'Big Short' investor Danny Moses to investors: Avoid Tesla stock
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Danny Moses (of 'Big Short' fame), Moses Ventures founder, warns investors away from Tesla stock. With CNBC's Melissa Lee and the Fast Money traders, Karen Finerman, Dan Nathan, Guy Adami and Steve Grasso. For access to live and exclusive video from CNBC subscribe to CNBC PRO: cnb.cx/2NGeIvi
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Of course he doesn't want anyone to buy TSLA since he is shorting the stock. Really hard to see through that one!
The fundamentals for Tesla are just not there… its always been a hyped up stock. Look at the financials and you will see.
It's down over 50% YTD....keep believing the hype....and losing money.
Of course you don't want anyone to short Tesla, because you probably are holding massive bags right now and want it to go up. Really hard to see through one!
@@eldarmata8614 I don't want what you're smoking.
@@eldarmata8614 The problem is, everyone has been saying that for years, and yet Tesla has just continued to go up higher.
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So he's telling us not to buy Tesla while he's shorting the stock at the same time...? Conflict of interest? Of course he's gonna tell us to not buy Tesla, he's freaking shorting it!
But he's shorting it because he doesn't believe in the current valuation. So he's essentially put his money where his mouth is with his opinion. Appearing on a TV show wouldn't have affected this he's just sharing his opinion.
Shorting anything in this market seems to be safe but there are much better stocks to short than Tesla at 155 dollars. Look at the cash flow and growth when many other stocks are cash flow negative.
I’d rather short roku
Tesla may slowly become cash flow negative. I think that's what Dan is betting on.
Gas cars are resisting the obsolescence, unlike the horse.
Gotta love the Elon fanboys bragging about being down 60% YTD. Definitely not a cult.
Strait up clown cult 🤡
Tesla P/E reduced from 1400 to 50 in last two and half years, that is 28 times improved fundamental valuation. This year on track to sell more than 1.4 millions already sold 1.1 million in 2022 including China Q4 (Oct+Nov).
When a Co. goes from losing money to profits, initially PE is meaningless.
@@deesus1085 150 x 4= 600??
Please look at analysts 5 year cagr diluted eps projections for next five years. Then factor in a higher discount rate due to rates. Apply margin of safety and watch as you realize how overpriced this stock is. P/E has reduced to X is not meaningful.
It’s a meme stock
@@wread1982 LOL at a meme stock with the highest profit margins out of any automobile company and year over year growth in sales. Just be quiet.
Well I personally cancelled my order once I heard about the 7500 tax credit. But I just bout one with a 3750 dollar discount last week. Best purchase ever and I’m a 12 year home owner. Fun and so freaking beautiful inside and out.
Tesla's are the most expensive cheap car I've ever been in... It goes to the power of how powerful "brand" can be, because there's few rational reasons to be happy with a $100k car that has worse build quality and materials than an 07 entry level honda civic... Needing to get it fix is also a nightmare on top of the normal car repair nightmare.. Within 5 years, tesla valued correctly, Elon will have been fired....
For long term investors, who have a time frame of 3 to 5 years or more, would it be a good idea to buy after a 50% drop? I think so.
Well it was so overpriced it might never get to the same highs.
@@jordanslingluff287 You can literally say the same for any other stock
by that logic, go buy cvna - it's down 98%
@@tyroneanderson5619 Yeah I guess generically speaking. I can't think of any trillion dollar companies that were ever trading at 100x earnings. I wouldnt expect to see that price anytime soon, especially not in a 3-5 year period on this stock. Gains sure. If you have the stomach for it.
No it’s still overpriced please learn to do valuations. Stock has dropped by 50% is a nonsensical argument.
🏁TESLA will be the BIGGEST compagny on planet Earth in year 2030 🏁
Cisco will be the biggest company in 2010 - guy who lost a lot of money in 2001
Still amazon
Tesla stock will drop another 50% and might then do a 4x by 2030.
if u are new to investing i would dollar cost average if long term investor. one should never try to time the market, again if a long term investor.
is this really a good time to buy stocks? I know everyone says the market is ripe enough for buying but will stocks tank further this year? How long until a full stock recovery? How are other people in this market raking in over $250k gains within months, I'm really just confused at this point.
going to profit 12 to 14 billion this year lol and their saying, how much profit did Amazon make this year lol Tesla is clearly oversold
In other words enter Tesla or QQQ (which has Tesla and other relevant things in it)
Wanna see dude’s interview in 6 months 😅😅😅
Word!
He'll make an even bigger killing as TSLA goes sub 80.
“Not enough” this was at 110. Now at 198. Perfect counter trade signal when guys like this come on CNBC telling people to “short” or “go long”
Don’t we have numbers to tell whether Tesla orders are up or down if supply problems have been solved? Why is it a guess?
Tesla market cap is larger than all the major car makers in the world combined. That's insane.
EV is the future, shareholder start early
If EV is the future then Tesla is overpriced for the present. Sub 100 in this year. If it goes backup to 150/160 by year end I don’t know. But you can bet we are far from the bottom.
@@gorbachev834 EV infrastructure for charging is decades away. Nowhere near enough charging stations should every vehicle go to EV.
@@TonyStone3000 just Google tesla charging stations in usa or the area you live in and learn how wrong you are
Have you seen the Tesla price today?
I hope he keeps shorting, my long shares will like it
Good to see the band together. I like to listen to their podcast, but its nice to have sometimes a face to a voice.
His salary is probably greater than his profits in the market
I'm pretty sure Brad Pitt played Ben Rickert in TBS not Danny Moses lol
Long term 👍
Why this guy did not tell you to aviod tesla at 400 at 300 but now tell you to sell tesla here at 150,
TESLA: Look at me now 6 month later!
You have to admit... Tesla cars ARE pretty awesome.
Still just a car.
I’d rather have a Jaguar I-pace. Teslas are shoddily built
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Not the first time dealing with short the key off the short the can buy back 30 billions at cheap prize Tesla board denied the last Elon sale for Twitter
I kinda hope all these guys decide to short Tesla. There's a lot of pain on the other side 🤭
They should. Tesla is toast
@@travis1240 I love how Elon Musk keep telling people he's done selling his tesla stocks while he keeps on selling them. That's how to cash out at the top.
@@VTShaggy He's been selling the stock since it was at the top since last year. He'll keep selling til he no longer owns Tesla.
Just short everything until. That's whats soros probably doing now. It's too obvious
this didnt age well
Nice to hear someone talking without an agenda. He has a legit view and we are all clear on his position.
But he's not selling any more... No seriously this time... 😴
So wait we use to hammer Tesla because you had to wait for a car and now we are making fun of tesla because you no longer have to wait so long. I'm in Thailand and Tesla sold 5K on one day. I think they will do great out here plus there are massive amounts of upswing , the Thai police force bought and received their 7 cars and have more on order. Tesla in South Easy Asia has great position due to the nature of China being the point of manufacturing. WAY better tax under 100% import fees where most other cars are 300%.
TSLA is UP 600% the last 5 years and they're worried about 1 week??
Well yeah. See that was part of the stock market bubble spurred by huge tax cuts on investment and free money from the Fed. Those days are over. And it's down close to 70% from it's high.
It's way overvalued even today. People are looking elsewhere for ev,s.
@@VTShaggy Great. But 5 years from now it'll be 2x from here again.
Even Elon him self sell billions of his shares.
@@agungredking9160 Different reasons.
Tesla might go down to 100 a share.
TSLA is a long term hold anyone who doesn’t buy this stock will be crying 5 years from now
Plenty of of investments out there that will return greater returns. TSLA is just a car company stock after all.
it was Rafe Spall not Brad Pitt
TOTALLY AGREE with this fellow's assessment of TSLA valuation. And the stock is much lower now.
Yes dont buy on low, buy high
so far he is right
This interview will not age very well.... Lol
Long term investors never actually exist if u have tesla since 2014-2017 or even pre 2020 forget exiting like EVER, profit taking is part of being in market for traders.
Smart man. Tesla stock has been getting decimated since he said this and there is still so much room to go down. The company is still being valued almost as much as the rest of the car market combined. One of the most overvalued stocks out there.
He is not dumping Tesla…
Making profit
And coming with some new product.
Big hedge funds (shorts) knows but they don’t want to express positive.
Tesla is not just automobile company, it is Tech company too..
LONGGGGGGGGG
Tesla is the ultimate meme stock - it is overvalued by anywhere from 10 to 20x. It may have continued in its rarified state somewhat longer if not for Musk's Twitter debacle. But what's happening there will force everyone to take a hard look at both Tesla and SpaceX.
That's exactly what I was going to say. A meme stock. I've been looking at Tesla's so called Market Cap for years and was dumbfounded how they arrive at that figure when I see at best, 1 or maybe two Tesla vehicles driving around on the roads.
@@electrolytics There are ennugh on the road and is a good company for a startup... the overpriced share price is insane
@@electrolytics “so called market cap”… the market cap is what it is regardless of how overpriced it might be. You don’t need to add “so-called” to drive your point that you think it’s overvalued.
$35 should be a great cover or buy back
Near the peak of the market, one of the greatest arbitrages was to short Tesla, and to buy shares of every other carmaker in the world. Tesla's Valuation was higher than every other carmaker combined. It was just madness how overvalued Tesla was and still is.
Is that a recommendation from Kevin O’Leary?
Anybody can short any stock today...macro
Tesla (and Space X) used to care very little about this kind of gossip.
If there saying avoid Tesla then it’s time to buy
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A short seller telling longs to stay away from a stock? WOW
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Hey, how you doing Danny? lol
Ummm, what exactly is wrong with the valuation? Show me any other hyper-growth company that's trading at a 25x fwd multiple. It's literally more than half their average CAGR the last 5 years.
I could name 10 easily…
Don’t you know that as interest rates go up, hyper growth comes down…
Tesla needs to justify their high PE which they likely cannot, assuming a recession happens.
@@henri6595 what “high” PE? It’s a hyper growth company, they aren’t growing 2% CAGR.
Diversify
CNBC's brand has took a major hit. Of course, this left leaning mouthpiece is talking down Elon...no surprise
Bingo
What a nice as you guys who have done nothing as Elon do what you do best, criticize
Some may want to buy, given that Elon may accede to the Twitter voters
With the Twitter vote and BOJ latest 50 basis point range increase, Tesla just went down to US$140, there's opportunities in this bull amidst the bear
Even if things go well for Tesla, it’s going to take 5+ years to recover the stock price and get back to it’s high. Possibly 10 years. Few understand this.
It's way over price for the amount of cars it can sell. Once sales figures stop growing, you will really see abandon ship and the real value of Tesla will drop back down to pre-2019.
Ummm it’s funny how many people don’t understand Tesla’s business! Hopefully it goes to 100$
@@walden6272 LOL at sales figures stop growing. Tesla has 20 million annual ICE car sales to eat into meanwhile GM, Ford, Toyota,etc will be struggling to make a profitable EV and convert over to electric vehicles.
@@ocampbell1954 Most Americans still prefer ICE and some will never convert, they oppose the green energy nonsense. And not to mentioned, BYD and other Chinese Brand EVs will eat up Tesla's market share. BYD already sell more cars than Tesla.
@@walden6272 It's not the amount of cars that matter. It's the profits from those sales.
Oooofda!! Brutal.
But spot on!
"Sell that sucker again!"
He was right, by the time I am writing this Elon Musks Teslas stock has dropped so much that he has lost 200 billion dollars.
Maybe he’s not really short Tesla. Maybe he has another hand that’s long and playing the psychology game. If the public sniff him out and disagree and start buying to pinch him then he’s collecting the gains on the other side. Be careful what these people spew on CNBC
so all we have to do is let the fool run out money and watch his calls then start buying and the Tesla motor recoil is GOLDEN VAMOS TELSA...
I bet he was shorting Tesla all the way to the first half of 2019. Thanks to Elon's Twitter drama, he's seemingly correct, for now. From his idiotic comment about fundamentals, he'll loss a ton of money in the end, relatively to his stake.
For the record: $TSLA today closed at $157.67.
This is aging well 🥴
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Just short the market with 25K
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Tesla is overvalued.
Prove it
Don't let these clowns fool you with their short position and negative outlook. I would short Tesla without hesitation if I were managing a multi-million dollar account. The strategy these individuals employ involves shorting the stock during a spike, potentially yielding a nearly 50 percent correction profit. It's important to note that they are not dishonest about their position; the key question is when exactly they choose to short the stock. Additionally, the negative reports from PR and CNBC will invariably assist in achieving that 50 percent correction profit
Microsoft looks like a good short.
Tesla has $10+ Billion in cash. Keep shorting, Moses. You’ll find out.
People forget that Tesla ain’t just a car making company smh the ignorance is real lol
These dudes will never learn! Never short Elon!
Trump said get rid of electric cars. In 2024 trump will destroy Elon once and for all
Tesla stock is down 55% this year. Anyone shorting the stock this year has made a fortune.
I mean, Elon him self selling his own share.. so..
Don't let your worship blind you from seeing reality.
Elon himself is supposed to be shorting TSLA.
There's always a fool trying to predict the short term price of a stock!
These people are Market manipulators. You don't know what they are doing behind the scenes
Energy stocks are something good to loo k into also in my eyes
Tesla is an energy stock
Merry Christmas 🎄 Tesla ❤️🔥📉💸 2:11
Elon sold 22 Million shares....that was his compensation bonus from 2019🤣🤣🤣 a bonus...he still has 110 million shares. You would sell some too🤑 Sounds like he described tsla in companies to invest in. Debt free, tons of cash on hand, growing🤔
i’m sitting on over 30% profit on Tesla right now and never listen to these plonkers
smart dude....
Hmmm.. not a chance the fed funds goes to 5?? Well.. it’s looking like he will be dead wrong on that one
A month later and he's lost on his short its been up consistently during the next month to $178
Buy low. Sell high.
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How is competition coming while he says recession headwind are also coming? How will the competition come with headwinds hitting them way harder? Complete contradiction
They are not so exposed potentially, for instance to China or to pressure in the luxury segment.
I always believe short selling is not ethical and it isn’t. Can’t tell that to some greedy Wall Street banker though, making money on an American company downfall? This is good for who? besides some suit on Wall Street.