2017 Kawasaki Z900 Review
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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So many riders have been smoking the Yamaha FZ-09 (MT-09 Euro) that Kawasaki decided to roll some of that action. We sample some Z900 so you can make an informed decision.
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Love your description of how you are seated on the bike including your reach, the feel of your reach to foot position to your shoe size! Excellent! Thank you.
I own a Z900 and this review is one of the best I've ever seen. The setup of the bike is how Dave show in the video. With a bit adjustment you can get more out of your bike for this value.
BEST bike learning video ever! Best 8min 38sec (x2) i have spent this week.
one of the best z900 reviews even without riding the bike!!! nice work! you should have changed rebound and showed how it would have worked after that.
we are not allowed to change settings from Factory so no tools on any bikes...... That being said it would have been interesting to see where the range of the adjuster works and how effective it is.
you are not allowed to change setting..... FUCK THAT SHIT! You already changed them by checking the adjustability range. You may as well see what would happen within the adjustability range and then return settings to factory shit.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. You have a point, for sure. When we walk into a dealership we're walking a fine line. The bikes are not demo bikes. Checking the settings "feels" like something a prospective customer might do. Changing them (especially shock preload) and then doing a bunch of bounce testing bleeds into demo territory. We push the envelope just checking the settings at all. But I agree with you, and we'll look at trying to do more in the future. We have a 2 Clicks Out episode coming soon with a 2017 Ducati SuperSport demo bike where we do what you suggest.
You should push the envelope even more and reveal all compromises manufacturers are making while trying to create "the perfect chassis" for every rider.
Same goes for the 765 Triumph video. You show the stock settings and what's wrong with them. Wouldn't it be nice to show how easily it could be almost perfect with just a few turns on damper adjusters...
Agreed Miika. If dealerships would let me do this, I wouldn't hesitate to do so. Given the 2 Clicks Out track tuning videos, we "catch" these bikes on the other side to share the dial in settings that way per owner. I can ask dealerships if we can do this and in some cases I am sure we will be able to, but in others there may well be a wall in place so we can ask for permission to find the right settings and then put them back to showroom.
I just purchased a 2020 z900 and its possibly the best bike I've ever owned. It does everything pretty much just right. I have owned and put on the track everything from 650 Triumph twins to contemporary liter bikes. This bike gets it just right. That sweet spot where it wheelies, off throttle alone, yet somehow gracefully never too high. You'll think your schwantz. Handles like a charm, brakes as its should, and tbh just a darn easy bike to ride. Love the thing. At $9,000 out the door when compared to other bikes in the 1000cc'ish realm its a bit of a bargain. All I can say its this, if your wrestling with the idea of a naked for the comfort... Buy it. If your on something with a bit more HP and worried about "power".. Buy it. Its makes the same torque fellers, you'll be equal happy. And if your wrestling with the idea of just not sucking anymore and being more awesome at shit... Buy it. Lol things super fun, easy af to ride, and just going to make you a better rider. Buy one and I promise you'll live it AND suck less !
I totally agree. These guys put $1500 into the suspension , then sell it. I have a black and blue '22 Z and love it. Most guys aren't good enough t take advantage of all the upgrades. These bikes are excellent in every way, except 2 up.
Hell,,, Ive learned So much from you since ive started watching your videos (Obsessively) my fiance knows your voice because anytime im working on my street triple she can hear your voice at some point in the process.. Ive been riding/racing over 14 yrs now and i must say thank you very much for sharing your knowledge and experience...KeepSafe Dave Thanks and Cheers from Canada,,,, EH!!!!
Thanks for being willing to improve your knowledge and skills Derek and I appreciate your support of what we are doing for riders all over this great planet of ours!
The best reviews. Keep doing them.
Hey Dave i had the privledge of meeting you here in New Zealand a couple years back at a trackday you setup my gsxr750 for me perfectly. Question im 117kg (257 lb's) and i really like these z900's but im wanting to know will i nees to spend a fortune on suspention to get this thing to handle ? Will it handle my weight ? You didnt have really much good to say about the front end ......... I just like my bikes to be setup with good suspention and i really like the look of this bike but im abit put off etc, please shed some light on it for me
Great review, you didn’t even need to ride the bike to give a ton of real-world idea of what it’s like to ride the bike
Hi,
When u say for us 120-150. Preload remove is that all the way out? Like softest or hardest?
And spoke about rebound 4 clicks in, from stock or?
Did you figure it out?
I have the exact same question.
❤z900 best for short riders and all riders as well.......very awesome bike
Sooraj K.M. I’m 5’7, you think it fits me? I ride z1000 before but it was heavy and i kinda skinny guy back then. Going to dealer tomorrow for z900
So true, excellent bike for shorter riders. I'm so tired of hearing reviews from tall riders saying this bike is "cramped". One bike that's close to a liter bike that shorter riders can fit and all these complaints. So funny :-) ha ha ha...
True!!!
@@tronghieudesign89 it will fit yiou, the seat is low and the bike is mall for size
I'm 70kg/154pound...the front looks like a butter, how many clicks do u recommend?
just a couple to start
This a far more substantive review of the suspension than anything from the typical motorcycle magazines. Also, what do you know about the new MT-09 suspension vs the Z900? I'm kind of torn between the two bikes. The old FZ-09 suspension was supposedly horrible for technical riding and I was hoping that this would be more oriented to technical riding with its more sporty rider position. But your demonstration now has me doubting that; and now with the improved MT-09 suspension which also has compression damping, I'm now very lost. And due to my location, I definitely wouldn't be able to find any technical roads during a small test ride, nore would I want to push a bike, that I don't own, like that. So, if you could help me out with understanding the differences between the two bike's suspension capabilities, I would be very appreciative.
So this bikes stock suspension will not accommodate a 196 lb rider without gear? Need to change fork oil,spring? Trying to find a bike that would accommodate me without any or minimal mods? Any suggestions? Thanks.
what a great video, thank you for sharing your knowledge!
I'll also add the front rebound adjuster basically does nothing haha. You can put it all the way in and there's still way too much rebound. The rear shock's rebound actually makes some difference and you can play with it a little bit.
Wow , I'm 200 pounds ...and it's doing exactly what you said, front jumping and rear hard like hell ... I'm playing with suppension setting and it's an experimentation (I'm no expert at all) ... for sure if you were near me I will have come see ya, but for now any suggestion of setting ?
Seriously the best review so far
hello dave my weight is 190 pounds what regulation you recommend me for the front and rear suspension? thank you and greetings from spain
You would set sag at 35mm for the front and 30mm for the rear, then set rebound in the middle of adjustment and work each adjuster clockwise in .5 turns increments to find the stability you need.
hy i have this bike but whit ohlins suspension (z900se ) and idk how make a good setup for me ...:( i have 98 kg what i need to do ?
Set rider plus static sag = total sag at 33% of the total travel eg: 40-45mm of 120mm travel. Set compression at 50% of the total range eg: 22=11, then set rebound at recommended settings to start. Assess fork and shock travel used to amend preload as needed.
How those forks works? Are they worse than the usual forks when you have both legs adjustable? I'm wondering when all the adjusters are in one fork and the other one is non-adjustable how it works...
Think of it as a balancing act. Compression in one leg and rebound in the other, or spring in one leg and damping in the other. The most important part IMHO is that oil level in both legs be the same volume.
Kawasaki must really be detuning bikes before you get them - never uncovered these “issues” anywhere before. Impressive stuff. Hope it brings you a lot of business.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. It's not just Kawi's. I've been filming suspension with Dave Moss for over 12 years. While manufacturers must choose a body type and weight of rider to aim the suspension setup at, it is astonishing how many bikes are utter suspension disasters off the showroom floor. And all manufacturers have been guilty. Who at Kawi engineered that fork valving with that weight oil such that it pogo's stoned cold on the showroom? Heat the fork oil up a bit with a brisk ride on a hot day and the thing will become a rodeo ride. Yet the average rider doesn't know any better. How would they? When was the last time you read a bike review that even mentioned the suspension, much less spoke coherently about how and why to adjust it? 99% of all handling issues described in magazine and blog bike tests are caused by bad suspension like this Kawi, or good suspension but set for somebody of a drastically different body weight. In a comparo between the Z900 and the FZ(MT)-09, the FZ might come out on top simply because it's not pogoing down the road as you ride. Solve that and the Z900 might just be the better handling bike and more fun to ride. Here's a Kawi from 10 years ago. feelthetrack.com/2008-kawasaki-zx-10-stock-suspension-evaluation/
great review pls make more reviews like these.
Great review and recommendations, will email you with some questions, so do you think a set of flat bars will be better, also the suspension mods you recommend will discuss and follow your recommendations, Great feedback
Yes, flatter straighter bars can make a huge difference.
Thank you Dave
How tall are you my guy? I’m 6ft so idk if this bike is too small cause everyone who reviews says they’re 5’9 or something near it
I an 5' 9". You can make this work by moving the bars forward slightly and resetting the lever angles and reach. Make sure you change the shifter angle.
I've got a 2020 same color and LOVE it!!!!
I am 180lbs and curious when you say firm the back up, do I turn pre-load to shorten spring so there is more threads showing at top?
Yes and then go the other way just to define what you need verses projecting what you think is right. Same would be true of adding and removing compression.
This was super informative. Thank you!
As a consumer and since bikes are built to a price point, what should I put the highest priority on the bike having to start with: ergos ,engine, or suspension?
engine because ergos and suspension are easily modified. Engine is not I guess.
Dave, can i install a center stand on z900, looks like not yet. but with some mods, installation of center stand is possible? thx
I'm sure that would be possible if you can find an excellent fabricator and a center stand currently available to transplant.
Dear Dave, thanks for your videos. My new Z900 2021, I am about 250lbs. Front: 28mm static, 41mm driver | rear: 15mm static, 47mm driver. Can I increase the preload at the rear or do I have to use a new spring with 115N? Should I also increase the preload at the front?
You can increase preload front and rear then set rebound correctly. Measure fork and shock travel used and add more preload if you reach maximum travel. When you are maximum preload ad you use all travel, then it is time for springs.
HI Dave. Do you know if they changed the settings a bit for the 2018 model? I will pick up one in March. Also what would be best road setting for 160 pounds ? Great channel BTW. Thanks.
I do not know if anything changed, so that would be a good idea to check in with the press release data points. They always do something, so it will be interesting to see what it will be.
Did you get a chance to check out the 2023 z900? Have they fixed these issues in the newer models?
I have not seen one yet! Hoping to get to see one in the next month as track days start this weekend as do my suspension tuning events.
Could you also do the new GSX-S750?
If we can find one we will :)
I have a 2024 Z900 it is a good motorcycle just wish it had more power, it leaves much to be desired. Makes me miss my Aprilia RSV1000R oh well you live and learn.
wow... own this bike since 2018, but have no idea how to proper set suspension. would be great to get some practical tips for my weight. thanks
In the full video I make suggestions for exactly that - settings for your weight
A thousand thanks, Dave. I just bought a Z900 and added preload to both front and rear. I'm 165 lbs with gear. I feel that the front dives too quick. So I think I'll try thicker oil. Regarding your comment to replace oil in the rebound leg (left), did you mean that is not necessary to replace the oil in the other leg as well? Wouldn't it be better to do both, or no? Thanks again.
You can use the new oil in the right and left leg. As am example with a Ducati Scrambler I ran 15w in the plain leg and 5w in the rebound leg so help both work similarly. The same would be true of the Z900 with 15w in the rebound leg and see what you are given via the manual for fork oil viscosity in the other leg.
I concede I still don't quite get it. Anyway, according to the dealership, the bike comes from the factory with KYB KHL15-10 fork oil. Since that is very light, I have hope that replacing it with thicker oil will slow down the compression. I'm thinking Silkolene PRO RSF 7.5wt or Motul Factory Line medium weight.
Update: I had a shop replace the water-thin factory oil with Motul Factory Line medium/10wt in both fork legs. When I rode the bike, the travel in the forks was very small--no more than half way, no matter what adjustment I made to the preload. So the shop removed 50cc of oil. Now it's perfect, with travel 2/3 down without an abrupt dive all at once (as with the factory oil). Rebound damping is decreased from the factory setting by, wouldn't ya know . . . two clicks out. :)
Thanks for being persistent and thorough! 2 clicks out? Really? :)
I'm 5'8" and 180 pounds. I think this bike would be awesome for me.
Currently, I have the Z750.
Pretty much yes. I am 6'1 with ~195 lbs and I am quite at the end of the scale. Still bought it and love it. :)
I'm 70kg /154bls , Can you help me set how many turn reload on front shock , how many click rebound on front shock . And how many turn rebound on rear shock . Thanks you about that
I can help you. Please email the answers to dave@davemosstuning.com 1. Year make and model 2.kms/miles on the odometer 3. Changes from stock for weight or gearing 4. Type of use: commute, weekends, aggressive street 5. Last fork oil service. 6. OEM shock or replacement 7. Make, model and sizes of tires
Dave Great Video. I own Z900 and I can underline all points you found. The handlebars are great but not perfect.
I‘m 90kg with gears and I changed the preload of the spring. 1cm at rear. Front 2 turns, same for the damper.
It drives much better in the corners but I’m testing a little bit more, may you have more hints?
Thanks for the kind words and getting to work with your bike to make it your own. Thicker fork oil for sure, 15w given your weight. Assess fork travel used by marking bottom out and be diligent about grip levels and duration when cornering. As rebound gets worse, you hold on longer and tighter.
Dave Moss Tuning I’m thinking about change the fork spring to some Hyperpro spring too. How do you think about?
I will install a zip tie at the front and measure everything. Rear the same. But it’s a mess that Kawasaki didn’t supply a wrench for the rear spring load!
From engineering perspective it’s not a nice design to have a spring in standard condition nearly with no pre load and a manual which states this as standard condition - for which driver? 50kg? Much more it can’t be cause the lighter driver can relax the spring more. I’m unsure if this suspension setup is really what Kawasaki developed...
Anyways the Z900 drives in stock condition very very nice and easy! I tested a lot of bikes before and no other was like the Z900.
You can change and stay with a porgressive design spring. Check how they make the springs progressive as per conical and/or spring coils narrowing/touching each other.
An eye opener 👍
Thanks, very informative
So if you're 220+ lbs then it means you can't do anything in the front. Is that what you mean? So no point buying this bike?
I actually test rode this a week back and did find it very comfortable with soft suspensions. Are we saying the sag settings recommended here are for the track or every day riding?
You can change springs, change oil and change geometry at a minimum. Therefore I am making a recommendation for you to consider what you can budget to make the improvements needed so the bike handles well for you. The suspension should always work in the middle 3rd of the stroke. The next piece of the puzzle is where and how you ride. If you ride "slow" and do not tax the suspension heavily, then the bike might meet your needs for plushness. The bottom line is realizing that suspension needs attenetion prior to purchase so you can budget accordingly.
I appreciate your efforts Dave, could you please recommend the type of oil, springs that needs to change for 220+ lbs? I am a noob at motorcycle world 😅
Thank you
I’m 5.2” would this bike be good for me, I’ve been told you can get lowering kits for this bike.
You can get a lowering kit for most bikes, and I usually recommend Soupy's: soupysperformance.com/ They make an excellent product that will allow you to lower the bike to exactly where you want it to be, then you need to change fork position to match.
Thanks for ur awesome body position explanation buddy 🤛
I'm getting a brand new 2019 model in a couple of weeks. This vid has wrecked my head a bit. In a good way though. I weigh 210 lbs without gear and am 6'2."
For my purposes, stock may do but I will rewatch this a fair few times after I get the bike, just to be sure. Cheers!
Set the sag to your weight and use the settings for rebound to assist. (ua-cam.com/video/dUnChNG7GmM/v-deo.html) Then consider getting your seat foam increased by 20-25mm to compensate for your height. That REALLY helps.
Gotten your hands on the 2020 version of this bike? If so, what are your thoughts? What'd you do to it first in terms of priority for a new purchase?
I have not unfortunately. As we are on lock down, I cannot get out to the dealerships to see new models.
@@catalystreactionsbw No worries, thanks for your reply. Stay safe brother.
Dave's antics were fairly entertaining.... lol
got any thoughts on the 2020 model, did anything substantial change with the suspension I cant find any info on it. I was looking to get a z900 but after watching this im worried, im a 135lbs rider ish and dont want to have to spend £1000 on a brand new bike to make it rid-able lol. My style would be spirited street riding and occasional track day.
You need 10w fork oil and you are set, nothing else needed. No idea on the 2020 vesrion - have not seen one.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks dude
Is there a 2 clicks out on this bike? I haven't seen one yet.
It would appear not. Just the 900RS. I will add this to the list for summer's filming schedule.
Hi Dave, I'm 5'3" 149 lbs with a 25" inseam, and considering buying a Z900.
I currently ride a 2011 GSX-R 750 That's been lowered 3" in the rear and 1" in the front. My bike seems to fit me well. But I want something more upright for longer trips. Do you think the Z900 would be a good option for me ? Or should I look at something else like a FZ09, GSX-S 1000, or CB1000R ? Thanks
The Z900 will suit you much better as the suspension is softer so given your weight this would be all around a better purchase. I'm not sure what you used to lower your 750, but I recommend Soupy Performance lowering links as they are turnbuckles verses drilled holes so you can lower as you want.
Dave Moss Tuning
Thanks for the quick reply Dave,
I had my bike lowered at the local Suzuki dealer when I first bought it. They used a PSR link that looks kinda like a tie rod so the adjustment range is infinite within it's length. I specifically asked them for this style incase I wanted to change it later. Looking back now, I probably could have lowered it less than I did. But I was a fairly new rider at the time, and had dropped it once at a stop sign on an angle.
I've also considered looking at an older Honda VFR 750/800, Kawasaki Ninja 1000, and the BMW touring bikes, like a K1200GT or 1150RT.
I like the power of my GSX-R.
Which of these do you think might be the best fit for me ? Still the Z900? Or maybe one of these ? I usually ride by myself, but sometimes my 13 year old son rides with me. He's only 80 lbs.
Thanks again,
Justin
VFR 750 would be a great fit Justin along with the Z900.
i agree with the handle bar issue.
Hey Dave, do you think this bike would be too small for a 6'3 person, 35'' inseam?
Given your height, maybe not, but given the 35" inseam, you will need rearsets that go back quite a distance or get the seat redone with much taller foam (3" higher).
Thank you very much for reply Dave!
hmm im so confused now. Planing on getting this bike next year but im 6.2 and 198 Pounds. I def. need to get some adjustments done to i think.
Yes you will need to get some adjustments made and it is as simple as moving the bars, levers and pegs to see if you can get comfortable. If not what do you need to replace? Budget that in :)
I ❤ your Suspension review on this bike. Have you done something similar on a 2016 Z 800 I just bought it, I’m 150 pounds
I have not created a video on that motorcycle. Assess travel used for the forks and shock to see how much travel is used. Fork ideal is 15-20mm from the base of the chrome tube and shock 3-4mm from the rubber bumper. There are videos for you to watch on these topics.
I’m 6’3, 210 lbs and this bike is absolutely murdering my body. I only got it a cpl weeks ago but it is not fun at all to ride for me unfortunately. Not sure what to do, other than to sought out a suspension tune in my city.
It’s murdering my upper back and my wrists/arms. The seating position, the bars, it’s clearly all wrong. Very frustrated to the point of just wanting another bike. Ugh
I can help you via Remote Tuning video 1-1. I created this for riders like yourself who are beyond frustrated so I can work with you step by step for ergonomics, suspension and geometry. Please email me dave@davemosstuning.com so I can send my questions to you.
@@catalystreactionsbw Wow really. Interesting. I will email you now 👍🏽
I own a 2016 Z1000. I think what happened was a bunch of people complained about how stiff the Showa SFF forks so Kawasaki decided to go for a cheaper and soft front. That probably saved them $2000. Personally I love the Showa SFF. It was easy to adjust comp, reb and preload with an allan wrench or flat head. The rear shock is good but with only preload and rebound. No compression. I'm 180lbs fully geared. The Z1000 is a great bike. The Z900 doesn't impress me at all. I'd rather buy the new Yamaha FZ09.
Thank you sifu!! You're the best!
2017 Kawasaki Z900 factory suspension adjustments' Review*
Great video Dave, thanks.
Dave that's an amazing video
I would love to hear about ducati xdiavel from you. I am planning to buy that bike n I have even gone for a test ride, it was good but riding position is quite awkward.
If you can please review on that it would be great!!.
Thank you
We will eventually get our hands on a Diavel and try to get all versions filmed. Yes, the position is different and takes time to adjust to but from all accounts is well worth the effort.
i already book z900 i take the test ride of both 900 &street triple s .but i find more powerful then triple s now whati do
Which bike fits you best as that is the most important criteria!
So I own this bike, but I’m 6’4 230lbs. How should I adjust this suspension?
First, measure sag as it is now. Next, mark fork bottom out for maximum travel. Then assess fork and shock travel used with cable tie and grease on the shock shaft. If you are at maximum travel go ahead and add preload to the fork and/or shock until you get travel to 15-20mm from the bottom of the fork and 2-3mm from the rubber bumper on the shock. Set rebound at maximum and count back 2-5 clicks and test when the suspension oil is hot. It is a process -- there is no one setting, just what YOU need for your bike.
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you!
Do you think at 150 lbs with gear stock is fine?
That weight would be ideal for the soft suspension.
Would love to see you ride it on a track or on the road?
This man is above 6'1 for sure
I'm about 220, and my 2020 z900 seems fine with stock settings?
Have you assessed fork and shock travel used to validate that? In addition, have you tried rebound in the forks and shock .5 of a turn clockwise? defining what you like gives a much greater sense of confidence.
@@catalystreactionsbw nothing in the suspension feels horribly wrong or like it needs adjustment is all I'm saying. besides, whenever Ive adjusted my settings in the past on other bikes, i cant really feel any difference in the ride quality. either way thank you for your input...
Oh good grief. The Kawasaki 900 predates the FZ/MT-09 line. How young are you?
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. I'm an infant. Yes yes, Kawasaki has had a 900 this or that since the Cambrian Explosion. Like socialism, all that is old is new again.
@@catalystreactionsbw Bwahahaha! And here I thought you were actually almost as old as me, and I'm 72 in a few weeks. So, yeah, pre-Cambrian. PS: Thanks for all the informative videos. Planning on getting a new Z900 soon and will depend on your information to set it up properly for a short, skinny, old geezer. Very much appreciated.
I need to learn what all this means. More Dave videos for me. Question, are these comments geared towards racing or everyday street riding? I want to make my Z900 comfortable for me but I dont race, just recreational riding.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Have a look at this video. The guy was not riding at the trackday. He rode his street bike to the track because Dave was there. He did his test rides on nearby roads. ua-cam.com/video/DbhlkWXfxEk/v-deo.html
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you very much. Watching that video taught me that there may be variations from year to year, maybe even within the same model year. I will need to check where my Z900 is on the spectrum and adjust accordingly. Not going to lie, I'm a bit apprehensive to tweek the suspension. I'm a heavier rider (260) so I am also concerned how my weight may impact what I see when I test, and if the factory settings are good enough, as I dont race on a track, or push my motorcycle hard. I am currently following the manufactures break in schedule, so you can imagine how I ride. I have less than 100 miles on this bike.
What a review! : ) I can't decide what to get as my next bike..this, or 2016 Yamaha MT09..what would u recommend overall?
Very simple Andrea - what fits you the best? That's the bike for you as every time you sit on it you feel comfortable. If both are not quite perfect create a hit list of what needs changing, and then the smallest list wins :) Both are excellent motorcycles
Dave Williams, editor, replying here too. Our review of the MT/FZ09 will post on Tuesday. We compare all 3 variants, the FZ, FJ, and SXR versions
Oh yeah thank u! I will check it out for sure! ;)
How tall are you?
5' 9" tall or 175cm
what's his height ? bcoz I want to see the seat his comfortable for me...
I'm 5.11
I am 5' 9" and shoe size is a US 9 and my inseam is 30"
i heard this bike a bit lower than z800. im a short guy.many bikers suggest me this bike
Depends on your weight as well, in making the bike sag. If you are too light, that might not be true. You can get lowering links from this company: soupysperformance.com/
Ima fat bast, 300, and i had both rear and the front softened. Found it wayyyy too hard from factory.
The dave & dave show!
Wow learned about bike setting again 😅 foot must not lift to brake
sincere review..good job bro
Dave, can you do a review of the Kawasaki Z1000R. pls. Thx
I will see if I can get that sorted out in the very near future.
Thank you so so much. I just bought a new 2017 Z1000R and I would love you thoughts on it.
I actually owned this machine the other year. Suspension on Japan's modern "UJM" bikes is trash. Why do they make such a stupid mess of it? They could do better even with the basic stuff they put on these. Messed up spring rates, messed up oil, messed up damping settings. It's ridiculous.
The only real answer for the Z900 or MT-09 is fling the stock fork internals and stock shock into a deep canyon, buy fully adjustable cartridges and a 3 or 4-way shock and proper springs. Set the thing up for one's weight. And that's only the start. Rip off the nasty rubber hoses and nasty stock brake pads and replace them with something that works. When you've gone through that trouble, replace the stock plastic tires with something that actually grips in all conditions.
I understand the need to hit a price point. I don't understand why they mess up the springs and damping so badly with the hardware that they do supply.
"They"? We never know how "they" are - test riders, corporate officials that sign off on what suspension and settings get shipped to the showroom floor or vendors like KYB, Showa etc that produce the components. No matter how hard you try, that questions is always greeted by silence.
@@catalystreactionsbw Totally understand that. It's just very frustrating. Excellent bikes, lots of tangible value for the price, but always without exception a mess in suspension and cheap rubber hose brake lines. On another note, the forks and brakes on the Z900 are borrowed from the former Z800 which the Z900RS gets radial mount brakes and better suspension. No idea why, as the RS is a less sporty model intended to be used in more street and urban settings, with less power, less lean angle, and less aggressive appearance.
awesome review.do all new bikes please
OMG this is the only review that mentions that weird handle bar and you did it without riding it. To me it was obvious but nobody else seems to notice it. It's the only thing on the bike i didn't like, it's fine but very strange and hurt my wrists after 20mins. I'm sure you could live with it and get used to it but a fairly cheap mod for an otherwise awesome bike that's priced very well.
Handlebars are indeed cheap and easy to find today :)
Were is the Z650 Review?
Trailer is here: ua-cam.com/video/wRVOioTPUHA/v-deo.html Full video is here: ua-cam.com/video/JsBCJYo0HDQ/v-deo.html
is the z900rs real? will they make a retro styled z900?
with the launch of the CB1000 retro and the general trend in that direction by manufacturers, they might. It would be interesting to see what sales are for the CB1000 to assess if the trend has momentum.
i have high hopes for that !
iodineclip
Z900Rs just came out! Retro!
Great review, usefull info as usual, I considering buying a Z900 and want more setting info for it. I am 100 kg. in gear, I ride agresive and I do some trackdays thanks
Please answer the following questions in an email to dave@davemosstuning.com. What do you weigh without gear. Type of riding you will do. Number of years riding. Level of aggressiveness. Thanks.
Good video. Im getting one.
Anybody know if the 2020s have this issue?
Yes, did one last week via remote tune. Going with 15w oil to stock volume to start.
@@catalystreactionsbw Cool. Thanks!
Dave I like your reviews. Thanks also for your email advices & tips ;-) I often hear the European (Street Triple 765, Tuono) build quality is better than the Japanese (Z900). Do you second that?
I should check that specific line item out as I have never compared bikes that way due to the level of excellence we get off the showroom floor.
How tall are you please?
177cm
@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks.
I'm 188cm tall.
Do you think that this bike will be still comfortable for me?
@@pomajzsolt4363 I do as the foot to seat distance is generous.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you
Your from Manchester mate its Zed not Zee
You're from English speaking country, mate. It's "You're", not "Your". And good job on punctuation, too.
Thanku!! Learnt a lot !👍
Do a SDR 1290 gen 3 2020 🙏 LOVE UR VIDEOS
Nice video Dave, really nice information there, but I don't get why such a performance bike comes with such a soft setting for the front ..also it doesn't seem that you can play a lot with the settings of the suspension , so basically like you said, you need to invest some money for the bike to handle as it should ..a bit too much like the MT-09 :D
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. I'm going to produce a video addressing this very subject. Probably won't post until the fall because we have so much time sensitive content for the riding season, but I'm going to lay all this out there.
With any bike we get what we get at a given price point. Some bikes offer interesting "items" for the price you pay whereas others give you a bargain basement approach for $2,000 less. I look at a bike and see what I have to invest to get what I need so for example, I would by the middle R1 with the lighter wheels etc as in a retail situation, I'm saving quite a bit of money. The hard part for any buyer is perspective, so cost of ownership is (for me) a primary factor.
What's your height
5 feet 9 inches or 179cm
I am 6'1 will I look good on this bike?
@@jaydeepjagdale6231 Yes, it will be very comfortable.
@@catalystreactionsbw 👍thnx
Lovely bike 👍🖤💚🖤
BRAZZERS.
Oh no! Flip flops? That's really bad. It never ends well. Bet there's another take where he slipped....
Please specify brand and colors for the next video.
Seems like one of the most relevant bikes right now, but for 14 grand I dont want scooter suspension
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Right now several dealerships in the L.A. area have them for $7100
Dat eyerolling xD
This was not a review
Please share yours and provide the link. Thanks!
video of track tunning will be helpful...away from dealer :)
I have tuned several of these at the track and the fork oil was replaced the night before the track day every time. The rear shock cannot go above 3 clicks above the lowest setting as spring tension over powers rebound. This is for 140-160lb rider in C group.
thx Dave !!! any tip just for the street ride improvement?
fork rebound to .25 from closed, shock rebound at .5 from closed is a common starting point.
I know I'm 2 years late.......Dave, good review. BUT you keep quoting numbers without adding the units. Great information but without providing the units you could be talking about PSI , KG, Lbs. You said a few times "if you're 150 or 180 you'll be fine. I probably would if i knew what the numbers meant.
he means pounds in rider weight