Excellent phrasing man. I've been doing a binge of your stuff, these past few days....and this kind of articulation, and melodic linings are really my thing. Specially when you are able to most escape the pentatonic stuff. Oh...and the tone! Hehe Kudos
I'm not a guitarist. I play the guitar, but my main thing is mallet percussion. I've been thinking of diving in, to the guitar thing, because I like the difference it brings me, in relation to the keys approach, of the vibes & marimbas. I was thinking of investing in a pedalboard, and get away from Amplitube.. but you have been turning me on to getting a HX Stomp and the Line 6 plug in that you use. My fav pedals, so far, are the MXR Layers, the Chs Bliss Mood, and the AlexPedals FeverPitch. And I'm a sucker for delays.. Do you reckon I might pull that off with the Line6 stuff ? Thanks very much ;) Kudos from Portugal
I had often struggled to make anything sound like the amp in the room... Recordings always sound so darn good! My solution was to use a decent power amp and drive a cabinet... I've never been happier!
To me, amp in the room isn't so much about reflections, reverb and/or delay, it's more about the tone and directionality of the speaker. Far field IRs can capture this somewhat. But there's no substitute for a guitar speaker in the room, maybe open back too.
Here's what I do: Open back headphones are a must. I use a pair of Sennheiser HD600 or HD58X, whichever is closer to my desk. Sennheisers are especially good because they have a natural high end roll-off that works well with modellers. Set a global EQ to attenuate frequencies above 8khz. Or you can do it in the cab settings. You can use a combination of both to get really granular. Guitar amp speakers have very limited frequency response beyond this. Finally, utilize the dynamic ambience reverb, IN STEREO. It's more than just a room reverb. It's intended to simulate the acoustic space around you, the player. I use it whenever I'm not using reverb as an effect. Sometimes I pull the headphones off just to make sure I disabled direct monitoring on my interface. It's kind of crazy how convincing it sounds.
@@KeithShelley1 to be honest, I just use the default stereo settings. Maybe I'll reduce the decay slightly but they configured it really well and I don't feel the need to tweak it much.
I put an echo block at the end of signal chain on my hx stomp, and by adjusting the decay, it gives a bit of room reverb sound without all the reverb "high end" frequencies. This helps alot when running the stomp into an amp as well. Note: echo is always on.
The Helix reverb effects generally have low and high cuts. As I often do in music mixing too, I use narrow cuts like 500 Hz low cut and 2/3kHz hi-cut in the reverb blocks. Imho it's necessary to get nice sounds.
I actually love my powercab 212+ but I definitely don't like the speaker tones. I have stuck with the FRFR mode. Another main reason for that is I use a Boss looper and the drums sound legit good in FRFR but obviously sound like drums through a guitar speaker in speaker mode. I also place the stereo width at 200% and love the tones I get from the bad boy.
My memory of an amp in the room is a 10 year old memory with my (then) PWE Event Horizon 3, cranked in a practice room. That memory is of a much thicker, much more present sound, than I can get from a modeller, and I think that is the Mic. Mics totally change that sound, and I just don't think any amount of bouncing that mic'd sound around the room with delays or reverbs really gets that sound back, especially if the sound is high gain 80s rock (which is where I live). I think it's a much different proposition when you are playing clean or edge of break up lead stuff. Mics, delays, reverbs, they just change the dirty rhythm sound too much to my ears - I can't imagine this trick working with the Appetite For Destruction rhythm sound.
the Cab update really made a huge difference in my opinion. I'm waiting to see what the new update is [I guess you're putting this out for a reason wink wink]. I'm really happy w Floor, all this time later. Can't imagine what they could add.
I found best way is to get amp in the room is to plug into back of the amp, dumble styles work well for it because of how power section is passive and lively
Question. Can you not just get that space from a reverb or from setting up/emulating a “room” mic (mic positioned far away) in a duel cab block like people do in a studio?
Interesting technique. Have to give it a try. I have been loading Ownhammer mid and Room IRs when I'm noodling. Gets a bit closer than close mic versions. Or maybe just sounds different lol.
Following on.. unlimited tracks make for engineers and producers making the recordings instead of the musicians, unlike the old days where it was one take with the whole orchestra, and if you didn't get it in two takes, all those musicians had to get paid for another twenty minutes. The more people that come between a musician and audience ( eg live sound people), the less faithfull is the art, and instead of becoming a delivery person for the FOH person, any guitarist could learn the "art" of fine-tuning their equipment and inter-instrumental EQ and balance, so the audience gets a positive result, no longer being dependant on a usurping third-party interloper in the occasion.
I noticed a few Presets on my HX Stomp that sounded like a live Amp through Headphones had a tasteful "Ping Pong" reverb on them. It sounds gimmicky if too loud. Another thing I stumbled upon not too long ago was adding a few dBs to the "Output Node" of a Preset can make it sound more like a Tube Amp, softening the highs and thickening the mids in a natural sounding way. I compensated for the change in volume. I have not been able to replicate the tone results in Helix Native. YMMV
All this Pfaffing about through menus to copy reality,... or ( let's think outside the box),... just use the amp in the room. ( Maybe that could be almost as convincing as contrived settings on digital gear?) Tail is wagging the dog if you are slaving to assist the sound engineer.... sound reinforcement means the other way around,... the engineers are working to assist and enhance the musician. Silent stage for the engineer's benefit? Hell no! The trouble is, so much of live sound is catered to by industry and venues, that band musicians are longer forced to learn how to set up their amps and adjust their onstage sound, and balance of levels before they arrive at the venue, so are at the mercy of some mix person. Each venue will make your amp sound different,and it should be your responsibility to set levels and bslances between instruments at the practice room, so tgat all you have to do is make minor adjustments at the gig. Because no one is learning that anymore, the tyranny of engineers is in its ascendancy. The same thing happens in recording. No one is a one take wonder anymore because instant unlimited t
NIce! So my Helix floor isn't a paperweight. lol. I kid, I know it's good, but I bought mine right before the FM9 came out and I've been bummed about it. It's been tough to dial in a good live metal tone. Maybe this amp in the room will help. Easy purchase. Thank you!
Helix is the most beautiful and best amp modeler ever made, even this day 2024.
Excellent phrasing man.
I've been doing a binge of your stuff, these past few days....and this kind of articulation, and melodic linings are really my thing. Specially when you are able to most escape the pentatonic stuff.
Oh...and the tone! Hehe
Kudos
I'm not a guitarist. I play the guitar, but my main thing is mallet percussion.
I've been thinking of diving in, to the guitar thing, because I like the difference it brings me, in relation to the keys approach, of the vibes & marimbas.
I was thinking of investing in a pedalboard, and get away from Amplitube.. but you have been turning me on to getting a HX Stomp and the Line 6 plug in that you use.
My fav pedals, so far, are the MXR Layers, the Chs Bliss Mood, and the AlexPedals FeverPitch. And I'm a sucker for delays..
Do you reckon I might pull that off with the Line6 stuff ?
Thanks very much ;)
Kudos from Portugal
Really love that intro improv-the lines, the phrasing, and the tone! -Tom
I had often struggled to make anything sound like the amp in the room... Recordings always sound so darn good! My solution was to use a decent power amp and drive a cabinet... I've never been happier!
I have been using my Fender FR12 and man does it feel and sound so good.
This , modeller-power amp-cab was the solution for me .
I used Helix with power amp and cab for two gigs, hated it. Went FRFR (PA speaker) after that, and never looked back.
Helix - FR x2 - Stereo. ToneX. Few little extras. FUN YAY🎉😎🎸🎵🎶🤟
To me, amp in the room isn't so much about reflections, reverb and/or delay, it's more about the tone and directionality of the speaker. Far field IRs can capture this somewhat. But there's no substitute for a guitar speaker in the room, maybe open back too.
I just use the Dynamic Room at 51 % mix, Decay at 3 ms, Pre Delay at 0. Highly suggest.
we are waiting for a concept album, John nathan . When ?
Idk what a concept album would consist of but he has two albums on Spotify that are 🔥 Lol
@@JBStreeterabsurd
We need that pedal show first
He has 3 albums on spotify
Here's what I do: Open back headphones are a must. I use a pair of Sennheiser HD600 or HD58X, whichever is closer to my desk. Sennheisers are especially good because they have a natural high end roll-off that works well with modellers. Set a global EQ to attenuate frequencies above 8khz. Or you can do it in the cab settings. You can use a combination of both to get really granular. Guitar amp speakers have very limited frequency response beyond this. Finally, utilize the dynamic ambience reverb, IN STEREO. It's more than just a room reverb. It's intended to simulate the acoustic space around you, the player. I use it whenever I'm not using reverb as an effect. Sometimes I pull the headphones off just to make sure I disabled direct monitoring on my interface. It's kind of crazy how convincing it sounds.
What are your favorite settings for the Dynamic Ambience? That effect was a game changer for headphone guitarists.
@@KeithShelley1 to be honest, I just use the default stereo settings. Maybe I'll reduce the decay slightly but they configured it really well and I don't feel the need to tweak it much.
Great playing and tone, as usual
I put an echo block at the end of signal chain on my hx stomp, and by adjusting the decay, it gives a bit of room reverb sound without all the reverb "high end" frequencies. This helps alot when running the stomp into an amp as well. Note: echo is always on.
The Helix reverb effects generally have low and high cuts. As I often do in music mixing too, I use narrow cuts like 500 Hz low cut and 2/3kHz hi-cut in the reverb blocks. Imho it's necessary to get nice sounds.
I use my PowerCab 212+ on the "Speaker" setting to get the amp in the room sound.
I actually love my powercab 212+ but I definitely don't like the speaker tones. I have stuck with the FRFR mode. Another main reason for that is I use a Boss looper and the drums sound legit good in FRFR but obviously sound like drums through a guitar speaker in speaker mode.
I also place the stereo width at 200% and love the tones I get from the bad boy.
Some interesting ideas there 👍 - Sounds nice
My memory of an amp in the room is a 10 year old memory with my (then) PWE Event Horizon 3, cranked in a practice room. That memory is of a much thicker, much more present sound, than I can get from a modeller, and I think that is the Mic. Mics totally change that sound, and I just don't think any amount of bouncing that mic'd sound around the room with delays or reverbs really gets that sound back, especially if the sound is high gain 80s rock (which is where I live). I think it's a much different proposition when you are playing clean or edge of break up lead stuff. Mics, delays, reverbs, they just change the dirty rhythm sound too much to my ears - I can't imagine this trick working with the Appetite For Destruction rhythm sound.
the Cab update really made a huge difference in my opinion. I'm waiting to see what the new update is [I guess you're putting this out for a reason wink wink]. I'm really happy w Floor, all this time later. Can't imagine what they could add.
I found best way is to get amp in the room is to plug into back of the amp, dumble styles work well for it because of how power section is passive and lively
This is also a way to liven up a dull SS practice amp. I've been doing some version of this since the 80's.
Nice tone
Nice tip thank you
Question. Can you not just get that space from a reverb or from setting up/emulating a “room” mic (mic positioned far away) in a duel cab block like people do in a studio?
Interesting technique. Have to give it a try. I have been loading Ownhammer mid and Room IRs when I'm noodling. Gets a bit closer than close mic versions. Or maybe just sounds different lol.
How come the tap 3 and 4 levels are at 0, wouldnt that effectively make them do nothing?
I cannot find this in gumroad folder. Am I missing something?
Nice
Following on.. unlimited tracks make for engineers and producers making the recordings instead of the musicians, unlike the old days where it was one take with the whole orchestra, and if you didn't get it in two takes, all those musicians had to get paid for another twenty minutes. The more people that come between a musician and audience ( eg live sound people), the less faithfull is the art, and instead of becoming a delivery person for the FOH person, any guitarist could learn the "art" of fine-tuning their equipment and inter-instrumental EQ and balance, so the audience gets a positive result, no longer being dependant on a usurping third-party interloper in the occasion.
Looks interesting, not on the drive, only Gumroad?
No worries I just grabbed it on gumroad. Lots of fun bits to noodle around with. Nicely done.
I noticed a few Presets on my HX Stomp that sounded like a live Amp through Headphones had a tasteful "Ping Pong" reverb on them. It sounds gimmicky if too loud.
Another thing I stumbled upon not too long ago was adding a few dBs to the "Output Node" of a Preset can make it sound more like a Tube Amp, softening the highs and thickening the mids in a natural sounding way. I compensated for the change in volume. I have not been able to replicate the tone results in Helix Native. YMMV
You can make any modeler feel much more like a real amp by attaching heavy weights to it
What happened to your voice recording ?
Distorted and Choppy ... after the jam intro
Guitar recording is smooth and clear.
You forgot to introduce your toilet. Which informs tempo, key, and when you just dropped a deuce.
If you want the sound of an amp in the room then just get an amp in your room! Modelers aren't supposed to sound like an amp in the room!
What makes you say they aren't supposed to sound like that? The point is to make traditional amps obsolete
Doesnt sound like amp in room, but it's better
All I hear is lethal weapon 6.
Bruh this whole video needs rerecording
All this Pfaffing about through menus to copy reality,... or ( let's think outside the box),... just use the amp in the room. ( Maybe that could be almost as convincing as contrived settings on digital gear?) Tail is wagging the dog if you are slaving to assist the sound engineer.... sound reinforcement means the other way around,... the engineers are working to assist and enhance the musician. Silent stage for the engineer's benefit? Hell no! The trouble is, so much of live sound is catered to by industry and venues, that band musicians are longer forced to learn how to set up their amps and adjust their onstage sound, and balance of levels before they arrive at the venue, so are at the mercy of some mix person. Each venue will make your amp sound different,and it should be your responsibility to set levels and bslances between instruments at the practice room, so tgat all you have to do is make minor adjustments at the gig. Because no one is learning that anymore, the tyranny of engineers is in its ascendancy. The same thing happens in recording. No one is a one take wonder anymore because instant unlimited t
NIce! So my Helix floor isn't a paperweight. lol. I kid, I know it's good, but I bought mine right before the FM9 came out and I've been bummed about it. It's been tough to dial in a good live metal tone. Maybe this amp in the room will help. Easy purchase. Thank you!