THOSE ARE MY PEOPLE!!! GEORGIA!!!! Ok but in Georgia the boys dances are a lot cooler than the girls. I go Georgian dancing lessons and the girls dances are so simple. How am I supposed to express myself. And usually we wear corsets. Idk why but we do. And I was raised in England so it’s hard to explain some stuff to my teacher since I’m better at English,
@@andynonymous6769 I'm so tired of people whining about EVERYTHING. She was raised in England, now she came to Georgia and tries to change Georgia for herself. If you don't like it, go back to England and dance without corset and express yourself. How hard can it be!
The Sukhishvili Ensemble was one out of quite some leading institutions of georgian dance in Georgia who roughly rejected to cooperate with Levan Akin, maker of the 2019 awardwinning upset "And then we danced" - for the sole reason the film issued about gay romance and homophobia in Georgia and put that into the context of georgian national dance. The leader of the company told Akin, that "there are no gay people in Georgia" - so why make a film about that? They just didn't want to have anything to do with homosexuality and saw the script as a direct threat to the old conservative perception of georgian dance as a heritage that breathes masculinity and patriarchy. Ironically enough it was to this film to make georgian dance popular around the world at a time, only very few people knew about the fact that it even existed. I'm from Germany, I am dancing ballet myself and I never knew about georgian dance until I watched ATWD in cinema. Reading about how badly Akin and his cast and crew were treated in their home country for making gayromance and homophobia an issue in film, how they were harrassed at, kicked out and humiliated just by the stakeholders of georgian dance - it's a shame really. "Dreams can come true" at Sukhisvili? Not, if you're a boy or young man discovering your heart beats gay. A big BOOO! and thumbs down to Sukhishvili for engaging into homophobia.
ClassicBird 262 First of all, nobody said that there were no gay people in Georgia. The Sukhishvili leader said that there couldn't be gay dancers in their company for the simple reason that gay people can't dance Georgian folk dance because it is too masculine and to perform it you need to have a strong masculine spirit. If you watch it you will see it yourself. Secondly, Georgian folk dance doesn't need a gay film to make it popular. It has been famous for a long time and if you read Sukhishvili history, you will see that it has been one of the top folk dance companies if not the first in the world for 75 years. Thirdly, your big BOOO doesn't make any difference. "Sukhishvilebi" as Georgians call them to honour the founders of the company will continue their glorious way because they are big professionals, they love their job and because Georgian folk dance has its unique place among other folk dances of the world. Lastly, Georgians are tolerant people. If you read a little of our history, you will understand that. We have no phobias. We have been tolerant to ethnic, religious and sexual diversity for many centuries. We don't need to be taught by anybody in the world. On the contrary, we can teach others. As for the film mentioned by you, I don't think we need a gay film to make us popular. We are artistic people and we don't need cheep ways to show our talent, we have much more potential than that.
@@tikino1000 I checked back. And according to Levan Akin (and to me, after watching the outrage the movie caused among conservative and orthodox Georgians when it premiered last summer - he is 100 percent credible) the company leader Nino Sukhishvili stated that there were no gay people in Georgian Dance (not not in the company). And please give me just one explanation: What sense would the remark that there arent gay dancers "in the company", have even made in the original context? Levan Akin was NOT searching for gay dancers at Sukhishvili, he was approaching Sukhishvili for support in terms of artistic, first of all choreographic aspects. But that didnt mean that dancers starring in the movie as backround dancers would have to be gay themselves! And how does Nino Sukhishvili even want to know are there any gay dancers in her own company or not? Let alone in the whole of Georgia? Are there entry checks for sexual orientation at Sukhishvili? Apart from that, its a somewhat stupid homophobic stereotype to suggest that gay men always look and behave feminine and thus arent "real men" and not able to do georgian dance. Almost all of the historic Kintouri dancers appeared to be homosexual! The truth is: These boys and men get kicked out of georgian dance ensembles as soon as they are dismantled as gay - no matter how good they are. In this tradition, Sukhishvili just didnt want to have anything to do with the whole film project. Otherwise - why didnt they just support it as far as they could? Lets remember: It wasn't about gay dancers but about authentic locations, high level dancing in the movie and tutorial for the two main actors (Levan Gelbakhiani and Bachi Valishvili). The rest of your talking is somewhat irrelevant regarding what I was originally talking about. Levan Akin made Sukhishvili his first choice for professional support in terms of Georgian Dance - just BECAUSE it is the most historic and renowned ensemble in this field in Georgia! He never left any doubt about that. And if homophobia wasnt a problem at Sukhishvili - the company leader would have had no problem to support Akin and the movie and she wouldnt have threatened dancers to participate in it on their own, telling them they wouldn't dance anymore if they did so.
@@tikino1000 www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/04/under-the-rainbow-how-directors-make-lgbt-films-in-countries-hostile-to-gay-rights Levan Akin: "We also met with Nino Sukhishvili from the Georgian National Ballet before shooting, and her reaction was: ‘Why can’t he fall in love with a girl? There are no gay people in Georgian dance.’ We could have really used her help, but she wouldn’t support us. Not only that but we found out that she called other dance companies and banned dancers from appearing in the movie, telling them they would never dance again. And the effect spread. We would lose important locations at a few days’ notice because suddenly there were ‘renovations’.”
@@classicbird2627 That's a great lie. The makers simply used the name of a world famous dance company to make the gay society pay attention to their mediocre movie. Other Georgian folk dance companies wouldn't have needed to be called by Nino Sukhishvili to say no to the makers of the film because Georgian folk dancers simply can't make the dance movements characteristic to gay people, they are used to quite a different type of dance. There are a lot of other groups dancing modern or other types of dance. Why couldn't they have asked them for help? I'm sure they would have got the help they needed. But if they had done so they wouldn't have had the opportunity to make much ado about nothing. As for my irrelevant writing, if you read your comment more carefully, you will find the answers to what you said.
@@tikino1000 Sorry, but thats so poor. So if thats all such a "great lie" - how come, that even the orthodox church agitates with Sukhishvili's rejection to cooperate in any way with Akin and his project? Do you want to say that the Georgian Patriarch is a liar? Sukhishvili and the orthodox patriarch go hand in hand in terms of homophobia. For them its a sin - and thats the reason, Sukhishvili rejected Akin's request for support. So what exactly do you want to identify as a "lie" in this? This is so bigot and fake. Just have the guts to be honest about your inhumane views! Its all well documented in the internet anyway. So who ever wants to can see the truth. If you wann see a homophobe - go look into the mirror. Youre so full of hatred. And you obviously dont know anything about the film youre condemning here. Once again: AKIN WAS NOT LOOKING FOR GAY DANCERS! So what do you want to say when writing: "because Georgian folk dancers simply can't make the dance movements characteristic to gay people"?? You dont understand a thing here...! There were exactly TWO gay dancers in the company according to the plot: the two main characters (Merab and Irakli). The other dancers in the group all appeared as straight (heterosexual) or didnt make any statement about their sexual orientation at all. So the film showed a mainly straight georgian dance ensemble, a clearly conservative, masculine environment - with two individuals standing out as gay. Nino Sukhishvili was clearly aware of that. And there was absolutely no cause for her to reject a cooperation with Levan Akin for reasons of "no gay dancers being in the company". That doesnt make any sense at all. The more, when you keep in mind that also the two main actors (Levan Gelbakhiani and Bachi Valishvili) both arent gay in real life - despite the fact that they play a gay couple in the film. And finally: A film that explicitely wants to set a homosexual love story in the context of traditional georgian dance - "other groups dancing modern or other types of dance" - GO FIND THE MISTAKE. orthochristian.com/125364.html
@@Edventurer 0:27 Unnecessary editing. Look jerky. 2:45 WHY is there an edit in this tiny segment? The whole episode looks overedited with small 1-2-second cuts and WAY too much angle changing.
@@Maloy7800 peace, I appreciate the feedback on the 2:45. That transition was quick and can be incomprehensible, but I can not reupload any videos. All I can do is take in your advice and make better for my next videos. 0:45 is the way I like to edit the dance shots, my own art. I don't produce regular documentaries, it's through my lens with my own creativity and involvement in the culture I am partaking in. I acknowledge your advice and I will take in what resonates to what I will produce on this channel in upcoming videos. Thanks. 🤙🏼
"Little Stars" dance very beautifully
My Caucasus My Georgia💪🇬🇪🗡️
lamazi sakartvelo 🤙🏽
Love this!
ディディ マッデゥロバ
keep up the good work man
Thanks bro.
Great video Eddy!
Thanks, peace david 🤙🏼
Will Done
Thanks :)
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Right?
5:16 My teacher said this was for the girls... SEE!! Simple
Yeah those were simple steps, but fascinating nonetheless.
bro. i use to go there
did u practice w/ them
@@Edventurer No i just said i was learning how to dance in there
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With english translation please!
You can view subtitles by clicking "CC" (Captions) and selecting English. 🙂
Very folk the dances
the folkiest
THOSE ARE MY PEOPLE!!! GEORGIA!!!! Ok but in Georgia the boys dances are a lot cooler than the girls. I go Georgian dancing lessons and the girls dances are so simple. How am I supposed to express myself. And usually we wear corsets. Idk why but we do. And I was raised in England so it’s hard to explain some stuff to my teacher since I’m better at English,
I thought the girl's dances are cool too. Perhaps you can try cutting your hair and join the boys, like Mulan.
Well, then how about you learn your own culture and adapt to it, instead of demanding that the culture adapts to you?
@@Edventurer as a Ukrainian dancer I’ve considered that many times 😜
@@Maloy7800 rude. She’s just stating a fact, that georgian dances are less fun for girls
@@andynonymous6769 I'm so tired of people whining about EVERYTHING. She was raised in England, now she came to Georgia and tries to change Georgia for herself. If you don't like it, go back to England and dance without corset and express yourself. How hard can it be!
The Sukhishvili Ensemble was one out of quite some leading institutions of georgian dance in Georgia who roughly rejected to cooperate with Levan Akin, maker of the 2019 awardwinning upset "And then we danced" - for the sole reason the film issued about gay romance and homophobia in Georgia and put that into the context of georgian national dance. The leader of the company told Akin, that "there are no gay people in Georgia" - so why make a film about that? They just didn't want to have anything to do with homosexuality and saw the script as a direct threat to the old conservative perception of georgian dance as a heritage that breathes masculinity and patriarchy.
Ironically enough it was to this film to make georgian dance popular around the world at a time, only very few people knew about the fact that it even existed. I'm from Germany, I am dancing ballet myself and I never knew about georgian dance until I watched ATWD in cinema. Reading about how badly Akin and his cast and crew were treated in their home country for making gayromance and homophobia an issue in film, how they were harrassed at, kicked out and humiliated just by the stakeholders of georgian dance - it's a shame really. "Dreams can come true" at Sukhisvili? Not, if you're a boy or young man discovering your heart beats gay. A big BOOO! and thumbs down to Sukhishvili for engaging into homophobia.
ClassicBird 262
First of all, nobody said that there were no gay people in Georgia. The Sukhishvili leader said that there couldn't be gay dancers in their company for the simple reason that gay people can't dance Georgian folk dance because it is too masculine and to perform it you need to have a strong masculine spirit. If you watch it you will see it yourself. Secondly, Georgian folk dance doesn't need a gay film to make it popular. It has been famous for a long time and if you read Sukhishvili history, you will see that it has been one of the top folk dance companies if not the first in the world for 75 years. Thirdly, your big BOOO doesn't make any difference. "Sukhishvilebi" as Georgians call them to honour the founders of the company will continue their glorious way because they are big professionals, they love their job and because Georgian folk dance has its unique place among other folk dances of the world. Lastly, Georgians are tolerant people. If you read a little of our history, you will understand that. We have no phobias. We have been tolerant to ethnic, religious and sexual diversity for many centuries. We don't need to be taught by anybody in the world. On the contrary, we can teach others. As for the film mentioned by you, I don't think we need a gay film to make us popular. We are artistic people and we don't need cheep ways to show our talent, we have much more potential than that.
@@tikino1000 I checked back. And according to Levan Akin (and to me, after watching the outrage the movie caused among conservative and orthodox Georgians when it premiered last summer - he is 100 percent credible) the company leader Nino Sukhishvili stated that there were no gay people in Georgian Dance (not not in the company). And please give me just one explanation: What sense would the remark that there arent gay dancers "in the company", have even made in the original context? Levan Akin was NOT searching for gay dancers at Sukhishvili, he was approaching Sukhishvili for support in terms of artistic, first of all choreographic aspects. But that didnt mean that dancers starring in the movie as backround dancers would have to be gay themselves! And how does Nino Sukhishvili even want to know are there any gay dancers in her own company or not? Let alone in the whole of Georgia? Are there entry checks for sexual orientation at Sukhishvili?
Apart from that, its a somewhat stupid homophobic stereotype to suggest that gay men always look and behave feminine and thus arent "real men" and not able to do georgian dance. Almost all of the historic Kintouri dancers appeared to be homosexual! The truth is: These boys and men get kicked out of georgian dance ensembles as soon as they are dismantled as gay - no matter how good they are.
In this tradition, Sukhishvili just didnt want to have anything to do with the whole film project. Otherwise - why didnt they just support it as far as they could? Lets remember: It wasn't about gay dancers but about authentic locations, high level dancing in the movie and tutorial for the two main actors (Levan Gelbakhiani and Bachi Valishvili).
The rest of your talking is somewhat irrelevant regarding what I was originally talking about. Levan Akin made Sukhishvili his first choice for professional support in terms of Georgian Dance - just BECAUSE it is the most historic and renowned ensemble in this field in Georgia! He never left any doubt about that. And if homophobia wasnt a problem at Sukhishvili - the company leader would have had no problem to support Akin and the movie and she wouldnt have threatened dancers to participate in it on their own, telling them they wouldn't dance anymore if they did so.
@@tikino1000 www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/04/under-the-rainbow-how-directors-make-lgbt-films-in-countries-hostile-to-gay-rights
Levan Akin:
"We also met with Nino Sukhishvili from the Georgian National Ballet before shooting, and her reaction was: ‘Why can’t he fall in love with a girl? There are no gay people in Georgian dance.’ We could have really used her help, but she wouldn’t support us. Not only that but we found out that she called other dance companies and banned dancers from appearing in the movie, telling them they would never dance again. And the effect spread. We would lose important locations at a few days’ notice because suddenly there were ‘renovations’.”
@@classicbird2627 That's a great lie. The makers simply used the name of a world famous dance company to make the gay society pay attention to their mediocre movie. Other Georgian folk dance companies wouldn't have needed to be called by Nino Sukhishvili to say no to the makers of the film because Georgian folk dancers simply can't make the dance movements characteristic to gay people, they are used to quite a different type of dance. There are a lot of other groups dancing modern or other types of dance. Why couldn't they have asked them for help? I'm sure they would have got the help they needed. But if they had done so they wouldn't have had the opportunity to make much ado about nothing. As for my irrelevant writing, if you read your comment more carefully, you will find the answers to what you said.
@@tikino1000 Sorry, but thats so poor. So if thats all such a "great lie" - how come, that even the orthodox church agitates with Sukhishvili's rejection to cooperate in any way with Akin and his project? Do you want to say that the Georgian Patriarch is a liar? Sukhishvili and the orthodox patriarch go hand in hand in terms of homophobia. For them its a sin - and thats the reason, Sukhishvili rejected Akin's request for support. So what exactly do you want to identify as a "lie" in this? This is so bigot and fake. Just have the guts to be honest about your inhumane views! Its all well documented in the internet anyway. So who ever wants to can see the truth. If you wann see a homophobe - go look into the mirror. Youre so full of hatred. And you obviously dont know anything about the film youre condemning here. Once again: AKIN WAS NOT LOOKING FOR GAY DANCERS! So what do you want to say when writing: "because Georgian folk dancers simply can't make the dance movements characteristic to gay people"?? You dont understand a thing here...! There were exactly TWO gay dancers in the company according to the plot: the two main characters (Merab and Irakli). The other dancers in the group all appeared as straight (heterosexual) or didnt make any statement about their sexual orientation at all. So the film showed a mainly straight georgian dance ensemble, a clearly conservative, masculine environment - with two individuals standing out as gay. Nino Sukhishvili was clearly aware of that. And there was absolutely no cause for her to reject a cooperation with Levan Akin for reasons of "no gay dancers being in the company". That doesnt make any sense at all. The more, when you keep in mind that also the two main actors (Levan Gelbakhiani and Bachi Valishvili) both arent gay in real life - despite the fact that they play a gay couple in the film.
And finally: A film that explicitely wants to set a homosexual love story in the context of traditional georgian dance - "other groups dancing modern or other types of dance" - GO FIND THE MISTAKE.
orthochristian.com/125364.html
you Chinese should be able to do this ching ching movements no?
😂
Your video editing is HORRIBLE. It's absolutely unwatchable with all this jerking and cutting. Re-edit and reupload.
which part in particular was horrible for you?
@@Edventurer 0:27 Unnecessary editing. Look jerky. 2:45 WHY is there an edit in this tiny segment? The whole episode looks overedited with small 1-2-second cuts and WAY too much angle changing.
@@Maloy7800 peace, I appreciate the feedback on the 2:45. That transition was quick and can be incomprehensible, but I can not reupload any videos. All I can do is take in your advice and make better for my next videos.
0:45 is the way I like to edit the dance shots, my own art. I don't produce regular documentaries, it's through my lens with my own creativity and involvement in the culture I am partaking in.
I acknowledge your advice and I will take in what resonates to what I will produce on this channel in upcoming videos.
Thanks. 🤙🏼
Eh it’s free. Wasn’t bad editing to me anyways
@@andynonymous6769 So is my advice!!! It'll help him sell his videos for more!