reason so many died- it’s in her journal- to blame her is ridiculous- she wasn’t allowed to clean, or sanitize anything.
that good lady saved thousands of civilian and soldiers lives--she changed nurse care---
wow her ... and I could never be as brave as she was ... I hate war.
A very unique person; similar to Mother Theresa.
We have no experience of really great individuals in our own time so we find it difficult to understand a colossus like Nightingale.
All nurse in the world have to know this part of Florence Nightingale life and character . In 2020 nursing has not change that most intead ,because of the poor treatment given to nurses in some hospital ,they are forced to quick their profession .
Nurses have to cease their moments ,learn from F.N leadership and create a carrier they love in this age where they are lot of opportunities expecially in the health industry.
Comment as much as you like.She'll always be the Lady with the Lamp.
+Chris Glyn-Jones True, perhaps not a good nurse but her title as Lady of the Lamp still remains...
very interesting indeed. thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it! Poor Florrie gets a little "roughed up" by this film, but it helps my students to get a grip on the realities of the woman and the legend. Thanks again - regards, Alan.
i think miss n comes out looking a good deal better than the title suggests. she may not have been the easiest person in the world to get on with - she may not even have been a good nurse - but i think the comparison between her and margaret thatcher was not only rather rash but distinctly unfair: for all her faults there seems to be no denying her inherent humanity and good intentions.
People she did not invent nursing. She simply took what she knew and organized it. She gave doctors better ways to recover their solders.
Congratulations for this wonderful documentary, despite the ruthless side of Nightingale she is a great influence for me.
Thanks Dr.Brown for this wonderful piece of history. From your brazilian fã.
I like this
When the legend becomes the truth. Print the legend.
The man who shot liberty valence.
ohhh medicine through time I remember that blue book o.O
It Was seen as Tabhoo in Victorian England to see a woman pursue a career in Nursing and hospital cleanliness.
So Florence Nightingale wanted to prove her sister and family wrong, by helping look after wounded soldiers during the war.) Florence put others first before herself and made a very safe and highgienic hospital, even performed basic procedures like wounds and bandages and first aid.)
Anneka Elliot “tabhoo” eh? Can’t say _I’ve_ ever seen that word. It does somewhat irk me that people have access to the internet but can’t even be bothered to use it for, lets say a quick spell check? Maybe using the internet is *taboo* where you come from. 🥴🤪🤦♀️
The documentary is very good but there’s a great deal of speculation presented as fact. Easy to be wise after the event.
cool video
i think mary seacole was the true hero based on the fact that she provided her services and compassion out of her own expense i truly have no regards for ms nightingale based on the fact that she didn't give ms seacole the respect she truly deserved and even tried to tarnish her reputation at the same time if there is one thing i have learn t is that a clean hands and a pure heart will always be favored even tho they tried to shut mary seacole out of the history book because of the color of her skin her story still rose to prominents and in my eyes she was the real mvp
Mary Seacole, being a proud Scottish Jamaican unfortunately wasn't born with the same opportunities Florence Nightingale was given through her parents heritage. She had to push a lot harder to help on the battle field; turned down by Nightingales team when she arrived to London more than 3 or 4 times. Regardless of all the rejection she face due to her skin colour she persisted through without the help of an Army or a team. That's a true hero.
In addition, Florence was much more influential in the development of modern nursing.
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`i did not know anything about how she looked after the sick wow Alan great video buddy..
IN THAT RECORDING SHE SAYS "I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO LISTEN TO MY VOICE / OR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY " .SOUNDS VERY HUMBLE , HOWEVER, I BELIEVE SHE WAS AWARE OF HER OVERALL CONTRIBUTIONS.
ANR. NURSE FROM AMERICA OFFERED HER HELP TO F.N. WHO SAID "NO THANKS " ... AFTERWARDS STATING SHE WOULD NOT HAVE A ' COLOURED' WOMAN IN HER HOSPITAL. I CANT RECALL HER NAME ... NOT DETERRED WENT & SET UP HER OWN ESTABLISHMENT. THE DEATH RATE FROM INFECTIONS WAS HALF THAT OF F.N'S & THE FOOD OF A FAR BETTER QUALITY. IF GIVEN THE CHOICE SOLDERS OPTED TO GO TO THE 'COLOURED ' ESTABLISHMENT. PERHAPS F.N. WAS A PRODUCT OF HER TIME ... A RACIST. NEVERMIND SHE'D LEARNT HER SKILLS DURING THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR. CR.
The irish nun mentioned corresponded 40 years with Nightingale. Hard to see any hatred between them and no mention of Nightingale statistic and mathematical geniie. Her new thinking and overall improvements on nursery! This documentary is very biased!
And what are we doing to alleviate any harsh situations like that? We have come to the place where we are neglecting our own soldiers and especially the vets. At least she did something and was anything but a "talking head". Compassion and care are not evident in many hospitals here in the wake of cost cutting, outrageous administration salaries and doctors who still don't wash their hands hundreds of years after Semmelwiese. I was in a hospital cardiology room overnight for some tests and had a nurse(who was working a 12 hour shift due to staff reduction) hang a bag of IV solution without checking my armband because the computer scanning device she carried wasn't working. I was lucky that I knew what the solution was after years of healthcare work, but she did not get by without me asking her about it and letting her know that I knew what it was that she did. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but our age is anything but innocent. The studies that have been done have shown that a 12 hour shift for nursing of any kind reduces safety.
By reference, I think Kelly means how would she cite this for a paper.
I like your video 😉
So sad, she could have been happy with that fellow that proposed to her. She was afraid. Then she went to hell. Then she tried to take controle ,then she fell even more from grace.
Fun fact: I am related to Florence Nightingale 😊
Do tell us more, Phoebe!
Her cousin, Lydia, was married to my fourth great uncle. Making Florence my 4th great aunties cousin
@@phoebs1316 That's impressive lineage, Phoebe! Thank you!
Interesting story. Helps draw a more complete picture of FN.
And, the story is really about another tribal European war where 900,000 men seeking more power slaughtered each other, and later produced a documentary about a woman who, while trying to minimize the losses, wasn't omniscient, had an imperfectly formed ego, didn't do her job perfectly, and wasn't nice. Get a grip on yourselves guys, instead of on everyone else.
If we did not have female role models in history, we have hundreds of girls stuck at home, with nothing to look up to or achieve.
No she wasn't perfect but I personally think she was incredible and greatly admire her
It was Elizabeth fry who got the nurses together to set up a hosital in the crimea. Florence was just a tag along.
Fry used her own money to transport the nurses over after the govt said no to her request. she set about cleaning up the hospitals. She trained Florence as her deputy.
But fry was known as a trouble maker as she was the person that started hospital reform, prison reform, votes for women and human rights. So her deeds in crimea was taken over by florence in history books as fry was an embarecement to the govt.
I found that out by looking up who Elizabeth fry was as i was born in the Elizabeth fry training home in york and i had never heard of her.
Pl say the movie name, which u used few clips in this document
Just viewed a shorter doc on her and this is vastly different. If I go down the rabbit hole one day in her I really hope it doesn't turn out the way of how mother Teresa really was.
Florence was not perfect in all knowledge but it's to her credit that she excepted the importance of proper sanitation practices in the end.
5:18 -- "When they go to bed at night, women feel...." No. Florence feels. THis is the trouble with early feminists. The real movers and shakers thought that all women were like them, only held down and repressed. But in fact, most women were not like them.
Cool!
I used to be an extra,too!
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In other words, like many other females, she essentially a shallow narcissist, pursuing flights-of-fancy? Good to see a non pc version of her story.
I would like to know where the "more than twice as likely to die" at F.N.'s Scutari derives from? I am an RN and this is the first time I am hearing of this. Where are the references? Perhaps it is because Scutari was much larger than the field sites?
The discussion of FN's errors at Scutari is fairly well distributed across the web, but most of the allegations you mention are levied by Hugh Small. Because of the particular problems with the hospital's location, the claim that a man was "twice as likely to die" is not without merit. In other hospitals, the death rate was much lower, and when the Sanitary Commission cleaned out Scutari the death rate fell to within parity of other clinics. Small's work has been criticised, yes, but you might find this collection of reviews to be interesting: www.florence-nightingale-avenging-angel.co.uk/reviews.htm Regards - Alan.