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The Wild West Was As Wild As You Think - And 'Justice' Was Often Even Worse
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2022
- The American West stirs up grand images from movies: daring escapades, shootouts at high noon, tough sheriffs and marshals keeping the peace, and the cavalry riding in to save the day. The history of the Wild West is full of myths and stereotypes, but the truth about justice in the West is often more complicated - and more unsettling.
Violence plagued the American West. Settlers faced rising numbers of illegal acts as people poured into the frontier searching for new lives, and communities had to handle justice on their own.
#wildwest #oldwest #weirdhistory
I'm Native American, Apache and my great grandma born in 1899 would tell me of what her parents, grandparents, aunties, uncles etc.,would tell her and what she remembered of the old West. Amazing stuff !!!
I could listen all day, plus more 👍🏻
Tell us something.
Cool beans!
That’s so interesting. History straight from the source!
That’s amazing. I had great great grandparent on my dads side who were Cherokee and passed on stories long forgotten and now i only know a few stories through pictures. But what amazing tales ! ❤️🥰
My Grandfather was born in a Colorado mining town in 1883. He said that the Sheriff took your handgun when you came into town and your rifles were kept unloaded and broken. The Sheriff didn't argue. He often hit first, threw you in jail and left you to figure out why you were there. Churches ran most social affairs. He was in the first graduating class of the Colorado School of Mines.
Did you get to meet him
@@SpaceRanger187what kind of a dumbass question is that bra 🤦♂️
“History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes”
Yes it seems like the line between law enforcement, criminality and vigilantism was extremely thin.
Still is
Law protects corporate profits, justice is for the people
@@parkerottoackley6325 you missed the obvious hedburg joke
Something to keep in mind back in the Old West when it came to law enforcement. In those days you gave the job of sheriff or deputy or marshal to anyone who could do the job. There were no academies to train officers in those days and if they were lucky they hired someone who was an experienced soldier or hunter who could hunt and track fugitives. Just as often the ones they recruited were outlaws themselves. In some ways it was an ideal way to keep a gunfighter under wraps. Billy the Kid was even a deputized marshal during the Lincoln County War, and this was after his first killing.
Ya and blurry
You might have mentioned the Pinkerton's rather bloody history as strike-breaking thugs. On second thought, that deserves a whole video.
Great last name, Jovan. Mine is the same but spelled with an "U", like Johnny Weissmuller, but without the extra 'S'
The Pinkertons did what they had to. Unions are the devil and strikes should be illegal.
He already did a video on them
As one vigilante once remarked: "When you want to hang a man, one reason is as good as another."
Well just yesterday we had a brawl involving 25 people in broad daylight and infront of the police station and today one guy was shot in the back and we had a hit and run. Just before I saw your video I was saying to myself 'It's becoming like the Wild West lately'. Yup there's been an upscale of violence.
Oh my lord! Where was this? Do you need us to send body armor? Goodness! Stay safe!
And what demographic is disproportionately commiting all this violence?
@@KyleOber really?
@@KyleOber are you a racist troll?
They used to be mostly white bandits, back then. Completely the opposite now .
The wild west is easily the most interesting and eventful time in U.S. History
You guys should do a video about the historical Lone Ranger. The guy was a stone cold badass.
He wasn’t real.
@@Couplescience U S Deputy Marshal Bass Reeves.
there was no historical Lone Ranger.
@@bettysmith4641 Bass Reeves was a top notch U.S. Marshal, the more so for being an illiterate black man, but he had nothing to do with the fictional character of the Lone Ranger.
@@bettysmith4641 Reeves was a total BAD%%% !!! LOL.
Suggestion: What was life like on an early California rancho.
Also, how did things change in Spain's North America colonies when Mexico took them over?
Great question.
I second this
I read somewhere that it wasn't really nice for Mexicans, el Zorro is based on a folk tale on that.
That would make a GOOD documentary.
Suggestion: Read Richard Dana's Two Years Before the Mast, to get some idea of life in old Rancho California Days. He sailed to California in the 1830s and 40s. Warning though, it is a long read for those who do not want to know the techniques and stories about a sailing ship.
Additionally pick up the fur trapper stories about Jedidiah Smith, Kit Carson, and Capt. Fremont.
"1 in 200 chance of becoming a homicide victim in the US 2015", is not even close to correct. How, was that recorded and no one thought "hmm that seems high". First two things you will find when you google is, chances of being murdered in United States in any given year is about 1 in 18,989. In 2015 specifically there was about 5.54 fatalities per every 100,000 people
Yup this channel is becoming a bit loose with the facts
@@MrSlugny Yup, I had to switch accounts to repost the comment because they deleted it for correcting them 🤣
@@theprettybond159 yup welcome 🤗 to 1984 👍fun times
I think it was a script error because later say 1 in 203 back then in SF... Which would have been better not worse 😂
Maybe this was New York specific. 😎
I live in "Rough and Ready" California! I'm neither rough, nor ready, but they were when the town was named! After a short while, the people of the town seceded from the Union and it became the "Republic of Rough and Ready", but after a few months, they ran out of booze and asked to be reinstated to the United States so they could buy more liquor!!
One thing not explored was the effect of PTSD and the carpetbaggers of the civil war. Glad someone is bringing it up. These mens seen things more horrific than we can imagine they had little of their soul left.
I'd like to hear about the time period involving Gaius Augustus Caesar. From about the Battle of Actium, to about the next 10 years. And how he went from Princeps to Augustus, and ushered in The Roman Empire.
I'm in Durango, CO. and the wild west history here is very real. Having moved from Alaska, it is a really cool aspect of the town.
As for your parting question, I don't know how I'd fare in the wild west (I've played a good amount of Red Dead Redemption so I might be okay, har har) but its crazy to think that my ancestors made it through this period.
I love RDR 2 lol. 👋👍
They probably didnt. They were probably back east and moved west later. The old west was a meat grinder and not too many women.
From Alaska? You should stop by Taos or another Native NM village for a feast day
I wish someone would do a video on Massacre Canyon, Nebraska, it was one of the most vicious tribe-on-tribe Native American attacks ever witnessed by outsiders (Sioux warriors horrifically slaughtered a whole group of Pawnee men, women and children who were simply on one of their tribe's buffalo hunts). The US government and military had tried to play "peacekeeper" between the tribes of the region, and did about as good a job as the UN today. Goes to show our officials being incompetent idiots is NOTHING new.
It would be hard to survive during that time because people were on self-preservation mode all the time.
The level of education was so low in some of those areas that people probably hardly knew what they were doing most of the time.
Their justice system was similar to the first justice system in the world.
Very interesting history (which is helpful for understanding the past), thank you for the video.
As you can see education makes everything perfect, people are so nice
So, is this where the phrase, “Get the hell out of Dodge” comes from?
Yee. Idiot history made it seem like the gun laws made places like that better, but the reality is places like this that had horrible gun laws (strict laws) had the highest homicide rates because the citizens couldn't defend themselves.
The U.S. Army and not the Pinkertons were Lincoln's body guard at Ford's Theatre. The Pinkertons would have probably done a better job.
Damn Pinkertons are everywhere😢
So... it was kinda like Middle School, only the school nurse handed out whiskey, cocaine and opium.
Was Morphine a thing back then yet?
i mean that might’ve made school a lottt more interesting
Apparently I was at the wrong school
Why did you capitalize Middle School.
So you’re saying it’s exactly like Middle School in every way.
Love this! More history from the 1840’s to 1913
This makes me wanna play red dead redemption..
Damn those Pinkertons
My favorite channel on the planet!!!! I know, I'm not supposed to laugh at the horror, but it's so funny!!!! Thank you!!!!!! xoxo
There were no sophisticated investigations on crime way back, just imagine the amount of serial killers back then who were getting away and the innocent people blamed for their crimes and got executed. Even with today's technology for sure this happens but back then really was wild.
Imagine if old wild west people saw us let Epstein out of jail for "business" purposes when he was first jailed for abusing young people
Or the Clinton body count, or the Clinton foundation stealing k1ds from Haiti 🤔🧐
Then again people actually went outside and saw things happening not like the desolate streets of today
Serial killers in the modern sense weren't really a big thing before mass media
@@leggonarm9835Most places were more desolate back then. That's exactly why these things happened
I used to work for Pinkerton's as a security guard. I had no idea they had such an "illustrious " history.
Omg, you all showed a sketch of Judge Roy Bean’s place but skated right over talking about him??
Look him up (or listen to the Citation Needed podcast episode about him). Worth it.
Speaking of lawmen who turned to crime, Henry Plummer was Sheriff of Bannack, Montana for around a year (1863-1864) and led a band of road agents called the Innocents.
I'm betting they weren't SO innocent. LOL.
@@powerbad696 Oh the name was for sure meant to be a joke, one with great irony attached, even though most of them likely didn't know what that was.
They called it the "wild west" because of what you could get a woman of the night to do for a dollar...
about 18 dollars today
So nothing really changed.😉
In other words, God bless America!
Oh, Jesus Jones! 😱
@@aztraeuz you can say that again!
Would never want to be there
Love the term "Outlaw." You were literally revoked from the laws protection. You could be subjected to all sorts of treatment, and rightfully so! Wild, wild west!
I'm related to Henry "Doc" Holliday, and my great, great grandfather helped Frank James, the brother of Jesse James evade capture as a youngster when he came across James, conversed with him for a bit, and later pointed a pursuing Marshal in the wrong direction. (If I'm remembering correctly it was a Marshal, or Marshals, but it's been a while since I heard the story)
I don't know what my great great grandfather knew about James at the time, or what they talked about, but he was impressed by him enough to help him out, which is interesting considering how many of my ancestors in Missouri and Kansas were lawmen or military men, or both. For example his grandson, my grandfather, was a Sheriff in Missouri and served in the Army during WW2.
I've been kicking myself for not learning more about my family's history during the wild west, or learning more about the era in general, so I'm starting to do just that now.
After watching this video I kept thinking of how people in Walnut Grove (home of Little House on the Prairie/Laura Ingalls Wilder et al) would live and how much creative liberties were taken. Anyway what I’m asking is please do a video on the Little House on the Prairie.!What was life really like for the Ingalls family without Hollywood’s or Michael Landon’s Influence.
Perhaps you’ve done a video on them. If so please let me know.
I’d like to see an episode about the mine wars in West Virginia and the Baldwin-Felts Detective Agency.
3:50 I thought you were going to say, "especially those who were accused of taking another man's HORSE" 🤣🤣🤣 that picture 🖼️
That is real true about Los angeles. That's why they made that song called The Freaks Come Out at Night
The picture at 5:49 is as far from the "West" as one gets, BUT the Pinkertons WERE involved. The image is from the 1892 Homestead Steel Strike (Just outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
Surprised there was no mention of Judge Roy Bean, "The Only Law West of the Pecos".
Part of me would like to go back in time and just chill in the old West but I'd probably chill in a saloon and win a game of poker and get accused of cheating and take a bullet to the face
The movie West World would be a good one to watch before you go back in time.😃
Play red dead games
What was hygiene like on the set of “Wild Wild West” next week
Absolutely rank I'm sure.🤢
That 1 in 200 chance in 2015 is RIDICULOUSLY HIGH. That scares me.
Could you please tell me where the picture of the person with a snake around their neck (on the right in every title card) is from? I've seen it somewhere before & I can't figure it out. Love your work ❤️
The vigilance committee responsible for sacking the vigilance committee has been sacked by the vigilance committee... And now for something completely different.
Spend a day in family court and as a man you'll see how justice ⚖ hasnt improved one bit.
Only 11% of men ask for custody versus 97% of mothers (in families where custody was not personally decided by the parents outside of court). Family court is perfectly fair.
@@strawberrycherrybaby thats a bold face lie...I know 70% of men who fight and cant afford the lawyer fees because custody is automatically awarded to crazy insane mothers. Good job raising the kids by the way.
@@strawberrycherrybaby
And in cases where both want custody? Is it fair then?
I was part of the first 50 subscribers (2017/previous Account) I’m absolutely proud that you’re almost close to 4m subs.
It must be your fabulous manly voice
The more things change, the more they stay the same...
You mean the kind of justice we still have today?
If you ask me, given years in prison for small possession of marijuana, but giving only 100 days for 15 felonies, is pretty 'wild'.
Not even a little bit 😂 unfair and being hanged for shoplifting are two very different things!
😒
This is great. My grandmother’s family came to California in the 1850’s. I have a few old photos of family from 1870+ and they look like these old west photos.
Wild west basically a huge high school society...
Thank you and please do more Wild West videos
The San Fran reference is savage as hell. 😂😂😂
1:00 Speaking of Will Smith... How do you find him in the snow?
Look for the fresh prints.
Get out.
@@3880Tom well yes, snow can mostly be found outside, so that would indeed be the first step. Thank you for mentioning it!
Fresh prints: What they found on Chris Rock's face.
@@KevinWindsor1971 hhahhahaha rock solid joke! :")
🧐🧐🧐🧐
Summer in portland a year or two ago was wild.
The lesson of Tombstone. Don't bring a drunken dentist armed with a shotgun to assist with a misdemeanor arrest.
I love stories and facts about the West. Please post more 😀 Thanks
That painting on the thumbnail is called In Without Knocking, I think, and it's by Charlie Russell.
I had a print of that painting in my living room growing up in Montana...
Love it! Quanah Parker next please!!!
As it’s said , fear works and love don’t .
We need the same brutal punishment justice enacted back then for criminals now . Criminality is becoming all too common with laxer laws surrounding violent offenders.
Jesse James and Bonnie and Bonnie and Clyde were both in Missouri at one time. Wyatt Earp too I believe. Lot of history here in Missouri. Be cool to see a video on live moving west in the early days of manifest destiny and the river boats and pioneers and natives. Lot going on
Hickok shootout with Tutt happened on the Springfield MO square. Missouri, Arkansas and Kansas borderlands were very violent in the Civil War era.
Yes, there was lots going on all right. Just imagine the hard work they did. The disease and illness. They buried so many loved ones along side the wagon trains. And hot!!!! Women in there long dresses with petticoats underneath. All the women and girls would form a circle facing out. Then the gals would take turns doing there business inside the circle.
It was called using the necessary. I believe we like to think it was romantic and an adventure going west by wagon train. I think it was more like a nightmare for them. But it was something that had to be done at that time. And they did it!
Wild Bill Hickok was our town sherif in Abilene Kansas, But you forgot the best Sherrif of them all, Tom "Bear River Smith"!! Him and Bill met the same kind of fate. But Tom used his hands, not guns to set this town straight. Good man.
Curious to know more about Charles Brandon,Duke of Suffolk and good friend of HenryVIII
In my old west Norcal town? There's still an 1800s saloon across from the courthouse. We still hold huge rodeos & last year a vigilante road-hauled his p*do neighbor behind his motorcycle when police wouldn't follow up on tips. We're still old school here.
Hello from UK! Your town sounds like those wild west movie towns
Good! Cops are useless. I respect them, but they're friggin useless.
Was that the town up north that hung a black person on a tree a few months back ?
@@The105ODST no, I'd have heard that in this lil place. However I don't doubt it being nearby, CA has some seriously awful pockets of racism in its rural communities top to bottom.
@@FloralAndFire it's pretty racist in the cities, go visit oakland or watts
Great content 👌
I had an ancestor that was Sheriff in Williamson Co, Tx and somewhere in central Tenn. He died in 1883. I imagine he was a gun slinging bad ass. He was also in the War with Mexico as a captain. He defended the US when Mexico tried to take Texas. I'm thinking he was like Gene Hackman in "Unforgiven". But you can't take Americans guns. That's against the constitution. Surely they didn't forget about that by then.
I bet he was a racist sack of shit who hated blacks as well. Such a "bad ass"
@@BranMan10 well I mean there's probably a very good reason. Blacks are pretty easy to hate since they think whites spend their lives thinking about blacks and how bad they are. Actually they aren't worth thinking about.
Watching this made me feel like most of us these days live in luxury
That's cause we do
Would like to learn about the history of whaling, when it stopped, and who or what prompted it to end.
Whaling never truly stopped. While most of the world's governments adhered to the 1986 ban on commercial whaling, a few countries openly defy it. Namely, Norway, Iceland, and Denmark. Japan exploited a loophole that allowed them to do whaling in the name of research. Even after it was revealed that their whaling wasn't research-based, they continued to do it. To this day, the aforementioned countries still openly kill whales for commercial purposes.
In reality, Commercial Whaling has not stopped. Japan, Norway and Russia, I believe were still doing it. However, in the USA, commercial whaling came to an end when petroleum started being used as it was cheaper and easier to get at.
Awesome show thank you!
Could you do a history on garden gnomes, their design and how they ended up frequenting gardens!
Yes, and also comment on the symbolic meaning of their different styles of hats, jackets, shoes, facial expressions.....
They are all evil plotting your demise
@@SpaceRanger187 Probably!
David Carradine was in a bunch of Westerns. In the TV miniseries Mr. Horn he played Tom Horn, who was an Army scout, a Pinkerton, a hired gun, and ended up executed for the one crime he possibly didn't commit. Later Carradine was in The Long Riders, playing Cole Younger from the James-Younger gang, shooting at and being pursued by Pinkertons.
And Carradine was also a host of the Wild West Tech series for a couple of seasons. Most curious.
Finally!! Some more Wild West facts
Indeed! I love my Wild West shenanigans!
I dunno. These are facts sure. But they're definitely mostly just justifying stereotypes. Heck even the title of the video
Thanks for this! 🤠
'I'm your huckleberry' - Doc Holliday.
Sounds like the justice we need in some cities around the country
Sounds like someone who probably loudly claims they're for law and order actually wants the opposite.
The odds of being a victim of homicide in the U.S. today is around 1 out of 18,000 in any given year. Idk were you got 1 in 200.
A three legged dog from the wild west walks into a bar and looks around.
The bar tender looks at him and says "who are you looking for?". To which the dog replies "I'm looking for the guy who shot my paw".
Hehehehehe
I would like to learn more and see a video of you about the real Lincoln County Regulators
"Another day in paradise" 🤣
Please make a video on Bass Reeves.
Great video by the way what is the name of the background song @ 8:04
Arthur Morgan “Them goddamn Pinkertons”
Good video but lmao the bon jovi song he is talking about a bus 🤣😅😅😅😅😅
Don't sound that much different from the days that ahead of us ( 87,000 armed IRS agents)
Please explain 🤔
It sounds like the person in Marlago, the mob boss him self, the orange toddler.
@@michellef.554 There is this meme floating around that the new accountants who have been hired to look into tax fraud are going to be some kind of secret police breaking into 'good christian' houses and shooting people. Mostly spread by right wing figures with a history of tax problems who depend on the IRS being understaffed to get away with stuff.
How can idiot liberals actually SEE with their OWN EYES the difference between Republicans and Democrats and still vote Democrat?
well, red dead redemption 2 now feels like something that came from a wild west history book! 😂
Arthur, Lenny wants to have a drink.
@@ClickClack_Bam LENNY😖
To the og comment, rdr2 stuck to historical events in the game.
There are a lot of things in that game that you do that really happened in history.
When loading the game you see pictures that look real from the wild west. Those are real pics. I saw a post once where once of those pics was of a distant relative of theirs & they weren't sure how the game devs got that same pic of theirs. It must've been in a museum without them knowing it was. The game devs went pretty far in making that game true to the time period.
I watched a documentary on Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid & they ABSOLUTELY placed things in that game that let's you live out the robberies that the Wild Bunch committed. There's probably MANY other things from other outlaws in there but we just don't know it.
Suggestion:
California Bear vs Bulls, Lion Pit Fighting and History
At 3.55, is that conduit and wire in the photograph?
I live in a little old town in Arizona and this was a mining town back in the day that was just lined with saloons & brothels. Interesting history. Enjoyed the content! Much ♥️& all the best. Have a great day/night all! ♥️♥️
So your telling me red dead wasn’t to far off?
Good to know !
Good stuff!
I guess there's a reason the word "desperado" is so intimately linked to the Wild West. You had to be desperate just to go out there and try to make a living.
Picture in a store in Crested Butte about 1970. Title says rustler's strung up or something. An old man made a point to come over and tell me that the "rustler's ' owned the land and the guy who hung them owned the newspaper
I'm so interested in the early west. Can you cover wagon travel stories too please. Thank you.🇨🇦
You should DEFINITELY watch 1883 on paramount +, I really think you’d enjoy it😭!
As a one eyed man since birth,I am always fascinated with shooting specially in Wild West,I played Red Dead Redemption 2 years ago and now I am playing Evil West (these 2 are just games but inspired in the Wild West).
Just the other day someone asked me "who's the old timey guy on your wall?" And I had to explain its Doc Holliday 😅 19th century dentists are totally normal things for a 32 year old to be obsessed with
Compare the Old West to current Chicago, Detroit, DC or New York. At least in the Old West you could defend yourself.
Uh... I just want to note that the Pinkertons were not Abraham Lincoln's bodyguards anymore by the time he was at Ford theater. He was protected by dedicated government agents by then.
It's a small detail but it's an important one.
Thank You
My family came in 1889 from Ireland and didn't live in the west; lived in NYC and NJ. I assume i would have survived as they did and been smart enough to stay away from the west.
The outlaws had the Lone Ranger cornered and outnumbered so he appealed to Tonto to get help from the town. Hours later the Lone Ranger was almost out of ammunition and things looked desperate when Tonto arrived with 3 sporting ladies from the town bordello.
“Dammit Tonto I said bring the posse. The POSSE!” the Lone Ranger cried.
Do a video on scalping. It started as a Native American thing, but then a lot of folks were doing it by the turn of the century.
I see that movie poster starring the cowboy Buck Jones who died in the fire at the Coconut Grove nightclub in Boston Massachusetts in 1942.