I've got more of a breakdown on who actually owns the cap manufacturing here : ua-cam.com/channels/7OQvf6lnzYUw8_g7ehxR_Q.htmlcommunity?lb=UgkxeoImmO1DY6RSEZDvsK1FGr7__0RfeaCd Let me know if you think this needs it's own video.
Vista who owns CCI & Remington have been bought out by a Globalist European Czech outfit who are controlled by anti-American Globalist forces. I could name names but I am not on the right forum. We need a source for the brass shell cups equal to Rem #10 dimensions. We can fill our own.
@@AMX86 it's all about the money boys! Hell I even opened up a can of Vienna weenies today and they barely filled the can this country is in a sad state when we can't even fill a can full of undesirable meat parts... Who would have ever thought we would see shrinkflation in Vienna weenies at almost double the price?
In the meantime, the flintlocks continue to rule. I'm lucky in having an abundance of chert to the point of nuisance where I live so have been learning how to knap my own gun flints from scratch. It is a worthy skill to learn.
Thank you Ethan for standing in the gap brother! You are appreciated sir! I hope their word is good. It sure looks like a good opportunity for them to get a head start on the “season”!
I contacted Remington on this subject as well. Their response was very cordial and states they were expecting their caps would be on the market for the fall as well.
I live in Poland and caps for black powder revolvers became so expensive that it costs between 300% to 500% of original price. So I just make my own :)
Curious here..... How are y'all going about makmaking your own and how corrosive are they? I tried that prime-all stuff and ended up with more than 50% dead caps and/or caps falling apart. The ones that did work caused an extreme red oxide buildup in just a few shots. Very disappointed in the product.
@@Sport--willow I dont know the english word for it, it is basically black dots on the red paper tape in a number of 100, twelve by a pack so it makes 1200 black dots, I cut about 15, pour in the water for about a minute, divide the paper layers, scrap it into the aluminum caps, squeeze it with a small rod and let it dry, one per 20 can be unable to go off, but when they pop they usually ignite the powder charge quite good. Nevertheless , I use Selier and Beelot for everyday carry.
I saw two bricks of primers yesterday in a gun story. They were $109.99 for one thousand! I remember buying a brick for $8.10. Also powder is around a hundred dollars a pound for some. I remember it for $8.00 a pound, and probably people older than me remember it cheaper. I started reloading in the late Sixties. I know the crooks in Washington have been stealing from us by inflation all these years, but I thank that ammo and components are in excess of inflation. Even cast bullets; I used to buy them from an outfit called National Distributors our of Delaware back then. They were 2 or 3 cents apiece, sized and lubed and came in a wooden cigar box like container - post paid! I thought that was a great deal then, but look at what they cost today!
Thank you for going to bat for us on the percussion cap issue - it is nice to have some information regarding when various items might be available. Thanks again.
I recently scored 1000 #11 magnums caps on Midway USA. Also took a trip to my nearest Sheels (who has been out of stock for as long as I can remember) and they had a TON of #11's in stock for $9.99 so I grabbed 4 more!
Woah. Wait a minute. If a company like CCI is not making enough product to satisfy public demand, then that company needs to have pressure applied to it if thats what it takes to meet demand. People can push gently, and with respect. CCI makes great caps. I wish all thier caps were available. They need to ramp up production. Seriously.
Exactly. If people were silent up to this point, they would not even be aware that the demand for caps was as high as it is. Lots of people are looking for caps and it's not like they only buy one cap lol. Often times people are getting a case of a 1000 or more. Even a thousand isn't that much when you consider most people run a few caps through the muzzleloader to get rid of any leftover oils after they have been cleaned and stored.
Unfortunately "demand" isn't just "hey we want these" in words- rather its "hey we're willing to pay more money than before" in $$. That's what demand is, really.
That's great news, I'll be on the lookout during the coming months. Thanks for the news, it seemed like muzzleloader's were being treated like they were insignificant or unimportant.
As a muzzleloader enthusiast I am glad you were able to get this information "from the horse's mouth" so to speak! It's been a long dry spell! I am also a centerfire smokeless cartridge target shooter and the 2+ year lack of centerfire primers for handloaders has further been a real impediment. Another youtuber talked with a cartridge manufacturer representative recently who said he could not offer a good guess when primers would start to become available. Existing contracts with military, law enforcement agencies, and unprecedented civilian user demand drove the manufacturers to produce only complete cartridges -- primers by themselves are not big money generators. The guy also said that panic buying and hoarding in great numbers has also played a role in the shortage. As an aside apparently a European cartridge company is going to build a primers plant in the U.S. (Arkansas?). I'm thinking this company also makes percussion caps (not sure of this). But a new factory takes time to complete and get up and running.
Thanks for checking into the cap shortage!!!!! I was over a month trying to find caps, two months ago Powder Valley was the only place I could find CCI 11 caps, none existent in ME and according to several local gun shops, Remington caps will never be seen again..........
Thanks for doing this man! I stocked up on thousands of RWS caps last year when I could get them and now probably won’t buy for a while, but I’m glad CCI is getting back in the game. Even with my stash, I haven’t been shooting as much just knowing in the back of my head that they could be hard to replace.
CCI, Federal and Remington are all owned by the same company. I have #10 and #11 nipples for my c&b revolvers. For rifles and shotguns I have been shooting flintlock for years.the capper I use for rifles has not had to be filled for over 4 years. Nice to see companies willing to talk to you.
I have been shooting muzzleloaders for 30 years. Never have these cap companies produced them “seasonally”...Remington..CCI..bullcorn! You could walk into Wally word and pick them up for less than $5 per tin. This is BS! I find them from time to time for $15 a tin now, and there are only a few available. There is something else going on. In the meantime..make your own components..cap..powder..patch and ball. Do not be dependent on these companies for your shooting freedom. Acquire the materials..stockpile these materials..Learn the knowledge to make what you need and be self reliant.
That something else is that one company, Vista Outdoors, owns three of the four domestic manufacturers. CCI, Remington, and Federal are all in their control. That much concentration of the market should never have been allowed under the anti-monopoly laws.
Think of it this way perhaps. Back in the day there was demand for a certain amount of primers and cartridges. So they'd fill that need, then spend time making things that produce less profit, like caps. With the upsurge in demand for small arms ammo, they spend their limited time making more of that and less caps.
That's why I got the little punch to make my own caps out of beer cans. The die punches out the cup, then you just add priming compound with a drop of acetone on top, let it dry, and you're in business. Never had a single issue with one yet
Add production lines to meet demand. In all products. More demand drives more sales(so long as you increase production) which means more profit. This is a fact across all products.
Couldn’t agree more, the story across the board from companies is “ it’s a gamble to spend the money to add production capacity when the demand may be short term” I’d say 3-5 years of high demand isn’t short term myself but I’m not a bean counter.
I 100% agree. Let’s face it they have the tools on hand to produce 10’s & 11’s, so clean out a section of the factory and get some lines moving. It’s obvious from all of the comments here that there is a demand. I live in Iowa, and I’ve called about everyone you can imagine, no one’s got a thing on the shelf and they don’t know when they’ll start shipping again. It’s frustrating. I guess some companies just don’t know how to handle prosperity.
Well it’s officially fall and the hunting season is about here and still can’t find a single website or store carrying precussion caps. Sad that it’s easier to find real ammo than a brass cap right now. What is going on? CCI AND REMINGTON PLEASE CRANK OUT SOME CAPS FOR US!! I JUST WANT A CASE OR TWO IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK ?
Thanks for the update! I've given all my percussion guns to family, but they're scrounging to keep shooting. Haven't seen a percussion cap on shelves in my area in a couple years.
If you have a shop near you that buys ammo and stuff like that, they can be a good place to check once in a while. You never know what they are gonna get. I haven't seen any in any other shop near me besides the one store that actually buys ammo and stuff from people.
As a fun project, my son and I modified a cheaply acquired Traditions percussion rifle into a tacti-cool example with adjustable stock, pistol grip, and fore end. I posted a video last night. I bought him a tin of caps last weekend that we found in a small shop. He did not have a concept of how rare they were and how special a find it was to find them. I can't wait to see him shoot it for the first time!😂😂😂
Part2 Which drives up the prices, in Australia most ammo and components from the US have risen as much as 300 percent while European manufactures have increased in line with inflation . NB these same European manufactures can still meet civy demand and supply the demand for mil requirements in Ukraine . Winchester seems to be the only US outfit with it's act together because their popular calibres have not gone up in price or been hard to get eg 223 ,308 9 mm 45 etc.
When you said they may be distributing an older run of caps I believe it. I recently bought some for my cap and ball and not a single one of them would work which is unheard of from CCI in my experience. They were about $15 locally so that really sucked.
I dont have any proof BUT ammo is all round expencive and hard to get. If you cannot control the guns, control the ammo.i am gearing up to make my own caps. Im getting cap gun caps while i can as they will be hard to get soon.
About a year ago I found my inventory of caps quite low. I went to several outlets to purchase and was told that I could expect a wait of about 1 year. I went online and searched how to make #11 percussion caps and found information on how easy it was to make "my roll your own" caps. For the cost of about $150.00 I now have enough supplies to make about 4,000 caps. I have found that they work about 95% of the time. I only use them for practice and keep my store bought for hunting.
Evidently Scheels in Missoula or Great Falls, MT has them in stock for in-store pickup. If you live in or around those cities, might want to check this out.
what about #10's? just the same! I did "JUST" get 2000 #11's at a fair and decent price from a very reputable well run company! I did not realize how BLESSED I Am at that Moment!
Thank you Ethan. I was very interested the explanation about this shortage. What I did find very interesting was the number of people on Reddit who decided try and make their own caps. I hope those people embrace some entrepreneurial spirit and keep making caps. They won't become billionaires, but maybe they will learn about research/development/marketing and having fun at the range.
They aren't too difficult to make but is a little time consuming. Having the tool to make the cup would be a good purchase if you can't make one yourself.
My local gun shop has had them since last winter, but I am in a place where in lines are really more popular. 209 primers are harder to find than Jimmy Hoffa's corpse. I know I bought quite a few of them before the shortage and got a few more tins once I saw them available and have plenty on hand. Any form of political issue or problem between now and June or around then and we could be facing the same challenge all over again. The reason percussion caps are in demand right now, a lot of people are buying anything and everything when it comes to firearms and more than a few hunters I know are willing to hunt all fall with a muzzleloader for deer even in regular season to save their cartridge ammo.
As long as they are hunting with traditional muzzleloaders I applaud their involvement. If they are using in-line muzzleloaders with powder pellets and conical bullets they are simply trying creep into muzzleloading season with basically modern firearms - cheaters. 🤷🏻♂️
Great news,and thanks for all your hard work and effort to bring us the news and. Keep us informed, my concern is that they don't get hoarded and resold at inflated prices via the internet, like we've seen with 22LR ammo in the past and center fire primers!!
I can totally understand and agree with CCI’s decision to go where the money is; after all they are in business to make money. Traditional Muzzleloading is a relatively small market segment, traditional cap & ball a still smaller segment. Good news that CCI has committed to begin #11 cap production in time to get them into the marketplace well before hunting season. With the limited supply over the last 2-3 years it should be no surprise they are seeing an uptick in interest. I would feel much more confident if the CCI “representative” had a name and title. Without an individual with some authority taking responsibility for the production time frame it looses it’s impact on me.
Schuetzen musket caps have been available at Graf's most of the time over the last year or so. switch out that #11 nipple on your longarm and be happy. musket caps are way easier to handle anyway.
Thank you, Ethan. CCI #11 caps fit on some cones but don't work as well on my Cowboy Action C&B pistols, which work best with Remington #10 caps. The Remington #10s are slightly longer than the #11s. Any idea when caps in that size will be available again?
My friend told me that percussion Are out of stock a lot of places is because there's no background check on muzzle loaders and the government only once you've been able to shoot guns with background checks.
The only caps that I need is the number 10 caps for my 36 caliber Navy. That's one reason why I haven't bought any type of percussion rifle dew to the problem of not being able to get caps. Now I can make number 10 caps but I need the Caps that go in little cap pistols the paper ones in order to make my number 10 caps and those are getting hard to find now. But honestly I would prefer to have a Flintlock because like I had told you before I've got a bag of flints. I have a few the size of a musket and the rest is the size for my 50 caliber Hawken. But if I am able I will most definitely scarf up on some number 11s. If I can't use them at least I will have some for my friends or you if you need them but the amount you said you were going to buy in the beginning well I might be hanging onto those number 11 for a while. Thanks for all this information I certainly appreciate you gather this for us. Always remember keep ye powder dry!
Todd van horn some I got at Cabelas, and some at Wal-Mart ( in a state that still let's them carry ammo and guns) while still others I sourced from the Dam Road gun shop in Delevan Wisconsin they don't carry a lot of them but they do carry them, while still others I found at Fleet and Farm.
No caps is why I bought a couple of flintlocks. easier to find flints. also got a cap maker and primeing compound from 22Lr reloader for the revolvers.
How much of a line does it take to make caps? This has been done since mid 1800s!! Good reason why we need small family owned businesses who cater to smaller markets like muzzleloading.
It would be a very smart move if the percussion gun manufacturers set up a cap production line, this shortage must be affecting their sales, and it is not a very technically challenging product to make.
My local supplier here in California says he expects to have some #11 caps in a couple of weeks. I don't know if this is true or not. I certainly hope it's true. Thanks for the video.
Two gun stores in the next town over from me has them. One had about 3-4 tins and the Dunham's had 5-6 tins. Run about ten to thirteen bucks a tin depending on where. I've been buying one or two when there is nothing else I need.
Kind Thanks for your research and info! It is greatly appreciated! It will be nice to have a few caps indeed. My old gun has been calling me,”shoot me, Shoot me”! And Thanks again for spending your time to find out about caps and to CCI as well! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
We also have the same problem here in Europe with RWS manufacturing caps, and especially here in Italy where it has became harder and harder to get percussion caps
The shortages in this industry have been explained at length by several companies’ spokespeople. The CEO of Federal did as good a job as any. The short version is: they are running at capacity, and will NOT invest millions in new expansion of their plants for what may be temporary demand. If I owned one of these companies, I wouldn’t either. The guy in the video I saw didn’t actually use the word ‘hoarding,” but I just did…..
i dont mean to shoot the messenger, but cci hasnt been too reliable with their info. a july release wouldnt have caps available in our market until the seasons were winding down or already ended and we would have little or no oppertunity to train before hand. as far as the centerfire market goes we are still waiting on that to recover as well. the availability and selection of ammunition and reloading components is skeletal at best
I have maybe 200 or 300 caps. I will buy some more as soon as they show up. Making plans for the December season already. Could stand a few shooting practice sessions before then.
We have the same problem in germany too. It is simpy imposible to get caps with 4,2mm That is RWS1075. It is more or less the standard for rifles and revolvers here,
Bought a cap and ball revolver and the first thing you want to do is try it out. Very disappointing not to be able to shoot it when you can’t find caps. I found some RWS caps in stock but at $37 for 250 caps and $23+$12 for hazmat and shipping that’s over $70
Here in western NC there are only a few large rifle primers available in small gun shops. This is not a marginal part of their business. No #10 or #11 are available.
I've been on the hunt for 2 years. Like looking for a unicorn. Found some that had just came in, like that morning. Bought #2 no#11's and 1 no#10. They were $16.25 a piece and I didn't care. I was smiling like a lovesick teenager coming out of the store. When you have #0 in the ole gun safe. It's like winning the lottery. I'm good to go now on ammo and caps. Since covid and ammo shortage. And everything else I now have a check list I go by. And I'm 100% ready now. Times like this, makes you be prepared literally. Food and ammo and safety. Peace.
I was at a place 3 years ago when I was able to buy 25+ lbs of powder. And about 10 thousand caps # 10 and #11 . I just had good timing. I shoot BP revolvers frequently. I’ve been lucky enough to have plenty.
Every time they come available in past times I try to get a carton of caps and store away. The main use is for the cap and ball revolver and one cap lock rifle.
I don't think so, there are still a variety of ways to get involved and be active. If purchasing a first muzzleloader right now and wanting the traditional side of things, a flintlock is the way to go.
As a beginner, I am already making them myself. Fortunately, they are not hard to make. My caps are pretty good even as a novice. I don't think that I would consider buying caps now.
I'm just starting to really take an interest in black powder guns. But for the life of me couldn't figure out why I can't find a single can of percussion caps. I still want to get into it so I ordered a primer maker that uses aluminum cans.
Here is what is crazy, CCI is owned by Vista Outdoors who also owns a world of sporting gun brands, as well as, firearm related products, labels.....you just about name it. With this huge demand for ammunition, components, and the bulk of their manufacturing portfolio, WHY is their stock down.... I get that REI stopped using/selling their outdoor recreation products, but that too is a smaller share of the family nest...... In this day and age, nothing seems to make sense...... YOU would Think the stock market demand for VSTO would be 40-50% higher for the product demands...????
I’ve been watching their stock as well, absolutely bonkers in my mind, doesn’t make sense, but I’m just a farm boy out here lol. A few stocks I watch should be double with the demand they see and I’ll I hear is crickets
I guess I need to thank CCI & Goex for helping me become self sufficient. I am now making my own powder and primers. I would have preferred to purchase them but they've left me no choice.
Don't you think the situation with caps and primers, it would behoove the manufactures to enlarge their capacities of manufacturing these items? Especially since the prices have gone up so much, the profits are there to justify the costs of enlarging the facilities.
Thank you. :-) I am frustrated with the expense(twice the price for 2 oz less) involved with using Blackhorn. I have considered not supporting them altogether. I really do not like being taken advantage of, or seeing others taken advantage of all in the name of shortages and so on. I have been making my own gun powder For three dollars a pound.
I've got more of a breakdown on who actually owns the cap manufacturing here : ua-cam.com/channels/7OQvf6lnzYUw8_g7ehxR_Q.htmlcommunity?lb=UgkxeoImmO1DY6RSEZDvsK1FGr7__0RfeaCd Let me know if you think this needs it's own video.
It’s as old as the Wild West…follow the money…..
Yes, definitely it needs a video!!
Bad link.
Vista who owns CCI & Remington have been bought out by a Globalist European Czech
outfit who are controlled by anti-American Globalist forces. I could name names but
I am not on the right forum. We need a source for the brass shell cups equal to Rem #10
dimensions. We can fill our own.
@@heofthebee is Michal Strnad a Jew?
If you limit production and constrain supply, you'll have "unprecedented demand".
They all see dollar signs
and unprecedented PRICES.
@@AMX86 it's all about the money boys! Hell I even opened up a can of Vienna weenies today and they barely filled the can this country is in a sad state when we can't even fill a can full of undesirable meat parts... Who would have ever thought we would see shrinkflation in Vienna weenies at almost double the price?
Our man out here with the Johnny on the spot muzzleloading journalism.
Thank ya kindly, trying my best!
“The squeaky hinge gets the oil.”
Badger CCI, incessantly. Hound them. What has being ‘nice’ gotten us?
More BS!
Exactly
Lack of caps in my area is why I got a flintlock instead.
Same here.
In the meantime, the flintlocks continue to rule. I'm lucky in having an abundance of chert to the point of nuisance where I live so have been learning how to knap my own gun flints from scratch. It is a worthy skill to learn.
I need some chert! Here in BC Canada there is none.
@Wild Tex always gotta know how to reprime a primer too with matchheads
That’s awesome
Flintlocks are just so beautiful to look at. Caplocks are such a let down.
Thank you Ethan for standing in the gap brother! You are appreciated sir! I hope their word is good. It sure looks like a good opportunity for them to get a head start on the “season”!
I contacted Remington on this subject as well. Their response was very cordial and states they were expecting their caps would be on the market for the fall as well.
That was bull. The company sold out to a European company--wanting to supply military.
I live in Poland and caps for black powder revolvers became so expensive that it costs between 300% to 500% of original price.
So I just make my own :)
Same here in Colorado. Caps cost more than. 22 rounds
It’s BS! They should never cost that much. We live in sad times. Everyone should learn to make their own supplies..and be self reliant.
Curious here.....
How are y'all going about makmaking your own and how corrosive are they?
I tried that prime-all stuff and ended up with more than 50% dead caps and/or caps falling apart.
The ones that did work caused an extreme red oxide buildup in just a few shots. Very disappointed in the product.
@@Sport--willow I dont know the english word for it, it is basically black dots on the red paper tape in a number of 100, twelve by a pack so it makes 1200 black dots, I cut about 15, pour in the water for about a minute, divide the paper layers, scrap it into the aluminum caps, squeeze it with a small rod and let it dry, one per 20 can be unable to go off, but when they pop they usually ignite the powder charge quite good.
Nevertheless , I use Selier and Beelot for everyday carry.
@@shizumiyato7045 thank you my friend for the information.
I saw two bricks of primers yesterday in a gun story. They were $109.99 for one thousand! I remember buying a brick for $8.10. Also powder is around a hundred dollars a pound for some. I remember it for $8.00 a pound, and probably people older than me remember it cheaper. I started reloading in the late Sixties. I know the crooks in Washington have been stealing from us by inflation all these years, but I thank that ammo and components are in excess of inflation. Even cast bullets; I used to buy them from an outfit called National Distributors our of Delaware back then. They were 2 or 3 cents apiece, sized and lubed and came in a wooden cigar box like container - post paid! I thought that was a great deal then, but look at what they cost today!
When I started buying smokeless it was 18$ a lb.
Time to start casting our own bullets? Not sure how difficult it is, esp. to find lead ingots.
Get off rufus’ lawn!!! 😂
@@brettneville2351lead batteries in a landfill won't let you down
Thank you for going to bat for us on the percussion cap issue - it is nice to have some information regarding when various items might be available. Thanks again.
I realized a long time ago that I didn't want to be dependent on caps... Switched to flinters, learned to knap, and how to make my own powder.
Now you know why the flintlock was the choice of the mountain man.
I recently scored 1000 #11 magnums caps on Midway USA. Also took a trip to my nearest Sheels (who has been out of stock for as long as I can remember) and they had a TON of #11's in stock for $9.99 so I grabbed 4 more!
You struck gold!
Woah. Wait a minute. If a company like CCI is not making enough product to satisfy public demand, then that company needs to have pressure applied to it if thats what it takes to meet demand. People can push gently, and with respect. CCI makes great caps. I wish all thier caps were available. They need to ramp up production. Seriously.
Indeed.
Exactly. If people were silent up to this point, they would not even be aware that the demand for caps was as high as it is.
Lots of people are looking for caps and it's not like they only buy one cap lol. Often times people are getting a case of a 1000 or more.
Even a thousand isn't that much when you consider most people run a few caps through the muzzleloader to get rid of any leftover oils after they have been cleaned and stored.
Unfortunately "demand" isn't just "hey we want these" in words- rather its "hey we're willing to pay more money than before" in $$. That's what demand is, really.
Thank you for staying on top of the percussion cap issue.
That's great news, I'll be on the lookout during the coming months. Thanks for the news, it seemed like muzzleloader's were being treated like they were insignificant or unimportant.
Because they are. What is it, 2% of gun purchases?
You're in no position to make demands.
@@camojoe83 you’re laughable
@@camojoe83Then why is there “unprecedented demand”? Shouldn’t they be able to keep up easily if they’re so unimportant?
Thanks for getting the scoop on this, I haven't seen hide nor hair of any percussion caps in stores for the past 2 years.
As a muzzleloader enthusiast I am glad you were able to get this information "from the horse's mouth" so to speak! It's been a long dry spell! I am also a centerfire smokeless cartridge target shooter and the 2+ year lack of centerfire primers for handloaders has further been a real impediment. Another youtuber talked with a cartridge manufacturer representative recently who said he could not offer a good guess when primers would start to become available. Existing contracts with military, law enforcement agencies, and unprecedented civilian user demand drove the manufacturers to produce only complete cartridges -- primers by themselves are not big money generators. The guy also said that panic buying and hoarding in great numbers has also played a role in the shortage. As an aside apparently a European cartridge company is going to build a primers plant in the U.S. (Arkansas?). I'm thinking this company also makes percussion caps (not sure of this). But a new factory takes time to complete and get up and running.
Thanks fro the kind words, just trying to do my part!
I've heard similar on Arkansas, waiting to hear some confirmation though.
When they are done making caps I hope they make more Large Pistol Primers.
Thank you Ethan for the update, it would be nice to get caps again for my old CVA Hawken.
Thanks for checking into the cap shortage!!!!! I was over a month trying to find caps, two months ago Powder Valley was the only place I could find CCI 11 caps, none existent in ME and according to several local gun shops, Remington caps will never be seen again..........
In July and August we are all going to horde this stuff beyond all estimates. They will probably gouge us on the prices too.
Thanks for doing this man! I stocked up on thousands of RWS caps last year when I could get them and now probably won’t buy for a while, but I’m glad CCI is getting back in the game. Even with my stash, I haven’t been shooting as much just knowing in the back of my head that they could be hard to replace.
Wow! Where did you find thousands of RWS Caps? They have been wonderful caps over the years.
I thank you for your time, effort, knowledge, and information you bring to the table.
Take care, stay safe..
Thanks for being our voice in this. And you hit that number right on. I would love to get my hands on 20k caps
CCI, Federal and Remington are all owned by the same company. I have #10 and #11 nipples for my c&b revolvers. For rifles and shotguns I have been shooting flintlock for years.the capper I use for rifles has not had to be filled for over 4 years. Nice to see companies willing to talk to you.
I have been shooting muzzleloaders for 30 years. Never have these cap companies produced them “seasonally”...Remington..CCI..bullcorn! You could walk into Wally word and pick them up for less than $5 per tin. This is BS! I find them from time to time for $15 a tin now, and there are only a few available. There is something else going on. In the meantime..make your own components..cap..powder..patch and ball. Do not be dependent on these companies for your shooting freedom. Acquire the materials..stockpile these materials..Learn the knowledge to make what you need and be self reliant.
That something else is that one company, Vista Outdoors, owns three of the four domestic manufacturers. CCI, Remington, and Federal are all in their control. That much concentration of the market should never have been allowed under the anti-monopoly laws.
Think of it this way perhaps. Back in the day there was demand for a certain amount of primers and cartridges. So they'd fill that need, then spend time making things that produce less profit, like caps. With the upsurge in demand for small arms ammo, they spend their limited time making more of that and less caps.
That's why I got the little punch to make my own caps out of beer cans. The die punches out the cup, then you just add priming compound with a drop of acetone on top, let it dry, and you're in business. Never had a single issue with one yet
Get flintlocks you can find your ignition supply laying around on the ground.
Add production lines to meet demand. In all products. More demand drives more sales(so long as you increase production) which means more profit. This is a fact across all products.
Couldn’t agree more, the story across the board from companies is “ it’s a gamble to spend the money to add production capacity when the demand may be short term”
I’d say 3-5 years of high demand isn’t short term myself but I’m not a bean counter.
I 100% agree. Let’s face it they have the tools on hand to produce 10’s & 11’s, so clean out a section of the factory and get some lines moving. It’s obvious from all of the comments here that there is a demand. I live in Iowa, and I’ve called about everyone you can imagine, no one’s got a thing on the shelf and they don’t know when they’ll start shipping again. It’s frustrating. I guess some companies just don’t know how to handle prosperity.
Well it’s officially fall and the hunting season is about here and still can’t find a single website or store carrying precussion caps. Sad that it’s easier to find real ammo than a brass cap right now. What is going on? CCI AND REMINGTON PLEASE CRANK OUT SOME CAPS FOR US!! I JUST WANT A CASE OR TWO IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK ?
Thanks for the update! I've given all my percussion guns to family, but they're scrounging to keep shooting. Haven't seen a percussion cap on shelves in my area in a couple years.
If you have a shop near you that buys ammo and stuff like that, they can be a good place to check once in a while. You never know what they are gonna get.
I haven't seen any in any other shop near me besides the one store that actually buys ammo and stuff from people.
As a fun project, my son and I modified a cheaply acquired Traditions percussion rifle into a tacti-cool example with adjustable stock, pistol grip, and fore end. I posted a video last night. I bought him a tin of caps last weekend that we found in a small shop. He did not have a concept of how rare they were and how special a find it was to find them. I can't wait to see him shoot it for the first time!😂😂😂
Sounds like a blast!
Part2
Which drives up the prices, in Australia most ammo and components from the US have risen as much as 300 percent while European manufactures have increased in line with inflation . NB these same European manufactures can still meet civy demand and supply the demand for mil requirements in Ukraine . Winchester seems to be the only US outfit with it's act together because their popular calibres have not gone up in price or been hard to get eg 223 ,308 9 mm 45 etc.
When you said they may be distributing an older run of caps I believe it. I recently bought some for my cap and ball and not a single one of them would work which is unheard of from CCI in my experience. They were about $15 locally so that really sucked.
I dont have any proof BUT ammo is all round expencive and hard to get. If you cannot control the guns, control the ammo.i am gearing up to make my own caps. Im getting cap gun caps while i can as they will be hard to get soon.
About a year ago I found my inventory of caps quite low. I went to several outlets to purchase and was told that I could expect a wait of about 1 year.
I went online and searched how to make #11 percussion caps and found information on how easy it was to make "my roll your own" caps. For the cost of about $150.00 I now have enough supplies to make about 4,000 caps. I have found that they work about 95% of the time. I only use them for practice and keep my store bought for hunting.
Yep ... I have 87 left ... I have been shooting my flintlock and I converted to 45 long colt on the pistols, glad they are coming back. Thanks
Evidently Scheels in Missoula or Great Falls, MT has them in stock for in-store pickup. If you live in or around those cities, might want to check this out.
what about #10's? just the same! I did "JUST" get 2000 #11's at a fair and decent price from a very reputable well run company! I did not realize how BLESSED I Am at that Moment!
I've had great success with DIY caps for my Hawken. Much less so for cap and ball guns.
Thank you Ethan. I was very interested the explanation about this shortage. What I did find very interesting was the number of people on Reddit who decided try and make their own caps. I hope those people embrace some entrepreneurial spirit and keep making caps. They won't become billionaires, but maybe they will learn about research/development/marketing and having fun at the range.
They aren't too difficult to make but is a little time consuming. Having the tool to make the cup would be a good purchase if you can't make one yourself.
My local gun shop has had them since last winter, but I am in a place where in lines are really more popular. 209 primers are harder to find than Jimmy Hoffa's corpse. I know I bought quite a few of them before the shortage and got a few more tins once I saw them available and have plenty on hand. Any form of political issue or problem between now and June or around then and we could be facing the same challenge all over again. The reason percussion caps are in demand right now, a lot of people are buying anything and everything when it comes to firearms and more than a few hunters I know are willing to hunt all fall with a muzzleloader for deer even in regular season to save their cartridge ammo.
As long as they are hunting with traditional muzzleloaders I applaud their involvement. If they are using in-line muzzleloaders with powder pellets and conical bullets they are simply trying creep into muzzleloading season with basically modern firearms - cheaters. 🤷🏻♂️
Great news,and thanks for all your hard work and effort to bring us the news and. Keep us informed, my concern is that they don't get hoarded and resold at inflated prices via the internet, like we've seen with 22LR ammo in the past and center fire primers!!
Git gud , scrub. Whip that money out and buy tons, sell em for profit.
Or complain.
I make my own and theres a person that sells a DIY percussion cap kit on Amazon.
Wow, one can only hope, I guess. Thanks for the update.
I can totally understand and agree with CCI’s decision to go where the money is; after all they are in business to make money.
Traditional Muzzleloading is a relatively small market segment, traditional cap & ball a still smaller segment. Good news that CCI has committed to begin #11 cap production in time to get them into the marketplace well before hunting season. With the limited supply over the last 2-3 years it should be no surprise they are seeing an uptick in interest.
I would feel much more confident if the CCI “representative” had a name and title. Without an individual with some authority taking responsibility for the production time frame it looses it’s impact on me.
Schuetzen musket caps have been available at Graf's most of the time over the last year or so.
switch out that #11 nipple on your longarm and be happy. musket caps are way easier to handle anyway.
So kind …. Basically the salesman “ snowed you “.
Thank you for the good news hopefully they will hold up to their word keep up the good work
Thank you, Ethan. CCI #11 caps fit on some cones but don't work as well on my Cowboy Action C&B pistols, which work best with Remington #10 caps. The Remington #10s are slightly longer than the #11s. Any idea when caps in that size will be available again?
Thank you for your work on this! I appreciate your dogged determination! Now another downside, since the demand is so high the prices will be high.
My friend told me that percussion Are out of stock a lot of places is because there's no background check on muzzle loaders and the government only once you've been able to shoot guns with background checks.
The only caps that I need is the number 10 caps for my 36 caliber Navy. That's one reason why I haven't bought any type of percussion rifle dew to the problem of not being able to get caps. Now I can make number 10 caps but I need the Caps that go in little cap pistols the paper ones in order to make my number 10 caps and those are getting hard to find now. But honestly I would prefer to have a Flintlock because like I had told you before I've got a bag of flints. I have a few the size of a musket and the rest is the size for my 50 caliber Hawken. But if I am able I will most definitely scarf up on some number 11s. If I can't use them at least I will have some for my friends or you if you need them but the amount you said you were going to buy in the beginning well I might be hanging onto those number 11 for a while. Thanks for all this information I certainly appreciate you gather this for us. Always remember keep ye powder dry!
Thanks for the update I've been using#10s for my muzzleloader.
Thanks for the update. I will still keep my Flintlocks at the ready, and yes I do Knapp my own flint.
Todd van horn some I got at Cabelas, and some at Wal-Mart ( in a state that still let's them carry ammo and guns) while still others I sourced from the Dam Road gun shop in Delevan Wisconsin they don't carry a lot of them but they do carry them, while still others I found at Fleet and Farm.
No caps is why I bought a couple of flintlocks. easier to find flints. also got a cap maker and primeing compound from 22Lr reloader for the revolvers.
How well does the 22lr reloader deal work?
How much of a line does it take to make caps? This has been done since mid 1800s!! Good reason why we need small family owned businesses who cater to smaller markets like muzzleloading.
Agree 100%
It would be a very smart move if the percussion gun manufacturers set up a cap production line, this shortage must be affecting their sales, and it is not a very technically challenging product to make.
Ethan . . . Very nice job reporting the news about CCI CAPS!!! Hope to see you at Friendship in June!
Friendship is awesome. 👍
My local supplier here in California says he expects to have some #11 caps in a couple of weeks. I don't know if this is true or not. I certainly hope it's true. Thanks for the video.
Two gun stores in the next town over from me has them. One had about 3-4 tins and the Dunham's had 5-6 tins. Run about ten to thirteen bucks a tin depending on where. I've been buying one or two when there is nothing else I need.
Kind Thanks for your research and info! It is greatly appreciated! It will be nice to have a few caps indeed. My old gun has been calling me,”shoot me, Shoot me”! And Thanks again for spending your time to find out about caps and to CCI as well! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
We also have the same problem here in Europe with RWS manufacturing caps, and especially here in Italy where it has became harder and harder to get percussion caps
I hope it improves!
The shortages in this industry have been explained at length by several companies’ spokespeople. The CEO of Federal did as good a job as any. The short version is: they are running at capacity, and will NOT invest millions in new expansion of their plants for what may be temporary demand. If I owned one of these companies, I wouldn’t either. The guy in the video I saw didn’t actually use the word ‘hoarding,” but I just did…..
Three of the four domestic manufacturers are owned by Vista Outdoors: CCI, Remington, and Federal.
I bought about 10000 back in 2019. I like the Remington caps that fit better and a little tighter.
i dont mean to shoot the messenger, but cci hasnt been too reliable with their info. a july release wouldnt have caps available in our market until the seasons were winding down or already ended and we would have little or no oppertunity to train before hand. as far as the centerfire market goes we are still waiting on that to recover as well. the availability and selection of ammunition and reloading components is skeletal at best
I have maybe 200 or 300 caps. I will buy some more as soon as they show up. Making plans for the December season already. Could stand a few shooting practice sessions before then.
Its late September and they are still out of stock or ridiculously expensive (on the secondary market). Its just crazy!
Was going to say that. Still can't buy them anywhere and no sign of it lifting.
Some time ago I purchased 8000 #11 caps for $2.96 per thousand , store erred on price I even asked for a double check , I'm set for life .
I've been able to get Winchester extra hot #11 caps from a couple of sources, and they've been excellent, and I've only gone to normal retail outlets.
info please?
We have the same problem in germany too. It is simpy imposible to get caps with 4,2mm That is RWS1075. It is more or less the standard for rifles and revolvers here,
What about large rifle primers ? We haven't been able to buy any in over 2 years here in Australia ?
Bought a cap and ball revolver and the first thing you want to do is try it out. Very disappointing not to be able to shoot it when you can’t find caps. I found some RWS caps in stock but at $37 for 250 caps and $23+$12 for hazmat and shipping that’s over $70
What do you recommended for a beginner tryin to get into muzzleloading? Im having a hard time choosing a rifle.
Here in western NC there are only a few large rifle primers available in small gun shops. This is not a marginal part of their business. No #10 or #11 are available.
Thanks for the update
I've been on the hunt for 2 years. Like looking for a unicorn. Found some that had just came in, like that morning. Bought #2 no#11's and 1 no#10. They were $16.25 a piece and I didn't care. I was smiling like a lovesick teenager coming out of the store. When you have #0 in the ole gun safe. It's like winning the lottery. I'm good to go now on ammo and caps. Since covid and ammo shortage. And everything else I now have a check list I go by. And I'm 100% ready now. Times like this, makes you be prepared literally. Food and ammo and safety. Peace.
I was at a place 3 years ago when I was able to buy 25+ lbs of powder. And about 10 thousand caps # 10 and #11 . I just had good timing. I shoot BP revolvers frequently. I’ve been lucky enough to have plenty.
That's awesome Steve!
Every time they come available in past times I try to get a carton of caps and store away.
The main use is for the cap and ball revolver and one cap lock rifle.
20k of caps? Do they have a good long surefire shelf life? Like many years?
Struggling to get caps in the UK now too so I am thinking of getting a flintlock
I've yet to see any #11 in sporting good stores in my neck of the woods in Michigan. Muzzleloader season starts in just a few days on Dec 1st 2023.
So , my question is , is this the wrong time to get into Blackpowder/Muzzleloading?
I don't think so, there are still a variety of ways to get involved and be active. If purchasing a first muzzleloader right now and wanting the traditional side of things, a flintlock is the way to go.
What's going on with their industrial capacity?
As a beginner, I am already making them myself. Fortunately, they are not hard to make. My caps are pretty good even as a novice. I don't think that I would consider buying caps now.
Thank you for making this video. It is inspiring!
I'm just starting to really take an interest in black powder guns. But for the life of me couldn't figure out why I can't find a single can of percussion caps. I still want to get into it so I ordered a primer maker that uses aluminum cans.
Here is what is crazy, CCI is owned by Vista Outdoors who also owns a world of sporting gun brands, as well as, firearm related products, labels.....you just about name it. With this huge demand for ammunition, components, and the bulk of their manufacturing portfolio, WHY is their stock down.... I get that REI stopped using/selling their outdoor recreation products, but that too is a smaller share of the family nest...... In this day and age, nothing seems to make sense...... YOU would Think the stock market demand for VSTO would be 40-50% higher for the product demands...????
I’ve been watching their stock as well, absolutely bonkers in my mind, doesn’t make sense, but I’m just a farm boy out here lol. A few stocks I watch should be double with the demand they see and I’ll I hear is crickets
I need Remington #10's
I guess I need to thank CCI & Goex for helping me become self sufficient. I am now making my own powder and primers. I would have preferred to purchase them but they've left me no choice.
Did you ask Remington the same question?
I’m in south west Florida august 2023 will I find any caps anywhere? Or are they already sold out everywhere?
Don't you think the situation with caps and primers, it would behoove the manufactures to enlarge their capacities of manufacturing these items? Especially since the prices have gone up so much, the profits are there to justify the costs of enlarging the facilities.
...Any chance they could make caps that fit more like Remington #10s?
I am running a couple different "Northwest" muzzleloaders, so I was hoping for some news on Musket Caps 😢
Great report! Also, Where’s the Blackhorn 209? Even more important; when is the price going to return to normal!!!!!
Video on that coming tomorrow 💪
Thank you. :-) I am frustrated with the expense(twice the price for 2 oz less) involved with using Blackhorn. I have considered not supporting them altogether. I really do not like being taken advantage of, or seeing others taken advantage of all in the name of shortages and so on. I have been making my own gun powder For three dollars a pound.
I bought a 1860 last june. Still in the box untouched. No caps. 🙄
No. 10's are worse around here. So glad I stocked up.
Primers are hard enough
Good to know. Thx Ethan.