how does mst not negate? when i play kashtira on master duel i only dont win when i seach birth and then they negate it with mst before i can tribute summon my dark magician for free
Meltdown is probably when it was most relevant. There HAVE been field spells (or even Tenki) that add on activation, but Meltdown was the most relevant after Ash was printed.
Its extra funny when you take into consideration that db shows you that your enemy is going through their deck. Meaning the shark could have easily dropped ash before scheiren was added because he absolutely knew the enemy was searching
14:49 This is why I like this channel, exactly. Everyone makes mistakes; you can learn from it or you can wallow in it. You choose to learn, and I appreciate you for that.
Honestly, so did I. I legit thought that you had to declare field spell effects that happen on activation since whatever happens always starts a chain. I always just said "on activation, search a Therion monster" when I activate Therion Discolosseum, because I always play as if my opponent doesn't know what my cards do. I truly understand where this guy was coming from where "it starts a chain so you have to declare it", because I actually thought he was right until the two judges refuted him and would absolutely have called a judge during a locals if it happened to me, but the response and the childish aftermath from him is a perfect example of what NOT to do when a complex in-depth game surprises you with something that you didn't know - be happy you played a game where you actually learned something. These are not people we want playing Yu-gi-oh.
Kinda looks like one of those situations where opp doesn’t want to be punished by scheiren in hand and then sees that opp searches the scheiren and with her at 1 it feels better ashing the planet now knowing that. Def waited dumb long for a simple interaction
@@christianacosta4846 yes and no, sometimes ash’ing scheiren still feels bad cuz you have 5 cards and the opp now has 4, so you didn’t really get rid of any of their cards. It can be used as a reino discard and it’s still a name you can get value out of and fuse or could be a a resource you now have for a future cryme if it isn’t used. Most of the time I don’t like getting my planet ash’ed but maybe you can get lucky, mill a sulliek somewhere and get her anyways 😀
To be fair, almost every Yugioh player does this interaction wrong irl. Most players ask if the turn player is going to use the effect to search before deciding if they are gonna chain Ash Blossom, because they think that's how it works. But like DB said in the vid, if you have all 3 Allisters in hand, your opponent can still chain Ash Blossom because the Chain starts on activation of the field spell; not the resolution, which is when the search happens if it's going to. I think this ruling should be coined the "Magical Meltdown" ruling so that players can familiarize themselves with an all too common interaction these days what with the Planet cards and all.
An common example that predates meltdown as a card but not in terms of its relationship with ash is tenki. Tenki is activated but searches on res and this came up a bit but by the time ash was out meltdown was a bit more common interaction.
Some people cannot be real bruh this is for sure an AI created to piss off people for no reason, there's no way this guy is real and wanna spend half his day arguing with a judge and a YCS champ over some ruling lmao
Patchwork into scoop true combo was the perfect end to this duel. Truly a masterpiece. God never stops working, He cooked here for sure that was kino🔥🔥🔥🔥
Idk if I am wrong but if someone activated a field spell sometimes he might not use its effect to add that’s why a person should declare to tell the other person that he is using that effect otherwise I could just activate planet and opponent straight up ashes and I say I didn’t even want to search and now ik my opponent have ash and he will take it back
It chooses on res is the point. It's similar to Macro or even any of the Purrley spells. You can ash every single one of these even if the opponent isn't going to use the effect that involves the deck.
Both Judge and Yuuichi be pretty laidback while CardSharkie here goes off on a tantrum after delaying his Ash trigger since 20 seconds of Perlereino activation KEKW~~~
They ruled it at Nats that you declare to search. Cardshark may have been a cocksucker but he was going by the ruling made at the biggest tournament in the country this year
even before that with macro cosmos. not in relation to ash obviously, but in that you choose to search/summon from deck at the resolution of the card activation.
I watch DB Grinder content for 2 reasons: 1) watching matches with decks that i play. This way i can see how the opponent is playing vs how i play, tech choices i might want to test for myself and learn a few things i might not know. 2) shit like this
I just remembered why this card shark guys name was ringing a bell, He was the one ranting on twitter about how "Cheap Staples are bad for the game" and hoping for a guys 3 month old child to get bullied when they're in school. Dude is legit and unhinged on top of being a clown
The field spell ruling with ash is the same logic as with Ghost Ogre; how it searches as its activated even though the colon in its text conveys it weirdly.
This is why I declare the effect of everything. Activate prosperity. Click declare. It makes the chain clearer even if u don’t have to do it so I get where he’s coming from but he’s still just wrong 😂. I love how cardshark was sharking 😂. He’s so cringe 😬 $5000 😂😂😂
So i had a similiar expierence once my opponent activated a Perlereino and i had a solemn Judgment set as well as an Ash in my hand. I said activation ok on the Fieldspell and he went to his deck to search. I said wait and activated Ash. My Opponent just said i allowed Perlereino and missed my response Window. I explained to him then there are 2 seperate Windows and i only allowed the activation like i stated. He called a Judge and i got the call. But here he is just trying to shark his opponent.
At Nats this year they ruled you had to declare it. I'm not saying it stays that way. I'm just saying the judges got together and chose to rule it that way I guess for less confusion.
It searches on res. You don't have to declare the intent to search....it isn't complicated. That is like saying every time a Purrley QP is activated you HAVE to tell your opponent you plan on discarding to summon from deck.
@@amethonys2798 it was ruled that way at Nationals that you have to declare it. Probably just for confusion sakes but should a DB judges ruling overrule the Nationals ruling? Probably not.
@@johnwickonspeed7701Just because at a single tournament the judges decide to rule something a certain way should not and does not permanently change the rules of the game, or even how that specific card works for the matter.
@@WuXx1988 yes that is the ruling. It's like how you can ash macro cosmos on activation since it can technically summon from deck on activation even with no targets it's funny when this happens in master duel
@@WuXx1988 from my understanding you are just activating the card which includes the effect to search but the search is only done on resolution since the field spell is just being activated. So even if you had no valid targets since the search is optional and on resolution they must ash on the initial activation of the field spell. Similarly to how you can ash time thief or cross sheep since the effect in the text includes adding but the result is technically not known until resolution of the chain. I hope I'm making sense but this is how all the simulators including master duel work on this and why you can ash even with 0 valid search targets
This guy definitely the one who need 4 judges to explained that MST doesn't negate spell trap card 😂
how does mst not negate? when i play kashtira on master duel i only dont win when i seach birth and then they negate it with mst before i can tribute summon my dark magician for free
@@nrogue9887😂
17:25 the “did you declare branded fusion” killed me 😂
This is a clear example of how to make a non-problem a problem.
Honestly half the issues on db chat are non problems
He is clearly trolling
Card shark is not a clown, he is the entire circus.
The "Zero tops to your name" comment was so funny. Bro chose the wrong one to drop that line against.
Magical Meltdown is indeed where it started. Prior to meltdown field spells used to be a LOT simpler there wasn't really a need for stuff like this...
Cali my boi
A wild cali has appeared LOL
Union Hangar is older
Tenki is probably when this first started mattering.
Meltdown is probably when it was most relevant. There HAVE been field spells (or even Tenki) that add on activation, but Meltdown was the most relevant after Ash was printed.
Its extra funny when you take into consideration that db shows you that your enemy is going through their deck. Meaning the shark could have easily dropped ash before scheiren was added because he absolutely knew the enemy was searching
enemy is crazy, but yeah
14:49 This is why I like this channel, exactly. Everyone makes mistakes; you can learn from it or you can wallow in it. You choose to learn, and I appreciate you for that.
Today i learned how field spells "properly" work
I learn that as well. Completely against my will.
Honestly, so did I. I legit thought that you had to declare field spell effects that happen on activation since whatever happens always starts a chain. I always just said "on activation, search a Therion monster" when I activate Therion Discolosseum, because I always play as if my opponent doesn't know what my cards do. I truly understand where this guy was coming from where "it starts a chain so you have to declare it", because I actually thought he was right until the two judges refuted him and would absolutely have called a judge during a locals if it happened to me, but the response and the childish aftermath from him is a perfect example of what NOT to do when a complex in-depth game surprises you with something that you didn't know - be happy you played a game where you actually learned something. These are not people we want playing Yu-gi-oh.
I saw toxic, and i immediately clicked lol it did not disappoint 😂
Who would've guessed that a guy named "Hey Dude" would be chill af. Reminds me of that guy that played Mokey Mokey in GX.
Kinda looks like one of those situations where opp doesn’t want to be punished by scheiren in hand and then sees that opp searches the scheiren and with her at 1 it feels better ashing the planet now knowing that. Def waited dumb long for a simple interaction
he could dead just ash scheiren and that punishes them even harder
@@christianacosta4846 yes and no, sometimes ash’ing scheiren still feels bad cuz you have 5 cards and the opp now has 4, so you didn’t really get rid of any of their cards. It can be used as a reino discard and it’s still a name you can get value out of and fuse or could be a a resource you now have for a future cryme if it isn’t used.
Most of the time I don’t like getting my planet ash’ed but maybe you can get lucky, mill a sulliek somewhere and get her anyways 😀
To be fair, almost every Yugioh player does this interaction wrong irl. Most players ask if the turn player is going to use the effect to search before deciding if they are gonna chain Ash Blossom, because they think that's how it works. But like DB said in the vid, if you have all 3 Allisters in hand, your opponent can still chain Ash Blossom because the Chain starts on activation of the field spell; not the resolution, which is when the search happens if it's going to.
I think this ruling should be coined the "Magical Meltdown" ruling so that players can familiarize themselves with an all too common interaction these days what with the Planet cards and all.
An common example that predates meltdown as a card but not in terms of its relationship with ash is tenki. Tenki is activated but searches on res and this came up a bit but by the time ash was out meltdown was a bit more common interaction.
reason #1 i keep my db experience to db grinder videos
Facts 😂 😂
I’m pretty sure if Ash is QCR you don’t have to declare
it also doesnt activate so it dodges talents
LMFAO immediately dipped when he realized the second poly got milled
When theres already a problem right at the first activation of a card you know its gonna be good
I love how the ENTIRE FIRST HALF of this video is over a Field Spell ruling. God, Yugioh players are so toxic, but thank you for covering this lol
It amazes me that the judge didn't freeze him or set him back to beginner after all those insults and just flat out stupidity. Soft judge
He doesn’t get paid for this lol
Judges shouldn't abuse their power
@@metaggritI don’t think this would’ve been an abuse of power. The red player definitely needs to get the stick and his head out of his own ass.
@@metaggrit that's the thing, he had every right to do both of those things after all that.
@@lightman9935 why
Some people cannot be real bruh this is for sure an AI created to piss off people for no reason, there's no way this guy is real and wanna spend half his day arguing with a judge and a YCS champ over some ruling lmao
and he cheated at the end for the cherry on top
Patchwork into scoop true combo was the perfect end to this duel. Truly a masterpiece. God never stops working, He cooked here for sure that was kino🔥🔥🔥🔥
Fire formation Tenki is the most common example throughout the ages of a card that searches on resolution, imo
1 minute in and "card shark" is sharking, holy shit lol
We need more toxic duels
Idk if I am wrong but if someone activated a field spell sometimes he might not use its effect to add that’s why a person should declare to tell the other person that he is using that effect otherwise I could just activate planet and opponent straight up ashes and I say I didn’t even want to search and now ik my opponent have ash and he will take it back
It chooses on res is the point. It's similar to Macro or even any of the Purrley spells. You can ash every single one of these even if the opponent isn't going to use the effect that involves the deck.
Both Judge and Yuuichi be pretty laidback while CardSharkie here goes off on a tantrum after delaying his Ash trigger since 20 seconds of Perlereino activation KEKW~~~
Might be the best video I've ever watched
The answer we all want is: Did he post it? If yes: WHERE?
but sisnce its an optional effect on a field spell shoulndt you at least say that you wanna search?
They ruled it at Nats that you declare to search. Cardshark may have been a cocksucker but he was going by the ruling made at the biggest tournament in the country this year
Cardshark is one of my nearby locals and this is bad publicity
They got the shark part right lol
And here I was genuinely looking forward to see some nice Chimera gameplay lmao
just saw the ending dude didnt even have the balls to say oops you milled my last poly. what a baby
"first of all, bread doesn't matter"😂😂😂😂
This was good for a short comedy. Hope to see more of this. Btw I recently started watching you and I love your content!
appreciate you!
This happening to Yuuchy is INSANE shows that even if you win a YCS you're not safe from this on db lmaoooo
That ruling may have come even before with tenki
even before that with macro cosmos. not in relation to ash obviously, but in that you choose to search/summon from deck at the resolution of the card activation.
I watch DB Grinder content for 2 reasons:
1) watching matches with decks that i play. This way i can see how the opponent is playing vs how i play, tech choices i might want to test for myself and learn a few things i might not know.
2) shit like this
“Left while still in the deck”😭😭😭😭
That field spell ruling is so good to know (I just learned it), I've asked opponents if they're choosing to search many many times
Lil bro got frozen lmao
These humiliation rituals are getting crazy LMAO
I just remembered why this card shark guys name was ringing a bell, He was the one ranting on twitter about how "Cheap Staples are bad for the game" and hoping for a guys 3 month old child to get bullied when they're in school. Dude is legit and unhinged on top of being a clown
Game went hard af. So many plays I got to learn from
telling a judge "nah" is craaaaaazy
Lmao watching this toxic duel was so entertaining and funny 🤣 post more in the future if ya can 😅
card shark really be sharking. what a goofy
First card already toxic? best episode ever
please let me know where did he post it?
Tenki probably caused this issue before Meltdown, same situation and it's not even a field spell.
4:10 benefit of the doubt Grinder, gotta love to see it.
I love having a good laugh at these idiots who are very wrong but are adamant that they’re right
Bruh just Ash Scheiren, why would you even ash Perlereino ever hahaha
This is why I dont play duel book everyone bullshits
tbf this is the rare match, normally every match goes well
Ashing the sheiren would’ve actually been better with that hand 😂
Lmfao someone tag the post if he does post it
Anyone know if this did end up getting posted in zoo?
The field spell ruling with ash is the same logic as with Ghost Ogre; how it searches as its activated even though the colon in its text conveys it weirdly.
From the looks of it we as a community will never understand Pendulum cards if we can't even understand Continuous & Field Spell's.
Who’s the ycs champ?? 👀
if you want to know his name, its Brian Chen
^^^ you can also hit him up on Facebook for cheap prices on new cards when they drop ; )
I didn't know the field spell ruling I always say activate field spell to search
He’s calling him a shark …. His name is card shark ….. 🦈
It’s unbelievable how people still think you need to declare activation for field spell to search. Activating a card is intent to use it
Gonna need some popcorn for this one
i would love to see that group post lolol
That Tear Board turn 3 was madness
Strongest board from strongest deck.
@@floooowandereese name checks out.
DB Grinder is for the people
It would be a bit awkward if they named themselves after a real card shop 🧍🏽♂️
CardShark should rather spent 5k on LeBlanc and Hani coaching sessions on metafy before money matching anyone
This is why I declare the effect of everything. Activate prosperity. Click declare. It makes the chain clearer even if u don’t have to do it so I get where he’s coming from but he’s still just wrong 😂. I love how cardshark was sharking 😂. He’s so cringe 😬 $5000 😂😂😂
Literally all of this can be avoided by asking your opponent what their intent is during the activation of a card.
Communication is king/queen shit.
It's funny that someone with Shark in their DB name is sharking.
This was absolute gold
All this guy had to do was Ash the Schieren....like holy crap the game was over.
Can you activate the field and not search. Then he has to state that he is activating search
So i had a similiar expierence once my opponent activated a Perlereino and i had a solemn Judgment set as well as an Ash in my hand. I said activation ok on the Fieldspell and he went to his deck to search. I said wait and activated Ash. My Opponent just said i allowed Perlereino and missed my response Window. I explained to him then there are 2 seperate Windows and i only allowed the activation like i stated. He called a Judge and i got the call. But here he is just trying to shark his opponent.
This is what I’ve been waiting for
Imagine: I play pot of greed I wait for a response draw 2 then my opponent says I had a response you have to declare 😂😂😂
this guy is why we need to bring back bullying in society
Complains about the opponent not declaring perlerino and then follows it up by not declaring branded fusion on his turn. What a combo!
LMAO this just made my day
Satisfying ending. Toxic player got slapped.
Honestly, not to sound cringe, breaking down the stigma of being wrong about a ruling would be the biggest W for the competitive community
What is the real name of Yuuchi? Which YCS did he win? Just curious
Portland , Brian chen
guys i didn t understood the original beef of the ash blossom, can u explain it to me?
I'm assuming the collectables guy runs either a website or shop or something, if so I hope he set aside money for a PR person ☠️
This vid made my whole day 😂😂😂 more toxic than my ex
says LOL after winning going frist through 0 handtraps or breakers WEIRD
Shout out to red for providing db grinder with the fire content
This was a banger LMAO
Who is yuuchy?
I’ve heard they won a ycs so much but idk who they actually are
At Nats this year they ruled you had to declare it. I'm not saying it stays that way. I'm just saying the judges got together and chose to rule it that way I guess for less confusion.
I do think rulings made at Nats overrule db judges
I mean DB added a declare button for a reason. This was a non issue but the dude coulda just hit declare right?
you DONT declare a field spell effect though
@@TheDBGrinderyou declare it if you ain’t a b*tch. 😊
It searches on res. You don't have to declare the intent to search....it isn't complicated.
That is like saying every time a Purrley QP is activated you HAVE to tell your opponent you plan on discarding to summon from deck.
@@amethonys2798 it was ruled that way at Nationals that you have to declare it. Probably just for confusion sakes but should a DB judges ruling overrule the Nationals ruling? Probably not.
@@johnwickonspeed7701Just because at a single tournament the judges decide to rule something a certain way should not and does not permanently change the rules of the game, or even how that specific card works for the matter.
This is actually painful
Bro that shark guy was sharking my friend a few weeks ago, that guy is literally a bozo
Yuuchy is a cool dude and the second best sylvan and Koa'ki fist player.
Mans is banned on db now Lmaooo
Half of the video is just ash vs reino discourse holy shit people are just miserable
Anyone know who that guy is?
Who in the actual fuck would activate planet and not search. Like WHO?
Wait so you dont have to tell your opponent if your searching or not on the field spell activation?
Happens on resolution of the activation
@@razer72260 so if you activate field spell and I ask you are you using effect to search you can say I'll let you know on resolution?
@@WuXx1988 yes that is the ruling. It's like how you can ash macro cosmos on activation since it can technically summon from deck on activation even with no targets it's funny when this happens in master duel
@@WuXx1988 from my understanding you are just activating the card which includes the effect to search but the search is only done on resolution since the field spell is just being activated. So even if you had no valid targets since the search is optional and on resolution they must ash on the initial activation of the field spell. Similarly to how you can ash time thief or cross sheep since the effect in the text includes adding but the result is technically not known until resolution of the chain. I hope I'm making sense but this is how all the simulators including master duel work on this and why you can ash even with 0 valid search targets