Would removing Kameo Hit Stun Solve most of this issues? So cameos can do damage and extend hitstun if you are already comboing, but cannot make unsafe moves safe.
I feel like jax”s ground pound is made for that too. even though it knocks both players down. seems like itll atleast reset certain pressure situations. but i think both take damage though? not too sure.
That seems to be the goal, they're just highlighting the ones that deal with combos to highlight this game giving players freedom but they have said they want Kameos to cover as many archetypes as possible. There will be plenty of zoning and defensive Kameos
then you're giving up the broken bullshit that comes with offensive assists. You won't be able to keep up offensively. Its the reason why block breakers weren't used in MKX. Giving up all the offensive resources to get people off of you left you with nothing on offense.
You’ve definitely got the best version of Sub Zero. I must admit I’m not too keen on the Kitane stuff but this? I watched it all the way through. Evil Sub Zero is the best sub zero
I finally understand the Kano kameo vision. I used to to think he was a tad slow but nah hes perfect speed. Any character that can put something out on screen gonna be in heaven with the kano kameo
This is the only over the top version of Sub we've had since MK9 release with enhanced ground freeze. Everything else has been tame in comparison to the rest of the cast.
@@AF0xyGrampa You can't consider mk11 sub to be "over the top". Competitive, sure, but he's not doing anything crazy. With meter, he's got a 50/50 combo extender lol
Kano ball acts like a batarang. This is going to be insane for pressure with some characters. Imagine a mix god like Black Canary or flash with with a Kano ball assist to stay safe.
Like frfr. That was like a yr2 type of combo. Not something I'd expect in a stress test. That was the most skilled combo I've seen out of anyone so far Whoever that was playing is a monster.
He has no true plus frames from what I gather. Just like how he had 'pseudo'-plus frames in MKX, he will rely heavily on the assist character for plus frames. Foxy demonstrated that pretty well over here. He has a great mid though
People complain about my boy sub ,but kenshi and kang way stronger. Going to get him nerfed into C tier again like MK9. His ice klone in Mk9 though was stronger than in MKX or here in Mk1. It got mega nerfed in MK1 it disappears so quickly.
@@SID-ZERO you must have not seen ninjakilla or UA-camr Super play him. The characters potential is insane! he is good at all ranges because his zone game and close quarters are both really good..and not to mention like Kenshi he can get 50% combo except unlike Kenshi it is easier and without using fatal blow or anything.
@@BattleBrotherCasten he has 5 highs. And except zonin nothin special he has. Subzero has mix in this game too. And ask sonicfox or anyone they will all agree subzero is stronger than kenshi and liu kang nowhere close to him. Even ninja said he will keep liu as a pocket character he isnt that good so thsts why he is playin johhny
@@AF0xyGrampa People complain about my boy sub ,but kenshi and kang way stronger. Going to get him nerfed into C tier again like MK9. Is that your plan? people need to stop calling a character broken when the game isnt even out yet with its full rosters.
@Foxygrandpa what are lui kang tools/options to get around the ice clone? I'm a lui kang main and was wondering what can I do to at least get some momentum?
Ex bicycle kick punishes clone cancel on block, think it loses to ex clone cancel. So if he does f12 and doesn’t clone, then you can punish with whatever Lius 6f high was. I don’t think the mindgame is in Lius favour tbh. I’d just clone every time and force you to either spend the bar or hold the next layer of offense.
I'm just a casual player after high-school because life obligations and its so disheartening that i find no joy playing online because everyone is so damn good. Yall know all sorts of things that i have no idea what yall are talking about. I haven't checked yet but i hope online you can get paired up with people around your skill level.
Hey foxy do you know the frame data on the sub zero overhead? The in game data says like 24 frames but I think that might be on the second hit, cuz if the first hit was 24 frames idk if it would ever land
Ok so I want to know is why people complaining about Sub-zero all the time when he is one of the og’s of MK like he’s not gonna be broken, they slowed down the ice ball even when it’s amplified YALL GOOD 👍🏽
So sub can no longer into ice ball normally, but scorpion can combo into spear meterlessly and do like 40% midscreen for one bar. Kenshi gets even more meterlessly midscreen and Liu Kang also gets insane damage with a 6 frame punish. Multiple characters can just simply D4 him when he goes into ice clone every time, interrupting him. Sub will spend 2 bars and a cameo and not even break 40%, but please... Tell me how he's broken... I think people just straight up hate on this character too much for bad experiences in past games. Using a cameo to keep stuff safe is not a "subzero" thing, that's literally anyone bro. Liu Kang has an unblockable setup in the corner with Jax that straight up breaks the game.
They always give him that oppressive 50/50 slide / overhead mixup which instantly makes him hard to deal with... In this one it seems like they have gone further and just given him everything... dunno why they bothered putting in any other characters really...
They couldnt balance variations so they went for a fucking assists. Maybe this is very old built but if that not he case with so many assists there might be not enough fans for the shit to hit. There is a reason why Injustice was a overall good game - because it was Legacy. With these Kameos the game may require longer support than any previous tittle. But for the sake of us, I hope I am wrong and this is an old built and things will be different.
This is just fun gameplay. At least it's not MK11 with most neutered and everyone watered down. MK11 was beyond boring and dull because of so many complaining about interesting tools. Would you rather have mixups be boring hit/throw mix or would you rather MK1 be like MK9/MKX with multiple veriety of mixups. MK1 has mild HTBs but doesn't have what MKX had with crazy pressure and hard to blockages that's low, overhead, low, low/low, overhead, overhead, low/overhead, low, overhead low that Tekada and Quan had. Besides MK1 has 2 frame HTB protection. If someone makes a low and overhead hit within 2 frames of each other the opponent auto blocks the second hit as long as they block the first hit.
@@AF0xyGrampa awesome, had a feeling that was the case, just thought off the knock out animation that there would be a slight frame where you could if timed perfectly but good to know that it is possible with the ex regardless
Every subzero is broken because ed boon is scorpion and John Tobias has always been subzero from the start. There is a universal gate in midway for Sub zero and it needs to stop. Sub zero has no get cancel and it's fucking annoying!
@thewhitewolf2096 I doubt they will. Like I said, it'll take strategy n understanding to stack up wins in this game coz it's not going to favor mashing n spamming
They need to slow down recovery for kameos by a shit ton that way you can still have this pressure as an option but not constantly trapping them that’s just bullshit because what are you supposed to do? It’ll be mkx all over again if they dont
So the game is very balanced ..because every character is Broken
Mk9 again? 🧐
fuck a balance son, balance = boring game like mk11
that's what makes a game fun again, balance in chaos
Just about to say😂 seems like every character has there advantages
Would removing Kameo Hit Stun Solve most of this issues? So cameos can do damage and extend hitstun if you are already comboing, but cannot make unsafe moves safe.
They weren't kidding when they said we're gonna have a lot of options in this game. Also Goro at the buttom left 😭
Sikander origins
MK1 Sub Zero makes MK11 Subzero look like Original MK1 Subzero 😂 this game is insane
Lmfao.,
lmao
This is a breath of fresh air compared to the amount of Kenshin and Liu Kang that I've seen. So I don't mind the "broken/cheesy" stuff lol
We obviously couldn’t lab the game yet to learn defense. But even so, Im hoping some kameos give you defensive options to handle all that offense.
I feel like jax”s ground pound is made for that too. even though it knocks both players down. seems like itll atleast reset certain pressure situations. but i think both take damage though? not too sure.
@@antione4543 Yes, both take damage from it
That seems to be the goal, they're just highlighting the ones that deal with combos to highlight this game giving players freedom but they have said they want Kameos to cover as many archetypes as possible. There will be plenty of zoning and defensive Kameos
it'd help if the opponents actually used them first
then you're giving up the broken bullshit that comes with offensive assists. You won't be able to keep up offensively. Its the reason why block breakers weren't used in MKX. Giving up all the offensive resources to get people off of you left you with nothing on offense.
It's crazy how much you have to respect sub at every moment hold block
Damn, Sub is cooking fr😂
I appreciate the Sub video! It's nice to see all the different versions of Sub for this game!
This dude trying to get sub nerfed into C tier
You’ve definitely got the best version of Sub Zero. I must admit I’m not too keen on the Kitane stuff but this? I watched it all the way through. Evil Sub Zero is the best sub zero
Damn... def coming back to this video when the game comes out! Sub Zero main since real MK1!
The entrapment that you can do with ice clone in the corner is crazy.
You'de think with all this crazy offense, there would be a block mechanic to push people away for bar.
Honestly wouldn't be a bad feature to implement, obviously there's flawless block and up block but having a reflect mechanic would be pretty good
Push block was built in injustice. I'm confused why mk does not have it lol
0:34 The MK11 effect 😅
I finally understand the Kano kameo vision. I used to to think he was a tad slow but nah hes perfect speed. Any character that can put something out on screen gonna be in heaven with the kano kameo
This did not age well😂😂😂
This is the only over the top version of Sub we've had since MK9 release with enhanced ground freeze. Everything else has been tame in comparison to the rest of the cast.
MK11 Sub Zero wants a word 👌🏾
@@AF0xyGrampa You can't consider mk11 sub to be "over the top". Competitive, sure, but he's not doing anything crazy. With meter, he's got a 50/50 combo extender lol
I love the ad-libs that you add.
Its not sub that is broken. Its kane
At this point community is calling every character available to test right now broken
And Ironically the character they call the weakest (Kitana) has an unblockable infinite which, makes her the *only* broken character currently.
@@SeanBjerkeand she has a trap like subzeros grab into clone. Just grab into the fan lift set up 😂
Good shit as always F0xy -
Bi-Han's personality in this is going to be savage.
Peak foxy content, I really like this it’s very informative and in depth
the title says it all! thank you!
Nice to know grab into ice clone is back
The great foxy always find a way
The first year of MK1 is gonna be tough
Always foxy with the filthy tech lmao
Foxy Grandpa: Sub Zero Overpowered
Johny Cage : 👀🖕
Loving your little toasty explanations good shit foxy
“Get the brutality every time” that’s what I love to hear. Too many UA-camrs don’t want to it or fatality cause it gets the demonetized
So do they demonetize the other fatalities?
Yesss reminds me of MkX subzero, now that corner game was madness
Because Bi-Han is a monster
Kano ball acts like a batarang. This is going to be insane for pressure with some characters. Imagine a mix god like Black Canary or flash with with a Kano ball assist to stay safe.
In the corner with Subzero Scorpion is your best bet to get out of it lol
My boy, this game looks so good. I'm very hyped to play the pre-order beta tomorrow
that guy just wasnt blocking. But grab into clone was bs lol
Yessss yesss😂😂😂 foxy the best😂😂😂 king of trolling 😂
You say sub is broken. Based off this footage that may be the biggest understatement of 2023!
Time is relevant. Slow play fast time, fast play slow time
So far Sikander555's combos is the most interesting for mk1 SubZero
Yeah but foxy is hitting a mid screen 1 bar 38%
@@parkeremerson244 sik did 52%+ combos in his channel
side switch combo on 5:15 SHEEEESH
Like frfr. That was like a yr2 type of combo. Not something I'd expect in a stress test. That was the most skilled combo I've seen out of anyone so far Whoever that was playing is a monster.
@@guacman88 yeah that was some 2000IQ stuff. and without lab time as well. CRAZY
Yeeeeep Foxy done it again lmmao.
Bro when I saw that grab into clone return I said “damn, my favorite character is unfair AGAIN” I feel so good but so ashamed😂💀😭
Don’t lie you sub zero players have ZERO shame lmao
New players are going to uninstall the game immediately 😂
Nice breakdown foxy, u gotta make sure no one has fun in this game
I know things can change but how were sub's frame data on his normals were they at least better than his old ones in mkx
He has no true plus frames from what I gather. Just like how he had 'pseudo'-plus frames in MKX, he will rely heavily on the assist character for plus frames. Foxy demonstrated that pretty well over here.
He has a great mid though
24F overhead from what I’ve gathered
@@AndyOtami think its 39 frames
Bro that was me at the beginning Dayuumm 💀
He better be Broken . He ain’t no soft ass Kaui Liang , this is the Original Don Bi Han
And you wonder why he died
AS a johnny main, this gives me Flashbacks to MKX and the Nightmare of Ice Clone
People complain about my boy sub ,but kenshi and kang way stronger. Going to get him nerfed into C tier again like MK9. His ice klone in Mk9 though was stronger than in MKX or here in Mk1. It got mega nerfed in MK1 it disappears so quickly.
@@BattleBrotherCastenkang is bullshit in. Mk1 he has 5 highs that dont make sense he is worst in mk1
@@SID-ZERO you must have not seen ninjakilla or UA-camr Super play him. The characters potential is insane! he is good at all ranges because his zone game and close quarters are both really good..and not to mention like Kenshi he can get 50% combo except unlike Kenshi it is easier and without using fatal blow or anything.
@@BattleBrotherCasten he has 5 highs. And except zonin nothin special he has. Subzero has mix in this game too. And ask sonicfox or anyone they will all agree subzero is stronger than kenshi and liu kang nowhere close to him. Even ninja said he will keep liu as a pocket character he isnt that good so thsts why he is playin johhny
@@SID-ZERO Wait until the first real tournament. Sub won't win a single tourny. Stop bitching holy shit.
Enjoying your videos
Ay your Sub Zero a demon you earned a new sub
Divekick always needs to be unsafe. That’s the first change I would make
The overhead is 24 frames. Extremely reactable, even online
Doesn't matter that its reactable if its + though, it becomes a reaction test with a mixup after it, people will still get hit.
@AF0xyGrampa oh I don't disagree, it's still nasty. All I'm saying is it's not a complete guess the way it is online in mk11.
@@AF0xyGrampa People complain about my boy sub ,but kenshi and kang way stronger. Going to get him nerfed into C tier again like MK9. Is that your plan? people need to stop calling a character broken when the game isnt even out yet with its full rosters.
@Foxygrandpa what are lui kang tools/options to get around the ice clone? I'm a lui kang main and was wondering what can I do to at least get some momentum?
Ex bicycle kick punishes clone cancel on block, think it loses to ex clone cancel.
So if he does f12 and doesn’t clone, then you can punish with whatever Lius 6f high was.
I don’t think the mindgame is in Lius favour tbh. I’d just clone every time and force you to either spend the bar or hold the next layer of offense.
I'm just a casual player after high-school because life obligations and its so disheartening that i find no joy playing online because everyone is so damn good. Yall know all sorts of things that i have no idea what yall are talking about. I haven't checked yet but i hope online you can get paired up with people around your skill level.
Hey foxy do you know the frame data on the sub zero overhead? The in game data says like 24 frames but I think that might be on the second hit, cuz if the first hit was 24 frames idk if it would ever land
First gameplay that makes me want to preorder already this game is going to be a barrier for many
NRS has assigned Sub-Zero the official baby braindead character that requires no skill to win title in every game since MKX.
Ok so I want to know is why people complaining about Sub-zero all the time when he is one of the og’s of MK like he’s not gonna be broken, they slowed down the ice ball even when it’s amplified YALL GOOD 👍🏽
Can’t wait to play him.
So sub can no longer into ice ball normally, but scorpion can combo into spear meterlessly and do like 40% midscreen for one bar. Kenshi gets even more meterlessly midscreen and Liu Kang also gets insane damage with a 6 frame punish. Multiple characters can just simply D4 him when he goes into ice clone every time, interrupting him. Sub will spend 2 bars and a cameo and not even break 40%, but please... Tell me how he's broken...
I think people just straight up hate on this character too much for bad experiences in past games. Using a cameo to keep stuff safe is not a "subzero" thing, that's literally anyone bro. Liu Kang has an unblockable setup in the corner with Jax that straight up breaks the game.
I hope you win evo next year 💪🏼
I cant wait to see Foxy troll them whit that clone into Grab ... Good shit mate :)))
Everytime he throws that ice slide scorpion can def teleport and punish that spam move lol…
maybe they should make it so ice clones dont work in the corner
Tom Brady would be proud
Its about time that someone finally told the truth....lol Subzero braindead asf...lol
They always give him that oppressive 50/50 slide / overhead mixup which instantly makes him hard to deal with... In this one it seems like they have gone further and just given him everything... dunno why they bothered putting in any other characters really...
Excuses already
Excuses for what? I was the one destroying everyone 💀
I’m being funny because the title 😂
I got smoked by my own title
@@AF0xyGrampa 😂
Evil Sub-zero IS the superior Sub-zero. 100% agree
Anyone know if Koisy and F0xy have played each other with Kitana?
Nah that’s never happened up to this point mate 👊🏾
Did you guys know...Liu with kung lao kameo can a full combo out of the grab!!!
Bring back NJP
They couldnt balance variations so they went for a fucking assists. Maybe this is very old built but if that not he case with so many assists there might be not enough fans for the shit to hit. There is a reason why Injustice was a overall good game - because it was Legacy. With these Kameos the game may require longer support than any previous tittle. But for the sake of us, I hope I am wrong and this is an old built and things will be different.
Can kitana use a meter bars to power through the ice clone w a advanced move?
he is one of Boon's kids
holy shit ur the goat bro
This is just fun gameplay. At least it's not MK11 with most neutered and everyone watered down.
MK11 was beyond boring and dull because of so many complaining about interesting tools.
Would you rather have mixups be boring hit/throw mix or would you rather MK1 be like MK9/MKX with multiple veriety of mixups.
MK1 has mild HTBs but doesn't have what MKX had with crazy pressure and hard to blockages that's low, overhead, low, low/low, overhead, overhead, low/overhead, low, overhead low that Tekada and Quan had.
Besides MK1 has 2 frame HTB protection. If someone makes a low and overhead hit within 2 frames of each other the opponent auto blocks the second hit as long as they block the first hit.
Wish they would’ve brought back the run button. Why do you have to dash so much to get closer? Game must have a very slow speed/pace
Hmm curious, could you potentially do the knife toss assist during the slide to potentially get an extension after the ender
Nah, because it'll knock both players out of the animation, it works with ex slide though since you dont have that animation
@@AF0xyGrampa awesome, had a feeling that was the case, just thought off the knock out animation that there would be a slight frame where you could if timed perfectly but good to know that it is possible with the ex regardless
Will be cool to see if over time depending on kameos and changes if there will be ways to make it possible
Why does his shield break outro keep messing up like that 😂
How can you deal with this 50 50
Why the hell does Sub have a spammable launcher? Looks absolutely ridiculous. xD
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Sub Zero = 🐐
Im pretty sure Kitana is going to get all the nerfs day 1 and Sub is going to stay intact!
Yup, another MK11 situation. So sad
@@Kuromichi08 yupp!!!
I hope there’s a reptile somewhere n a ermac
He’s not a broken he’s strong !!!
Every subzero is broken because ed boon is scorpion and John Tobias has always been subzero from the start. There is a universal gate in midway for Sub zero and it needs to stop. Sub zero has no get cancel and it's fucking annoying!
Have u played sonic fox yet
A teleport character will handle sub easily. When he does the ic clone, just teleport with assist and u take the urn back easily
People complain about my boy sub ,but kenshi and kang way stronger. Going to get him nerfed into C tier again like MK9
@thewhitewolf2096 I doubt they will. Like I said, it'll take strategy n understanding to stack up wins in this game coz it's not going to favor mashing n spamming
nice one.
Just noticed the kameos can be off screen but stay active😮.
I am pretty much sure Scorpion is gonna be underpowered AGAIN compared to Sub
They need to slow down recovery for kameos by a shit ton that way you can still have this pressure as an option but not constantly trapping them that’s just bullshit because what are you supposed to do? It’ll be mkx all over again if they dont
OMG! People will hate sub-zero
Oh god, that’s genuinely the last thing I ever want to hear about this new game. So far this gameplay seems preferable to mk11 sub imo.
😂😂😂 loved this one
Why does the d2 brutality look so bad lol
I hope Noob Saibot is in the roster
Yo Foxy, did you play halo 3 also?
Yea, back in the day