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Leslie Mahaffy was a 14yo girl who got kidnapped, held captive for 3 days and eventually killed by her kidnappers in the early 90s because her parents did the same thing to her. One of the things that bothered me the most about her parents locking her out was that she was actually attending a wake for a friend, and was only out that late because she was spending time with friends for emotional support. The point of a curfew should be to ensure your child is safe at home, not a pointless exercise of control.
Bro, that’s actually terrible to hear. Stuff like this is horrible and parents need to have the emotional maturity to have and handle kids without abusing them.
@DramatiDaze177 yep, they were a couple known as the ken and barbie killers and you can find a couple true crime videos about them, as they were indeed caught. Unfortunately Leslie was not their only victim.
@DramatiDaze177 you are unfortunately correct. She struck a deal in court and only had to serve 12 years, she completed her sentence in 2005 at the age of 35. She's since changed her name and had children. The press ARE keeping tabs on her so she hasn't been able to vanish like she probably hoped to. One of the most upsetting things is that she'd been able to volunteer at her children's school prior to being found again. I hope the best for her children, they're gonna have to live with the knowledge that their mother is a monster.
There were a few questionable morals in this new Proud Family but this was the worst. The whole episode i kept thinking "surely they're not going to justify this" but then it ended. Horrible.
The new Proud Family? This just feels like par for the course for the series. It was written as a boomer sitcom for kids and it feels like its still written as a boomer sitcom for young adults approaching middle age who dont want to hang on to their child hood. I wouldnt even say new id just say the proud family
Nah remember that one wishing episode where Penny’s siblings grew older? That episode made me so mad like literally broke my heart. And the fact that it just ended as a “be careful what you wish for” sort of sentiment also made me so mad.
@@nochenight4716That episode pissed me the fuck off! The double standards that was happening to Penny was fucking horrible!! She did not deserve that at all!
"I'm doing this because I love you" is why so many kids who grew up in abusive households get into abusive relationships as adults. That's not love. If someone who says they love you is physically harming you, that's not love. You deserve better. You deserve to be safe.
The fact that my parents said that after hitting me really broke me down. In their logic, if I hit my parents back in anger, that means I love them. I never understood that. Child abuse is NOT okay in any way. Just because you were raised like it doesn’t mean it’s fine.
What's absolutely vile is, abusive parents will lock their kid out, and then call the police on whomever takes their kid in. If another adult had rescued Penny, there's no doubt in my mind Trudy would've accused them of kidnapping and pressed charges. What's funny is that Trudy locking Penny out like this is literally child endangerment and i genuinely wish someone had called the cops. This is a straight up DANGEROUS message to push to kids.
Bro once I was thrown out of my house at 10pm bcz I didn't eat food and it was winter night plus my place is near the forest so tigers and monkeys meh lol
can confirm lmao. my mother literally forced my thirteen year old self out the house at 10pm whilst she organised to have my bio father (who i literally barely even knew, and - apparently - has an extensive past of assault, abuse and statutory rape lmao) whisk me off to stay in another city. stole my phone and shit and left me w nothing but my cat's urn, so i had to go down and hang out at a friend's house for a little while - she came down to scream at my friend's mother and has been accusing her of kidnapping me since... even though i showed up on their doorstep (unannounced) at night, and willingly entered their home. then she had me forced into a car and taken to a whole other city lmfao. parents are fucking weird, weird shit goes on in their head's isd😭😭😭
Imagine being a parent and not caring for the wellbeing of the child you raised. Anyone who has experienced this type of extremity irl deserves to live happier.
You think she didn't care? This is what happens when you sit people in a corner too long and take away their precious things ....they no longer see love ...if its not literally put in their face. If they can't hold it, if it's not presented with a bow or in a box.....it's not real ....Amazon kids. How long did she stay up waiting for her daughter? How much fear and worry did that house experience while they didn't know if Penny would ever come home, or if she was somewhere hurt and they couldn't even help become they didn't know where she was. Only to realize she cause all this pain because she wanted to go to a party. Yet, you think Penny being locked out was the mess up part.
"You put yourself in danger! That's *my* right, not yours!". The only way this behaviour makes any sense is if the parents regard their children not as human beings with rights, but as property. Hell, we wouldn't even find treating a *dog* like this acceptable. "You ran away and came back? Well, I'm going to tie you in the yard with no food or water or shelter, because I'm mad and that makes being cruel and sadistic somehow justifiable!".
As someone who has gotten abused by a family member we no longer talk to or associate with, I can easily say that this is some bullshit. Tf was Disney thinking?!
They are a parasitic corporation, they lost their soul a long time ago, and adopted political greed as its lifeblood. When you start to harass a family for painting Winnie the Pooh on the walls of the room of a young girl, you know there's no coming back. I will encourage everyone to give Disney the boot and stop supporting them. Because, watching their shows or episodes will only encourage them to keep going.
It's so ironic that I'm watching this video, and my mom is literally perpetuating stereotypes and blowing up on me and hitting me when I'm in the shower. Man, I can't wait for college!
Its ok to go no contact with family. Dont let them control your life. And if its really bad, there are places you can go. Abuse isnt ok and you have options if you need them.
they will only be afraid if ur bad at parenting when it comes to hitting ur child a slap on the face is okay and it the best thing for ur kid when done the right way
@@Matthewz_Wsas long as you don’t leave a mark that will still be visible an hour later it’s fine. If you leave a mark they still have by the next day you’ve crossed the line from discipline to child abuse. If you do anything that puts the child at risk of death or any type of long term harm… is also abuse.
Between her "friends" mistreating her and taking her 4 granted, and her family abusing her, I would not be surprised if Penny becomes a bitter recluse who has cut ties with everyone.
@@marcydiaz6950at that point, I’m hoping the series ends with Penny growing up and studying to a career, so she can break that cycle and move away from that toxic place. Maybe her and Kareem can end up together
In the old cartoon I always wanted Penny to ditch LaCienega and Dijonnay, they were terrible. Zoey flaked out a lot with peer pressure but usually had more of a conscience and at least in the old series Michael was a total sweetheart who didn't judge or flake as much as the rest. Michael, Penny, and Zoey would've had so much less drama without Dijonnay and LaCienega.
It genuinely pisses me off so much that the episode says Trudy was in the right, and it just ends without her facing any sort of punishment for this. I lost one of my best friends to his parents locking him out over something small, so this touches a nerve for me.
@@funnylilfellaCanadian couple who were nicked named Barbie and Ken would go kidnap girls off the street and would do horrible things to them. They are truly disgusting pieces of trash.
Thank you pointing out it reinforces stereotypes of black families. When I told off a black mom for swearing at her child, I was told off for being a “white savior” and “ not understanding the culture”. Like, I’m sorry, when did child abuse become “ culture”?! As an add on, the mom was very threatening to the child, yelling at him to knock it off or he’ll get it when he gets home. I should have been smart and got someone else to step in, but I was impulsive. I don’t regret it, though. Things felt wrong and I couldn’t have lived with myself if I didn’t say something
That kind of thing really pisses me off. "Culture" schmulture. Human brains are human brains, emotions are emotions, and children are children. Skin color, hair texture and other physical characteristics do not somehow magically make some people immune to the effects of hurt, stress, trauma and abuse. You don't get to opt out of how human emotions and human brains work just because you feel loyalty to a problematic notion of "culture". Sorry. It's harmful to treat children this way. ALL children.
@@letb5569 you sure talk a lot for someone with nothing to say. screaming at your child and cussing at them is worse than putting them in time out for 5 minutes or taking their phone for a few days. If you can't get that, then you need to grow up.
@@letb5569They aren't whining about a cartoon, they are complaining thr mindset that the creators put into their work. If Trudy is being justified for putting her daughter's life at risk over a curfew, that means it's something the writers (the actual, real people) agree and promote. Cartoons don't happen magically, they're filled with the opinions and biases of whoever keeps them. These people clearly believe in a tactic that gets young kids, especially girls, killed and raped. Also hold on, taking a child's phone (which again, I also don't agree with) is too far , but screaming and cussing insults at them is "just talking.... I don't understand why you hate that.... I love my phone :(. I would rather tell a child that their.. existence is worthless and they... deserve to be hated and... reminded of how much I despise them.... than to take their phone..."
I'm SO GLAD that you pointed this out!!! My bff would be locked out of her house by her mom so much, my mom gave her a key to our house so she could just come in. She still knocked on the door when she was about to enter (the family knock so we knew it was her) and if I was up she slept in my room with me. If I was asleep she knew where the extra bedding was and just slept on the sofa bed. And the thing was, her mom never told her when she had to be home!!! So it was a guessing game she got wrong the majority of the time. Our senior year she basically lived with us. I was an only child then and it was just my mom and I so I welcomed the company. She moved the majority of her belongings into my house and she shared my room with me. We got along great! And her mom HATED my mom and me because we became a safe haven for her "demon child" as she called her. The girl was a better daughter to my mom than I was at times! She always helped around the house; she was always respectful and she never came home late because she knew what was expected from her by my mom!!! We're still friends 25yrs later. And she still considers my mom's house home. But she went through hell dealing with being locked outside for missing an unknown curfew.
Welp that mom failed at a lot of things. Failed at parenting, being a terrible mother and being the demon herself you might need salt to chase her away the streets she belongs and thou she never comes back for as long as she lives
@@selaniesanchez29 yes, she really is. She's amazing and I try to tell her that every day. And thank you. I just treat others how I want to be treated in return. Most of the time it works great! Others... it's a hit or miss. But it doesn't change how I treat someone else afterwards.
This happened to my friend. We’re Native American, not black, but the killing rate is just as high for native women. We had to go pick her up because her grandma locked her outside, she didn’t have anyone else to call because she had just moved there :/
From one native to another, this is ridiculous, I cannot believe that, where I am from we may have some problems in my family, but I can never imagine doing this to any of my nieces nephews or my own daughter, and I'm from the pine ridge reservation. You would think an elder would know better, but then again, probably a product of boarding school, and this is the kind of psychotic shit that they learned and internalize, and passed it on to the generations after them, which sadly included our parents and us.
@@librarianslivedoublelives he made everyone think it tho. He didn't want to go to their events so he made them think he was bad luck. He just wanted to not go to his sisters events and just chill. He didn't want to be forced to sleep outside or everyone hating on him
The fandom hates the episode i see most saying it was the worst episode of the show but it depends but the people who watch it actually realized how wrong was the episode
I was abused as a child and into my teenage years as well. My younger brother and I didn't have our dad in our lives, so our mom took it upon herself to be both mom and "dad", with the "dad" part being beating us over the smallest things and even finding the nearest thing she could beat us with in order to "toughen us up". One instance that sticks with me was when I made a joke about being a gentle hand in a rough house and my mom gave me a prolonged death glare before making me choose between sleeping on the porch or in the car. Bearing in mind we lived in an apartment complex in a terrible neighborhood. Fast forward to my adulthood, I was made my grandmother's caregiver against my will (she's an abuser as well, but since it was psychological, it was far more subtle) because I'm the only "go to" family member that doesn't work due to being disabled, yet I still took it upon myself to enroll in vocational rehabilitation before the bombshell was dropped on me without any consideration for my plans or disabilities. When I mentioned my coerced caregiver situation in another comment section, there were at least two people who pulled the "ThEy RaISeD yOu, So It'S yOuR oBlIGaTiOn" card instead of seeing that for the abuse that it was. There really are a lot of abuse apologists out here and they don't even realize it.
You were dealing with all of that, and having to go through VR, I am so sorry, dealing with VR alone is psychologically draining. I cannot imagine what you were dealing with through all of that.
Those people who think child abuse is okay from a family member are the same people that tell you to always trust and listen to your parents no matter what they do after hearing that family members are the most likely to rape or kidnap/murder someone.
You didn't ask to be born. It wasn't your choice, and you didn't get to pick who raised you. It is not your responsibility to take care of them - It was THEIR responsibility to care for you as a child, and it was THEIR decision to do so. Nobody gets to make demands of you simply for doing the (hardly) bare minimum in terms of responsibility. I hope you can get out of that situation, it's clear that those commenters forgot that a person's company is a privilege to be given, not a right that one can exercise.
Yeah. I mean what the hell? I mean I never saw the episode, I think, fully and just skipped through most of it. But watching this video is like making me think why the hell did Disney + approved this episode. If I was head of Disney + I would have canceled this episode. Then I canned the producer's ass for thinking that making a episode that is clearly about child abuse is okay.
@maplesyrup_productions Wait a minute, when we are talking about Timmy Turner's abuse, are we talking about abuse from his parents or from Vicky? Because of all of my childhood with Fairy Odd Parents, it was always Vicky doing the abuse, not his parents. Or was there an episode that I forgot about that had Timmy being abused by his parents?
@@fancreator_875 I could be wrong but I do hear there’s a theory that Timmy’s parents wanted a girl but were disappointed when they had him and supposedly that’s the reason he always wears pink
@lynnboartsdye1943 Oh. Believe it or not, I already know about his parents being disappointed that they got a boy instead of a girl. I watched the entire series as a child. I sort of stopped watching when Timmy had to share Cosmo and Wanda with Chloe, and the plot of those episodes didn't really stick out to me. You know what I mean?
I understand Trudy being angry at her daughter. Penny was insufferable this episode, but I also agree that Trudy went too far. Penny is 14. She’s gonna think that she’s grown, she’s gonna break rules, she’s gonna fight with her parents. All the hormones and uncontrollable emotions are gonna make her act out, but that doesn’t mean you should lock her out of her house. She coulda sat her down and had a conversation, try to understand why she’s doing what she’s doing. But they didn’t.
I wasn't being wild or trying to act adult in my teens because 1. My mom would get pissed and 2. I didn't need to. So it's understandable for Trudy to get angry and want to ground her, but she shouldn't lock her out.
Teenage "rebellion" because of being a teenager is a myth. Children or teens "breaking rules" or lying is caused usually by an mistrustful/punitive environment or attitude parents have towards their children. Children are autonomous beings and should be afforded autonomy over themselves and have their own boundaries respected. It's only logical for teens to "act out" because parents have lesser parental control over them once they're older. Unfortunately society still hold a generally disrespectful and negative view towards younger people.
@@Chingakyckaling Yeah I mean, obviously, not all teenagers have a rebellious phase. But they should know the importance of kindness, empathy, morality, and respect and if they break that, there should be consequences.
I live in Brazil and a real case happened in my state: the girl was 13 and she had a secret boyfriend, her parents didn't approve of it and locked her out of the house until she told them who the boyfriend was. She was found dead, 3 blocks away, two weeks after they put her on the missing list. Who was the boyfriend? Just a silly boy from her class, who had to be investigated. Who was the killer? Big fcking surprise: the neighbor, who had witnessed the fight and tried to comnince her to stay with him, as long as she repayed him with sexual favors. Needless to say, child abuse is not tough love and if parents act like this, before they get the consequences, they kids will have to face it.
The thing child abusers don’t understand is that abusing a kid because they have an “attitude” is only going to lead them to grow up with even more of an attitude. Think about all the toxic people who, surprise surprise, had abusive parents. The abuse instilled the idea that all authority is abusive. so when that person get in a position of authority, they think to just abuse it because it’s what they were taught to do. The alternative is just as bad, the kid grows up to be submissive and depressed, following people who take advantage of their weaknesses and exploit them.
If a child ever appears on your doorstep and says their parents purposely locked them out as punishment, here’s what you do: Step 1) make the child comfortable. If it’s a kid you know and are familiar with, bring them inside. If it’s a stranger’s kid, I would recommend staying outside with them. For one, you don’t know what a vindictive parent will say to get back at you for Step 2 if you bring them inside. But also, you don’t how this kid will react to your home. They could have a panic attack over something or something else might trigger an angry, violent outburst. It’s best for everyone involved if you grab a blanket and stay outside with the kid. Either way, know them or not, stay outside or bring them in, start recording EVERYTHING. Because again, after Step 2, there’s no telling if/how a vindictive parent will get back at you. Step 2: call the police to report an abandoned child. Even if you can take the kid for the night, police and child services should be notified of this and sent to deal with the parents. They also need to assess if any other children are in danger as well. A parent having a mental break down or in the middle of a drunken fit could become dangerous to small children who can’t lock themselves in their rooms. Authorities need to make sure any other children present are safe and cared for, as well as to give consequences to the parents for locking out the child in your care. The fact that police/child services came and told them off could also prevent this from happening in the future. They can also start official records and paper trails in case this happens again or if things get worse. This could even be what concerned family need to get visitation to/custody of the child(ren), or to at least get that ball rolling. Imagine if Sugar Mama had done this. Or if Penny went to LaCienega’s house and Sunset- who is a cop- came over to rip Trudy a new one. I’m sure telling Trudy all the gory details of the child murders Sunset has investigated over the years would get the control freak woman to stop acting like she’s actually doing something good for her daughter and realize just how badly she f-ed up.
@@blizzard_the_seal9863 this is what I’ve come to conclude after watching this and watching/reading Reddit stories of various natures- from parents dumping kids on unwilling family members to people dealing with Karen’s in the wild. Document everything, get authority involved no matter how minor so a paper trail can start, do what you can to take care of kids until you’re told what to do next by authorities. So many people don’t involve police when they should for any number of reasons and then it comes back around to bite them in the butt.
Nice thought - but keep in mind that CPS will make things worse for the kids involved. The foster care situation is often a case of frying pan to fire situation, with kids mysteriously disappearing (trafficked) or getting abused in awful ways that they may not have been suffering from home. Others end up on the streets. I see it over and over.
@@MegaMagicdog I know kids COULD end up in bad situations but if they have other family or friends to take them, don’t they give them to those people? What this is is a crime against a child, so even if you called JUST the police, child services will also be called, whether you want it or not. If it’s a first offense and the home is deemed safe, the child is usually sent back, right? Police and child services pointing out how wrong this is and the threat of having kids taken away is usually enough to get a person doing this because they genuinely think it’s “for the best” to stop.
@@alexismyers6053 Here's how it usually goes: CPS (or whatever they're called in each state) get money from the government for each kid they take out of their home - regardless of abuse occurring or not. All it seems to take is one anonymous phone call and their hounds are at your door trying to get a look at the kids. If the kids are of a certain type (young, white, cute and has no disabilities of any kind), they're immediately taken and trafficked to the home of the people who wanted such a child [to adopt] . It doesn't matter if the kid was not in any danger to begin with. If they do NOT meet the earlier standard, if they are being abused, they are left in the abusive family's care, and case is usually closed unless they have a foster home (which gets paid to take the kids in) to put them in. There the kids are often s*xually abused and beaten. Locks are put on cabinets and refrigerators to keep them from eating more than they are given. Then at 18, the kid is now an adult and turned loose and left to his or her own devices - and often they haven't any useful ones.
Locking your kid out is not gonna encourage them to stop sneaking around. If anything that will make them seek other places to go home to because their home isn't a place to come to anymore
Reminds me of an episode of Everybody Hates Chris where Chris essentially gets kicked out of the house by his mom because he found it unfair that only he was ever made to do chores while his younger brother and sister could laze around, and her only reasoning for being, well, unreasonable with him was that he shouldn't question her decision.
I actually really like that episode. It actually acknowledged that his mom was in the wrong. I also liked how Julius handled it. And sure the part were chris does the chores might be seen as "unfair" but hey it comes with the territory
AS someone who has been locked out of the house by my parents at night the only reason they let me in was because I kicked the door so hard that it dented it, and it was snowing outside I didn't care if they were probably gonna let me in an hour later that shit was horrifying
You had full rights to freak out that hard, it does not take that long to freeze to death and your parents don't deserve to have you as their child ❤ I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
I never liked the show, from what very little I've seen. Penny's parents have allways been mentally abusive. They treat her like an inconvenience and parentified her to take care of her sibling with a disability.
@@supermariof0521 plus just because Penny’s parents are BFFs with LaCienega’s parents doesn’t Penny has to be friends with her. Penny’s parents need to put their daughter first
@@kmmk5022 If the episode wanted to have the right idea and have them put Penny first, here's what should've happened. Understandably Trudy is mad at Penny for sneaking out. HOWEVER she could then go into a backstory about how when she was Penny's age, she did the same shit, she thought it was all badass, UNTIL one of her friends ended up getting shot, and Trudy felt responsible cause she couldn't save her friend in time. She even has the ashes of her friend to remind her NOT to do the same thing again. This right here could strike fear into Penny, because Trudy was honest with Penny by explaining WHY sneaking out is dangerous. Penny breaks down emotionally, begs for forgiveness, and says "I don't care if you ground me! I'm just thankful you were honest with me!". Penny then promises to stop sneaking out, rushes to her room, to catch up on her studies, but the next day she's a nervous wreck cause of the box of ashes Trudy showed her. Trudy worries about Penny, then both her, Oscar and Sugarmama walk into Penny's room to see if she's okay, and Trudy gets emotional by telling Penny "I only told you that backstory because I don't want the same thing that happened to my friend, to happen to you. You may be growing up but your still my baby and I want you to lead a productive life.". Penny breaks down again, as Trudy simply says "Its okay baby. Let it all out." as Penny doubles down on her promise to never sneak out after midnight again before getting a hold of herself and telling the her friends what her Mom told her, and even making a public speech in the school autotorium to prevent others her age from making the same mistake, before the episode ends.
It physically pains me to think about how many aspects of this show are just blatently problematic and kind of outdated, but instead of calling them out they decide to be woke. Like there's soo many plot points that they could actually talk about but they just don't: -Penny's toxic ass friends, like come on this is 2023, if Amphibia can talk about toxic friendships than so can this show. If they actually wanted to be progressive then they should absolutely talk about it. -Oscar being a controlling father. Yeah it is sometimes mentioned, but it's never actually resolved. Like we never see Oscar actually let be Penny be a teenage girl, he might for one episode, but he'll be controlling again the next episode. Dude needs to actually have a character arc, just in general really . Let's be real, Oscar is a piece of shit. Which you know, would be okay years ago, but we're living in a time where fathers, especially in the world of animation, are being held to much higher standards. Long gone is the trope of incompetant fathers, or those that never listen. Nowdays we have animated dads like Bob Beltcher and Bandit Heeler, who practice empathy and compassion. -Suga mama. It makes my blood BOIL at how she's so openly abusive to Oscar, but everyone, even Trudy, just treats it like a funny joke. As if she's just a bit sassy with her son and doesn't hit and belittle him on a daily basis. Again, this is 2023, we've moved past thinking that this kind of stuff is funny. -Trudy hitting Oscar. I'm not actually sure if it happened again, but I do recall Trudy hitting Oscar if he ever looked at another woman. That is not okay, it also kinda falls into a very problematic trend of shows treating the abuse of men at the hands of women as joke. And come on, we know better nowdays. Seriously, for a show that tries to be progressive it's just sad how they chose to ignore things that SHOULD be talked about in favour of claiming that anything and everything is racist.
I mean yes to all of that, but I’d argue that if the show did try to tackle those issues, it would be called woke regardless. “Woke” to most people who hate it means anything that opposes the status quo they love
I'm really confused by your use of "woke". From your list of objections, it sounds like, if anything, you want the series to BE woke. (Not that I think the term really applies to this situation at all, but your use of it really didn't make any sense.)
@@Marbles471 No you absolutely don't. Being progressive and being woke are two completely different things. Progressive is advocating for change. For instance, think of how LGBTQ+ is treated by shows like The Owl House or She-ra. Woke is when you shove those messages down the throat of your audience, while not treating the message with the respect and nuance it deserves. In other words, progressive is talking about an issue that is stigmatized and normalising it, ie: that gay people exist, or talking about an issue that is normalised despite being harmful, ie: how harmful authoritative parenting can be. Meanwhile woke makes the issue kind of a spectacle or a selling point, think of all those instances where you'll have gay characters whose sole personality is being gay or experiencing homophobia. Or characters that are people of colour who only exist to be victims of racism. That's woke, they don't want to actually bring light to an important issue, they want to sit there and go "Look at me and how progressive I am!" I don't want the show to be woke, I want it to be progressive. There's a big difference between the two.
@@bluebird1914 Respectfully, I don't know where you picked up that understanding of "woke", but that 100% is not what it means. It just isn't. I know exactly the kind of forced, contrived, heavyhanded thing you're trying to describe, but that is not what "woke" is at all. "Woke" was, for many decades, used in the black American community as basically describing a broader consciousness regarding systemic racial oppression. Sometime around 2014-ish, it began to spread outward into broader liberal/progressive circles, usually applying to social consciousness regarding systemic injustice towards various marginalized groups. Unfortunately, just as they've hijacked and warped countless other things that originated on the social left, the right wing seized on "woke" and twisted it into a meaningless, nonsensical shell of itself, brainlessly slapping the label on ANYTHING that spotlighted or even just prominently featured people from marginalized groups at ALL. And from there, it's come to simply mean anything they don't like, period. In just a few short years, the term has gone from a deep-rooted marker of consciousness in the black community to an ugly, fatuous buzzterm weaponized by the reactionary white right wing. It's the same thing they did to "political correctness" years ago, only it's even more dishonest and ugly. Notice how nobody outside of the right wing even uses the term anymore. In 2014 and 2015 you still saw white progressives and reform-minded blacks saying "stay woke!" Now I don't think any of them say it anymore. Just as conservatives succeeded in turning "liberal" into a dirty word in the 1980s, so they've succeeded in completely hijacking "woke" and mutating it into something empty, ugly and meaningless.
Being locked out by your parents as a minor is absolutely terrifying. Not knowing if they’re going to let you back in is absolutely the worst feeling. My dad locked me out once and it filled me with the worst dread. He did eventually open the door and let me in but it didn’t make the situation less scary.
people are blaming oscar but hes a victim of abuse too. hes stuck in a cycle of abusive women. his mother abused and neglected him and still abuses him and his wife abuses and belittles him. the man isnt perfect, but he needs to get a divorce and therapy. trudy also has had a habit of parentifying penny and shrugging off bullying she endures
in no context does a parent's lack of emotional intelligence negate the fact they are abusive and neglectful. Oscar could've been beaten bloody even day of his childhood, there is no excuse to perpetuating abuse just because you have a history with it. It is a parent's responsibility to be uncomfortable and step in harms way to protect their child. He failed to do so
This reminds me of my aunt (we are black) and how she would lock my cousins out of the house in the dark if she got mad at them. She even locked my 4 year old cousin out on the patio bc he wouldn't stop crying. It's a stereotype to assume all black parents are abusive but these things DO happen ALOT in our community. Kids i went to school with literally acted as if it were normal and would just go to a friend's house.
Penny's behavior was no excuse for her parents to give her such a horrible punishment; archaic though this statement may be, two wrongs truly don't make a right. Locking a child or teenager out of the house as punishment is not only mean, it is also dangerous. If Penny had gotten lost, hurt, kidnapped, or killed, no one would have been there to help or prevent it.
There was a true story about a girl who was r worded and murdered after her parents locked her out of the house. Her body was cut up into pieces and dumped into the river. That child died because her parents didn’t feel like letting her in. I know the writers wouldn’t let that happen to Penny, but the possibility still exists in the real world.
That's a fair point. Why didn't Oscar just drive Penny to Suga Mama's or better yet, any relative that he knows his daughter will be safe with behind Trudy's back? Some people can't understand why lying and going behind other people's backs is just something some of us have to do to survive.
The show seems to imply that Trudy is threatening Oscar every time she thinks he's trying to help Penny. She physically assaults him to get him away from the window and growls at him when she notices that he isn't waiting in the bedroom for her. Somehow, it's funny because it's a woman abusing her husband, but if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't be allowed in kid's media.
Also, Penny taking the bus at night could be dangerous for her since she is like a fifteen-year-old black girl and there are too many pervs and unhinged people on the bus, especially at night. Night is pretty calming. Also, what was with the twins looking scared for Penny and Trudy shutting their window? Is Trudy abusing the BeeBee and CeeCee as well?@@ArchieRatsworth
Here's what should've happened. Understandably Trudy is mad at Penny for sneaking out. HOWEVER she could then go into a backstory about how when she was Penny's age, she did the same shit, she thought it was all badass, UNTIL one of her friends ended up getting shot, and Trudy felt responsible cause she couldn't save her friend in time. She even has the ashes of her friend to remind her NOT to do the same thing again. This right here could strike fear into Penny, because Trudy was honest with Penny by explaining WHY sneaking out is dangerous. Penny breaks down emotionally, begs for forgiveness, and says "I don't care if you ground me! I'm just thankful you were honest with me!". Penny then promises to stop sneaking out, rushes to her room, to catch up on her studies, but the next day she's a nervous wreck cause of the box of ashes Trudy showed her. Trudy worries about Penny, then both her, Oscar and Sugarmama walk into Penny's room to see if she's okay, and Trudy gets emotional by telling Penny "I only told you that backstory because I don't want the same thing that happened to my friend, to happen to you. You may be growing up but your still my baby and I want you to lead a productive life.". Penny breaks down again, as Trudy simply says "Its okay baby. Let it all out." as Penny doubles down on her promise to never sneak out after midnight again before getting a hold of herself and telling the her friends what her Mom told her, and even making a public speech in the school autotorium to prevent others her age from making the same mistake, before the episode ends.
@@oddcrafter1270 Exactly. Honestly I feel like the original show probably would've gone with this approach. Imagine this episode using that approach and the episode basically being marketed as a PSA on the dangers of sneaking out after dark while underage.
The sad thing is, people think abuse and "tough love" are the same thing, probably because their own parents used the term "tough love" to describe the way they treat their own children, and they did it as a way to manipulate their kid into thinking that their abusive ways are "for their own good", and now people think of insults and beating a child as "tough love".
@@supermariof0521 That's so much better. You thought of a better story line than the writers for The Proud Family could ever dream of. Your story also sounds a lot more realistic too. If I was a rebellious kid like Penny was in that episode and someone told me that story, I feel like that would've made me wake up and realize why what I was doing was wrong. Of course, grounding them or taking their phone away also seem like more reasonable punishments, as opposed to not allowing them in the house. However, if my family decided to kick me out of my home, I'd just think, "Well, clearly they didn't put that curfew because they cared about my safety, otherwise they wouldn't have left me out at night to fend for myself. Now I've realized that they probably were only making those rules just to control me, not because they actually thought it was dangerous or because they care about my safety." I mean, it's weird to say, "I didn't want you out past the curfew, because I wanted you to be safe, but now, I'm gonna make sure you stay outside and can't come back home." That's like if a parent said, "I didn't want you to skip school, so as a punishment, I'm gonna make sure to pull you out of school permanently." Or, "I didn't want you to watch porn online, so as a punishment, I'm going to force you to watch more porn!" It makes no sense.
its genuinly refreshing to hear someone speak so cut and dry about child abuse, as someone who went through that as a kid it was so hard having to hear people excusing my parents actions as being justified because "you had an additude" and other bs, and the numerous people saying sp*anking is a completly justifed punishment, and making it seem like it wasnt as bad. I remember we had to read a novel in my sophmore year that displayed pretty graphic child abuse and I brought it up in the class discussions we had and I was pulled aside and told it was fine to have such "extreme" feeling about the book, but thats not what the book was about and I should focus my energy on the more relavant themes in the book. later the book did the thing of the child has to make up with the family because they were right all along to abuse their children and all that nonsense, and it was so damaging for me to see all the adults being perfectly okay with that behavior it made me convince myself what I went though wasnt a bad thing, until recently when I was able to come to terms with my abuse. all that to say thanks for being so explicit in your condemnation of that behavior
And this is why I want to be a gentle black parent. My grandmother would say the same thing about beating kids is "discipline" and not abusive. I will never get over of how my daddy would hurt me and my brothers if we don't act right.
My grandma still believes parents are entitled to respect, even if they don't respect you. 🤦🏿♀️ I get that me and my mother don't get along, but that didn't mean I respect her less. We just have communication problems. As for whooping kids, I grew up with those, too. As a result, I grew up being afraid of making mistakes and beating myself up whenever I messed up. 😢
BTW they did something similar in the loud house where Lincoln was kicked out the house for having "bad luck" which was superstitious nonsense his sister Lynn brought up. And they didn't just throw him out, they sold his furniture. And im pretty sure the fairly odd parents done it tons of times.
I was once locked out. I was mad over a sock and throwing a tantrum as a little 7 year old. Instead of parenting, they threw me out and I walked home. My cousin was too once, and it was probably my fault. He was lighting candles in a safe manner and I got scared of the fire. Instead of telling me it’s okay and that candles aren’t that bad, they threw him out. My uncle then came over to beat my dad up and pin dad’s new girlfriend (uncles ex wife, it’s messed up) to the wall. I remember crying in an office chair while dad called the police.
My grandpa would do this to my Mother when she was a teen. Also physical abusè as well. My mom grew up to have terrible mental problems 🎉🎉🎉. Please don't do this to your child
I am a black/POC specific of Caribbean descent. I have had a similar incident occur in my household various times but specifically two incidents were the most impactful. I remember being in middle school and going to study with a group of girls in a local library. I was aware at the time that these were the *cool kids* and they had much more time to be outside and be familiar with the neighborhood. I wasn’t allowed outside much and although it was partially for safety reasons it was also a way of my mothers controlling dynamic. She can be considered narcissistic abusive and would often have violent outbursts. When I noticed the girls were taking longer to leave the library more than what I was allowed to be out by I began to panic as I truly didn’t know how to walk home by myself from that area and the route we took. When I got home my mother proceeded to give me a speech about how “fast” I was and that I was with boys although surprise I was not into guys then and I also genuinely didn’t know how to go home. Regardless of the reason as to why I was late it was completely wrong for her to lash me with a hot pot spoon that she was cooking with that left massive welts over my arm. I wore selves during that school season for the rest of spring/summer. The last incident of this abuse occurred when I was in college and was 21 I got a job that required me to be out past curfew. I recall asking for permission to go out the night before where yet again I was told I was “fast” and was verbally berated. I dropped the subject immediately and went to bed. The next day I got ready for class and let her know I would be an hour behind coming back from class as I had to complete a task for work. I gave her the location information of my supervisors and anything needed at the time so she wouldn’t jump to conclusion as she did. She verbally berated me yet again and it caused us to have an argument where I was told to not return home that night. I spent the night with a friend who knew of my mother’s ways and was given the advice to find safety as she saw how worse her behavior got over the years. When I came back home the next day, I came back to the chain on the door and my belongings in garbage bags. I was told to get out. I took my belongs and never returned. That night caused me to end up in an unsafe living situation where I was powerless and faced many years of emotional, mental, and physical pain from that point on in my life. Years after I was contacted by my mothers husband at that time and my grandparents who would sneak around to contact me acknowledge the behavior but not speak on it as fear of agitation. It was so upsetting to see that everyone knew about her abuse and faced it for themselves at times but would sneak around to be in touch with me and not confront it. I recall when her husband called me at one point he told me to call in the evening as he would be at work then so she wouldn’t know we were in contact. This all occurred almost 8 years ago. Today I am 29 turning 30 next month, mentally, physically and emotionally further in my healing journey. I live a sober lifestyle and am a small business owner with a platform that focuses on life coaching using energy healing and spiritual modalities so that people can empower themselves and feel uplifted. I am so grateful I never looked back from this moment in life. I completely agree this is 100% wrong no matter what race, but I acknowledge the experience as a black/ POC person how unhealthy a household dynamic like this can be for a young girl of colour as we can internalize the abuse and begin to think we have to continue to live in fear and perpetuate the abuse and violence that we see within our communities at times. This dynamic taught me to allow other people to be in power of me and I took toxic behavior and unhealthy dynamics in friendships and other interactions as normal for a long time as I wasn’t taught what it was to resolve conflict or even identify abuse from home. I was taught no one will bat an eyelash and you are alone. Please our next generation, let us not do this to our youth as we have a responsibility to show love and compassion. I wish everyone who has faced anything like this immense love and to continue to stand up for themselves and step forward in there healing journey. Continue to prioritize your safety and well being no matter what capacity as you truly do matter and it is the first step in gaining control over your life and true autonomy over yourself. Peace and much love to you all❤️🙏🏾
@@no_one_211 what are you talking about? No one is safe from being abused, especially animals. If you’re here to be an @$$ to be people who suffered, leave.
When me and my brother were watching this episode we were completely appalled! As The Proud Family has kind of solidified itself as a cartoon made by and for black people, I was personally surprised at the fact that they were treating this behavior as if it were normal, especially since there’s been a lot of talk as of late about how stuff like this is considered a “black” thing and why it’s just bad. I was hoping that Sugar Mama would be surprisingly loving and supportive considering how in the episode about Maya’s dads she had a whole “that’s outdated thinking” type of vibe when talking about Oscar’s weird behavior. Would’ve been nice and subversive, considering how Sugar Mama’s generation is the one mainly responsible for the normalization of this kind of abuse. Also kind of weird how the moment after she gets injured she’s legit terrified that Penny’s going to try to get some kind of revenge for the way she’s been treating her (almost as if she knew that what she was doing was awful and 100% grounds for getting revenge) It’s stuff like this that’s especially hard to undo since just about everyone thinks it’s normal. My brother was a school bus driver fairly recently and for some type of sensitivity class when the topic of child abuse came up, the lesson literally said to consider the ethnicity the kids family came from because “different families discipline their kids in different ways”. It’s so weird how bad this is getting ingrained as normal, and specifically for US!
>the lesson literally said to consider the ethnicity the kids family came from because “different families discipline their kids in different ways”. Holy shit, that sensitivity class sounds racist af. Who thought THAT was a good idea?
@@MadameSomnambule it’s been a while so I can’t remember it perfectly, but it was for sure a class on how to spot child abuse. My brother used to drive for little kids, maybe 3-10 y/o, so it was 100% about spanking. I can’t imagine an “inclusive” school actually saying to look out for specific ethnicities, so that was probably just the vibes I got when my brother was telling me all that stuff. But even if that, saying “you should watch out for this behavior unless it’s coming from certain groups of people” is dangerously vague when talking about child abuse! Where’s the line that the drivers and teachers are supposed to look out for? Some parents say things like “yeah I smack my kids behind, but I would never use a ruler on them”, others will say “I use a ruler, but I would never use a belt” and more would say “I use a belt, but I would never use a switch!” No one has an agreed on line for what’s the difference between discipline and abuse, so I think it’s safe to say you should report when it comes to any sort of hitting a child!
It legitimately threw me to see how Suga Mama kept comparing Penny to Oscar as a punishment especially when you see Oscar’s bed with the scratches. Watching the reboot made me realize how abuse and favoritism runs through this family. 😢
"Now the school district needs you to understand that if you see a white kid getting abused by their parents, you have to report it. But if the kid is brown, ignore it, it's just " cultural" and we might get sued for trying to get involved. 🙄
The sad part is I knew this kind of stuff was going to appear in the new show because it was in the past show, one of my main gripes was how Penny was constantly and unnecessarily parentified, somehow her siblings were always her responsibility so the adults could go play. I had hoped and prayed the creator/writers grew from the past but they're "Old school" so this is the mindset a lot of our community still has. I knew immediately when they revealed Dijonay's new design, after countless videos discussing how she was written and treated in the first series only to change the design AFTER people got upset, that I didn't need to watch it. Seeing scenes like this, the way Penny's friends are still shitty towards her, and making Penny MORE boy crazy or """fast""" as they call it, just disappointed me. They really had a chance to do better and make an amazing show we really needed as positive representation but it's honestly almost worse than the original. It did do a few things better like fixing the Chang triplets by not making them into a racist stereotype but god I'm so tired.
this whole reboot has been toxic behavior after toxic behavior. The original had some pretty toxic behavior but it wasn't as outward as it is in the reboot.
I grew up in an area where this type of parenting is common. The amount of girls I knew in HS who were having sex with GROWN MEN in exchange for a safe place to sleep was too damn many.
Oh my god. THIS!! You have no idea how many people I come across that UNIRONICALLY think physically abusing a child is normal. SO many people make comments like “I can tell ur white” when I comment on the fact hurting a child as discipline is normal. It seriously makes me start to disdain asian families in general because that’s where people say it’s “normal”. I don’t care about the color of people’s skin, but I will NEVER like *anything* associated with child abuse, and associating something so terrible with a skin color is just racism. Sometimes I find myself having a small prejudice against asian parents in general because of this association that asian parents abuse and treat kids terribly, and I immediately remind myself that’s wrong and stop myself, but that can tell you this type of thing is NOT okay. It’s producing so bad of a stereotype. I have a special hatred for anyone who abuses a child, especially in a day and age where a simple google search tells you it’s bad. Y’all stay safe out there, and remember children and living and breathing human beings too. 🙏 ❤
7:40 As someone who was spanked as a kid let me say that there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between that & locking your kid outside! (I don't condone spanking your children.) With a spanking the parent at least has eyes & ears on the kid as opposed to locking a kid outside where the parent has no idea where they are. While all the notes about human predators that come out at night are valid there is also the danger of nature. Most cities in the US & Canada (don't know about the rest of the world) have sizable populations of raccoons, foxes, & stray/feral dogs. All of these are more active at night & potentially dangerous to kids if they aren't careful. Not to mention that depending on the climate &/or time of year hypothermia is also a real danger. While hypothermia is most likely at very cold temperatures, it can occur even at cool temperatures (above 40°F) if a person becomes chilled from rain, sweat, or submersion in cold water.
Sad confession but my mother pulled this shit on me MULTIPLE times as a kid. It's sad how many videos I come across that describe something my mother would do and explicitly states it's abusive, and still knowing how much she tried to gaslight me into believing it was normal parenting and something I made her do somehow because of my behavior. I feel like her face should be the image you find first when you google "psycho mom"
I had paedagogy/psychology class in 2004 at age 19. Was very funny to learn how certain things my mother had done were officially bad things to do with/to your children.
I had a friend who missed curfew because she was working and she missed the bus so she had to get a ride from a co-worker but even though she tried explaining to her parents why she was late they didn't care wouldn't let her in so she stayed at friends house for a couple of days her parents called the police because she was missing for weeks but it took them three days to realize that their daughter was no where to be found they thought she was sleeping in the back yard in the shed with the dog 🤦♀️
Let's just say her parents got in a lot of trouble, when they locked her out it was like super cold and raining outside also she didn't have to walk or take a bus her parents could have picked her up they just didn't want too also her dad attacked her because she refused to come home so he was arrested she was sent to go live with her aunt and uncle her parents were being investigated by CPS and the police we were like 16/17 when this all happened
I actually was spanked and turned out fine, but that doesn't mean I wish that for anyone else. I know my mom loves me and cares about me, she was just stressed as a single mom and didn't know any better. She did apologize many times now that I am an adult, but please dont hit your kids, its not the right way to parenting.
@@HeartEllisi didn’t grow up with spanking or physical abuse. but my coping mechanisms sure did get fucked and my undiagnosed adhd being masked or turned into humor for most of my early life lead to enough panic attacks. even with pretty good parents and a safe community in comparison to what others experienced in this comment section i still got screwed over and luckily my mum is a lot better so i just got figure out how to cope better and self loathe less in a daily basis. can’t imagine the agony others have to go through in astronomically worse childhoods.
@@MariokibmibYT can’t really agree to disagree when there are literal studies done that say hitting your kids does more harm then good. It’s been found that it can leave a long lasting negative impact on the kid and stays with them for their life. It has also been shown it can lead to mental health problems down the line. So when your hit your kids all you are doing is setting them up for failure.
This is actually how a lot of human trafficking cases happen. On another note, another episode made up the claim that “black people can’t be racist.” The writers apparently haven’t heard of Kanye West’s recent antics.
This literally gave me flashbacks of the times where I was locked out of the house at nighttime either in the backyard or the front yard and I would just cry until I was finally let back in Literally why would anyone add this scene into a show it's never ok to be putting your child through any of that stress
9:45 currently huddled up in my room at 1 am looking at old photos with my dad who my mom won’t let me see and won’t until I move out knowing I’ll be stuck with a mother who gaslights, screams at me over tiny mistakes, and tries to sabotage everything when my life starts looking up… you have no clue how much I needed to hear that
What I'm really wondering is why is Oscar acting like he's Penny's older brother? I mean you're also her parent, you can make the decisions too. So you're so scared of your wife that you're too afraid to talk to or help your own daughter(more than/not the bus fare thing) when your wife's around??
As a black girl myself I can say that I have seen my fair share of families(not just black ones) do things like this to their children and it’s not and has never been okay. And the worst thing is that Trudy didn’t even try to talk to Penny before immediately locking her out of the house.
When i was 4-6 i had really bad anger issues and i would get mad over everything so my mom decided to lock me outside for like 20 mins and it was pitch black i was scared of the dark lmao
i think i used to get locked in the bathroom for similar reasons. not abusive probably but still terrifying to like, a 3 year old lol. i had a shit concept of time, like a dog, so i just assumed i would be there for all eternity lmao
In a sea of very unfortunate stories here’s a locked out story that happened to me to at least lighten the mood So one time me and my dad were going home from a day at a pool and nobody else was currently at home and he realized that he forgot his keys and we had no way to get inside After a short time of brainstorming he decided to just break the back glass door with a hammer so we can get back inside He got it fixed afterwards so it was never really a big deal
One time I accidentally locked myself out of my aunt's house in the middle of the night so I just went to sleep in the car and scared the shit out of my grandpa when I sat up in the backseat when he jumped in the driver's for a smoke in the morning.
I'm so glad I was never raised in a household like that. My dad was a douche and wasn't in my life but my mom is amazing. Imagine locking your kid outside the house, fucking imagine, it makes me so mad to think about reading those examples of it happening to other people My mom and grandma left the house (grandma lived with us) for different things (doctors appointment and bank visit), I got home to find myself locked out without a phone. My mom, who realized she wouldn't be back in time, called the police to get to the house and make sure I was safe. I was sitting there for less than 10 minutes when a cop car pulled up, that's how fast my mom was. After that my mom had another key made and talked me through what to do if something like that happened again, or if I lost my key, etc. It was a learning experience for both of us and we both grew because of it. Imagine being so fucking petty to lock your kids outside at NIGHT and just assume they'll be okay, and then you have a Proud house episode that doesn't even call Trudy out for being an awful mother
It's really fucking abysmal how normalized abuse is. I mean, seeing Penny going through this is just making me have my own personal flashbacks and making me think back to all the crap the Fairly Oddparents had with Timmy getting mistreated, straight neglected, and abused by his parents, his godparents, every adult in his life, Tootie and Vicky.
This scene of Penny Proud being deliberately locked out of her house by her own mother, along with the whole fiasco that came out of Primos proves that Disney believes that any publicity is good publicity.
If you haven't seen this show back in its first seasons (I grew up with this show) you'd see it doesn't get much better. While this example is a bit more extreme, Penny constantly is put on an emotional rollercoaster by her family and even closest friends. This show bullies Penny so much, and since watching it as an adult, I don't think any children should be taking lessons from it. As one example, Penny's friends are extremely wishy-washy with her, I don't think she has a single loyal friend whatsoever. All of them eventually turn on her for sake of popularity or some other sort of gain- even her own parents will ignore her, put her second or otherwise mistreat her in many episodes. And what do we learn? "That's life! Suck it up!"
As a mixed Muslim girl (black and brown I'm Somali) this is inexcusable behavior not to mention haram in my religion child abuse will NEVER be okay I've never been abused myself but I had a friend who was dealing with child neglect and depression and swerslide thoughts and social anxiety and I felt so bad for her I hope she feels better as I'm not friends with her anymore anyways have a beautiful day! 😊🌸
I remeber watching that scene and not only hating on it because of the child abuse, but also because it was soo out of charrater. Trudy would never do something like that, she would have talked to her daughter to see why she hasn't been doing her homework. NOT LOCK HER OUT!! I don't even think Oscar would do that! The reboot just put the black mama stereotype on trudy so it would seem more relatable. But, they whole point of the proud family was that not all black families are like the stereotypes. That Black families can be loving and caring. I guess the reboot just forgot about that.
You should watch Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. Lunella’s family is really caring and the way the writers tackle serious issues are very graceful. There’s even better LGBTQ and disability representation.
Are we gonna ignore how Trudy and Oskar made Penny bring her own SIBLINGS TO WORK OSKAR IS BASICALLY UNEMPLOYED LIKE WHY SHE FINALLY GOT A JOB FOR A CELEBRITY it literally boiled my blood.
When I was 8, my mom threw me out because I said some really really nasty stuff to my dad, and even though I was out for only one hour (the time to calm down and "realize my errors"), it made me me scared of my mom forever. Now I'm older and I know she didn't truly throw me out, she just wanted me to reflect on my actions, but in my little head at the time, I was convinced she had thrown me out. Remember, anything you do will impact a child's life.
Ngl, It didn't hit me how messed up it was for my parents to lock my sisters and I out of the house because of curfew until this. I had been avoiding the new Proud Family because I heard it doesn't fix many of its past issues, and I think I'm sticking to it. Why would they have Suga Momma waving a belt at Penny and having her look so terrified?
I KNEW something was wrong with this episode! I was so confused when I didn't like it! I was excited to see an episode with Suga Mama (apologies if I'm spelling that wrong!) but this was not it. Not at all. Thanks for making this video and helping me realize! I've grown up being taught that this stuff is normal and to be expected from parents, I appreciate problems like this being brought to light. Thank you, I really enjoyed the video!
I believe the entirety of the proud family is garbage. Considering this is from the early 2000s, it did have noticeable flaws when it came to diverse representation as well as addressing serious topics. Static Shock is way better and ahead of its time.
@@SodaCider641 oh yes! Dude, I completely Agree with that statement. Static Shock did topics way better in a calm and civil manner without shoving it in your faces
@@SodaCider641 I tihnk i've heard of that, isn't that the cartoon with a black girl who's a hero and has a Dinosaur as a sidekick...or am i an idiot? LMAO😂
This was my childhood sadly. I would run away from my parents because of how harsh and strict they were with me. I often envy my friends who had supportive parents. It’s hard to imagine having that growing up.
God I'm glad other ppl feel off about this ep because I used to get kicked out all the time by my parents and my aunt if I had an attitude with them or failed in a class
I was a kid that used to get spanked by both parents for the tiniest of things not being done, I remember when I found out that spankings are not supposed to be a normal way of discipline, and I always said I would never ve like my parents doing that to a child and I still stand by that, I would never spank my child if they did something wrong, they'd be grounded and talked with
I never thought I’d find myself hating Trudy more than Oscar because in the original, she was much more likable for her calm and level-headed demeanor. A part of me likes to think that her character was ruined by the writers’ stupidity and their own personal agendas. Even Trudy from the OG Proud Family would be disgusted and appalled by seeing herself endangering her child’s life as punishment over something so small😭😬
also thr "thia country was built on slavary" rap that alone was enough to think of stopping the show for racially deviding everyone, now I'm definitly on the Ban this show off the air train.
also no, capitalism is not the problem with modern media, media will do what it wants to do to get more money and it isn't always ethical. meanwhile in every other known system (socialism, communism, marxism, fascism, authorianism and whatever else you can throw out) all media is extremely controlled by the goverment which doesn't care what will be pushed out unless it's following their message. the problem is the corruption inside the human heart and mind and it's not one we can truly forever solve with all attemps being temporary at best, while i don't know the solution i know just "CaPiTaLiSm BaD, Go (insert proposed ideology here)" is not a solution as well and might end up more detrimental then helpful as switching up to an (insert system here) would just centralize the media so there will be no other compatition. at least with disney today there is a murder dround to a proud family
When I was a kid (9-10), my mom couldn't afford to pay the rent when it was just me and her, so she made friends with pure strangers at the beach, and we moved in with them. They had a kid that was younger than me, so I had to take care of her 24/7 and I didn't even know who she was. She was a brat and always got me in trouble for things she did. At the time, my mom was the only person to be working a job out of the 4 adults that were there. So, when she went to work, all the adults would band together and lock me outside all day everyday with no food or water in 110-degree weather. They'd make the little girl stay inside and play with all her toys and watch tv. Until my mom would get home and they made me shower. Almost every time I went to shower one of the male adults would sexually assault me, I didn't know better since I was so young, so I said nothing. I'd be an hour late for dinner and had to eat the leftovers, the female adult would punch me in the gut and would make me lay on the floor if I ate the rest of the food. It was a while till my mom noticed me becoming overly skinny. Until a hurricane finally swept out everything we had, and we parted from the crazy strangers. Although it hasn't stopped. When we went to live in a different apartment, my mom still couldn't afford rent and by this time she was dating the female adult's brother. He was weird and I always thought something was wrong about him, but my mom was so in love she didn't realize. He would go behind her back and go out at night, I never knew where. About a year into the relationship, he proposed to my mom, and she said yes, not even a week after the proposal he tried to kill me by smashing my head into a door multiple times before my mom jumped on his back and wrestled him for 10 minutes. During the 10 minutes I managed to get out covered in blood and dizzy screaming for someone to call 911. My mom got out just as the cops came. And he went to jail, the next day his mom bailed him out. But being 10-11 experiencing that was horrid for me. Now I don't know how to trust people.
There's so much wrong with the proud family, both then and now. Child abuse, colorism, misogynoir, etc. I watched it as a kid but had no interest in watching it after, and I'm glad I didn't.
Even the proud family movie makes me cringe, because Penny Proud's father told her that she's not allowed to turn 16. She could have filed for legal emancipation from her parents.
Whats really sad is that my mom's dad DID do this. If you weren't home by curfew, he locked you out. My mom was scared enough to always be here on time, but her brothers often had to sleep in the garage. My mom said it happened a lot.
Honesty, I think it didn't get as much backlash because there just aren't as many adult viewers. It was supposed to be nostalgia bait, but after shows like Velma had shit ratings, it might just be fatigue.
I can't believe people think what the dad did was okay. I don't have kids or a husband but I know that my child comes before anything and he could yell at me all he wants about it but if my child is getting out than so am I
This is such a toxic episode and the fact that people didn't start talking about it until recently is crazy! The entirety of the 2nd season of 'The Proud Family: Louder And Prouder' was released several months ago! The princess party episode was bad enough! The fact that Disney, Bruce W Smith, the actors, and everyone else involved thought that this was okay is absolutely appalling, and Disney needs to retcon this episode as being a nightmare that Penny had! The problem is not just that Trudy abused Penny in this episode, but also that Suga Mama abused her too! "I don't give a single cinnamon toast fuck...". 🤣
maybe people didn’t talk about the Grandma’s hands episode because i think people felt like “oh, it’s just like the vibes of the the loud house episode “no such luck”, obviously”
@@Optimegatrongodzilla It’s that proud family louder and prouder child abuse episode, i mean, it’s like no such luck from the loud house because it’s child abuse
I love video essays like this, ones that show how media can convey certain subjects that can either be dealt with Great ways or awful ways, depending of how you write and present it. Many people don't realize how Media like this can really give new perspectives to someone's mind. However, when you indirectly mention possibility of kidnapping and r#$e in your show, that's a whole nother can of very disturbing worms
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Leslie Mahaffy was a 14yo girl who got kidnapped, held captive for 3 days and eventually killed by her kidnappers in the early 90s because her parents did the same thing to her. One of the things that bothered me the most about her parents locking her out was that she was actually attending a wake for a friend, and was only out that late because she was spending time with friends for emotional support. The point of a curfew should be to ensure your child is safe at home, not a pointless exercise of control.
Bro, that’s actually terrible to hear. Stuff like this is horrible and parents need to have the emotional maturity to have and handle kids without abusing them.
her parents were 100% responsible for her death and i still hope they feel guilt over it.
@DramatiDaze177 yep, they were a couple known as the ken and barbie killers and you can find a couple true crime videos about them, as they were indeed caught. Unfortunately Leslie was not their only victim.
@DramatiDaze177 you are unfortunately correct. She struck a deal in court and only had to serve 12 years, she completed her sentence in 2005 at the age of 35. She's since changed her name and had children. The press ARE keeping tabs on her so she hasn't been able to vanish like she probably hoped to. One of the most upsetting things is that she'd been able to volunteer at her children's school prior to being found again. I hope the best for her children, they're gonna have to live with the knowledge that their mother is a monster.
Btw, her new husband is the brother of her lawyer, so there's no way he didn't know who she was.
She's under 18, so it's still their legal responsibility to provide shelter. She gets hurt and they're in serious trouble.
Plus, I am pretty sure it can be classified as negligence on the parents’ part, which is illegal.
Yup
Right like isnt she 16 years old in highschool??
@@itstherealdyshikyp 14 actually
@@itstherealdyshikyp still, until legal maturity, which in the US is 21, the parents are rezponsible for their child’s protection and well-being
There were a few questionable morals in this new Proud Family but this was the worst. The whole episode i kept thinking "surely they're not going to justify this" but then it ended. Horrible.
The new Proud Family? This just feels like par for the course for the series. It was written as a boomer sitcom for kids and it feels like its still written as a boomer sitcom for young adults approaching middle age who dont want to hang on to their child hood. I wouldnt even say new id just say the proud family
@@randallcraft4071if any show needs to be re vamped, it’s this one. I seriously don’t get how someone looked at this and thought that was ok.
Nah remember that one wishing episode where Penny’s siblings grew older? That episode made me so mad like literally broke my heart. And the fact that it just ended as a “be careful what you wish for” sort of sentiment also made me so mad.
@@nochenight4716That episode pissed me the fuck off! The double standards that was happening to Penny was fucking horrible!! She did not deserve that at all!
@@wolfboy20 wait, what was the episode?
"I'm doing this because I love you" is why so many kids who grew up in abusive households get into abusive relationships as adults. That's not love. If someone who says they love you is physically harming you, that's not love. You deserve better. You deserve to be safe.
I absolutely agree with you on this, that isn't love by any means, anyone who thinks that needs to rethink that shit
The fact that my parents said that after hitting me really broke me down. In their logic, if I hit my parents back in anger, that means I love them. I never understood that.
Child abuse is NOT okay in any way. Just because you were raised like it doesn’t mean it’s fine.
I saw you on another proud family video lol
BS excuse to hide their abuse to their victims 🙄
What's absolutely vile is, abusive parents will lock their kid out, and then call the police on whomever takes their kid in. If another adult had rescued Penny, there's no doubt in my mind Trudy would've accused them of kidnapping and pressed charges. What's funny is that Trudy locking Penny out like this is literally child endangerment and i genuinely wish someone had called the cops. This is a straight up DANGEROUS message to push to kids.
This is so true
Bro once I was thrown out of my house at 10pm bcz I didn't eat food and it was winter night plus my place is near the forest so tigers and monkeys meh lol
can confirm lmao. my mother literally forced my thirteen year old self out the house at 10pm whilst she organised to have my bio father (who i literally barely even knew, and - apparently - has an extensive past of assault, abuse and statutory rape lmao) whisk me off to stay in another city. stole my phone and shit and left me w nothing but my cat's urn, so i had to go down and hang out at a friend's house for a little while - she came down to scream at my friend's mother and has been accusing her of kidnapping me since... even though i showed up on their doorstep (unannounced) at night, and willingly entered their home. then she had me forced into a car and taken to a whole other city lmfao. parents are fucking weird, weird shit goes on in their head's isd😭😭😭
This isn’t just child abuse, this can straight up lead to a kidnapping or murder
Or, worse, being raped or sold into the sex trade!
It’s child endangerment and negligence, which is also punishable by law.
Sexual assault too!
This also horribly plays into stereotypes... very very very, negative stereotypes. That will set us decades back.
Exactly, she could’ve been raped, abducted, murdered, if a storm happened or it was cold she could’ve caught hypothermia.
Imagine being a parent and not caring for the wellbeing of the child you raised. Anyone who has experienced this type of extremity irl deserves to live happier.
I couldn’t imagine doing that, being alone at night on the street is extremely stressful and very dangerous
You think she didn't care? This is what happens when you sit people in a corner too long and take away their precious things ....they no longer see love ...if its not literally put in their face. If they can't hold it, if it's not presented with a bow or in a box.....it's not real ....Amazon kids.
How long did she stay up waiting for her daughter?
How much fear and worry did that house experience while they didn't know if Penny would ever come home, or if she was somewhere hurt and they couldn't even help become they didn't know where she was.
Only to realize she cause all this pain because she wanted to go to a party. Yet, you think Penny being locked out was the mess up part.
Ikr
@@papalonglegz3421On the other side of the coin you got parents who would beat you up if you do a little mistake
Oh wait a minute, that's just mine
@@meiyosei78 that’s not right either! I hate that demographic of parents who beat their children over trivial things
Do they forget that the point of a curfew is to keep kids out of a bad situation at night?
Evidently...
Yeah like... Apparently, parents need to manufacture excuses to abuse their kids, I guess? Not sure what they're trying to accomplish.
mind blown…
"You put yourself in danger! That's *my* right, not yours!".
The only way this behaviour makes any sense is if the parents regard their children not as human beings with rights, but as property. Hell, we wouldn't even find treating a *dog* like this acceptable. "You ran away and came back? Well, I'm going to tie you in the yard with no food or water or shelter, because I'm mad and that makes being cruel and sadistic somehow justifiable!".
As someone who has gotten abused by a family member we no longer talk to or associate with, I can easily say that this is some bullshit. Tf was Disney thinking?!
Disney has been pure evil for a long time. This doesn’t surprise me that much
@@maplesyrup_productionsDisney has been evil since it’s conception. Walt Disney was a 33rd degree Freemason
They are a parasitic corporation, they lost their soul a long time ago, and adopted political greed as its lifeblood. When you start to harass a family for painting Winnie the Pooh on the walls of the room of a young girl, you know there's no coming back. I will encourage everyone to give Disney the boot and stop supporting them. Because, watching their shows or episodes will only encourage them to keep going.
@@maplesyrup_productionssearch peter pans book description
I bet someone told them it would “racist” if they didn’t include it in the show.
It's so ironic that I'm watching this video, and my mom is literally perpetuating stereotypes and blowing up on me and hitting me when I'm in the shower. Man, I can't wait for college!
Hope you have a good life in the future
Leave your abusive parents in the dust and never look back
Stay strong
h1t her back when youre heading to college
True.
Its ok to go no contact with family. Dont let them control your life. And if its really bad, there are places you can go. Abuse isnt ok and you have options if you need them.
@HandcupOfficial the community needs a fucking reform
Teaching your children through fear only teaches them to be afraid.
that is an awesome quote. Who's it from?
@@tornadodee148Probably thought of it themselves, it’s not necessarily original but they thought of it by common sense
they will only be afraid if ur bad at parenting
when it comes to hitting ur child a slap on the face is okay
and it the best thing for ur kid when done the right way
@@Matthewz_Ws "on the face"? bro even without the "on the face" part, pls never have kids
@@Matthewz_Wsas long as you don’t leave a mark that will still be visible an hour later it’s fine. If you leave a mark they still have by the next day you’ve crossed the line from discipline to child abuse. If you do anything that puts the child at risk of death or any type of long term harm… is also abuse.
Between her "friends" mistreating her and taking her 4 granted, and her family abusing her, I would not be surprised if Penny becomes a bitter recluse who has cut ties with everyone.
The only one who looks to be worried about her is her boyfriend. The rest of her """friends""" and family are terrible.
@@marcydiaz6950at that point, I’m hoping the series ends with Penny growing up and studying to a career, so she can break that cycle and move away from that toxic place. Maybe her and Kareem can end up together
@@marcydiaz6950 hi girl can I ask you about proud family problems
@@starsneptunexx hi dude how are you
In the old cartoon I always wanted Penny to ditch LaCienega and Dijonnay, they were terrible. Zoey flaked out a lot with peer pressure but usually had more of a conscience and at least in the old series Michael was a total sweetheart who didn't judge or flake as much as the rest. Michael, Penny, and Zoey would've had so much less drama without Dijonnay and LaCienega.
It genuinely pisses me off so much that the episode says Trudy was in the right, and it just ends without her facing any sort of punishment for this. I lost one of my best friends to his parents locking him out over something small, so this touches a nerve for me.
Trudy was literally gaslighting Penny
I'm sorry about your friend
Also has Trudy never heard of the Ken and Barbie murders?
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 I can't say I've heard of those myself, what were they?
@@funnylilfellaCanadian couple who were nicked named Barbie and Ken would go kidnap girls off the street and would do horrible things to them. They are truly disgusting pieces of trash.
Thank you pointing out it reinforces stereotypes of black families. When I told off a black mom for swearing at her child, I was told off for being a “white savior” and “ not understanding the culture”. Like, I’m sorry, when did child abuse become “ culture”?! As an add on, the mom was very threatening to the child, yelling at him to knock it off or he’ll get it when he gets home. I should have been smart and got someone else to step in, but I was impulsive. I don’t regret it, though. Things felt wrong and I couldn’t have lived with myself if I didn’t say something
That kind of thing really pisses me off. "Culture" schmulture. Human brains are human brains, emotions are emotions, and children are children. Skin color, hair texture and other physical characteristics do not somehow magically make some people immune to the effects of hurt, stress, trauma and abuse. You don't get to opt out of how human emotions and human brains work just because you feel loyalty to a problematic notion of "culture". Sorry.
It's harmful to treat children this way. ALL children.
Thanks for standing up for children regardless of culture and colour
@@letb5569 you sure talk a lot for someone with nothing to say. screaming at your child and cussing at them is worse than putting them in time out for 5 minutes or taking their phone for a few days. If you can't get that, then you need to grow up.
@@letb5569They aren't whining about a cartoon, they are complaining thr mindset that the creators put into their work. If Trudy is being justified for putting her daughter's life at risk over a curfew, that means it's something the writers (the actual, real people) agree and promote.
Cartoons don't happen magically, they're filled with the opinions and biases of whoever keeps them. These people clearly believe in a tactic that gets young kids, especially girls, killed and raped.
Also hold on, taking a child's phone (which again, I also don't agree with) is too far , but screaming and cussing insults at them is "just talking.... I don't understand why you hate that.... I love my phone :(. I would rather tell a child that their.. existence is worthless and they... deserve to be hated and... reminded of how much I despise them.... than to take their phone..."
Considering my upbringing, child abuse is part of American Black culture.
I'm SO GLAD that you pointed this out!!! My bff would be locked out of her house by her mom so much, my mom gave her a key to our house so she could just come in. She still knocked on the door when she was about to enter (the family knock so we knew it was her) and if I was up she slept in my room with me. If I was asleep she knew where the extra bedding was and just slept on the sofa bed. And the thing was, her mom never told her when she had to be home!!! So it was a guessing game she got wrong the majority of the time. Our senior year she basically lived with us. I was an only child then and it was just my mom and I so I welcomed the company. She moved the majority of her belongings into my house and she shared my room with me. We got along great! And her mom HATED my mom and me because we became a safe haven for her "demon child" as she called her. The girl was a better daughter to my mom than I was at times! She always helped around the house; she was always respectful and she never came home late because she knew what was expected from her by my mom!!! We're still friends 25yrs later. And she still considers my mom's house home. But she went through hell dealing with being locked outside for missing an unknown curfew.
Welp that mom failed at a lot of things. Failed at parenting, being a terrible mother and being the demon herself you might need salt to chase her away the streets she belongs and thou she never comes back for as long as she lives
Hey you're the greatest friend she could've asked for.
@@rosemary3029 she's not too shabby in the friend department either lol. We've been friends since we were 6 so that's just my sister at this point.
@@Nille0212
Your mom is a wonderful woman.
Hope she knows that❤.
So are you💯
@@selaniesanchez29 yes, she really is. She's amazing and I try to tell her that every day. And thank you. I just treat others how I want to be treated in return. Most of the time it works great! Others... it's a hit or miss. But it doesn't change how I treat someone else afterwards.
This happened to my friend. We’re Native American, not black, but the killing rate is just as high for native women. We had to go pick her up because her grandma locked her outside, she didn’t have anyone else to call because she had just moved there :/
From one native to another, this is ridiculous, I cannot believe that, where I am from we may have some problems in my family, but I can never imagine doing this to any of my nieces nephews or my own daughter, and I'm from the pine ridge reservation. You would think an elder would know better, but then again, probably a product of boarding school, and this is the kind of psychotic shit that they learned and internalize, and passed it on to the generations after them, which sadly included our parents and us.
Remember kids abuse will never be funny.
This is true
The Loud House did the same thing, the kicked poor Lincoln out of the house in one episode and he spent a few night outside alone.
Can u please give me the name of the loud house episode
@@HopefulStars-pt6hi I think it was when they thought Lincoln was bad luck and they didn't want to get that bad luck
@@Rose1256-v1obruh I hated that episode 😭 even tho he was a jerk in other episodes, I still think he doesn't deserve that treatment
@@librarianslivedoublelives he made everyone think it tho. He didn't want to go to their events so he made them think he was bad luck. He just wanted to not go to his sisters events and just chill. He didn't want to be forced to sleep outside or everyone hating on him
The fandom hates the episode i see most saying it was the worst episode of the show but it depends but the people who watch it actually realized how wrong was the episode
man that's messed up, how is abusing a kid appropriate for a kids show?
The writers need to be put in therapy because it sounds like they’re projecting into the show. There are healthier ways to vent.
@@SodaCider641 I mean maybe not write a teen character doing illegal and wild things? It's just cliched at this point.
@@SodaCider641so true
Have you seen Avatar the last airbender?
*cough* The Fairly Oddparents *cough*
I was abused as a child and into my teenage years as well. My younger brother and I didn't have our dad in our lives, so our mom took it upon herself to be both mom and "dad", with the "dad" part being beating us over the smallest things and even finding the nearest thing she could beat us with in order to "toughen us up". One instance that sticks with me was when I made a joke about being a gentle hand in a rough house and my mom gave me a prolonged death glare before making me choose between sleeping on the porch or in the car. Bearing in mind we lived in an apartment complex in a terrible neighborhood.
Fast forward to my adulthood, I was made my grandmother's caregiver against my will (she's an abuser as well, but since it was psychological, it was far more subtle) because I'm the only "go to" family member that doesn't work due to being disabled, yet I still took it upon myself to enroll in vocational rehabilitation before the bombshell was dropped on me without any consideration for my plans or disabilities. When I mentioned my coerced caregiver situation in another comment section, there were at least two people who pulled the "ThEy RaISeD yOu, So It'S yOuR oBlIGaTiOn" card instead of seeing that for the abuse that it was. There really are a lot of abuse apologists out here and they don't even realize it.
You were dealing with all of that, and having to go through VR, I am so sorry, dealing with VR alone is psychologically draining. I cannot imagine what you were dealing with through all of that.
Those people who think child abuse is okay from a family member are the same people that tell you to always trust and listen to your parents no matter what they do after hearing that family members are the most likely to rape or kidnap/murder someone.
You didn't ask to be born. It wasn't your choice, and you didn't get to pick who raised you. It is not your responsibility to take care of them - It was THEIR responsibility to care for you as a child, and it was THEIR decision to do so. Nobody gets to make demands of you simply for doing the (hardly) bare minimum in terms of responsibility. I hope you can get out of that situation, it's clear that those commenters forgot that a person's company is a privilege to be given, not a right that one can exercise.
Nah that’s too far and fucked up. You’re not obligated to take that.
im so sorry to hear that, more and more people need to realize that children don't owe anything to their parents in matters like this
My jaw dropped when I saw these clips, I wanna know who and how this all got approved for television for children.
Probably the same kind of people who thought Timmy Turner getting straight up abused for years was funny.
Yeah.
I mean what the hell?
I mean I never saw the episode, I think, fully and just skipped through most of it. But watching this video is like making me think why the hell did Disney + approved this episode.
If I was head of Disney + I would have canceled this episode. Then I canned the producer's ass for thinking that making a episode that is clearly about child abuse is okay.
@maplesyrup_productions
Wait a minute, when we are talking about Timmy Turner's abuse, are we talking about abuse from his parents or from Vicky? Because of all of my childhood with Fairy Odd Parents, it was always Vicky doing the abuse, not his parents. Or was there an episode that I forgot about that had Timmy being abused by his parents?
@@fancreator_875 I could be wrong but I do hear there’s a theory that Timmy’s parents wanted a girl but were disappointed when they had him and supposedly that’s the reason he always wears pink
@lynnboartsdye1943
Oh.
Believe it or not, I already know about his parents being disappointed that they got a boy instead of a girl. I watched the entire series as a child. I sort of stopped watching when Timmy had to share Cosmo and Wanda with Chloe, and the plot of those episodes didn't really stick out to me. You know what I mean?
I understand Trudy being angry at her daughter. Penny was insufferable this episode, but I also agree that Trudy went too far. Penny is 14. She’s gonna think that she’s grown, she’s gonna break rules, she’s gonna fight with her parents. All the hormones and uncontrollable emotions are gonna make her act out, but that doesn’t mean you should lock her out of her house. She coulda sat her down and had a conversation, try to understand why she’s doing what she’s doing. But they didn’t.
I wasn't being wild or trying to act adult in my teens because 1. My mom would get pissed and 2. I didn't need to. So it's understandable for Trudy to get angry and want to ground her, but she shouldn't lock her out.
@@aletanook yeah, neither was I. Some kids are different though. I guess it all depends on personality and how they were raised.
Teenage "rebellion" because of being a teenager is a myth. Children or teens "breaking rules" or lying is caused usually by an mistrustful/punitive environment or attitude parents have towards their children.
Children are autonomous beings and should be afforded autonomy over themselves and have their own boundaries respected. It's only logical for teens to "act out" because parents have lesser parental control over them once they're older. Unfortunately society still hold a generally disrespectful and negative view towards younger people.
@@Chingakyckaling Yeah I mean, obviously, not all teenagers have a rebellious phase. But they should know the importance of kindness, empathy, morality, and respect and if they break that, there should be consequences.
Truer words were never spoken, this was swatting a fly with a sledgehammer in many ways.
I live in Brazil and a real case happened in my state: the girl was 13 and she had a secret boyfriend, her parents didn't approve of it and locked her out of the house until she told them who the boyfriend was. She was found dead, 3 blocks away, two weeks after they put her on the missing list. Who was the boyfriend? Just a silly boy from her class, who had to be investigated. Who was the killer? Big fcking surprise: the neighbor, who had witnessed the fight and tried to comnince her to stay with him, as long as she repayed him with sexual favors. Needless to say, child abuse is not tough love and if parents act like this, before they get the consequences, they kids will have to face it.
When i heard the line "i'm doing this beacuse i love" I was upset that is not how you show love, that's plain manipulation
Having to verbally say it implies their actions don’t prove it, so they gotta say it to make sure they can gaslight you
Trudy was literally gaslighting Penny
@@kmmk5022oh yeah definitely
@@theveganduolingobird7349yup
The thing child abusers don’t understand is that abusing a kid because they have an “attitude” is only going to lead them to grow up with even more of an attitude. Think about all the toxic people who, surprise surprise, had abusive parents. The abuse instilled the idea that all authority is abusive. so when that person get in a position of authority, they think to just abuse it because it’s what they were taught to do. The alternative is just as bad, the kid grows up to be submissive and depressed, following people who take advantage of their weaknesses and exploit them.
If a child ever appears on your doorstep and says their parents purposely locked them out as punishment, here’s what you do:
Step 1) make the child comfortable. If it’s a kid you know and are familiar with, bring them inside. If it’s a stranger’s kid, I would recommend staying outside with them. For one, you don’t know what a vindictive parent will say to get back at you for Step 2 if you bring them inside. But also, you don’t how this kid will react to your home. They could have a panic attack over something or something else might trigger an angry, violent outburst. It’s best for everyone involved if you grab a blanket and stay outside with the kid. Either way, know them or not, stay outside or bring them in, start recording EVERYTHING. Because again, after Step 2, there’s no telling if/how a vindictive parent will get back at you.
Step 2: call the police to report an abandoned child. Even if you can take the kid for the night, police and child services should be notified of this and sent to deal with the parents. They also need to assess if any other children are in danger as well. A parent having a mental break down or in the middle of a drunken fit could become dangerous to small children who can’t lock themselves in their rooms. Authorities need to make sure any other children present are safe and cared for, as well as to give consequences to the parents for locking out the child in your care. The fact that police/child services came and told them off could also prevent this from happening in the future. They can also start official records and paper trails in case this happens again or if things get worse. This could even be what concerned family need to get visitation to/custody of the child(ren), or to at least get that ball rolling.
Imagine if Sugar Mama had done this. Or if Penny went to LaCienega’s house and Sunset- who is a cop- came over to rip Trudy a new one. I’m sure telling Trudy all the gory details of the child murders Sunset has investigated over the years would get the control freak woman to stop acting like she’s actually doing something good for her daughter and realize just how badly she f-ed up.
underrated comment!!! this sounds like some good advice
@@blizzard_the_seal9863 this is what I’ve come to conclude after watching this and watching/reading Reddit stories of various natures- from parents dumping kids on unwilling family members to people dealing with Karen’s in the wild. Document everything, get authority involved no matter how minor so a paper trail can start, do what you can to take care of kids until you’re told what to do next by authorities. So many people don’t involve police when they should for any number of reasons and then it comes back around to bite them in the butt.
Nice thought - but keep in mind that CPS will make things worse for the kids involved. The foster care situation is often a case of frying pan to fire situation, with kids mysteriously disappearing (trafficked) or getting abused in awful ways that they may not have been suffering from home. Others end up on the streets. I see it over and over.
@@MegaMagicdog I know kids COULD end up in bad situations but if they have other family or friends to take them, don’t they give them to those people? What this is is a crime against a child, so even if you called JUST the police, child services will also be called, whether you want it or not. If it’s a first offense and the home is deemed safe, the child is usually sent back, right? Police and child services pointing out how wrong this is and the threat of having kids taken away is usually enough to get a person doing this because they genuinely think it’s “for the best” to stop.
@@alexismyers6053 Here's how it usually goes: CPS (or whatever they're called in each state) get money from the government for each kid they take out of their home - regardless of abuse occurring or not. All it seems to take is one anonymous phone call and their hounds are at your door trying to get a look at the kids. If the kids are of a certain type (young, white, cute and has no disabilities of any kind), they're immediately taken and trafficked to the home of the people who wanted such a child [to adopt] . It doesn't matter if the kid was not in any danger to begin with. If they do NOT meet the earlier standard, if they are being abused, they are left in the abusive family's care, and case is usually closed unless they have a foster home (which gets paid to take the kids in) to put them in. There the kids are often s*xually abused and beaten. Locks are put on cabinets and refrigerators to keep them from eating more than they are given. Then at 18, the kid is now an adult and turned loose and left to his or her own devices - and often they haven't any useful ones.
That "Her parents sit down and have a reasonable conversation - just kidding they *FUCKING* lock her out."
Got me.
Locking your kid out is not gonna encourage them to stop sneaking around. If anything that will make them seek other places to go home to because their home isn't a place to come to anymore
So true
Only if common sense was common.
@@justanonbinarynerd-ne9tt It's not common sense, it's rare knowledge/
Reminds me of an episode of Everybody Hates Chris where Chris essentially gets kicked out of the house by his mom because he found it unfair that only he was ever made to do chores while his younger brother and sister could laze around, and her only reasoning for being, well, unreasonable with him was that he shouldn't question her decision.
I actually really like that episode. It actually acknowledged that his mom was in the wrong. I also liked how Julius handled it. And sure the part were chris does the chores might be seen as "unfair" but hey it comes with the territory
I felt so bad for Chris in the show. Like him, I'm also the oldest kid who was treated similar to how he was treated, so I identify with him a lot.
that episode made me realize african-american parenting is complex
But that was actually funny and the mom was clearly shown as being wrong.
AS someone who has been locked out of the house by my parents at night the only reason they let me in was because I kicked the door so hard that it dented it, and it was snowing outside I didn't care if they were probably gonna let me in an hour later that shit was horrifying
You had full rights to freak out that hard, it does not take that long to freeze to death and your parents don't deserve to have you as their child ❤ I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
I never liked the show, from what very little I've seen. Penny's parents have allways been mentally abusive. They treat her like an inconvenience and parentified her to take care of her sibling with a disability.
Trudy was literally gaslighting Penny to thinking she’s doing this to Penny for her own good but it’s the complete opposite
@@kmmk5022 Its been a while since I saw the original show, but I'm pretty sure even the original show wasn't this problematic.
@@supermariof0521 plus just because Penny’s parents are BFFs with LaCienega’s parents doesn’t Penny has to be friends with her.
Penny’s parents need to put their daughter first
@@kmmk5022 If the episode wanted to have the right idea and have them put Penny first, here's what should've happened. Understandably Trudy is mad at Penny for sneaking out. HOWEVER she could then go into a backstory about how when she was Penny's age, she did the same shit, she thought it was all badass, UNTIL one of her friends ended up getting shot, and Trudy felt responsible cause she couldn't save her friend in time. She even has the ashes of her friend to remind her NOT to do the same thing again. This right here could strike fear into Penny, because Trudy was honest with Penny by explaining WHY sneaking out is dangerous. Penny breaks down emotionally, begs for forgiveness, and says "I don't care if you ground me! I'm just thankful you were honest with me!". Penny then promises to stop sneaking out, rushes to her room, to catch up on her studies, but the next day she's a nervous wreck cause of the box of ashes Trudy showed her. Trudy worries about Penny, then both her, Oscar and Sugarmama walk into Penny's room to see if she's okay, and Trudy gets emotional by telling Penny "I only told you that backstory because I don't want the same thing that happened to my friend, to happen to you. You may be growing up but your still my baby and I want you to lead a productive life.". Penny breaks down again, as Trudy simply says "Its okay baby. Let it all out." as Penny doubles down on her promise to never sneak out after midnight again before getting a hold of herself and telling the her friends what her Mom told her, and even making a public speech in the school autotorium to prevent others her age from making the same mistake, before the episode ends.
@@supermariof0521 that would’ve made a way better premise than what we got.
It physically pains me to think about how many aspects of this show are just blatently problematic and kind of outdated, but instead of calling them out they decide to be woke. Like there's soo many plot points that they could actually talk about but they just don't:
-Penny's toxic ass friends, like come on this is 2023, if Amphibia can talk about toxic friendships than so can this show. If they actually wanted to be progressive then they should absolutely talk about it.
-Oscar being a controlling father. Yeah it is sometimes mentioned, but it's never actually resolved. Like we never see Oscar actually let be Penny be a teenage girl, he might for one episode, but he'll be controlling again the next episode. Dude needs to actually have a character arc, just in general really
. Let's be real, Oscar is a piece of shit. Which you know, would be okay years ago, but we're living in a time where fathers, especially in the world of animation, are being held to much higher standards. Long gone is the trope of incompetant fathers, or those that never listen. Nowdays we have animated dads like Bob Beltcher and Bandit Heeler, who practice empathy and compassion.
-Suga mama. It makes my blood BOIL at how she's so openly abusive to Oscar, but everyone, even Trudy, just treats it like a funny joke. As if she's just a bit sassy with her son and doesn't hit and belittle him on a daily basis. Again, this is 2023, we've moved past thinking that this kind of stuff is funny.
-Trudy hitting Oscar. I'm not actually sure if it happened again, but I do recall Trudy hitting Oscar if he ever looked at another woman. That is not okay, it also kinda falls into a very problematic trend of shows treating the abuse of men at the hands of women as joke. And come on, we know better nowdays.
Seriously, for a show that tries to be progressive it's just sad how they chose to ignore things that SHOULD be talked about in favour of claiming that anything and everything is racist.
I mean yes to all of that, but I’d argue that if the show did try to tackle those issues, it would be called woke regardless. “Woke” to most people who hate it means anything that opposes the status quo they love
I'm really confused by your use of "woke". From your list of objections, it sounds like, if anything, you want the series to BE woke. (Not that I think the term really applies to this situation at all, but your use of it really didn't make any sense.)
@@Marbles471 No you absolutely don't. Being progressive and being woke are two completely different things.
Progressive is advocating for change. For instance, think of how LGBTQ+ is treated by shows like The Owl House or She-ra.
Woke is when you shove those messages down the throat of your audience, while not treating the message with the respect and nuance it deserves.
In other words, progressive is talking about an issue that is stigmatized and normalising it, ie: that gay people exist, or talking about an issue that is normalised despite being harmful, ie: how harmful authoritative parenting can be.
Meanwhile woke makes the issue kind of a spectacle or a selling point, think of all those instances where you'll have gay characters whose sole personality is being gay or experiencing homophobia. Or characters that are people of colour who only exist to be victims of racism. That's woke, they don't want to actually bring light to an important issue, they want to sit there and go "Look at me and how progressive I am!"
I don't want the show to be woke, I want it to be progressive. There's a big difference between the two.
@@bluebird1914 Respectfully, I don't know where you picked up that understanding of "woke", but that 100% is not what it means. It just isn't. I know exactly the kind of forced, contrived, heavyhanded thing you're trying to describe, but that is not what "woke" is at all.
"Woke" was, for many decades, used in the black American community as basically describing a broader consciousness regarding systemic racial oppression.
Sometime around 2014-ish, it began to spread outward into broader liberal/progressive circles, usually applying to social consciousness regarding systemic injustice towards various marginalized groups.
Unfortunately, just as they've hijacked and warped countless other things that originated on the social left, the right wing seized on "woke" and twisted it into a meaningless, nonsensical shell of itself, brainlessly slapping the label on ANYTHING that spotlighted or even just prominently featured people from marginalized groups at ALL.
And from there, it's come to simply mean anything they don't like, period.
In just a few short years, the term has gone from a deep-rooted marker of consciousness in the black community to an ugly, fatuous buzzterm weaponized by the reactionary white right wing.
It's the same thing they did to "political correctness" years ago, only it's even more dishonest and ugly.
Notice how nobody outside of the right wing even uses the term anymore. In 2014 and 2015 you still saw white progressives and reform-minded blacks saying "stay woke!" Now I don't think any of them say it anymore.
Just as conservatives succeeded in turning "liberal" into a dirty word in the 1980s, so they've succeeded in completely hijacking "woke" and mutating it into something empty, ugly and meaningless.
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Being locked out by your parents as a minor is absolutely terrifying. Not knowing if they’re going to let you back in is absolutely the worst feeling. My dad locked me out once and it filled me with the worst dread. He did eventually open the door and let me in but it didn’t make the situation less scary.
people are blaming oscar but hes a victim of abuse too. hes stuck in a cycle of abusive women. his mother abused and neglected him and still abuses him and his wife abuses and belittles him. the man isnt perfect, but he needs to get a divorce and therapy. trudy also has had a habit of parentifying penny and shrugging off bullying she endures
in no context does a parent's lack of emotional intelligence negate the fact they are abusive and neglectful. Oscar could've been beaten bloody even day of his childhood, there is no excuse to perpetuating abuse just because you have a history with it. It is a parent's responsibility to be uncomfortable and step in harms way to protect their child. He failed to do so
This reminds me of my aunt (we are black) and how she would lock my cousins out of the house in the dark if she got mad at them. She even locked my 4 year old cousin out on the patio bc he wouldn't stop crying. It's a stereotype to assume all black parents are abusive but these things DO happen ALOT in our community. Kids i went to school with literally acted as if it were normal and would just go to a friend's house.
Penny's behavior was no excuse for her parents to give her such a horrible punishment; archaic though this statement may be, two wrongs truly don't make a right.
Locking a child or teenager out of the house as punishment is not only mean, it is also dangerous. If Penny had gotten lost, hurt, kidnapped, or killed, no one would have been there to help or prevent it.
There was a true story about a girl who was r worded and murdered after her parents locked her out of the house. Her body was cut up into pieces and dumped into the river. That child died because her parents didn’t feel like letting her in. I know the writers wouldn’t let that happen to Penny, but the possibility still exists in the real world.
It’s not even about the cartoon and what did and didn’t happen in it. It’s about what it normalizes.
That's a fair point. Why didn't Oscar just drive Penny to Suga Mama's or better yet, any relative that he knows his daughter will be safe with behind Trudy's back? Some people can't understand why lying and going behind other people's backs is just something some of us have to do to survive.
The show seems to imply that Trudy is threatening Oscar every time she thinks he's trying to help Penny. She physically assaults him to get him away from the window and growls at him when she notices that he isn't waiting in the bedroom for her.
Somehow, it's funny because it's a woman abusing her husband, but if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't be allowed in kid's media.
Also, Penny taking the bus at night could be dangerous for her since she is like a fifteen-year-old black girl and there are too many pervs and unhinged people on the bus, especially at night. Night is pretty calming. Also, what was with the twins looking scared for Penny and Trudy shutting their window? Is Trudy abusing the BeeBee and CeeCee as well?@@ArchieRatsworth
Tough love exists when it comes to disciplining your children, but this isn’t it. This really isn’t it.
Just plain dangerous.
Here's what should've happened. Understandably Trudy is mad at Penny for sneaking out. HOWEVER she could then go into a backstory about how when she was Penny's age, she did the same shit, she thought it was all badass, UNTIL one of her friends ended up getting shot, and Trudy felt responsible cause she couldn't save her friend in time. She even has the ashes of her friend to remind her NOT to do the same thing again. This right here could strike fear into Penny, because Trudy was honest with Penny by explaining WHY sneaking out is dangerous. Penny breaks down emotionally, begs for forgiveness, and says "I don't care if you ground me! I'm just thankful you were honest with me!". Penny then promises to stop sneaking out, rushes to her room, to catch up on her studies, but the next day she's a nervous wreck cause of the box of ashes Trudy showed her. Trudy worries about Penny, then both her, Oscar and Sugarmama walk into Penny's room to see if she's okay, and Trudy gets emotional by telling Penny "I only told you that backstory because I don't want the same thing that happened to my friend, to happen to you. You may be growing up but your still my baby and I want you to lead a productive life.". Penny breaks down again, as Trudy simply says "Its okay baby. Let it all out." as Penny doubles down on her promise to never sneak out after midnight again before getting a hold of herself and telling the her friends what her Mom told her, and even making a public speech in the school autotorium to prevent others her age from making the same mistake, before the episode ends.
@supermariof0521 That sounds orders of magnitude better.
@@oddcrafter1270 Exactly. Honestly I feel like the original show probably would've gone with this approach. Imagine this episode using that approach and the episode basically being marketed as a PSA on the dangers of sneaking out after dark while underage.
The sad thing is, people think abuse and "tough love" are the same thing, probably because their own parents used the term "tough love" to describe the way they treat their own children, and they did it as a way to manipulate their kid into thinking that their abusive ways are "for their own good", and now people think of insults and beating a child as "tough love".
@@supermariof0521 That's so much better. You thought of a better story line than the writers for The Proud Family could ever dream of. Your story also sounds a lot more realistic too. If I was a rebellious kid like Penny was in that episode and someone told me that story, I feel like that would've made me wake up and realize why what I was doing was wrong. Of course, grounding them or taking their phone away also seem like more reasonable punishments, as opposed to not allowing them in the house.
However, if my family decided to kick me out of my home, I'd just think, "Well, clearly they didn't put that curfew because they cared about my safety, otherwise they wouldn't have left me out at night to fend for myself. Now I've realized that they probably were only making those rules just to control me, not because they actually thought it was dangerous or because they care about my safety."
I mean, it's weird to say, "I didn't want you out past the curfew, because I wanted you to be safe, but now, I'm gonna make sure you stay outside and can't come back home."
That's like if a parent said, "I didn't want you to skip school, so as a punishment, I'm gonna make sure to pull you out of school permanently." Or, "I didn't want you to watch porn online, so as a punishment, I'm going to force you to watch more porn!" It makes no sense.
its genuinly refreshing to hear someone speak so cut and dry about child abuse, as someone who went through that as a kid it was so hard having to hear people excusing my parents actions as being justified because "you had an additude" and other bs, and the numerous people saying sp*anking is a completly justifed punishment, and making it seem like it wasnt as bad. I remember we had to read a novel in my sophmore year that displayed pretty graphic child abuse and I brought it up in the class discussions we had and I was pulled aside and told it was fine to have such "extreme" feeling about the book, but thats not what the book was about and I should focus my energy on the more relavant themes in the book. later the book did the thing of the child has to make up with the family because they were right all along to abuse their children and all that nonsense, and it was so damaging for me to see all the adults being perfectly okay with that behavior it made me convince myself what I went though wasnt a bad thing, until recently when I was able to come to terms with my abuse. all that to say thanks for being so explicit in your condemnation of that behavior
And this is why I want to be a gentle black parent.
My grandmother would say the same thing about beating kids is "discipline" and not abusive. I will never get over of how my daddy would hurt me and my brothers if we don't act right.
First one that comes to mind is Sisko from Star Trek Deep Space 9. He ought to be a blueprint for how to be a loving parent.
My grandma still believes parents are entitled to respect, even if they don't respect you. 🤦🏿♀️ I get that me and my mother don't get along, but that didn't mean I respect her less. We just have communication problems. As for whooping kids, I grew up with those, too. As a result, I grew up being afraid of making mistakes and beating myself up whenever I messed up. 😢
BTW they did something similar in the loud house where Lincoln was kicked out the house for having "bad luck" which was superstitious nonsense his sister Lynn brought up. And they didn't just throw him out, they sold his furniture. And im pretty sure the fairly odd parents done it tons of times.
I was once locked out. I was mad over a sock and throwing a tantrum as a little 7 year old. Instead of parenting, they threw me out and I walked home.
My cousin was too once, and it was probably my fault. He was lighting candles in a safe manner and I got scared of the fire. Instead of telling me it’s okay and that candles aren’t that bad, they threw him out. My uncle then came over to beat my dad up and pin dad’s new girlfriend (uncles ex wife, it’s messed up) to the wall. I remember crying in an office chair while dad called the police.
Did he do sexual things to her? Or yell at her
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Bit of a personal question, not gonna lie
@@tourmelion9221 nothing sexual, just justified violence
Not your fault, you were a kid. Not really the uncles fault either because thats his baby boy, who knows what kind of monsters are out there.
@@mistahgamer sorry, I was confused as to what you meant by pin to the wall, there's a sexual meaning to that in some places
My grandpa would do this to my Mother when she was a teen. Also physical abusè as well. My mom grew up to have terrible mental problems 🎉🎉🎉. Please don't do this to your child
I am a black/POC specific of Caribbean descent. I have had a similar incident occur in my household various times but specifically two incidents were the most impactful. I remember being in middle school and going to study with a group of girls in a local library. I was aware at the time that these were the *cool kids* and they had much more time to be outside and be familiar with the neighborhood. I wasn’t allowed outside much and although it was partially for safety reasons it was also a way of my mothers controlling dynamic. She can be considered narcissistic abusive and would often have violent outbursts. When I noticed the girls were taking longer to leave the library more than what I was allowed to be out by I began to panic as I truly didn’t know how to walk home by myself from that area and the route we took. When I got home my mother proceeded to give me a speech about how “fast” I was and that I was with boys although surprise I was not into guys then and I also genuinely didn’t know how to go home. Regardless of the reason as to why I was late it was completely wrong for her to lash me with a hot pot spoon that she was cooking with that left massive welts over my arm. I wore selves during that school season for the rest of spring/summer.
The last incident of this abuse occurred when I was in college and was 21 I got a job that required me to be out past curfew. I recall asking for permission to go out the night before where yet again I was told I was “fast” and was verbally berated. I dropped the subject immediately and went to bed. The next day I got ready for class and let her know I would be an hour behind coming back from class as I had to complete a task for work. I gave her the location information of my supervisors and anything needed at the time so she wouldn’t jump to conclusion as she did. She verbally berated me yet again and it caused us to have an argument where I was told to not return home that night. I spent the night with a friend who knew of my mother’s ways and was given the advice to find safety as she saw how worse her behavior got over the years. When I came back home the next day, I came back to the chain on the door and my belongings in garbage bags. I was told to get out. I took my belongs and never returned. That night caused me to end up in an unsafe living situation where I was powerless and faced many years of emotional, mental, and physical pain from that point on in my life. Years after I was contacted by my mothers husband at that time and my grandparents who would sneak around to contact me acknowledge the behavior but not speak on it as fear of agitation. It was so upsetting to see that everyone knew about her abuse and faced it for themselves at times but would sneak around to be in touch with me and not confront it. I recall when her husband called me at one point he told me to call in the evening as he would be at work then so she wouldn’t know we were in contact. This all occurred almost 8 years ago.
Today I am 29 turning 30 next month, mentally, physically and emotionally further in my healing journey. I live a sober lifestyle and am a small business owner with a platform that focuses on life coaching using energy healing and spiritual modalities so that people can empower themselves and feel uplifted. I am so grateful I never looked back from this moment in life. I completely agree this is 100% wrong no matter what race, but I acknowledge the experience as a black/ POC person how unhealthy a household dynamic like this can be for a young girl of colour as we can internalize the abuse and begin to think we have to continue to live in fear and perpetuate the abuse and violence that we see within our communities at times. This dynamic taught me to allow other people to be in power of me and I took toxic behavior and unhealthy dynamics in friendships and other interactions as normal for a long time as I wasn’t taught what it was to resolve conflict or even identify abuse from home. I was taught no one will bat an eyelash and you are alone. Please our next generation, let us not do this to our youth as we have a responsibility to show love and compassion. I wish everyone who has faced anything like this immense love and to continue to stand up for themselves and step forward in there healing journey. Continue to prioritize your safety and well being no matter what capacity as you truly do matter and it is the first step in gaining control over your life and true autonomy over yourself. Peace and much love to you all❤️🙏🏾
Nobody is going to read shit dude.
Like abuse as you described doesn't affect other races of children and young adults and people as you described for yourself.
@@no_one_211 what are you talking about? No one is safe from being abused, especially animals. If you’re here to be an @$$ to be people who suffered, leave.
When me and my brother were watching this episode we were completely appalled!
As The Proud Family has kind of solidified itself as a cartoon made by and for black people, I was personally surprised at the fact that they were treating this behavior as if it were normal, especially since there’s been a lot of talk as of late about how stuff like this is considered a “black” thing and why it’s just bad.
I was hoping that Sugar Mama would be surprisingly loving and supportive considering how in the episode about Maya’s dads she had a whole “that’s outdated thinking” type of vibe when talking about Oscar’s weird behavior. Would’ve been nice and subversive, considering how Sugar Mama’s generation is the one mainly responsible for the normalization of this kind of abuse.
Also kind of weird how the moment after she gets injured she’s legit terrified that Penny’s going to try to get some kind of revenge for the way she’s been treating her (almost as if she knew that what she was doing was awful and 100% grounds for getting revenge)
It’s stuff like this that’s especially hard to undo since just about everyone thinks it’s normal. My brother was a school bus driver fairly recently and for some type of sensitivity class when the topic of child abuse came up, the lesson literally said to consider the ethnicity the kids family came from because “different families discipline their kids in different ways”. It’s so weird how bad this is getting ingrained as normal, and specifically for US!
>the lesson literally said to consider the ethnicity the kids family came from because “different families discipline their kids in different ways”.
Holy shit, that sensitivity class sounds racist af. Who thought THAT was a good idea?
@@MadameSomnambule it’s been a while so I can’t remember it perfectly, but it was for sure a class on how to spot child abuse. My brother used to drive for little kids, maybe 3-10 y/o, so it was 100% about spanking. I can’t imagine an “inclusive” school actually saying to look out for specific ethnicities, so that was probably just the vibes I got when my brother was telling me all that stuff.
But even if that, saying “you should watch out for this behavior unless it’s coming from certain groups of people” is dangerously vague when talking about child abuse! Where’s the line that the drivers and teachers are supposed to look out for? Some parents say things like “yeah I smack my kids behind, but I would never use a ruler on them”, others will say “I use a ruler, but I would never use a belt” and more would say “I use a belt, but I would never use a switch!”
No one has an agreed on line for what’s the difference between discipline and abuse, so I think it’s safe to say you should report when it comes to any sort of hitting a child!
It legitimately threw me to see how Suga Mama kept comparing Penny to Oscar as a punishment especially when you see Oscar’s bed with the scratches. Watching the reboot made me realize how abuse and favoritism runs through this family. 😢
@MadameSomnambule The white saviors and their darker skinned abuse- lovers preach that stuff.
"Now the school district needs you to understand that if you see a white kid getting abused by their parents, you have to report it. But if the kid is brown, ignore it, it's just " cultural" and we might get sued for trying to get involved. 🙄
The sad part is I knew this kind of stuff was going to appear in the new show because it was in the past show, one of my main gripes was how Penny was constantly and unnecessarily parentified, somehow her siblings were always her responsibility so the adults could go play. I had hoped and prayed the creator/writers grew from the past but they're "Old school" so this is the mindset a lot of our community still has. I knew immediately when they revealed Dijonay's new design, after countless videos discussing how she was written and treated in the first series only to change the design AFTER people got upset, that I didn't need to watch it. Seeing scenes like this, the way Penny's friends are still shitty towards her, and making Penny MORE boy crazy or """fast""" as they call it, just disappointed me. They really had a chance to do better and make an amazing show we really needed as positive representation but it's honestly almost worse than the original. It did do a few things better like fixing the Chang triplets by not making them into a racist stereotype but god I'm so tired.
this whole reboot has been toxic behavior after toxic behavior. The original had some pretty toxic behavior but it wasn't as outward as it is in the reboot.
I grew up in an area where this type of parenting is common. The amount of girls I knew in HS who were having sex with GROWN MEN in exchange for a safe place to sleep was too damn many.
Oh my god. THIS!!
You have no idea how many people I come across that UNIRONICALLY think physically abusing a child is normal.
SO many people make comments like “I can tell ur white” when I comment on the fact hurting a child as discipline is normal. It seriously makes me start to disdain asian families in general because that’s where people say it’s “normal”.
I don’t care about the color of people’s skin, but I will NEVER like *anything* associated with child abuse, and associating something so terrible with a skin color is just racism.
Sometimes I find myself having a small prejudice against asian parents in general because of this association that asian parents abuse and treat kids terribly, and I immediately remind myself that’s wrong and stop myself, but that can tell you this type of thing is NOT okay. It’s producing so bad of a stereotype.
I have a special hatred for anyone who abuses a child, especially in a day and age where a simple google search tells you it’s bad.
Y’all stay safe out there, and remember children and living and breathing human beings too. 🙏 ❤
Yeah you gotta be white bro.
You probably let your kids do some wild shit and wonder why they become menaces to society.
7:40 As someone who was spanked as a kid let me say that there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between that & locking your kid outside! (I don't condone spanking your children.) With a spanking the parent at least has eyes & ears on the kid as opposed to locking a kid outside where the parent has no idea where they are. While all the notes about human predators that come out at night are valid there is also the danger of nature. Most cities in the US & Canada (don't know about the rest of the world) have sizable populations of raccoons, foxes, & stray/feral dogs. All of these are more active at night & potentially dangerous to kids if they aren't careful. Not to mention that depending on the climate &/or time of year hypothermia is also a real danger. While hypothermia is most likely at very cold temperatures, it can occur even at cool temperatures (above 40°F) if a person becomes chilled from rain, sweat, or submersion in cold water.
Sad confession but my mother pulled this shit on me MULTIPLE times as a kid. It's sad how many videos I come across that describe something my mother would do and explicitly states it's abusive, and still knowing how much she tried to gaslight me into believing it was normal parenting and something I made her do somehow because of my behavior. I feel like her face should be the image you find first when you google "psycho mom"
I had paedagogy/psychology class in 2004 at age 19. Was very funny to learn how certain things my mother had done were officially bad things to do with/to your children.
Psychology isn’t an exact science it’s all theoritical
I had a friend who missed curfew because she was working and she missed the bus so she had to get a ride from a co-worker but even though she tried explaining to her parents why she was late they didn't care wouldn't let her in so she stayed at friends house for a couple of days her parents called the police because she was missing for weeks but it took them three days to realize that their daughter was no where to be found they thought she was sleeping in the back yard in the shed with the dog 🤦♀️
wtf, what did the police do?
Let's just say her parents got in a lot of trouble, when they locked her out it was like super cold and raining outside also she didn't have to walk or take a bus her parents could have picked her up they just didn't want too also her dad attacked her because she refused to come home so he was arrested she was sent to go live with her aunt and uncle her parents were being investigated by CPS and the police we were like 16/17 when this all happened
There was a case like this in the news a while back- the teen that got locked out got raped and murdered... for the crime of *missing curfew*
Horrible…just awful
I actually was spanked and turned out fine, but that doesn't mean I wish that for anyone else. I know my mom loves me and cares about me, she was just stressed as a single mom and didn't know any better. She did apologize many times now that I am an adult, but please dont hit your kids, its not the right way to parenting.
Theres really nothing wrong with spanking,there's other factors that go into a person who was spanked having mental and emotional issues
@@HeartEllisi didn’t grow up with spanking or physical abuse. but my coping mechanisms sure did get fucked and my undiagnosed adhd being masked or turned into humor for most of my early life lead to enough panic attacks. even with pretty good parents and a safe community in comparison to what others experienced in this comment section i still got screwed over and luckily my mum is a lot better so i just got figure out how to cope better and self loathe less in a daily basis. can’t imagine the agony others have to go through in astronomically worse childhoods.
@@HeartEllishitting your kids is abuse. There is no excuse to hit your kids.
@@fandomtrash7505agree to disagree
@@MariokibmibYT can’t really agree to disagree when there are literal studies done that say hitting your kids does more harm then good. It’s been found that it can leave a long lasting negative impact on the kid and stays with them for their life. It has also been shown it can lead to mental health problems down the line. So when your hit your kids all you are doing is setting them up for failure.
This is actually how a lot of human trafficking cases happen.
On another note, another episode made up the claim that “black people can’t be racist.” The writers apparently haven’t heard of Kanye West’s recent antics.
As someone who is also unfamiliar with the proud family, I saw the title and thought “how bad can it be?”
Oh wow, I was so wrong.
This literally gave me flashbacks of the times where I was locked out of the house at nighttime either in the backyard or the front yard and I would just cry until I was finally let back in
Literally why would anyone add this scene into a show it's never ok to be putting your child through any of that stress
9:45 currently huddled up in my room at 1 am looking at old photos with my dad who my mom won’t let me see and won’t until I move out knowing I’ll be stuck with a mother who gaslights, screams at me over tiny mistakes, and tries to sabotage everything when my life starts looking up… you have no clue how much I needed to hear that
What I'm really wondering is why is Oscar acting like he's Penny's older brother? I mean you're also her parent, you can make the decisions too. So you're so scared of your wife that you're too afraid to talk to or help your own daughter(more than/not the bus fare thing) when your wife's around??
That's one of those annoying sitcom tropes you see around. The man is always scared of angering his wife--even when the wife is being irrational.
As a black girl myself I can say that I have seen my fair share of families(not just black ones) do things like this to their children and it’s not and has never been okay. And the worst thing is that Trudy didn’t even try to talk to Penny before immediately locking her out of the house.
When i was 4-6 i had really bad anger issues and i would get mad over everything so my mom decided to lock me outside for like 20 mins and it was pitch black i was scared of the dark lmao
I am so sorry that this had to happen to you, especially as a kid. Why do parents even do this thing OMFG.
i think i used to get locked in the bathroom for similar reasons. not abusive probably but still terrifying to like, a 3 year old lol. i had a shit concept of time, like a dog, so i just assumed i would be there for all eternity lmao
In a sea of very unfortunate stories here’s a locked out story that happened to me to at least lighten the mood
So one time me and my dad were going home from a day at a pool and nobody else was currently at home and he realized that he forgot his keys and we had no way to get inside
After a short time of brainstorming he decided to just break the back glass door with a hammer so we can get back inside
He got it fixed afterwards so it was never really a big deal
One time I accidentally locked myself out of my aunt's house in the middle of the night so I just went to sleep in the car and scared the shit out of my grandpa when I sat up in the backseat when he jumped in the driver's for a smoke in the morning.
I'm so glad I was never raised in a household like that. My dad was a douche and wasn't in my life but my mom is amazing.
Imagine locking your kid outside the house, fucking imagine, it makes me so mad to think about reading those examples of it happening to other people
My mom and grandma left the house (grandma lived with us) for different things (doctors appointment and bank visit), I got home to find myself locked out without a phone. My mom, who realized she wouldn't be back in time, called the police to get to the house and make sure I was safe. I was sitting there for less than 10 minutes when a cop car pulled up, that's how fast my mom was. After that my mom had another key made and talked me through what to do if something like that happened again, or if I lost my key, etc. It was a learning experience for both of us and we both grew because of it.
Imagine being so fucking petty to lock your kids outside at NIGHT and just assume they'll be okay, and then you have a Proud house episode that doesn't even call Trudy out for being an awful mother
It's really fucking abysmal how normalized abuse is. I mean, seeing Penny going through this is just making me have my own personal flashbacks and making me think back to all the crap the Fairly Oddparents had with Timmy getting mistreated, straight neglected, and abused by his parents, his godparents, every adult in his life, Tootie and Vicky.
This scene of Penny Proud being deliberately locked out of her house by her own mother, along with the whole fiasco that came out of Primos proves that Disney believes that any publicity is good publicity.
2:36 “Ozzie’s Heart Nipple” 💀
If you haven't seen this show back in its first seasons (I grew up with this show) you'd see it doesn't get much better. While this example is a bit more extreme, Penny constantly is put on an emotional rollercoaster by her family and even closest friends. This show bullies Penny so much, and since watching it as an adult, I don't think any children should be taking lessons from it. As one example, Penny's friends are extremely wishy-washy with her, I don't think she has a single loyal friend whatsoever. All of them eventually turn on her for sake of popularity or some other sort of gain- even her own parents will ignore her, put her second or otherwise mistreat her in many episodes. And what do we learn? "That's life! Suck it up!"
As a mixed Muslim girl (black and brown I'm Somali) this is inexcusable behavior not to mention haram in my religion child abuse will NEVER be okay I've never been abused myself but I had a friend who was dealing with child neglect and depression and swerslide thoughts and social anxiety and I felt so bad for her I hope she feels better as I'm not friends with her anymore anyways have a beautiful day! 😊🌸
Despite everything I've been through with my parents, I'm immensely blessed and grateful my mom never had the nerve to lock me out of the house.
I remeber watching that scene and not only hating on it because of the child abuse, but also because it was soo out of charrater. Trudy would never do something like that, she would have talked to her daughter to see why she hasn't been doing her homework. NOT LOCK HER OUT!! I don't even think Oscar would do that! The reboot just put the black mama stereotype on trudy so it would seem more relatable. But, they whole point of the proud family was that not all black families are like the stereotypes. That Black families can be loving and caring. I guess the reboot just forgot about that.
You should watch Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. Lunella’s family is really caring and the way the writers tackle serious issues are very graceful. There’s even better LGBTQ and disability representation.
I feel like the new Proud Family reboot just handles every subject horribly.
Are we gonna ignore how Trudy and Oskar made Penny bring her own SIBLINGS TO WORK OSKAR IS BASICALLY UNEMPLOYED LIKE WHY SHE FINALLY GOT A JOB FOR A CELEBRITY it literally boiled my blood.
I can’t blame penny if she never wants to see her family again cause what Trudy did was just flat out wrong 😡
When I was 8, my mom threw me out because I said some really really nasty stuff to my dad, and even though I was out for only one hour (the time to calm down and "realize my errors"), it made me me scared of my mom forever.
Now I'm older and I know she didn't truly throw me out, she just wanted me to reflect on my actions, but in my little head at the time, I was convinced she had thrown me out.
Remember, anything you do will impact a child's life.
Ngl, It didn't hit me how messed up it was for my parents to lock my sisters and I out of the house because of curfew until this. I had been avoiding the new Proud Family because I heard it doesn't fix many of its past issues, and I think I'm sticking to it. Why would they have Suga Momma waving a belt at Penny and having her look so terrified?
The Proud Family reboot is Hood Stereotypes the animated series
Oh my god. I’m so sorry this happened to all of you.
If my parents did that to me, I would NEVER forgive them!
I KNEW something was wrong with this episode! I was so confused when I didn't like it! I was excited to see an episode with Suga Mama (apologies if I'm spelling that wrong!) but this was not it. Not at all. Thanks for making this video and helping me realize! I've grown up being taught that this stuff is normal and to be expected from parents, I appreciate problems like this being brought to light. Thank you, I really enjoyed the video!
Finally! Someone who discusses this topic in a civil manner. Screw the proud family reboot
I believe the entirety of the proud family is garbage. Considering this is from the early 2000s, it did have noticeable flaws when it came to diverse representation as well as addressing serious topics. Static Shock is way better and ahead of its time.
@@SodaCider641 oh yes! Dude, I completely Agree with that statement. Static Shock did topics way better in a calm and civil manner without shoving it in your faces
@@TheEggPaladin there’s also Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. Another good show with great writing!
@@SodaCider641 I tihnk i've heard of that, isn't that the cartoon with a black girl who's a hero and has a Dinosaur as a sidekick...or am i an idiot? LMAO😂
Anyone also feel like that this is so out of character for Penny’s parents?? In the original, they would NEVER do that to her
@@dragonninjaghostgirl7981 shut up that term is stupid
This was my childhood sadly. I would run away from my parents because of how harsh and strict they were with me. I often envy my friends who had supportive parents. It’s hard to imagine having that growing up.
No abuse of every kind should be normalised seek help
God I'm glad other ppl feel off about this ep because I used to get kicked out all the time by my parents and my aunt if I had an attitude with them or failed in a class
I was a kid that used to get spanked by both parents for the tiniest of things not being done, I remember when I found out that spankings are not supposed to be a normal way of discipline, and I always said I would never ve like my parents doing that to a child and I still stand by that, I would never spank my child if they did something wrong, they'd be grounded and talked with
Something to give abusive parents nightmares, the shivers down their spines.
Animation is revenge and paints an enormous, dark picture around us.
I never thought I’d find myself hating Trudy more than Oscar because in the original, she was much more likable for her calm and level-headed demeanor.
A part of me likes to think that her character was ruined by the writers’ stupidity and their own personal agendas.
Even Trudy from the OG Proud Family would be disgusted and appalled by seeing herself endangering her child’s life as punishment over something so small😭😬
I would love to see their Interaction with each other in fanfiction for course
also thr "thia country was built on slavary" rap
that alone was enough to think of stopping the show for racially deviding everyone, now I'm definitly on the Ban this show off the air train.
also no, capitalism is not the problem with modern media, media will do what it wants to do to get more money and it isn't always ethical.
meanwhile in every other known system (socialism, communism, marxism, fascism, authorianism and whatever else you can throw out)
all media is extremely controlled by the goverment which doesn't care what will be pushed out unless it's following their message.
the problem is the corruption inside the human heart and mind and it's not one we can truly forever solve with all attemps being temporary at best, while i don't know the solution i know just "CaPiTaLiSm BaD, Go (insert proposed ideology here)" is not a solution as well and might end up more detrimental then helpful as switching up to an (insert system here) would just centralize the media so there will be no other compatition.
at least with disney today there is a murder dround to a proud family
When I was a kid (9-10), my mom couldn't afford to pay the rent when it was just me and her, so she made friends with pure strangers at the beach, and we moved in with them. They had a kid that was younger than me, so I had to take care of her 24/7 and I didn't even know who she was. She was a brat and always got me in trouble for things she did. At the time, my mom was the only person to be working a job out of the 4 adults that were there. So, when she went to work, all the adults would band together and lock me outside all day everyday with no food or water in 110-degree weather. They'd make the little girl stay inside and play with all her toys and watch tv. Until my mom would get home and they made me shower. Almost every time I went to shower one of the male adults would sexually assault me, I didn't know better since I was so young, so I said nothing. I'd be an hour late for dinner and had to eat the leftovers, the female adult would punch me in the gut and would make me lay on the floor if I ate the rest of the food. It was a while till my mom noticed me becoming overly skinny. Until a hurricane finally swept out everything we had, and we parted from the crazy strangers. Although it hasn't stopped. When we went to live in a different apartment, my mom still couldn't afford rent and by this time she was dating the female adult's brother. He was weird and I always thought something was wrong about him, but my mom was so in love she didn't realize. He would go behind her back and go out at night, I never knew where. About a year into the relationship, he proposed to my mom, and she said yes, not even a week after the proposal he tried to kill me by smashing my head into a door multiple times before my mom jumped on his back and wrestled him for 10 minutes. During the 10 minutes I managed to get out covered in blood and dizzy screaming for someone to call 911. My mom got out just as the cops came. And he went to jail, the next day his mom bailed him out. But being 10-11 experiencing that was horrid for me. Now I don't know how to trust people.
wow. thats really, really bad abuse
your mother is pretty abusive too if she's forcing you to live with someone who LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL YOU??? i dont know all the context though
What you went through was truly horrifying, and I'm so sorry that happened to you.
There's so much wrong with the proud family, both then and now. Child abuse, colorism, misogynoir, etc. I watched it as a kid but had no interest in watching it after, and I'm glad I didn't.
And nostalgia doesn’t shield the show from criticism
Even the proud family movie makes me cringe, because Penny Proud's father told her that she's not allowed to turn 16. She could have filed for legal emancipation from her parents.
Not to mention the episode where they said black people cant be racist. I guess were just gonna ignore all the black on asian hate then
I think there is Also a scene in the proud family that says "you can't be racist to white people"
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There was a line in the show where she says “black people can’t be racist” no anyone can be racist
Whats really sad is that my mom's dad DID do this. If you weren't home by curfew, he locked you out. My mom was scared enough to always be here on time, but her brothers often had to sleep in the garage. My mom said it happened a lot.
4:55 I Died Laughing
Honesty, I think it didn't get as much backlash because there just aren't as many adult viewers. It was supposed to be nostalgia bait, but after shows like Velma had shit ratings, it might just be fatigue.
I can't believe people think what the dad did was okay. I don't have kids or a husband but I know that my child comes before anything and he could yell at me all he wants about it but if my child is getting out than so am I
This is such a toxic episode and the fact that people didn't start talking about it until recently is crazy! The entirety of the 2nd season of 'The Proud Family: Louder And Prouder' was released several months ago!
The princess party episode was bad enough! The fact that Disney, Bruce W Smith, the actors, and everyone else involved thought that this was okay is absolutely appalling, and Disney needs to retcon this episode as being a nightmare that Penny had! The problem is not just that Trudy abused Penny in this episode, but also that Suga Mama abused her too!
"I don't give a single cinnamon toast fuck...". 🤣
maybe people didn’t talk about the Grandma’s hands episode because i think people felt like “oh, it’s just like the vibes of the the loud house episode “no such luck”, obviously”
@@gerardgarcia8501 What the hell are you talking about and what the hell does it have to do with this?!
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it’s weird that when grandma’s hands aired in disney plus for the first time, a few people are talking about it
@@gerardgarcia8501 🤦♂️ What's 'Grandma's Hands' and what does it have to do with this?
@@Optimegatrongodzilla
It’s that proud family louder and prouder child abuse episode, i mean, it’s like no such luck from the loud house because it’s child abuse
I love video essays like this, ones that show how media can convey certain subjects that can either be dealt with Great ways or awful ways, depending of how you write and present it. Many people don't realize how Media like this can really give new perspectives to someone's mind. However, when you indirectly mention possibility of kidnapping and r#$e in your show, that's a whole nother can of very disturbing worms
7:02 also higher density of people means higher potential of messed up people
Average parent tactic to make your grades better is make you feel horrible and deny you basic needs sometimes
The original series was a gem. The new series is racist as fuck and doesn't even realize it.