What Happens When You Plant Avocado Trees in "Good Soil"
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- This is what the tree looked like last year:
• This 8 Year Old Avocad...
It looked like the same up until about 3 months ago.
Good soil is counter-intuitive when it comes to trees. Most people, nurseries, and academics think that good soil has amendments, lots of organic matter, fertilizers, and other biodegradable products. In fact, good soil is simple, and is found in nature. Good soil is mineral, inert, and has no organic materials in it. In every forest on earth, trees grow in mineral soil, and feed on the organic layer directly above it. It's an important distinction--the organic stuff is never in the root zone. Organic materials in the root zone eventually rot, and the rotting process produces lethal methane gases. These gases are deadly to most living creatures, plants included.
Link to Gary's UA-cam channel. He's the owner of Laguna Hills Nursery in Southern California:
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EXCELLENT INFO AJ! So many gardeners think you put stuff in hole.... not good! I’d spray garden phos on any tree that goes into the hole to protect from the root rot . I did this to an old bacon avocado tree and the thing took off!
Thanks Jeff! Yes I learned the hard way. I've heard great things about garden phos. Will try it one day.
Garys classes look legit. I like your new UA-cam branding! Excited to see where you take it
Thanks! Appreciate your support 👍🏽🙂🥑
Sorry for your loss thanks for the information I bought 5 lbs of worms to fix the same issue
Worms... interesting
My neighbor at the time was retired head gardener from Arcadia’s arboretum and noticed that a bacon avocado tree I planted died told him How I used cactus soil he said the only way to bring back the soil would be to dig four feet down replace the dirt with potting soil or to release the worms and try again in six months after releasing the worms covered the area with grass clippings it appeared to work
I agree with you 100% and Gary M. is spot on he is a very knowledgeable horticulturist!
Pls Keep promoting not using compost in planting holes.
Yeah, avocados are moody. After trial and error on my part I have learned to place the root-ball directly on the ground and mound up soil all around it. Like a huge 10 foot wide pitchers mound for a 15 gallon tree. 100% success so far. Oh, and about 8-10 inches of leaf litter bark mulch on top.
Nice. Any issues with wind?
I’ve heard others say the same thing, gives them great drainage. I didn’t know when I planted mine so I’m just hoping for the best.
I used to amend soil all the time. Recently I've noticed the best nurseries keep their avocados in straight sand. Now I plant in straight native soil and top dress.
You’ve got the right idea 👍🏼🌴🌲
So sorry bro it's sad to see your lovely plant dies.
One thing I’ve done that’s worked well was put a couple fish at very bottom of planting hole with few inches of soil over it so not touching roots at all my avocado trees have grown more in a season than any tree I’ve grew before. Cheers
That’s interesting info. Thanks
Dangg. Sorry to see that. Lessons learned!! I'm in Florida and there is a ton of sand. Root knot nematodes suck. I have my avocados 6-8 inches higher than grade. Some places near the beach or homestead are on huge limestones and the trees love that too
Lessons learned indeed. Planting higher than grade makes a big difference. You're totally right about the limestone-- I saw some incredible mango and avocado trees when I went to south Florida this last summer
I came over here to learn about avocados and got a lesson on dirt. I’m real new at this and I just repotted my lemon tree and included everything I heard about in the planting mix including some wood mulch because it was supposed to help keep the soil aerated. I just did this less than a week ago. Did I kill my tree? We don’t have any native soil here in our condo, growing in containers.
I don't think you killed your tree. The tree can survive for some time in bad soil. I like to plant my container citrus in decomposed granite. It's 100% mineral and citrus trees seem to love it. Any home depot or lowes has it
@@AJTheGraftMan Thank you
@@AJTheGraftMan By the way, you have inspired me. I am saving avocado seeds! And even cherry pits!
I transplanted my 2 year old avocado seed and it did not like it! The roots were so long and strong I cut some dead ones but not all the roots. The leaves are curling brown on the side. I left it in the pot for about a month. Blended potting soil and cactus but it does not like the cactus soil. (The nursery I went said it would be ok) Will be repotting in a new soil blend. A citrus and moisture soil blend.
Sorry to see that tree dead, but like you said, look at the bright side, now you have an opportunity to plant something else or graft it like you want. Sometimes a door has to close for another to open🌞
Yes indeed. Thanks
Sorry to hear about your tree but at least you learned a lesson from it and we should all learn from our mistakes not to repeat
Thanks
If this happens within 2 months of planting the tree, then it may be the soil amendment. But after 9 years, the amendment should already be gone. It won't suddenly start to rot and kill the tree roots. Something else killed the tree.
I think you’re right. I believe this tree was killed by lace bug infestation.
Thats what l learned the hard way too, lost 3 or so, putting organic material in the soil. However Gary is big on first washing off the woody potting soil that the avo comes in, I've done this, but often sets the tree back a lot. 3 trees planted w/o washing have done fine so far, both are 7 to 5 years old and thriving. So perhaps the native worms and bacteria safely break down this wood?
Thx for all the GREAT posts.😀
Yes I've noticed the same with avocados. They have a hard time bouncing back once they get their roots washed off. I'm not sure about the native worms safely breaking down wood. I hope it's true.
Thanks :)
@@AJTheGraftMan when I was younger, I thought compost was so good, I should grow it 50-50 mix with miracle grow. I lost several citrus including a ponderosa and almost lost Persian lime. Nearly everything died and now I use coco coir a vermiculite 50-50 and everything added on top. Plants happy, just don't get enough light really. Then I found Laguna...explained everything and as funny as it is, spraying the citrus with sugar water actually kinda works. Dark green leaves and one lemon on tree now. Laguna should be like the holy grail of plant knowledge.
Wow...sounds like the Avocado wilt issue we have here in Florida ... Doing good one day and then all leaves wilt ,turn brown and bam your tree is dead. Well lets hope the neighboring tree doesn't take the same route...
wow haven't heard of avocado wilt... sounds intense
@@AJTheGraftMan yes transmitted by a borer beetle from tree to tree
I'm sorry that you loss your very unique avocado tree. I hope that you grafted a shoot from this tree into one of your other avocados, if you did you can reproduce the tree. I found that mixing in a two inch layer of gravel at the bottom of the hole and mounding the tree up 5 or more inches prevents the roots from rottening. It took killing several avocado trees to finally learn this.
Thanks. Fortunately I grafted from this tree onto another seedling tree, and it’s showing the same small characteristics. It’s 7 years old and 4 feet tall. Yes I’ve killed many avocado trees in the past as well. A lot of trial and error
If the soil mix was the problem, then how does avocado trees grow in pure mix in a pot without that happening
How’s the tree that’s next to it doing, the one with the nabal on it? I planted my tree on a mound with native soil and sand, but I didn’t have enough soil for the mound so I put cactus mix on the top layer with mulch . Hopefully it turns out good
That tree is fine. Looks like it overcame the issues that killed the tree in this video. Your tree should be ok 👍🏼
@@AJTheGraftMan awesome thanks man! All of your videos have been very helpful, just got my grafting materials too. hope I can get as good as you one of these days .
😭💔 ohhh sooo sad😢... but great information, thank you
Thanks
Agree 100% !! SoCal soil is good to go.
Yes indeed
So sorry to hear bro but sounds like you've learnt from it and are upbeat about that spot's future. Good luck!
Thanks! Yes some great plans for that spot in the future 🌲👍🏼🙂
Hey mate, great channel. I have a question, I’m from australia and looking at “amending” my soil with some vermiculite, I saw on another channel that composts and wood heavy soils cause problems down the line. What’s your thoughts on vermiculite, I haven’t heard of that granite product you mentioned here I don’t believe it’s widely available in aus.
Thanks! Vermiculite is great. I use it in my garden sometimes. It's completely mineral so you can amend your soil with it. It's basically crushed up rock that's been heated and then allowed to cool. I use it in my potting mix because it aerates the mix and holds water well.
What season is the best for hass avocado?
spring and summer
@@AJTheGraftMan Thaks a lot
Should have tried Garden Phos?
RIP
Any chance I can get some scion from that hellen avocado?
Yes
@@AJTheGraftMan can you send me your email info so I can reach out to you
Mo J it’s in the ‘About’ section of my channel
Would you be down to hook it up with some scion wood? I’ll pay for it lol. I rather support a youtube I watch rather then online too.
P.s. I live in San Gabriel valley california
Wow, that sucks. Is this the one you mixed with compost like 2 years ago?
This one I planted in 2011 with a lot of bagged up potting soil and cactus mix from a big box store
I think the cactus mix with native soil would have been ok. The amended soils have a lot bigger wood chunks. Cactus mix has a lot of sand.
So sad to see. I find that mounding the tree provides oxygen for the roots. I hope the other trees planted in the same stuff don’t succumb to the same fate, is it possible to aerate the roots somehow before the rot sets in?
Yes mounding makes a big difference. I hope so too. I’m not sure if there’s a way to aerate roots in the ground
The leaves are about to flower .can i cut them and graft?
I would wait until flowering is done and the tree starts to push leaf buds instead of flower buds
@@AJTheGraftMan Thanks a lot
Bummer, I remember your other video. When starting new trees I used to add azomite, compost, and fertilizer mixed with the soil in the hole. Then I saw Pete Kanaris video and letting the nutrients feed from the top. Thought you may be interested even though you are not in Florida.
ua-cam.com/video/RRQFY30qdA8/v-deo.html
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Gotta spread the word about this...
Have you tried Azomite? I love the stuff.
Slick Rock I’ve never tried but I will. I hear great things about it