New Shop Machine: 28" Monarch Lathe
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- I was finally able to get my new lathe moved into my home machine shop: a 28" Monarch Metal Lathe! You just got to love big lathes... In this video we will introduce you to the new machine and go over some of the issues that we will have to deal with to get it up and going.
if your close to maryland, i have the right tail stock for that lathe. you can have it if you come and get it.
hope you see this keith, Georgia to Maryland, dunno!
How much does that tail stock weigh?
im sure one of those uship guys can do it, its a 10 hour drive, but even if its 400lbs its only a small van with room for some other stuff, so would be well worth it compared to making one fit.
My thought was, on the off chance that I got a few truck moves going in the right directions, that I'd put it in the back of my little S10 and drop it somewhere close on the way through so he could fetch it when he has time. But, there are limitations to consider, with all the gear I haul with me, it wouldn't take much to max it out.
I should be out trying to find a transmission for it, and here I am watching video's ... can you tell that I'm not looking forward to that job?
Maybe if you had to pick up a package in Florida from a guy named Pablo you could swing by.
Trabon is now owned by graco it's probably your lube system the timers kind of support this theory they probably control on off
time or stroke length
Yes, it is a lubricator.
if you plug it in before starting the restoration, please do a before and after video of it running. it would be very cool to see! that thing looks so amazing.
a thing that size might dim the lights in half the state! lol
Trabon is a lubrication system for the moveable surfaces.Thats why there is lines going to your saddle and all those small steel lines to get oil to the ways,and a timer so you can set the intervals when it pumps lube.Trabon is still in business and we use their lubricators on all our manufacturing machines at FCA.
my advice to you is invest in a good padlock so nobody walks off with it.
Yeah, you don't want nobody nicking your padlock ;)
What the heck are you going to make with it? Gun barrels for a battleship?
Train parts for the museum for starters....
A tad bit of Monarch " Air Tracer " info: manuals.chudov.com/Monarch/monarch_series_k_8pg_brochure.pdf
www.industrialmanuals.com/monarch-tracer-lathe-operation-parts-gage-tracer-operations-manual-p-1460.php
This has a few pics of the air tracer: www.ebay.com/itm/MONARCH-HEAVY-DUTY-LATHE-/200945655582?hash=item2ec94b5f1e:g:qLwAAOxycmBS0FJ1
Here's an 18 page manual on it, but not sure if it's for your model lathe or not ?
www.ebay.com/itm/Monarch-Operators-Manual-Air-Gage-Tracer-Inv-20380-/290284785020?hash=item4396524d7c:m:me_47I-H7Vo8zivEg0eFPLQ
Thanks - I actually have a copy of the manual for it. And here is a copy of it on my web site: vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=15230
auburnfolsom h
yes, brother kieth, the heavy metal deficiency is a tough condition to fight, -- and better to surrender to it. \grin\
and on a serious note -- i have a factory rased to 24" leblond regal, autoshift, 5' length, with alot of tooling and several chucks and the plate. yes, it needs some restoration, but it is free to you.
if you think you could use it, we can work out a plan to transport it to your new shop.
-toly
Keith, Traybon is a lubrication system. The air line was sometimes used to pressurize the oil instead of using a pump. The "clock" was to set lubrication intervals. We used the same system on our large stamping presses.
Hi Keith !
Wav, what a lathe ... on the other hand what else should you have in such a big shop - it's really a nice place you are building up there ... and how I wish I lived nearby you to see it going on - I would love it !
CONGRATS !
this is super great,,,
oh man
i envy the space you have,,,
next week on vintage machinery: keith buys a milling machine
Waiting for the big Mazak to show up next!
I think he owns the K&T at the museum. Not positive.
Yes...The K&T is his...actually he has the horizontal mill in his home shop if memory serves, not at the museum...could be wrong...Keith knows best. :)
IIRC he owns both mills at the museum.
What museum? Id love to check it out! Thanks!
"My name is Keith, and I'm an arn a holic...."
You are KILLIN' ME Bubba!!
Congrats on the purchase.
Regards,
Duck
I ran a 28X97" Monarch tracer lathe for 23 years.We sold it last summer,Cnc is a lot better.I made a lot of nice parts on that lathe though.We bought it from the Air Force.
Any pictures of the tracing attachment? I may need to pick your brain....
+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org I will check my computer when I go into work tomorrow.I can see that you are missing a lot of parts though.there is a rail that runs the length of the ways for the hydraulic unit to ride on that moves the tracer in and out,it also holds the template too.the arm that holds the stylus is missing too.I will help anyway I can.
Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org in
Congrats Keith on what you will find as very nice Monarch lathe. I'm a proud owner of a 1942 Monarch CK 12 lathe that is powered by a 5 hp 220VAC single phase and I can easily take .125 a side ( .250 total ) . I have taken a .250 depth of cut ( .500 total ) just to prove it could be done. Monarch still supports these fine lathes and parts are available. That's a great offer from Jason Myers on the tailstock. Hope it works out. Jeff / Jeff in PA on OWWM.org
You can turn car wheels and axles for the museums cars on that lathe. The Huckleberry RR shop has a LeBlond 44 in X 15 ft lathe they got from government surplus(US Army) and had never been run. It was used to turn car axles from standard gauge car axles. Car wheels were turned on a 36 in vert. turret lathe.
I hope to be able to do some car wheels....
Keith, that nice way to start the week with you, seeing a piece of history with this lathe beautiful 28 "! And all that at some point acquired, the beautiful task to bring it to its former glory begins. Congratulations, Keith, and as is always very pleasant and expose what accounts. Greetings and success!
That Monarch is HUGE!! Love it. 28" swing. wow.
Your shop machinery inventory now is beyond impressive.
Most interesting description... mega useful to have a manual too. Hope the tail stock build will do the job -sure you can do it. You have plenty to deal with!
what a beautiful machine. and adapting the tailstock/s, it should be relatively easy.
just a bigger version of Aboms adaptation of the steady rest.
Great buy and looking forward to future restoration vids.
Hello Keith,
This is what you call a real machine and a nice addition to the other machines, but I guess that the shop gets to small when you add more of those lathe's haha. But this type of lathe seems me ideal for bigger projects and the other is great for little things.
Now I am looking forward to the time you go to restore this lathe and hopefully a new series of video's after the restoring of the other lathe. But now I am first curious about the first startup of this lathe and if he works and how it sounds.
Besides, now I can understand why the electric motor in my Honda is so powerfull because it is also a 20 HP electric motor just like this lathe did have. This is a massive machine and I can understand that it needs a powerfull motor.
Thanx for the presentation of the new tool and many greetings from Roel !
Fortunately for us fans of his channel, Keith has the resources to rescue machines like this and has chosen to expend his personal efforts in the full view of the UA-cam world. There's no economic justification for this ancient workhorse but I'm glad it can live out its remaining days playing in Keith's pasture. And we get free education from a good-humored teacher.
This machine will be just the ticket for my home shop!
......a lot of work, but my what a beast!......possibly mold and cast a tail-stock?.....
i think the traybon is the lube system
yep with a timer and the oil tank on the top
+Noway Jerk yup, was just going to say that, we have trabon lube systems on our screw machines. a bit more modern tho.
just about to say the same thing. timer controlled and air powered.
Yes - that is what it is. I figured it out after I shot the video.
Fantastic purchase Keith. You are definitely playing with the big boys now. You have a TON of material for years of videos.
Congrats again... Fred
Now all you need is this little guy to round out the collection. www.machinio.com/listings/12804307-44-x-252-cc-monarch-1964-60hp-anilam-dro-steadys-36-4-jaw-under-power-in-bedford-oh
Now that's a lathe!
I remember Pratt & Whitney's main plant in East Hartford CT in the Mid 60's. It was full of machines like that. The last time i was in that plant in the 90's they were all gone. So were the hundreds of men who used to run the machines. Sad.
I am really surprised that lathe is only d1-6 size I would have figured it to be a d1-8 on a machine that size. It may or may not help but there was a very similar machine on ebay near you complete with tracer. Maybe they can tell you were it went or it may even still be around, worth checking into. www.ebay.com/itm/261835035295?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT I have lathe envy though, that is really a nice size machine! How many HP is it? I would think it to be 20+.Oops should have watched it all before commenting, heard you say it was repowered down to a 10hp.
I would have thought it would be D1-8 also. Kind of glad it is not though!
You may not need any iron in your diet, but a tetanus booster might be a good idea :)
Brian Block could probably comment better, but based on my limited knowledge and what American Rotary suggests, you will need at least a 20 HP phase converter to safely run that lathe (40 if it still had the 20 HP motor in it.) I'd be jealous if it weren't for the fact of how much work that will take to get running and how heavy everything looks. My back was killing me watching you lift the LeBlond tailstock... Nice machine though.
That's a point. When I made my RPC, (only 5hp), I had read that you need to use a motor that's rated at least 50% higher then what you're powering.
So either rule you use Keith's converter could be under powered for this job.
Got a tetanus booster today, but for other reasons.....
Of all the Obsessive Compulsive Disorders out there (mine is vintage motorcycles), restoring an old American lathe is one of the most productive. And if you have an imagination, just think of the stories that old girl knows.
I used to call on a P&W plant in Berwick, Maine. Recall flying into Boston to do so.
Wow! Six tons of lathe. Now that is a 'Big Bad Boy' but with 50% of his "oomph" removed. Still very powerful.
Check Jason Myers comment - he has a tail stock for you. Good fun watching the shenanigans at the "Bash".
Thanks, trying to get a hold of Jason....
That is an amazing piece of equipment, congratulations.
I hope for the sake of irony you will drill out some carburetor jets, modify valve needles, or find some other tiny project for this lathe.
He'd be in a good chance of winning the 'stacked chucks' competition !
Love that lathe Keith. Build a tailstock? I know that the job will aways fall short if you cannot find the capstan. In a production setting the capstan tailstock is hard to beat. As for the tracer possibly opt for hydraulic settup conversion which is easier to obtain. Such as the one keith Fenner has. The small crane would have been for chucks. On some of these lathes the capstan had a parking crane, for the quick tool change. the were three heads mounted on arms moving on a piller.
Hey Keith!
Fantastic machine. Good luck with your restoration. Let me know if you would like an American flag sticker. Bob G @ Bob's Flags and Banners. Good to see you again at the Bash!
Trabon makes auto lube and greasing units for construction equipment I have worked on. I'm wondering if it is a timed lube system. Nice buy. Ed K. Cleve. Oh.
My wife would have shot me dead...I can't get a 6" Jointer for my shop...My wife gave me grief for weeks over the CHEAP Harbor Freight drill press (that I've used hundreds of times)...and here you are getting a massive lathe. Way to go!!!!
she could have buried you in that huge chip pan too! lol
I must be lucky or very wise because my wife is an engineer so no problems with getting anything I need for the shop. The 2 downsides are I have to share and lack of space..
Mine's an engineer too...she just doesn't see the "need" for these tools...I bought a small pancake compressor kit (came with stapler, brad nailer, finish nailer)...she freaked. I bought it for doing a ton of trim work...saved me tons of work, and over $100 in rental fees...Trust me...it's not that we can't afford it...she just doesn't see the need for it. :(
Our common attitude is "do we want it" yes "can we afford it" yes "do we need it" probably not but it will come in handy sometime. So 2 out of 3 wins. :-)
I feel your pain must be a wife thing..
You took the words right out of my mouth Keith. What a monster! The lathe I ran in high school was a Monarch. Maybe my shop teacher knew something.A childhood friend was offered a job by his uncle at Pratt and Whitney. Some guys have all the luck. He lives in Hartford. Don't blame you bit. It's a shame that such wonderful machines are scrapped. Glad you saved some of them.
What is not to like about a big old dirty lath well 5 people don't like the idea of restoring this beast.
Git-R-Done Keith.
Have fun! Good for you for keeping this lathe from a perhaps a sad fate. I wonder how many of the lathes of this size and capacity being built today will be as useful in fifty plus years as I think this machine will be after you get it restored?
Next week on vintage machinery, keith buys a shipbuilding lathe
Nope, I live too far from the coast to build a ship.
@@VintageMachinery Otherwise.....
Looks like a great addition to your shop. Looking forward to seeing it in operation.
Wow! I hope you find the tail stock and looking forward to see you turn out some big projects. Good idea to put larger feet to spread out the weight like you said. How thick is the floor Keith? Come out smelling like a rose again, Greg.
I have recently found a Monarch Lathe. I believe it is a 21 inch machine. Everything is there except the chuck. The machine was dropped during a move.
I am not sure what I haven't decided what to do with it. Either restore or part it out.
One of the things that brought you to mind is you need a tail stock. Have you started building one yet? You might need the hole machine for parts. It has a good tail stock and apron. I will get picks and measurements this week.
We all share your sickness my friend!!!! Seriously addicted to South Bend and LeBlond lathes... Oh YAH, and Shapers....
Keith, do you say to people, that's not a lathe, "This is a Lathe".
Nope.. No monarch tail stocks on EBay!
really nice and big lathe Keith im getting my first lath soon through my moms friend it is just a small craftsmen and needs a motor idk much about it just yet but im so stoked watching people like yourself tom Adam and Keith fenner have made me want to get into machine work for years just as a hobby anyways thanks for the entertainment over the years ~ josh
Hey Keith. I'm not sure if you follow him, but AvE on UA-cam is some sort of engineer out of Canada and seems to be very knowledgeable about lathe automation and all intetsting types of machining and electrical engineering. His language and innuendo is a little "colorful" to say the least, but he is the one I would contact about automation and he is a great follow. (my 2 cents)
GEEEEEEZZZZE Keith.That jib crane will come in handy for drying your clothes you washed in your pond when you're living in that shop 'cause wifey saw that lathe I;m.LMAO! I've got a nice small block Ford you can use to power that thing.Just kidding-good for you buddy.
Keith,
I'm a ZERO, when it comes to machine shop stuff. However, some of your fellow UA-cam content producers many be able to help with making that big Monarch "dance" again.
Adam Booth's K&T parking attachment build suggests you talk with him, about the tailstock situation.
Brad Jacobs is a whiz, when it comes to cleaning and repainting fine old equipment.
Keith Fenner's Clausing lathe has a hydraulic tracing attachment. Maybe something along those lines could work for you too.
You mentioned single axis CNC. Given his fine work at machine construction, talk to Stefan Gotteswinter regarding the concept. It's about time he got to working with imperial measurement, anyway. ;>) Yes, metric is more consistent than imperial, but both are fundamentally arbitrary.
James Kilroy works with both machinery and electronics. Perhaps he can impart some words of wisdom.
Good luck in getting all of the equipment in your new "Man Cave" squared away.
Eli D.
First a brand-new, HUGE machine shop. Then a LeBlond lathe. Then a Monarch lathe.
So, did the wife get a new mink coat and a Jaguar? Or have divorce proceedings already begun?
My goodness Keith. That is a fantastic addition. Wow, just wow.
www.graco.com/content/dam/graco/led/literature/flyers/l42715/L42715EN-B.pdf
Trabon Lube system. That has to be a good thing. The link is for a more modern version of what you have.
I agree .. Trabon auto lubrication system..
Yes, that is what it is. Figured it out after I shot the video....
Ordinarily yeah, I'd agree you have a "sickness", but after all, you built a humongous and lovely shop for it. So what the heck. You only live once, and I know you'll bring'er up to snuff....
You're the Man!!!! Check factorydragon87 channel. He's a Latvian guy with a massive collection of huge Russian machines he restores and uses. All in English as well.
Pratt & Whitney's main plant is in East Hartford, other side of the Connecticut River from West Hartford. I wonder if my dad used that, it would've been the right time. He started at Pratt & Whitney September of 1941.
That beauty is going to be a lot of fun! Will be very interested to see how the tracer attachment worked, and how you eventually put it to use.
That's going to be great to have in the shop! Good to see that you have a big tailstock to base your replacement from. It'll take some work, but I think most of the hard part is already done.
Wow Keith that lathe is really something special.
I am going to follow this restoration job till the end!!
Sorry to be obvious but give Monarch a call about the tailstock. I have a WWII 10EE that was missing the headstock guards and they hooked me up with used parts. They have been so helpful when I have called for info or parts.
The Pratt & Whitney engines factory was located in East Hartford, Connecticut. I think that the place now makes turbofan aircraft engines.
The only lathe Monarch makes anymore is the 10EE. They do sell some very nice European-made lathes, though.
Just found this video. Great lathe but I can't recall ever seeing it again. An added treat is seeing the shop uncompleted. Back when there was a floor (LOL). I now have a better idea how the shop was framed, except for the upper roof and windows. Just wish that I was able to copy it.
You're the definition of "optimistic".
Ah, it is not that bad....
What a Monster. You have a Jib Crane for the Headstock, you'll need one for the steel that's going in there. Enjoy.
I'm not sure if you've seen this
www.umanuals.com/monarch-type-b-air-gage-tracer-instruction-manual.html
Thanks - I just made that investment...
That is quite a sickness. That is a huge machine. You have to clean that thing up if your want to put it in that nice clean shop of yours. That will be hobby time. That looks like a very nice building for your new shop. Will you be able to make a tail-Stock? The fronts side way appears to be rusted. Have fun Keith
we need a restoration of this:D
One "small" Lathe you have there Kieth.
I think it is safe to say that I will call this one the "big lathe" and the LeBlond the "Small Lathe".
The Monarch is fantastic Keith. I hope you manage to get it up to a good working order.
Suggest that you give nicknames to your new machines. Could be fun ansd inspiring --
Hi mate. She's a big bastard all right. I think I heard some slight discontent from the direction of Florida, I think that someone might be a little unhappy at this time, and it's not so much loosing so very comprehensively in the four jaw contest.
Global Machines has Monarch lathe like yours listed on E-Bay. Several pictures are posted.
Admitting you have a problem isn't always a first step to a solution.
You better start thinking about expanding the building.
Probably in the comments already, but Trabon is the way lube system. Maybe delivering the lube by mist, hence the air.
ABOM size, nice video. Keep em comming, Greg Toney Al
I have a 16 inch monarch hydro shift looks very similar in design to this one. It is the best machine i have ever ran. Im not sure if you know but this machine has a rapid travel in both direction by moving the feed handles forward and backwards. It also has auto oilers in the carriage that keep the ways, thread screws and all other moving components well oiled and usually in very good shape even on well used machines. The tail stock on my lathe is massive it sets full of oil and has a hand operated oil pump that pressure feeds oil the the live center bearings. It seems unusual that this machine has only a 10 hp motor as mine has a 15. it will handle a 200 cut at .015 feed easy. The one I the one i have is a 1956 model. Cool machine.
A quick alternative to making feet might be something like these uk.rs-online.com/web/p/plate-castors/6114464/
And read down the comments - I believe someone over Maryland way said they had the correct tailstock for it.
Try making contact with Monarch to see what kind of guidance you may be able to get from them; drawings, other purchasers of the same model machines. They may have some information on the Tracer attachment. I believe that Trabon is the manufacturer of automatic lubrication systems
Its funny to look at this video now. A giant disgusting dead zombie elephant of a lathe. A vast dark cavern of a shop with all its bones and skeleton showing. 22 months later? A shop that is active, has classes, the metal shop pretty much done and the wood shop getting there. The Zombie elephant, well huh, looks pretty good now, cant wait to see that thing true out its first garbage can or tractor rim.
Wow. Two more comments. 1. I bet you use that 3 jaw a lot. 2. You need a bigger fan than the one behind you. I love my barn fan.
bliemy Keith , theres one for sale here in the UK imackulate condition & its gunna be auctioned , starting bid is £300 !!!!! got everything with it and its spotless , shit if only i had room !!
Kieth you look so happy I'm genuinely so pleased for you - looking forward to seeing your restoration
Its said that the Lathe is "the only machine that can build itself"...I am not sure I'd let that monster breed.! Wow that thing is not even right...
Did you call Monarch Lathe? They rebuild the old lathes maybe they could find parts for it for you..
hi keith the pratt and whitney plant was in hartford ct. the stevens distribotor was approx 5 miles away.but my guess is
stevens shipped that machine direct to p and w in hartford.
no tailstock is a bummer keith. darn. but with the reach of your channel someone somewhere knows where one is just now to let you know. I probably would never find one worldwide in a thousand years.
Is there a long-term plan to have the entrance to shop paved? That forklift looked like it was at risk of bogging down with the load it was carrying.
Very nice machine Keith! Looking forward to seeing what ya do with it.
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I see 2 more chucks in the pan
Not sure what they fit.
Holy chips Batman, that's one big lathe for a home shop. It still needs to be raised up to suit your height, but that's what RSJs are for.
Send it to monarch be rebuilt and if feasible retrofit cnc controls. I think monarch can make you an original tail stock too. There still in business.
That is a lathe that is THE Lathe. haha
Holy crap Keith that Monarch is king sized, it will be able to keep up with Abomb sized jobs lol.
keith your just me! I love driving big fire trucks you love big lathes. what part makes it a 28" lathe?
It will swing a part 28" in diameter.
That lathe is even big enough to turn Abom79's head !
Did you spot the pun ?
Very nice machine, you are going to need a bigger shop with your addiction, LOL
Monarch, how did I know? I will search NY area CL you never know.
That Pratt & Whitney is probably the one located in Middletown, CT
Just a small machine! lol ;)