First, they say Operation Italy was unlikely to be successful because there are so many moving parts. Then , they also say, “just suggest split the vote” and that Andy is “extra” It worked because it wasn’t just a split the vote. The split the votes depended on the theatrics. I wasn’t a fan of Andy’s at first, but I am now. I find it sad that so many just find a way to dislike him. How is he disloyal when survivor in itself is a game of disloyalty?
Andy hatched the entire plan and did most of the work. If you can't give him full credit at least do not say he's just following Sam and Genevieve's lead. FYI Andy was the one who suggested Caroline after Rachel won immunity, contrary to what Tiffany said in this podcast.
As someone who understands the great state of Arizona..I see you Tyson repping those Diamondbacks!! Love hearing Tyson on a podcast. It is a gift every week...... because where can you go with a player that has played this many times and will give hot takes and not care about how people might feel. Give the folks what they want. Thank you! Whatever you all our paying Tyson..double it. Ashley..... you are doing great holding it down!
This move at least gives Andy a shot to win now imo, instead of being dragged to end as a potential "goat". Plus he may have earned his spot on S50 with this.
He flipped again which shows his strategy. He wants control behind the curtains and has Sam and Gen, 2 of the best players in his pocket. I wouldn't take either one to the end but he Rachels gone as soon as possible if he wants to win and drag Sue and Sam to the end with him
He's playing by taking risks to improve his chances of winning rather than playing passively like shepherded goats (Sue, Teeny) who had nothing to say when they brought to FTC.
16:35 This is just my guess, but I think Rachel-either consciously or subconsciously-recognized that she’d be alright even if one of the other people in her final 4 got voted out, and she’d be better off keeping her advantages for 6 and 5. The block a vote can’t be used passed 6, and it ensures that Rachel and her 2 remaining allies will have the numbers advantage. And then she has her idol at 5. Also, like you guys talked about last week, her good luck kicked in again with Caroline being the one to go. She was the only person in that final 4 who wanted to target Rachel. As we saw, Teeny was personally offended that Genevieve considered Rachel a threat to win, so they’re likely never going to target her because it would mean admitting her mortal enemy Genevieve was right. And last week we saw Sue say Rachel has her loyalty 100% after she told Sue about her block a vote advantage. And now Sue doesn’t have Caroline, which almost definitely makes Rachel her new number 1.
Sam was right to bring the 3 to the reward. It quite literally worked. Teeny would have been the worst. Teeny just wanted food. She wouldnt have followed or gone along with a plan with them. Nor would the forcing them to do a split even been a plan without andy being there. Sam andy and Genevieve played it 1000% correct. Anything dofferent like teeny going to reward would be so much worst for their games. Teeny is just a crybully who is the majority and acts like shes still at the bottom. Sam was there for her and her closest ally. He was the reason they tried so hard to save sol. And thats all wiped away because hes a man. And just to end it off, WHAT DID SAM DO WRONG THIS SEASON AND ESPECIALLY THIS EPISODE EXCEPT BE A MAN?
26:57 I disagree. Before he even picked I said take Genevieve, because if she’s back at camp then that leaves her with three other people who aren’t going to be talking about voting her out, since she’s right there.
Teeny is a hypocrite. They want people to accept them but then goes on a tirade about how much they hate men like Sam. Lost every bit of empathy for Teeny. Truly rooting for them to lose.
You gotta see it from their perspective, Teeny's probably got a ton of built up resentment against guys like Sam, they're the exact type of guy the girls they go for actually want to be with, jealousy always manifests in the ugliest ways 😂
I don't agree with the comment about Andy being one step behind because Sam and Geneveive said they were gonna vote for Caroline. That was Andys first time talking to Sam about who else they were gonna vote for so of course he isn't gonna be in the loop on who Sam and Geneveive want out at that point in time and Sam didn't pretend that was Andys plan. Sam said that he was also planning to vote out Caroline.
This podcast is worth it's weight in gold just for blessing us all with the information that Sue's scavenger scene took place right in the heart of the piss cave, couldn't have been a more appropriate place for her to be playing in after the shitty shit she's been saying about Kyle
I don't care what anyone says. Andy has been a great player this season. In the first ep he had a terrible performance. Ever since then he got closer to Sam so that Sam and Sierra keep him and he manages to stay on the right side of the votes. Then at the merge he flipped on Sam and Sierra and he played a good social game and made lots of connections and joined the 'underdog' alliance and now he has made the best new era move. I'll be surprised if this move doesn't make people in the game go 'this guy has a chance to win'. As of right now Andy deserves to win the game.
Even though that meltdown could be his gameplan along the way when he saw it's not working for him t, it's how he'll explain to the jury his Arc that wins, and rather than doing the Tada I tricked you all, use the - I was a Goat just like he said but now I'm here because of 1 2 3...
It could work, but maybe something like explaining his growth in the game after an actual meltdown. Perhaps he then used that as a shield. They almost always have a goat in the final three, and that became his label. He just finally decided to remove it now that it no longer benefits his game.
1) This is why I would have voted Genevieve off the last time 2) Why did the four split the vote and not pile on Sam? Makes no sense to me. 3) Why is no one spotting Andy's manipulative manners and spotting his flip-floping nature? I've been saying this since episode one!
No, if they felt Genevieve had an idol then they HAD to split the vote because if she used it they would still win 3-2. If she used it on Sam in the worst case scenario then they’d go to a re-vote and win. The strategy made sense mathematically. They should’ve used their steal a vote or an idol. They didn’t because they felt comfortable in their plan and everyone wanted to use their advantages and idols to guarantee top 5.
I think it really depends on the cast, with if it really is important to be friendly with people. It seems like Teeny isn't really caring about big moves but being friendly. Genevieve is seen as a big threat right now but now that I'm thinking about it more will that lack of connection make it so people don't want to vote for her. Is it possible to win if you do the whole, I didn't want to connect with people to make it easier to vote you out, but in real life I'm a very emotional person card?
what a great guest! i love tiffany. really good point about gen, when did we see kishonand her bond? she’s a corporate lawyer… when do they ever get emotional lol? robotic to me. shan, tiffany, and brad for 50
I think Raychel in her mind would’ve been dumb to use the block of vote on Andy, hindsight is one thing but in the moment they needed Andy to split the votes in her mind
Why the heck would u block Andy’s vote , u block Sam or gen who for sure voting not with u , then u also find out if someone flips while still having control
You need a co-host who will challenge your takes and not be afraid to offer a dissenting opinion. The Andy analysis was so one-sided, it felt like we were watching an echo chamber. Try to think of things from other perspectives than how the guest is insinuating it
@@BK-hk2ps ripping on andy for making a big deal about the operation is so lame. As if tiff could just walk up to the alliance and say let’s split the vote and it’s as easy as that😭
@@mystic7934 this! I see it in all of the podcasts, really. David Bloomberg’s is the worst. I only watch ‘Why Blank Lost’ if I’ve seen all the others and I have a long drive. lol
Can we please just discuss how much dirtier Sue is every single episode. Like this has to be an ongoing inside joke with the cast & production at this point.
Tiff is commentating like all the players in the underdog alliance should have seen everything she saw on tv and known exactly what the viewers knew, why she gotta discredit how good that move was
Andy recovers from a major mental health meltdown, is manipulative in the best way and came up with and executed one of the best, if not the best, plans to come back from a minority position.
@@mystic7934what are you talking about? What has he actually done to anyone after episode 1? Like i would happily be on an island with him he seems like a great dude
This is quickly becoming my favorite Survivor podcast. Great work!!!!!
First, they say Operation Italy was unlikely to be successful because there are so many moving parts. Then , they also say, “just suggest split the vote” and that Andy is “extra”
It worked because it wasn’t just a split the vote. The split the votes depended on the theatrics.
I wasn’t a fan of Andy’s at first, but I am now. I find it sad that so many just find a way to dislike him.
How is he disloyal when survivor in itself is a game of disloyalty?
@@donmarica I don't think it's about disliking him. He's just kinda weird.
Andy hatched the entire plan and did most of the work. If you can't give him full credit at least do not say he's just following Sam and Genevieve's lead.
FYI Andy was the one who suggested Caroline after Rachel won immunity, contrary to what Tiffany said in this podcast.
As someone who understands the great state of Arizona..I see you Tyson repping those Diamondbacks!!
Love hearing Tyson on a podcast. It is a gift every week...... because where can you go with a player that has played this many times and will give hot takes and not care about how people might feel. Give the folks what they want. Thank you!
Whatever you all our paying Tyson..double it. Ashley..... you are doing great holding it down!
LETS GIVE ANDY HIS PROPS PLEASE
He’s a Stealth Wizard
He has been great for TV. Without him it would have been a bunch of predictable voteouts in a row
Legendary survivor episode, one for the ages. Rooting for Genevieve. Tiffany on the podcast was great! Hopefully we see more of her.
This move at least gives Andy a shot to win now imo, instead of being dragged to end as a potential "goat". Plus he may have earned his spot on S50 with this.
He flipped again which shows his strategy. He wants control behind the curtains and has Sam and Gen, 2 of the best players in his pocket. I wouldn't take either one to the end but he Rachels gone as soon as possible if he wants to win and drag Sue and Sam to the end with him
Couldn’t agree more.!
He's playing by taking risks to improve his chances of winning rather than playing passively like shepherded goats (Sue, Teeny) who had nothing to say when they brought to FTC.
16:35 This is just my guess, but I think Rachel-either consciously or subconsciously-recognized that she’d be alright even if one of the other people in her final 4 got voted out, and she’d be better off keeping her advantages for 6 and 5. The block a vote can’t be used passed 6, and it ensures that Rachel and her 2 remaining allies will have the numbers advantage. And then she has her idol at 5.
Also, like you guys talked about last week, her good luck kicked in again with Caroline being the one to go. She was the only person in that final 4 who wanted to target Rachel. As we saw, Teeny was personally offended that Genevieve considered Rachel a threat to win, so they’re likely never going to target her because it would mean admitting her mortal enemy Genevieve was right. And last week we saw Sue say Rachel has her loyalty 100% after she told Sue about her block a vote advantage. And now Sue doesn’t have Caroline, which almost definitely makes Rachel her new number 1.
This move by Andy is top 3 in the history of survivor. It’s a pleasure to watch him play and overcome a lot of his insecurities.
Tyson teaching tiff about Colby on HvV is gold. He was there.
How are you guys hating on Andy after tonight
Sam was right to bring the 3 to the reward. It quite literally worked. Teeny would have been the worst. Teeny just wanted food. She wouldnt have followed or gone along with a plan with them. Nor would the forcing them to do a split even been a plan without andy being there. Sam andy and Genevieve played it 1000% correct. Anything dofferent like teeny going to reward would be so much worst for their games. Teeny is just a crybully who is the majority and acts like shes still at the bottom. Sam was there for her and her closest ally. He was the reason they tried so hard to save sol. And thats all wiped away because hes a man. And just to end it off, WHAT DID SAM DO WRONG THIS SEASON AND ESPECIALLY THIS EPISODE EXCEPT BE A MAN?
26:57 I disagree. Before he even picked I said take Genevieve, because if she’s back at camp then that leaves her with three other people who aren’t going to be talking about voting her out, since she’s right there.
Imagine finding a way to hate on Andy, even tonight.
I've been team Rachel the whole season and imma be mad if she's voted out right before the final!
What did Sam do wrong besides be a man ?
Teeny is a hypocrite. They want people to accept them but then goes on a tirade about how much they hate men like Sam. Lost every bit of empathy for Teeny. Truly rooting for them to lose.
Yes me too I hate those 3 ladies I didn’t like Caroline. I hate teeny more now
Teeny is the worst. What an absolutely terrible episode for them.
im gay and them talking abt sam like that was SO WEIRDDDD i literally hate them sm worst player in modern era
She's damaged mentally
You gotta see it from their perspective, Teeny's probably got a ton of built up resentment against guys like Sam, they're the exact type of guy the girls they go for actually want to be with, jealousy always manifests in the ugliest ways 😂
I don't agree with the comment about Andy being one step behind because Sam and Geneveive said they were gonna vote for Caroline. That was Andys first time talking to Sam about who else they were gonna vote for so of course he isn't gonna be in the loop on who Sam and Geneveive want out at that point in time and Sam didn't pretend that was Andys plan. Sam said that he was also planning to vote out Caroline.
Hell yeah I love a guest that talks it how it is
Great podcast! My first ever viewing. Some podcasts i find boring but this one was very entertaining and interesting.
This podcast is worth it's weight in gold just for blessing us all with the information that Sue's scavenger scene took place right in the heart of the piss cave, couldn't have been a more appropriate place for her to be playing in after the shitty shit she's been saying about Kyle
@@TheDXJC56 Sue is the weakest player honestly.
@@Freerider93 10000000000000% facts
Great Podcast, tonight! Congrats
Once Caroline started expressing joy at her game.... 🤦🏾
Andy or Rachel would make great winners, can’t wait until sue and teeny are off Tv
I don't care what anyone says. Andy has been a great player this season. In the first ep he had a terrible performance. Ever since then he got closer to Sam so that Sam and Sierra keep him and he manages to stay on the right side of the votes. Then at the merge he flipped on Sam and Sierra and he played a good social game and made lots of connections and joined the 'underdog' alliance and now he has made the best new era move. I'll be surprised if this move doesn't make people in the game go 'this guy has a chance to win'. As of right now Andy deserves to win the game.
My working theory is that Teeny got hangry this ep LOL
(Source: is a queer person who turns into a demon when hangry)
Love this Podcast!
1:40 I also picked up on that ! Luckily my intuition was right (Not like it helps my draft team, as the person voted off was on my team 😂)
It was like they were planning a heist! If Andy makes it to the end should he say he was faking his first episode meltdown?
While that would be funny, it would rub the jury the wrong way. I think they'll value authenticity and it'll play great to his growth as a player
@@thunderdrake13Good idea. He worked thru a trouble spot and went on to greatness! I really like Andy.
Even though that meltdown could be his gameplan along the way when he saw it's not working for him t, it's how he'll explain to the jury his Arc that wins, and rather than doing the Tada I tricked you all, use the - I was a Goat just like he said but now I'm here because of 1 2 3...
I don’t think Andy faked his meltdown. He recovered and was able to shine!
It could work, but maybe something like explaining his growth in the game after an actual meltdown. Perhaps he then used that as a shield. They almost always have a goat in the final three, and that became his label. He just finally decided to remove it now that it no longer benefits his game.
Andy best player of the season. Not even close. Best move of the new era by far.
1) This is why I would have voted Genevieve off the last time 2) Why did the four split the vote and not pile on Sam? Makes no sense to me. 3) Why is no one spotting Andy's manipulative manners and spotting his flip-floping nature? I've been saying this since episode one!
@@laluna5177 Because they don't perceive Andy as a threat.
I see why they voted Tiffany off
I don't know much about Operation Italy but I'd let Tyson pinch my Naples
Why didn't Sue play her idol for Caroline?
I do not remember anything from 41 but my god, she’s hysterical!
rewatch it. it’s great. she was robbed and so was shan and brad
28:49 Ooh, very Big Brother Canada 2 coded! (Seriously, go look up Ika shredding the letters!)
No, if they felt Genevieve had an idol then they HAD to split the vote because if she used it they would still win 3-2. If she used it on Sam in the worst case scenario then they’d go to a re-vote and win. The strategy made sense mathematically. They should’ve used their steal a vote or an idol. They didn’t because they felt comfortable in their plan and everyone wanted to use their advantages and idols to guarantee top 5.
Don’t down play Andy’s move. It was all his doing. He is the MVP
I think it really depends on the cast, with if it really is important to be friendly with people. It seems like Teeny isn't really caring about big moves but being friendly. Genevieve is seen as a big threat right now but now that I'm thinking about it more will that lack of connection make it so people don't want to vote for her. Is it possible to win if you do the whole, I didn't want to connect with people to make it easier to vote you out, but in real life I'm a very emotional person card?
russell hantz did moves like this
Like Andy’s? I see Tony making moves like Andy… (flipping back and forth and voting out allies)
what a great guest! i love tiffany. really good point about gen, when did we see kishonand her bond? she’s a corporate lawyer… when do they ever get emotional lol? robotic to me. shan, tiffany, and brad for 50
I love Ashleigh as the co-host/producer!
I think Raychel in her mind would’ve been dumb to use the block of vote on Andy, hindsight is one thing but in the moment they needed Andy to split the votes in her mind
Andy also formed that underdog alliance and now ditched it 😂
they didn’t need him. they could split two two and block andy’s vote
Why the heck would u block Andy’s vote , u block Sam or gen who for sure voting not with u , then u also find out if someone flips while still having control
You need a co-host who will challenge your takes and not be afraid to offer a dissenting opinion. The Andy analysis was so one-sided, it felt like we were watching an echo chamber. Try to think of things from other perspectives than how the guest is insinuating it
this isn’t dramatic sports talk. we don’t need both sides if only one is credible
@@BK-hk2ps ripping on andy for making a big deal about the operation is so lame. As if tiff could just walk up to the alliance and say let’s split the vote and it’s as easy as that😭
@@mystic7934 this! I see it in all of the podcasts, really. David Bloomberg’s is the worst. I only watch ‘Why Blank Lost’ if I’ve seen all the others and I have a long drive. lol
Andy hate??? Delusional, I’m more impressed by Andy game. These guys would be played by him too if in the game.
You notice Sue’s face is always extremely dirty every episode, wth
Argh I hate her face, she is the most annoying
With the scene where she pointed out the dirt on Caroline’s face 😅
caroline said it was soot from tending the fire
shes trying to fool people that the face underneath is 40 years old and not 60
@@whiskeyhoarder9587 I’m sure some know she’s lying they just don’t wana hurt her old woman feelings
Andy looks like johny Depp from secret window
Can we please just discuss how much dirtier Sue is every single episode. Like this has to be an ongoing inside joke with the cast & production at this point.
caroline said it was soot from tending the fire
Tiff is commentating like all the players in the underdog alliance should have seen everything she saw on tv and known exactly what the viewers knew, why she gotta discredit how good that move was
she prefaced it by saying she’s talking from her couch and not starving 😂
Terrible episode for teeny.
A lot of Andy lovers here i see, I think you have to imagine yourself on the island with him… and also not be a victim of the edit aka all of you
Btw Andy seems like an awesome dude no offense to him
he hasn’t done anything wrong since episode one. you just can’t get past that.
Andy recovers from a major mental health meltdown, is manipulative in the best way and came up with and executed one of the best, if not the best, plans to come back from a minority position.
@@mystic7934what are you talking about? What has he actually done to anyone after episode 1? Like i would happily be on an island with him he seems like a great dude