They aren't students; they're coming here to stay and work. Once they get their degree, they'll apply for PR and try and get the extended family here. Same with backpackers.
I wonder if the migrants know that their welcome has worn out/or they are not really wanted here anymore? Its disgusting that they get places, jobs and everything above everyone else and Australian babies and children have to sleep in tents and go without
Yup, same thing happens in New Zealand, you get a 'student' come here stays and works then once they get PR they bring the whole family and take the housing, now we have unsustainable immigration without the resources to cope, Kiwis living in tents and cars meanwhile foreigners in our homes
Yeah. Thats very bad. I was international student but i went to mongolia. I understand we can stay for few years, not whole life. We should go back and develop our countries.
For anyone that reads this comment. Look up the 1920s and 1930s German housing market. It's very parallel to what's happening in Australia today. Not only with the common person being unable to afford a decent home, but productivity plummeted, wages stagnated and so forth. We often hear that what happened in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s was due to a certain group of people. There's a reason why a certain party got elected, and it wasn't because they hated a certain group of people. I fear Australia may go the way of Argentina or Germany.
You are aware that literally every other country on the planet is yet to achieve a 100% housed and fed population. This is by no means an Australian or Labour government problem. It's a human problem spread right across the globe.
It's a combination of policy and interest rates encouraging speculation and population growth which is coming from large immigration numbers not domestic birth rates that creates demand. The only way to make housing more affordable is to bring down the price but would be surprised if any politician dares to do this.
@@fluffycat6489not that much as it would matter. The issue is that not enough is getting build. Builders can't get workers anymore. Locals don't do cosntruction and they made it harder for people to migrate to australia as an construction worker.
How tf does this Liz woman have Dr in front of her name? Of our own local making? Ummm people who arrive need somewhere to live. They put pressure on rental and purchase markets. Houses take time to build (a lot of time it would seem in Australia). Migrants can't be quickly licensed as electricians, plumbers etc so they generally can't do most of the work to build houses. Therefore is it hard to see why importing a lot of people in a short time is not a great idea??? Housing (in Perth at least which is the city I know) the prices went through the roof after the borders were opened, not when closed.
You mean, one lever makes housing affordable or unaffordable? If that was true, we could have fixed everything long ago. Then it means that the minute anyone has a kid, everything gets worse. The minute one more than some number gets in, things start to get worse. .....
Building more infrastructure and housing is a slow answer to the housing crisis. The government should put cap first in the migration number or distribute jobs in the regions to encourage migrants to relocate away from the major cities.
Migrants make up a huge share of construction workers. Morris cut migration from skilled construction worker by half. Due to the SAFE Levy for almost 7 years nobody is finding skilled workers anymore. To few are getting trained locally because only a few want to do it.
Dr Liz Allen has a point, whether immigrants are let in or not, we still have high rent and house prices, and focusing on immigration is at best a distraction, and at worst can fuel the racist attitudes of some people.
Yep, housing crisis is a pressing issue but that because not just lack enough housing considering the usable size of the land and the market value is overly bloated. We are stuck at endless cycle again with property investments that certainly not helping the problem, but making it harder. Our infrastructure is lacking especially transport as well.
Except interest rates were low during the pandemic which allowed people to borrow beyond their means to buy a home propping up demand. Everything else equal, fewer migrants will lead to lower rents and house prices. It is not a distraction. Price is determined by supply AND demand, and migration plays a large role in the demand side.
Politicians are total sham. They do not want to stop the migration, they always want to have more people and less housing available so the house prices are always on the rise. They want people to keep fighting when the resources are less so people’s attention is always diverted from serious matters. These politicians come into power when the land developers sponsor them, they in turn have to make policies that favor those developers. AND It is always in their favor when there is one or the other kind of housing related crisis. More people seeking for rental places, less availability, more people buying more and more houses creating a frenzy, driving the house prices up, leaving all the first home buyers chasing this.
Immigrants work pay taxes and spend. Only the government would not have enough funds without them which has been self inflicted over the past generation. Australia does not have enough housing supply nor tne infrastructure to cope. Clearly immigration needs to be selective to highly vetted essential workers in addition to further emphasis on rural job opportunities. Since Albanese chose to worsen sustained levels it's questionable whether he should stay. 27 million!!
Anyone who says 'there's so much space' I pity your intellect. Where will everyone go? We'll just give them tents and send them to the centre of the dessert in the outback!
@@paxundpeace9970No it isn't. Only 36% desert and that's very far inland. Australia is the size of USA mainland. The island Tasmania is the size of England and Wales alone. The state of Victoria larger than entire UK. New south Wales and Queensland is huge in area size and not desert. It's mostly western Australia northern south Australia and southern northern Territory that is a dry red dirt desert.
Our once lucky country , isolated geographically is now becoming just like the rest of the world .. overrun with people where they don't belong .. our Australian identity is being diluted at a rapid rate .. wish it was 1979 right now .. anyhow have a winfield and as Madge once said ' you're soaking in it ' .
Australia needs to focus on its citizens and small business and making them actually successful. Not worry about Aliens that dont care about our values
Migrants pay tax? They also have children, families, medical and dental requirements, and so on. I have never seen an objective assessment of the benefits migration brought to any society.
@@krewvpotatoare you even Australian? Australia has only 36% land thats desert with a land mass the size of USA. So that's 54% land area that is habitable. A total area size still larger than all of Europe combine habitable. The island Tasmania is the size of England and Wales alone and that's Australia smallest state. The state of Victoria is about the size if entire UK in area. The state of New south Wales is as large as Germany and France combined. And the state of Queensland is 5 times larger again than the state of New south Wales. There's no desert in thoughs area. All tropical and semi tropical rainforest mountain ranges and grassland, the desert in Australia is mostly in the state of Western Australia top end of south Australia and half of northern Territory. 2 billion people could live in Australia if spread out and you wouldn't even notice it. That's how large Australia is. Australia not small mate. And it definitely isn't mostly desert
It's a lot. America has a LOT more infrastructure & advancement. Most of Australia is on the coast, which is flooding the coast & creating terrible living conditions for a lot of born Australians. Australia is too behind with lack of leadership & weak politicians. They can't even fix pot holes on the roads. They don't care about you.
This is Australia current population as from 3:31AM today Australia population live clock count Australia Population clock (live) 27,290,852 Current population 13,601,827 Current male population (49.8%) 13,689,026 Current female population (50.2%) 269,400 Births year to date 146 Births today 133,801 Deaths year to date 73 Deaths today 177,137 Net migration year to date 96 Net migration today 312,735 Population growth year to date 170 Population growth today
I wish they had of gone into more of the statistics of which countries are attractive for OS folks they said students and backpackers so are they working in construction to diy their own housing? Also Your hair is looking really nice Liz ☺️
Let’s talk about migration so the TV channels and opposition can divert the attention lol. Stop being silly. How many real Australian families had babies last year and the answer search for it a very few And that’s where the answer is. 😅
@@danielxbox28 because india including delhi run by criminals corpo mafias greedy selfish politicians, that's why delhi looks like hell, look at the cities of china or even villages there are a million times better than india's I literally cried when I first time visited china and saw the infrastructure there which is a thousand years ahead of india !!
I don’t think it’s a really big problem since the country is mostly empty just like Canada. Take a look at many African countries or even Bangladesh. Their population growths are getting out of control.
@@liamharkin9157 Well, in my defense, many cities are sprawling further by building more neighborhoods and reaching into the empty parts. If the population growth continues like this, it’ll definitely be less of a problem.
@@anonymous3738 But there isn’t enough infrastructure to service these new neighbourhoods, and because cities like Melbourne are still centralised with a large chunk of the population travelling to the CBD to work, it’s mayhem.
@@liamharkin9157 In that case, Australia really needs to build more cities in the empty parts to cope with its population growth and become as densely populated as America where I’m from. BTW, you mentioned Melbourne. That Australian city is similar to Chicago where I live in as it has a railway loop in the city with certain lines terminating on it by going around in a specific direction.
@@anonymous3738true migrants keep filling up the cities instead of country areas. Theirs plenty of land where Australia could build new cities inland. If Australia government was smart they could tunnel new rivers to go inland make an inland sea lake Eyre. And build new cities around that also
Fact Time: Immigration began in Australia with the iconic First Fleet in 1788 and has since been established as intrinsic to Australia's history and national identity. It's no wonder Australia is among the greatest civilisations in all human history. 🙌
Equating settlers from the UK and Northern Europe to economic migrants from third world low-trust societies is nothing but blatant brainwashing propaganda! Grow up!
Take a look at Europe. What a mess it’s in. Immigration must be selective and limited.
True but civilisation has existed there for thousands of years they always worried about population growth over the centuries
Are you talking about the prostitutes and criminals who made it a country?
It IS selective. The rest end up on Papua New Guinea
Wrong.
Immigration polices today dtop construction workers from going australia and to feew australians train to work in trades.
Construction worker have no chance getting to australia anymore.
They aren't students; they're coming here to stay and work. Once they get their degree, they'll apply for PR and try and get the extended family here. Same with backpackers.
I wonder if the migrants know that their welcome has worn out/or they are not really wanted here anymore? Its disgusting that they get places, jobs and everything above everyone else and Australian babies and children have to sleep in tents and go without
Yup, same thing happens in New Zealand, you get a 'student' come here stays and works then once they get PR they bring the whole family and take the housing, now we have unsustainable immigration without the resources to cope, Kiwis living in tents and cars meanwhile foreigners in our homes
Yeah. Thats very bad. I was international student but i went to mongolia. I understand we can stay for few years, not whole life. We should go back and develop our countries.
For anyone that reads this comment.
Look up the 1920s and 1930s German housing market. It's very parallel to what's happening in Australia today. Not only with the common person being unable to afford a decent home, but productivity plummeted, wages stagnated and so forth.
We often hear that what happened in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s was due to a certain group of people. There's a reason why a certain party got elected, and it wasn't because they hated a certain group of people.
I fear Australia may go the way of Argentina or Germany.
Poor man
you could say that about a lot of Western countries though nowdays it's even with with the mass migration scheme by the elites
@@hairgrowthjourney9005 quite right . In fact the whole world has so many parallels with the 1930s it is quite terrifying.
I think we are my friend... Good post...people should look at history to understand the present..
Laughs in Canadian haha
This in a country that can not even feed or house its own people. This would suggest an intellect deficit.
You are aware that literally every other country on the planet is yet to achieve a 100% housed and fed population. This is by no means an Australian or Labour government problem. It's a human problem spread right across the globe.
We produce enough food to feed 70 million ya numpty
Don't we have enough space to house enough food for 40 million people?
@@nightraven2975 we have plenty of food
Plenty of space but still we can't keep building out. Building up would help.
When we closed the doors we had extremely low interest rates so it is ignorant to say that migration doesn't contribute to rising house prices.
It's a combination of policy and interest rates encouraging speculation and population growth which is coming from large immigration numbers not domestic birth rates that creates demand. The only way to make housing more affordable is to bring down the price but would be surprised if any politician dares to do this.
@@fatwombat2611 haha combination, when you're being rorted yes there's a range of frauds going on.
The rhetoric that international students are increasing house prices is laughable. Students rent studios in the CBD, not proper homes.
From investors, boosting the value of affordable homes out of reach for citizens
Normally 4 - 6 of them rent rooms in a shared house.
They might not increase house prices but there are other things they contribute to
But the students take up the CBD apartments that young Aussies would otherwise rent, forcing them to stay in mum and dad's suburban house.
@@fluffycat6489not that much as it would matter.
The issue is that not enough is getting build.
Builders can't get workers anymore.
Locals don't do cosntruction and they made it harder for people to migrate to australia as an construction worker.
How tf does this Liz woman have Dr in front of her name? Of our own local making? Ummm people who arrive need somewhere to live. They put pressure on rental and purchase markets. Houses take time to build (a lot of time it would seem in Australia). Migrants can't be quickly licensed as electricians, plumbers etc so they generally can't do most of the work to build houses. Therefore is it hard to see why importing a lot of people in a short time is not a great idea???
Housing (in Perth at least which is the city I know) the prices went through the roof after the borders were opened, not when closed.
Are you acknowledging the real estate challenges caused by population growth?
true
You mean, one lever makes housing affordable or unaffordable? If that was true, we could have fixed everything long ago. Then it means that the minute anyone has a kid, everything gets worse. The minute one more than some number gets in, things start to get worse. .....
Like telling an alcoholic to focus on their existing liver disease, and not to be distracted by how much alcohol their drinking. Sheesh!
Building more infrastructure and housing is a slow answer to the housing crisis. The government should put cap first in the migration number or distribute jobs in the regions to encourage migrants to relocate away from the major cities.
Migrants make up a huge share of construction workers.
Morris cut migration from skilled construction worker by half. Due to the SAFE Levy for almost 7 years nobody is finding skilled workers anymore. To few are getting trained locally because only a few want to do it.
Dr Liz Allen has a point, whether immigrants are let in or not, we still have high rent and house prices, and focusing on immigration is at best a distraction, and at worst can fuel the racist attitudes of some people.
Yep, housing crisis is a pressing issue but that because not just lack enough housing considering the usable size of the land and the market value is overly bloated. We are stuck at endless cycle again with property investments that certainly not helping the problem, but making it harder. Our infrastructure is lacking especially transport as well.
Except interest rates were low during the pandemic which allowed people to borrow beyond their means to buy a home propping up demand. Everything else equal, fewer migrants will lead to lower rents and house prices. It is not a distraction. Price is determined by supply AND demand, and migration plays a large role in the demand side.
If there wasn't so much demand for housing why would the prices be high?
I found a person with a brain. The only one in this comment section
We should make it easier to have contruction worker let in to australia.
No more giant permit fees.
No more levy that the emplyoyer has to pay.
Straya...bloody joke these days.
Politicians are total sham.
They do not want to stop the migration, they always want to have more people and less housing available so the house prices are always on the rise.
They want people to keep fighting when the resources are less so people’s attention is always diverted from serious matters.
These politicians come into power when the land developers sponsor them, they in turn have to make policies that favor those developers.
AND It is always in their favor when there is one or the other kind of housing related crisis.
More people seeking for rental places, less availability, more people buying more and more houses creating a frenzy, driving the house prices up, leaving all the first home buyers chasing this.
If you don’t believe me check your phone
Roads are choaked, can't buy a house, infrastructure can't keep up. lets import some more people.
From peaceful countries 😅
Got to bring in more people to preserve the illusion of a fine economy. Nvm the tents ⛺️
The economy is doing good we are at 4% rate and still booming.
The issue is the lack of construction workers.
Only those who are poor and desperate will find a home in Australia!
That explains why we can’t find anywhere to live
Lots of people was fleeing the war so that escalated unexpectly accurate
Australia should control its imigration policy. Otherwise it will become like USA. Study in Australia 20 yrs ago Great country ❤️💯👍
As long as the Australian government can provide infrastructure and services for Australians if not close the immigration gates
Immigrants work pay taxes and spend. Only the government would not have enough funds without them which has been self inflicted over the past generation. Australia does not have enough housing supply nor tne infrastructure to cope. Clearly immigration needs to be selective to highly vetted essential workers in addition to further emphasis on rural job opportunities. Since Albanese chose to worsen sustained levels it's questionable whether he should stay. 27 million!!
Anyone who says 'there's so much space' I pity your intellect. Where will everyone go? We'll just give them tents and send them to the centre of the dessert in the outback!
The population of Australia outside coastal capital cities hasn't increased in case you were wondering.
Desert
@@paxundpeace9970No it isn't. Only 36% desert and that's very far inland. Australia is the size of USA mainland. The island Tasmania is the size of England and Wales alone. The state of Victoria larger than entire UK. New south Wales and Queensland is huge in area size and not desert. It's mostly western Australia northern south Australia and southern northern Territory that is a dry red dirt desert.
She's taking about size and well-bein so highly credibility as you can see. Once you got families living in tents its too high.
27,400,000 as of 20th September 2024
Our once lucky country , isolated geographically is now becoming just like the rest of the world .. overrun with people where they don't belong .. our Australian identity is being diluted at a rapid rate .. wish it was 1979 right now .. anyhow have a winfield and as Madge once said ' you're soaking in it ' .
Australia needs to focus on its citizens and small business and making them actually successful. Not worry about Aliens that dont care about our values
Water shortage is an issue with population increase.
Check where the Aboriginal flag is right next to the Australian flag.
Dr Liz, get her on as a regular guest, she is hilarious 😂
Migrants pay tax? They also have children, families, medical and dental requirements, and so on. I have never seen an objective assessment of the benefits migration brought to any society.
If you think migrants don't pay tax then you don't even know what you're talking about.
'Doctor' Demographer needs to look over to Canada to see what her cheerleading is blindsiding us to becoming.
I love Australia 🇦🇺
Rookie numbers
Where is the infrastructure ... Water particularly
And everything is going just great.
27 million 'Aussies'
All that land and only 27 million?
Some 90%+ is desert , essentially unlivable.
the vast desert is covering most. I can estimate maybe around 150M+ pop. without that desert, lol.
@@krewvpotato And no navigable rivers either( obvious, given the desert), unlike the US and its privileged geography.
@@krewvpotatoare you even Australian? Australia has only 36% land thats desert with a land mass the size of USA. So that's 54% land area that is habitable. A total area size still larger than all of Europe combine habitable. The island Tasmania is the size of England and Wales alone and that's Australia smallest state. The state of Victoria is about the size if entire UK in area. The state of New south Wales is as large as Germany and France combined. And the state of Queensland is 5 times larger again than the state of New south Wales. There's no desert in thoughs area. All tropical and semi tropical rainforest mountain ranges and grassland, the desert in Australia is mostly in the state of Western Australia top end of south Australia and half of northern Territory. 2 billion people could live in Australia if spread out and you wouldn't even notice it. That's how large Australia is. Australia not small mate. And it definitely isn't mostly desert
@@krewvpotato Like Saudi Arabia and Egypt lol
Remember this Aboriginal land
That's nothing America is 360 million
It's a lot. America has a LOT more infrastructure & advancement. Most of Australia is on the coast, which is flooding the coast & creating terrible living conditions for a lot of born Australians. Australia is too behind with lack of leadership & weak politicians. They can't even fix pot holes on the roads. They don't care about you.
Our percentage increase is much higher and we don't have an interia population like Americans, so our costal areas are swamped
It's all relative. Supply and demand. Australia currently only has demand and speculation.
Where is the water going to come from on the driest continent?
It's not 90%+ desert, which Australia is.
I dont get the hatered towards the immigrants... how are immigrants responsible for the economic decline.?
It's nimbyism on a national level
27 million in total 😂 yeah right , it seems their yearly intake is 20 million, I don't believe the numbers given by them at all.
This is Australia current population as from 3:31AM today Australia population live clock count
Australia Population clock (live)
27,290,852
Current population
13,601,827
Current male population (49.8%)
13,689,026
Current female population (50.2%)
269,400
Births year to date
146
Births today
133,801
Deaths year to date
73
Deaths today
177,137
Net migration year to date
96
Net migration today
312,735
Population growth year to date
170
Population growth today
How easy is it for an Aussie to relocate to another country?
Much easier than non Aussies migrating here.
Australian whole popullation = 27 m, New Delhi population = 33.8 m, australia area= 7.7 million km2 , new delhi area 1438km2
This program is a joke. You need to be shut down.
Awesome. Need to keep up with Canada.
Australia is amazing. Australian penal colony...maybe not so much.
No more migrant inteak
I wish they had of gone into more of the statistics of which countries are attractive for OS folks
they said students and backpackers so are they working in construction to diy their own housing?
Also Your hair is looking really nice Liz ☺️
Well said miss
Life style.
"Dr"? lol yeah right.
Kevin Rudd is there. Did you expect something else?
Replacement agenda
Let’s talk about migration so the TV channels and opposition can divert the attention lol. Stop being silly. How many real Australian families had babies last year and the answer search for it a very few And that’s where the answer is. 😅
Less than the state of California 😅. The convicts settlement are still stuck in 1800s.
Population of delhi alone is 33.8 million !!!!!!!! So what is the fuss there Aussies???
Dehi's a s#!thole...we don't want to join them! Now you know....
Usable living space, available housing, food supply facilities, and job availability. All that.
Most of Australia is desert
yeah and look what Delhi looks like.....
@@danielxbox28 because india including delhi run by criminals corpo mafias greedy selfish politicians, that's why delhi looks like hell, look at the cities of china or even villages there are a million times better than india's I literally cried when I first time visited china and saw the infrastructure there which is a thousand years ahead of india !!
I don’t think it’s a really big problem since the country is mostly empty just like Canada. Take a look at many African countries or even Bangladesh. Their population growths are getting out of control.
Well they aren’t living in the big empty part in the middle are they? They live in the crowded cities where housing and infrastructure can’t keep up.
@@liamharkin9157 Well, in my defense, many cities are sprawling further by building more neighborhoods and reaching into the empty parts. If the population growth continues like this, it’ll definitely be less of a problem.
@@anonymous3738 But there isn’t enough infrastructure to service these new neighbourhoods, and because cities like Melbourne are still centralised with a large chunk of the population travelling to the CBD to work, it’s mayhem.
@@liamharkin9157 In that case, Australia really needs to build more cities in the empty parts to cope with its population growth and become as densely populated as America where I’m from. BTW, you mentioned Melbourne. That Australian city is similar to Chicago where I live in as it has a railway loop in the city with certain lines terminating on it by going around in a specific direction.
@@anonymous3738true migrants keep filling up the cities instead of country areas. Theirs plenty of land where Australia could build new cities inland. If Australia government was smart they could tunnel new rivers to go inland make an inland sea lake Eyre. And build new cities around that also
GDP per capita sliding, shows we have bought in wrong migrants.
Morris cut migration from construction workers in half.
@@paxundpeace9970Because many of them were dodgy. More than half Australia construction was none compliant
It shows we are failing as a country even with the addition of foreign labour.
Fact Time: Immigration began in Australia with the iconic First Fleet in 1788 and has since been established as intrinsic to Australia's history and national identity.
It's no wonder Australia is among the greatest civilisations in all human history. 🙌
Equating settlers from the UK and Northern Europe to economic migrants from third world low-trust societies is nothing but blatant brainwashing propaganda! Grow up!
Grubby discusting Albosleezy again!!
This lady is wrong
Are you acknowledging the real estate challenges caused by population growth?
Oh jeez. Don't point that out. Someone might call you racist.
@@MarktYertd 😂😂😂you numpty