MAKING A SOLID SILVER CURB CHAIN
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- So in this video I'm making my first attempt at curb chain making. I started with casting 4mm thick wire, but sadly failed, and resorted to buying 60cm of 2mm wire which done the trick.
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My second attempt with some thinner wire- ua-cam.com/video/nczp5etJhGw/v-deo.html
I like how you show your mistakes as well as the successful chain because I was starting to think its me whom just makes mistakes
Making mistakes is the best way to learn XD
Hi sir, Good effort but you should take pure silver and 85+10+5 ratio (silver,zink, copper)of soldering materia then it will work properly.myself also an Indian gold smith.
Now i appreciate jewellery chains more
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Your channel name is fun with fire and my channel name is fun with jiyad
So the links broke on the twist because the solder is weak?? Or was it because the metal was too soft?
Having the same problem
Metal was too tough for the solder used, need to make the links a little closer together as-well
@@natecharleswatches ok... I'm going to take that into consideration ...I'm going to give it another go with stronger solder.... I used my vise to close the jump rings in preparation for the solder so I believe that my joints were pretty close...thank yoy
Black Coder OK, I didn’t want to sound like a pretentious little snot , and try to avoid saying this but I will go ahead
I am not a Goldsmith nor a silversmith nor a jeweler but I did take courses with one
And my *opinion* from what I learned is that the way that he thought it was the wrong way
Now listen:
My reaction was what we did at school:
First you have to put this liquid flux onto the object you should’ve use smaller bits of Solder , and they should penetrate the joint all the way joining it everywhere, there was too much space in between the jump rings , my teacher taught me to make my joining area as perfect as possible so that there is his little solder as possible
This gives you a better join
I noticed you made mistakes in this in the video that’s my opinion
If you make perfect joints you should have less problems this way
also!!!: when you use too much heat for too long and silver it becomes week, The molecules are expanded if you hit it around a little bit then the molecules contract again, this is very difficult to explain via UA-cam but I’m doing my best
My opinion was he used to much heat because if you use smaller pieces of Sauter it should go quicker and use less heat , that’s pretty much an ideal for a Goldsmith
Please feel free to comment back
I always thought that heating the metal would soften it and make it easier to shape/bend
Heating the chain b4 twisting help alot
Yeah annealing it would probably help. But, ya gotta learn somehow.
i doesnt it weakens the solder
i love that you don't edit out mistakes. beautiful work man, keep it up!
I learnt some lessons that I thought would be useful for others to see, even if i'm the one making mistakes XD
@@natecharleswatches it will save someone some time! excited for the next video
Agree
@@natecharleswatches extremely so, because if not, when I inevitably come up on a mistake, I wanna know the recourse!
Hey, good job. You stuck with it through the learning process and figured out what worked best for you and the end result looked great.
Quite the learning experience for sure
Bro you gotta big talent but you don't have enough materials I'm sorry
Thanks bud, and yeah deffo need a kitted out workshop in the future
@@natecharleswatches yeah but we're here always watching these nice videos
Hi , watched your video , I'm a goldsmith 30+ years. Like your enthusiasm. I always say you never know everything and our mistakes make us better keep it up ! Have a look at makume gane might be suited to your style and equipment.
Michael Grady-Dent you think you could make me a necklace ?
Enthusiasm is great. But don't you agree, he should be showing people hwo to make jewellery when he clearly has no idea what hes doing. He is making us look bad.
Доброго времени суток!
Не знаю, какие цели вы преследуете, но то что вы сделали - это не ювелирное украшение.
Удачи
Это не изделия а мусор просто ужас нахрен а токое выкладывать
Я такого цирка ещё не видел.ВЫВОД:надо бить по рукам,что бы других не учил.
Bravo mate- looks good! Just 2 bits to maybe consider: 1- when re-melting scrap sterling- add a bit of fresh metal or fine silver- re-melts can be dodgy and porous and fiddly due to remelting numerous times. Second- when you solder the chain- support both ends of the chain- just lay it out on the block and use the tweezers to lift the link youre working on... when the link you are soldering gets red in the video- the weight of the chain itself works against you and pulls the joint open whilst soft under heat... no bueno amigo- BUT- as I said- good job in the end!
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I LOVED this video!!! Thank you for sharing!! Even the links that broke!! Very helpful!!!
Chain links are a pain in the........
Very nicely done 👍 I need to give this a try.
That was pretty cool I'll be honest at first when you was having problems I thought that things going to look like crap but when it was finished it looked really really good professional great video
Just made my first curb link as well over the last 2 weeks and it's so funny watching this video (I literally finished polishing yesterday actually) because it's almost exactly how my experience went 😂😂😂😂
What would you recommend as far as tools or materials for a diy?
@@pierreramos8018 for your tools, I'd start with
#1 a bench pin( the wooden piece he cut the loops on.
#2 a sturdy vise
#3 a decent jewelers saw.
#4 either metal or wooden dowels to coil up your wire. In multiple sizes/diameter.
#5 some pliers, preferably non marring (no teeth).
#6 some files, to smooth out your material
#7 a good torch. Most micro torches will work out ok to melt solder.
#8 lastly is an assortment of solder types.
( There's soft, medium, and Hard, and others inbetween) hard would work best if twisting the chain.
I hope I gave ya enough of the basics for ya, if ya want to try.
Love seeing videos of people making their own shit. I built my own pc from 0 experience and just youtube videos. I just wish i had all the tools in this video, and some silver bars to melt down and make my own jewelry too
Go to good will and buy some sterling silver spoons forks and melt them down
Get a drill and wind that silver wire around a mandrel. You make it look so difficult.
Good man 👍 just don't like silver.
Fair enough, maybe one day Ill make one in gold
I liked you are brave, but your bracelet will turn like crazy spiral. I like you attitude but be sure to teach something good
You prolly know this, but get your self an ingot mould, a rolling mill and a draw plate then you can make your own wire at what ever dimension you desire, even those rods you made previously would have been fine just would have had a little more waste then one would want but that’s cool you can just that for your next project... keep at it though practice makes perfect and mistakes teach you, also I find it helps if you file the area that you are gonna solder, then add your flux and solder cause the solder flows better on a cleaner surface
Yeah,I still need to get kitted out with rolling mill and such like, got some draw plates but a mill would be nice XD
I heard silver does not cure well in a ingot mold 🤔 that it reacts with oxygen as it is cooling but I am not to sure so do not want to asume it is true...
@@Drod951 100% false
The soldering wasnt great, and you failed to aneal the piece prior to the twist that is what caused the failures in the links, that being said for a first go it was ok in the end.
what is this word "aneal" and what does it mean?
It is "anneal" it means softning the metal by heating it up then immediately cooling in water, thereby increasing its malliability and making it easier to bend . By doing it the way he did, it was already work hardened and a break was inevitable.
@@jasonsummit1885 thank you for the explanation!
Jason Summit the quench is not a critical part of anealing non-ferrous metal. It’s just that you can quench it, unlike steel.
It’s attitude like that that is causing the craft to slowly die. Awesome work despite no formal training it’s a beautiful experience to learn as you go.
Great video. Iv come across your video a few times and actually tried it my self but with some other metal not silver. I got the concept correct up to twisting the links but I don't have the equipment to solder the links shut so they started distorting. You make it look easy and clear instructions without instructions keep it up. I will check out your other vids now. Cheers from uk
Theres a lot of free information online to spare you the wasted time and energy..I’ve been teaching myself to create silver jewelry too- but spend a lot of time watching others do it, unlike you, I’m an old woman and don’t have energy to reinvent the wheel (did that with painting in my youth) . Great job though! (Hard Silver solder is what you need)
Thank you and thankful I have a little spare time to muck a round with
If you want to learn. I can give you some tips and show you on the video how to do what you are trying to do! For example, look at my desktop when I'm working. Starting from the simplest locksmith techniques to soldering with a torch. ua-cam.com/video/GVK-kv4CBFs/v-deo.html I can show you some simpler chains with which you can start working for a novice student. This chain is difficult to manufacture
Still the Best Filipino workmanship YARING PLATERO.
You're bending it the wrong way, always to the right not the left. Doing it right so it doesn't twist..
As an beginner hobbyist jeweller, I really like to watch different styles of making these chains. You did things differently than I would have done and thats interesting to me. One question tho, did you use any flux when soldering? To me it looked like you didn't...
I used borax
One last thing, I use a drill to make the coils. it makes the coil nice and even, place your mandrel/spindle in the drill and slide your wire past one of the drill jaws and set your drill to a very slow speed and then slowly hold the trigger and go at a nice slow pace and when your done you’ll have a nice even coil and get the most out of your wire... hope that helps and good luck on future projects
Thanks for the advice friend :)
FunWithFire ~ Or put a small bit of the wire & bind it to an end of the mandrel w/a vice-grip. Then take the other end of the mandrel or rod & lock it into a clamp/vice. Begin taking it around by hand, almost overlapping the preceding ring you’ve just wrapped for a tight roll. Release & snip off lil’ bit of excess wire, then saw links off. We used masking tape ii school to hold links together while cutting, but is obviously not necessary.
- God bless
Well done! A fantastic effort. It looks really good. I've realised just how much work goes into jewellery since starting to have a go myself. It's given me real appreciation of jewellery designs and the cost.
Looks great! just for sake of interest, what solder did you use? Just for sake of interest, I made a 1.2mm bracelet a while back and used medium silver solder, didn't have issues with snapping when i twisted and pulled it. Please keep the videos coming!
I too used medium here, would definitely use hard next time
Always use hard guys..!✌️
How much silver did you use?
If you was to sell this piece what would you charge a costumer?
Why no flux? Hard to get a proper joint without. You could have been successful with your larger wire gauge and hard silver solder
How did you learn to do this stuff. Because I want to start to learn this too.
UA-cam and trial and error
How is doing A project at school and is watching this video to learn
Good on you bro , got there in the end and it looks good as
But of course you did a great job
Squeeze the normal soldered chain between two thick hard plastic plates to achieve the twist..?..
They have a tool that turns the silver mold into wire so you don't have solder a bunch of little pieces together to make a wire
What solder did you end up using? I got some sac305 on hand but dunno if I'm gonna end up having to upgrade
So the three grades I'm familiar with are easy, medium and hard. This was medium but would use hard next time
@@natecharleswatches I would recommend hard solder for links as thick as you are working with. Just to save yourself from multiple breakages. Well done you on the result though!
A handy thing for making jump rings is if you make yourself a rotating jig which spools the wire around a rod similar to this one www.cooksongold.com/Jewellery-Tools/Durston-Jump-Ring-Maker-Pro-2-prcode-999-7164&query=jump%20ring%20maker&channel=uk.
It'll get you identical links with much less effort and your skill set seems more than capable of making one.
Keep it up!
Do all jewellery chains have solder on them then?
That’s dope. Heck of a job, you didn’t quit.
Thanks man, got there in the end XD
Brother I have mastered the technique of twisting wire like that all you need is a rode of steel And then you drill a hole down at the base slide your wire through put it in a drill chuck turn that drill on and start twisting that wire and it comes out perfect
sounds good but i don't understand. Drill a hole in the rode, put one end into the hole. the hole goes into the bottom of the rod?
Que técnica no muy buena pierdes mucho tiempo de demasiado diría yo ...
I absolutely love all the messages of support!!
Una forma muy torpe de hacer una cadena
I got a gold 1
Terrible,tu no eres joyero pero lo que si reconozco es la tenacidad
Hi sir, Good effort but you should take pure silver and 85+10+5 ratio (silver,zink, copper)of soldering materia then it will work properly.myself also an Indian gold smith.
Cool video! you can use old baked bean tins, fill with sand, to make a longer ingot 😊
Also, you can aneal the metal during the twisting process, this should stop the links breaking 😊
You could of just cast 1 longer rod at the start instead of making several little ones 🤦♂️
Because the mold itself is only 2-3 inches deep XD
Time to make/buy a bigger mold
Indeed
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Could have poured it horizontal instead of vertical. lay out some sand make depression with a pencil in the horizontal and pour.
Hey man, I’m having trouble with soldering my links, my solder keeps beading, I can’t tel if it’s my solder or flux. Any chance you could link me to the stuff you’re using? Would be Much appreciated!!
I get all the majority of my stuff from here- www.cooksongold.com/
I always thought that you use the same material to fuse both ends together that you are working with so in this case I thought you are supposed to use tiny bits of silver?
More than likely u ain't got the temperature high enough.. The two sides of the metal u are bridging with solder need to be the excact same temperature, precisely. It's not the solder. Just stick with it.. It's a hard thing to perfect. Takes times to learn when conditions are perfect. Also use emery paper to clean the silver surfaces befor u apply Flux, an add Flux to the piece of solder too or it won't run as well! Most people forget one of these steps, they all important.. Any more questions let me know I know u will have better luck if u do these steps
@@NowWeEats nope, silver solder.. Platinum u would use platinum to solder/Fuze. Silver solder comes in 3-4 strengths, a each has a slightly lower percentage of silver.. Hope that helps
ken dalton thank you for that information. would gold be the same way?
Que bueno pero eso yo estaba aprendiendo mucho años
Crafting at it's finest! Thanks for sharing!
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Because you didnt solder it properly. You need to make it right. When solder any joint together is must be clean,you then must make sure the joint meet up flush and tight. If you dont do that then you will have a very week solder joint.
Also withering bigger links if you would have annealed it, you would have been able to bend each ink easily
I don't want to sound mean or anything... But I'm a tig welder and I weld 5356 aluminum everyday and I could easily see that you were not fusing that metal together correctly whatsoever. That was not the solders fault at all, you just have absolutely no clue how to do it. You need to melt the metal together at that point until it fuses together as one. You were basically putting on hot glue. Your metal was not fused together at all which is why it failed so badly when you bent it. Technically the weld is stronger than the rest of the base metal, so it should have no problem bending... (it's called a bend test in welding)
The solder connections in jewellery are similar to brazing with aluminum (I think that's the term but I'm no welder). So yeah it is a kind of glue, and a welding machine for jewellery could be in excess of £1500, so this is all I can do for now XD
Difference between welding and soldering is that when soldering, you are not melting the metals together, only the solder melts. Solder is basically a glue between soldered surfaces. When the solder properly melts on clean surfaces, it should be strong enough to hold when bending.
Need to use stronger solder for this thickness, medium just wasn't cutting it
It’s not that the solder isn’t strong I use easy solder when making curb chains and they don’t break, the easy, medium and hard just defines the melting temperature of the solder, try using easy solder it melts at a lower temperature, and you need flux for your solder joints to prevent oxidation
@@natecharleswatches dam
Does your chain hold the curb when you take it out of the vice?.. everytime I do it it never holds.. wonder if you had any tips
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Aneal and flux
Now you know too roll out the metal instead
Yep XD
Hay so really dumb question but did you use half hard or dead soft in this video because I dont have a rolling press or anything like that and would .999 or 925 be better do you think for this
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8.28 there you go again, soldering links and then sawing them open again. It’s a total waste of time and effort. This is the simplest jewelry project, and the first thing any student learns. You solder ½ the rings beforehand. Assemble the entire chain and solder the remaining ½ all in one go. Simple. And if you’re making it into a curb chain then you don’t use engineer pliers on it and cover it with dents, which you then have to spend ages removing. You have a lot of learning to do. Youve bought a Dremel and you think you're a jeweler. Sorry - you aren’t.!
Dude can I buy one
awsome
Thanks :)
I absolutely love to see new notifications for your videos. The chain, like everything else you make turned out wonderful. I too had the same problem with the links snapping. I ended up using fine silver for the links and just fusing them. I started out fusing most the links, then connecting them with unfused open links and then just fusing the few links closed and it turned out to be super strong. However, for the clasps I used sterling silver to have more strength for the clasps.
Aside from the occasional break, making the chain wasn't too bad. Will definitely be making either a bracelet or necklace
This helped me to Clealry see and understand the difference between these and the miami cuban link chain. Thx
I would have put it between some blocks of wood and closed them in a vice to get the twists then filed the faces
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soldering wire sections that will need annealing and then links "soldered" together, will be more trouble than its worth. If you must start with sections, weld the sections together.
That's how I made my links when making chain mail . Only difference is 4 links in 1 link, ect
Amazing job, would've looked nicer if you filed the surface down after finished but good job
What is weight of this bracelet
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I think I watched every youtube video while locked down due to the Corona virus.. SMH
goddamn, stay safe man
@@natecharleswatches yeah I watched your video thinking while I'm in lockdown i would watch your video and order some supplies on amazon and make jewelry but it's way to hard to do. Thanks for the upload it was fun to watch. Stay safe during this crazy time
@@4uafunguy its honestly not hard to do for a simple chain, you just have to have patience. That is key. I've learned all I know from UA-cam, (last 2 years) and I'm just starting to do chains. I make casted silver rings for friends and family... if ya have basic jewelers equipment (pliers, saw and a torch) it can be done with little effort.
make your own solder metal ..... i can help you out to make it very cheap very simple ,
What u have put on solider
Your soldering technique was crap!!! Why it all broke!
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
You need a rolling mill...
Agreed
Looked like a flux issue
The fake silver chain would cost 6,00€ In Europe In usa i dont know the real chain would cost 50.00€
Where's the fun in that?
I wanna do this 💯
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Very very bad job
Love your work!
Thank you man, I appreciate it :)
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Hi do you use medium silver solder?
Can't remember precisely but got a feeling it was easy solder...yeah bad call XD
Whats the thickness and width you have on the rings? :)
So the wire is 2mm thick, and the links are between 0.8-.0.9mm in width
Where did you buy the silver wire ?
Anadi
I'm thinking that with a rolling mill the cast wire could have worked, but oh well you didn't need it. Great job on your first try.👍
Draw plates may be faster/more efficient than the mill