I recently thought about the fact that, had the coelacanth gone extinct just 100 years before it was described, we’d have never known it survived the mass extinction because it’s impossible to get deep sea fossils from so short ago
I never thought about that before. Makes me think: what other deep sea animals are thought to have gone extinct long ago, but potentially survived until fairly recently? And what could be possible ways to know about this?
We always talk about how many land animals well never discover due to how rare fossilization is. Imagine all the sea fauna that stayed in the abyss and never got persevered.
It's a melancholy thought to consider all the species that have come and gone and were never "known" by any conscious creature. As Carl Sagan said "humans are a way for the universe to know itself." One may call the sadness of an unheralded universe anthropomorphic and therefore irrelevant but if we conscious creatures are the way the universe knows itself then the universe is also sad to see its creations go unrecognized.
There could have been some relictual soecies that survived for a long time after their extinction Imagine surviving placoderms in the cretaceous or ammonoids in the Miocene or Pliocene
Uhh there’s also the flip side that life and evolution on earth will continue indefinitely, and thus there will be an endless number of species to study and love. So you guys can be happy that learning about life is a never ending process ❤
What I find increasingly terrifying is that practically all (at least to my knowledge) of marine fossils discovered are from shallow seas. Oceanic fossils are, obviously, not only all the way out in the middle of the ocean under thousands of feet of water, but also are constantly getting ground into the conveyor belt of subduction zones because the basalt plates are heavier and sink under the continental plates. If what we've seen is only barely scratching the surface of what was in shallow, temperate waters, i shudder to imagine what horrors dared to brave the deep open ocean
Could you imagine the few deep sea gigantism monstrosities that probably existed in those eras? Think, if the Blue Whale filled the niche of just being really big eating algae. How big could prehistoric animals really get assuming they're filling the same niche
I remember 15 years ago in college doing a presentation on Osedax in front of the class. By that time the info was scarcer and it had only been tested on cetacean and cow bones, but we already ventured the idea of its origin as a scavenger of Mesozoic marine reptile carcasses based on mollecular clock data. Glad to hear we were on the correct path! Love your videos BTW
I'm so pleased to see this channel start to gain influence. It's a rare treasure on YT and needs greater exposure. I've learnt so much from it and now have my nephews hooked. Thank you Moth Light Media; may you grow and receive the recognition you deserve.
I have been searching for a video like this for years. I am so happy to finally get to learn about this. I struggle with reading academic papers so UA-cam has been my only option to learn this stuff. Thank you so so much this has made my day
Don’t feel bad about struggling with reading! It’s getting harder for me as I age and I find audiobooks and videos work equally well now for me! The important thing is to keep being interested in learning more! BBC has a DVD series called “blue planet.” They have one feature that is at least one hour long about the deep. Highly recommend the whole series but the deep is my personal favorite! Also highly recommend the BBC “planet earth” series! 🙏🦑🪸🐋
Less than you might imagine because the basalt from oceanic plates is always shifting and most often ends up sinking back into the earth's mantle, unlike continental plates which are made of mostly granite which is lighter and keeps floating on top of the mantle.
Your videos are not only extremely soothing (i could use them to help me sleep, and by that I don't mean they're boring !) but also very informative. My main topic of interest is insects, and I didn't get much of an education in paleontology. While I don't really study ancient organisms, being aware of ancient evolutive trends helps add context to modern ones. Thank you for doing that !
I have absolutely have ALWAYS been so curious about this exact topic but it seemed as if absolutely nowhere had any semblance of an answer. The knowledge of what creatures exist deep within our oceans today creates quite a frightening open-ended question as what could’ve possibly existed throughout prehistory.
Thank you moth light media, I’ve been enjoying your content for about 2 years now. I gotta say your quality and researched is unmatched in these bite sized videos. Absolute perfection
Thia is a fascinating! I'm really interested in prehistoric marine reptiles. This is the first video I've seen about the topic of the deep sea. Your videos are always good. Also, as a voice over artist myself, I love your voice. It's one of the reasons I've been a big fan for a long time. I'd love to voice a great science channel like this. Thanks so much.
Awesome, thanks, i never thought about this, but makes perfect sense. Imagine roughing it up on crocodile scraps for 20 mill years to properly feed again
I love your content so much dude, you always bring up such interesting topics that lack discussion. I was literally thinking about this very topic on Monday as I was doing museum prep. I hope you know how much of an impact this channel has had on me as I’ve studied geology and explored the ancient world
With the amount of unknown curiosities and mysteries in our deep Oceans alive today, that we haven't discovered yet; I can only imagine what wonderfully weird and amazing animals have been living in the deep dark Ocean for the past half a billions years!
Saw the title and my thoughts immediately went to something I've thought about so many times before. The deep sea is filled with all manner of strange creatures we've only recently discovered, but what kind of evolutionary history do they have? Just how long have they existed there? Have they existed for many millions of years in an environment that's been relatively stable and virtually unchanged, or did they evolve more recently, in which case, what might've existed before them? o.o I can't imagine deep sea dwellers left behind much of a fossil record, so we may never truly know the answers to these questions...
There’s no doubt in my mind that some truly incredible albeit horrific creatures lived and died throughout the ages in the deep sea… Personally I believe there’s _still_ undiscovered nightmare fuel down there. Case in point, we still don’t know what ate ‘shark alpha’ in 2003… but it certainly wasn’t another great white (that theory has more holes in it than a block of Swiss cheese lmao)
I WISH more video game developers would collaborate with archeologists & other scientists that study prehistoric life. Then they can work on projects that utilize video games as interactive experiences. In the 90's i played educational computer games that utilized visual design to help teach you about the different biology that has existed on our planet. There's so much potential in this field that is not being used.. i hope that changes soon
@@Sara3346 No, I did not. I mean when they figure out how to fill it with micro transaction, DLCs, pay to win features, and generally how to make it plain addictive, than they will do it.
@@Sara3346 But nobody wants 'some' profit. If you not constantly increase and maximize your profit, you are failed as a manager, and will be replaced. The main investor are hedgefunds, and therefore the board would rather accept a higher risk of failure for a higher promise of profit, than moderate profit and a good, educational, long term product. Just the reality of businnes today. When the investors are profit oriented corporations themselves, driven for nothing but ever growing and maximized profit instead of human beings, this is the outcome.
3:30 how about sea turtles? do their remains support this species of boneworm? If so, they needn’t rely on freshwater crocodiloforms ending up in the sea by chance. I wonder if very large fish remains are similar enough to reptiles to support their population too. Have basking shark remains been found with this type of colony?
Yeah, all these people commenting that this helps them sleep must have shut their eyes or turned away from the screen by the time the red Abyssosaurus and its fangs appeared, because that’s genuine nightmare fuel
Imagine some fish/invertebrate species which are so obscure and bizarre that we couldn’t even imagine, entirely out of sight from any fossil records because they’re simply living deep down there for millennia even the multiple mass extinction events on earth surface couldn’t reach them..
I saw a skull where there was a flattened ring of bone inside the eye. A very large eye. We were told it was to provide support against the pressure of deep dives. Mosasaur, maybe, saw it 15 years ago in a museum.
I don’t know if marine reptiles could go into the deep without echolocation. Also do the rest of their bodies suggest deep sea adaptations? Because the deep sea compresses the body.
Another huge problem regarding deep sea fossils is how frequently oceanic plates are submerged and recycled with the tectonic of plates, there are pieces of continental crust billions of years old but at most you can have a piece of ocean floor from the middle of the Mesozoic
The part about air breathing creatures having an advantage in the low oxygen environment explains something that I have wondered about: when terrestrial animals returned to the sea, why didn't they re-evolve underwater breathing? Returning to the surface means interrupting their other activities.
Evolution usually sticks with what you already have. To change your lung-based breating back to a gill-based breathing is too drastic and unlikely to happen.
I recently thought about the fact that, had the coelacanth gone extinct just 100 years before it was described, we’d have never known it survived the mass extinction because it’s impossible to get deep sea fossils from so short ago
There is a fairly recent doc about them filming a coelacanth with specialty diving rigs.
I never thought about that before. Makes me think: what other deep sea animals are thought to have gone extinct long ago, but potentially survived until fairly recently? And what could be possible ways to know about this?
@@UATU. you can’t do that if it were extinct
@@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad They aren’t extinct.
@@UATU. that’s why I said had they. Do you not know what a hypothetical is?
We always talk about how many land animals well never discover due to how rare fossilization is. Imagine all the sea fauna that stayed in the abyss and never got persevered.
yeah , we really can only speculate about the diversity of life down there.
It's a melancholy thought to consider all the species that have come and gone and were never "known" by any conscious creature. As Carl Sagan said "humans are a way for the universe to know itself." One may call the sadness of an unheralded universe anthropomorphic and therefore irrelevant but if we conscious creatures are the way the universe knows itself then the universe is also sad to see its creations go unrecognized.
There could have been some relictual soecies that survived for a long time after their extinction
Imagine surviving placoderms in the cretaceous or ammonoids in the Miocene or Pliocene
i think about this so often, and it makes me so sad to imagine all the amazing creatures humanity will never meet
Uhh there’s also the flip side that life and evolution on earth will continue indefinitely, and thus there will be an endless number of species to study and love. So you guys can be happy that learning about life is a never ending process ❤
What I find increasingly terrifying is that practically all (at least to my knowledge) of marine fossils discovered are from shallow seas. Oceanic fossils are, obviously, not only all the way out in the middle of the ocean under thousands of feet of water, but also are constantly getting ground into the conveyor belt of subduction zones because the basalt plates are heavier and sink under the continental plates. If what we've seen is only barely scratching the surface of what was in shallow, temperate waters, i shudder to imagine what horrors dared to brave the deep open ocean
Could you imagine the few deep sea gigantism monstrosities that probably existed in those eras? Think, if the Blue Whale filled the niche of just being really big eating algae. How big could prehistoric animals really get assuming they're filling the same niche
I've never thought of that, I love the Idea though!
I love how the squid footage is just chaos, very on brand
Swarms of death
Humbolt squid
I remember 15 years ago in college doing a presentation on Osedax in front of the class. By that time the info was scarcer and it had only been tested on cetacean and cow bones, but we already ventured the idea of its origin as a scavenger of Mesozoic marine reptile carcasses based on mollecular clock data. Glad to hear we were on the correct path!
Love your videos BTW
I'm so pleased to see this channel start to gain influence. It's a rare treasure on YT and needs greater exposure. I've learnt so much from it and now have my nephews hooked. Thank you Moth Light Media; may you grow and receive the recognition you deserve.
Especially with the clickbait corruption of extinctzoo, ive been an mlm fan for years, such calming content
I agree!
I have been searching for a video like this for years. I am so happy to finally get to learn about this. I struggle with reading academic papers so UA-cam has been my only option to learn this stuff. Thank you so so much this has made my day
Don’t feel bad about struggling with reading! It’s getting harder for me as I age and I find audiobooks and videos work equally well now for me!
The important thing is to keep being interested in learning more!
BBC has a DVD series called “blue planet.” They have one feature that is at least one hour long about the deep. Highly recommend the whole series but the deep is my personal favorite! Also highly recommend the BBC “planet earth” series! 🙏🦑🪸🐋
Academic papers can be incredibly crunchy (full of numbers). I usually find myself skimming them more than anything else.
I am an academic and I’d rather cheese-grate my nips than read another academic paper. UA-cam is the goat for learning.
Oh my god i just realized the absolutely absurb amount of fossils currently hidden underneath the seafloor
Less than you might imagine because the basalt from oceanic plates is always shifting and most often ends up sinking back into the earth's mantle, unlike continental plates which are made of mostly granite which is lighter and keeps floating on top of the mantle.
Good point. There's at least a dozen or so...
@@SonKunSamashould we also factor in fossils that just eventually dissolve after a long time?
Sadly not. Oceanic crust gets destroyed repeatedly. The oldest oceanic crust is younger than the oldest dinosaurs
Britain needs to colonize the seafloor
Your videos are not only extremely soothing (i could use them to help me sleep, and by that I don't mean they're boring !) but also very informative.
My main topic of interest is insects, and I didn't get much of an education in paleontology. While I don't really study ancient organisms, being aware of ancient evolutive trends helps add context to modern ones. Thank you for doing that !
Long time no moth. Welcome back!
8:33 i just want to compliment the artist of this piece, Luavis. It's absolutely terrifying.
I have absolutely have ALWAYS been so curious about this exact topic but it seemed as if absolutely nowhere had any semblance of an answer. The knowledge of what creatures exist deep within our oceans today creates quite a frightening open-ended question as what could’ve possibly existed throughout prehistory.
Weird I was just in a moth light media Marathon today and it ends with a new vid! How funny
Another amazing video! This is my first time hearing about Phosphorosaurus and the Sundance Sea, so cool!
Yes new moth video
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Overlooked
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@@JesusFriedChristoh I-……
@@kaonashii. South Arcade 🎶
Lyrics from their upcoming song
“Moth Kids”
Thank you moth light media, I’ve been enjoying your content for about 2 years now. I gotta say your quality and researched is unmatched in these bite sized videos. Absolute perfection
Thia is a fascinating! I'm really interested in prehistoric marine reptiles. This is the first video I've seen about the topic of the deep sea. Your videos are always good. Also, as a voice over artist myself, I love your voice. It's one of the reasons I've been a big fan for a long time. I'd love to voice a great science channel like this. Thanks so much.
information about the deep ocean always fill me with awe and fear
Two uploads recently? What a pleasant surprise!
But the music is back...
@@hornetscout2579the music is a staple
indeed!
Don't ever change your format 👍
Awesome, thanks, i never thought about this, but makes perfect sense.
Imagine roughing it up on crocodile scraps for 20 mill years to properly feed again
Please never get rid of that intro. Its always the best part of the video for me. Your channel has always been a gem.
I'ma watch this tonight while I go to sleep, I absolutly love your videos and they never cease to make me sleepy. :) Love you mothlight!
INTRO´S BACK YAY :D
I love your content so much dude, you always bring up such interesting topics that lack discussion. I was literally thinking about this very topic on Monday as I was doing museum prep. I hope you know how much of an impact this channel has had on me as I’ve studied geology and explored the ancient world
Youre one of those channels i specifically check for new content.
This topic is indeed hardly ever talked about! Thanks for uploading!
I love how informative and detailed yet concise moth lights videos are. Long may this channel continue!
Wake up babe, new moth light media dropped
it was a bit wet i imagine
Probably had fish in it too
And some microorganisms
and had life in it def
Woah woah, chil man, wild assumption, jumping to conclusions
What? No way!
I like the original music of the videos
Your videos brighten my day God bless you good sir
Im glad the intro and the bg music is back 😁
THIS IS SO COOL! Thant you so much for bringing light (pun intended) to paleontology I knew nothing about!
As per usual another fantastic episode of entertaining science, easily one of the best deep time youtube channels there is.
Cool the intro’s back. Kinda iconic at this point
Your videos are very well made and relaxing, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for another fascinating video.
Beautiful video. the theory about different organisms feeding on different marine carcasses is fascinating.
With the amount of unknown curiosities and mysteries in our deep Oceans alive today, that we haven't discovered yet; I can only imagine what wonderfully weird and amazing animals have been living in the deep dark Ocean for the past half a billions years!
Your videos are informative and entertaining, thank you so much for doing what you do!
Saw the title and my thoughts immediately went to something I've thought about so many times before. The deep sea is filled with all manner of strange creatures we've only recently discovered, but what kind of evolutionary history do they have? Just how long have they existed there? Have they existed for many millions of years in an environment that's been relatively stable and virtually unchanged, or did they evolve more recently, in which case, what might've existed before them? o.o
I can't imagine deep sea dwellers left behind much of a fossil record, so we may never truly know the answers to these questions...
fr fossils in the deep sea. This makes me wonder what would be the most surprising discovery about it if we could access their evolutionary history
Cool video, I never even thought of this topic. Scary stuff
Yet another enlightening and calming video to sleep to or study
THANK YOU I HAVE BEEN WONDERING THIS FOR 5 YEARS THANK YOU
There’s no doubt in my mind that some truly incredible albeit horrific creatures lived and died throughout the ages in the deep sea… Personally I believe there’s _still_ undiscovered nightmare fuel down there.
Case in point, we still don’t know what ate ‘shark alpha’ in 2003… but it certainly wasn’t another great white (that theory has more holes in it than a block of Swiss cheese lmao)
Apparently the researchers themselves bet on it being another great white. That would also be my best guess.
A killer whale?
@@spoopa7733 that would also have been a good guess but the researchers seem to think it was another great white, which also seems plausible
Yo I've never been this early I'm so hyped!!
I’m 10 days late ⏰
I WISH more video game developers would collaborate with archeologists & other scientists that study prehistoric life. Then they can work on projects that utilize video games as interactive experiences. In the 90's i played educational computer games that utilized visual design to help teach you about the different biology that has existed on our planet. There's so much potential in this field that is not being used.. i hope that changes soon
The moment there will be money to be made, it will happen. Profit overrides everything.
@@marrs1013 *the moment they bother to do enough market research to realize there is a mostly untapped market you mean.
@@Sara3346
No, I did not. I mean when they figure out how to fill it with micro transaction, DLCs, pay to win features, and generally how to make it plain addictive, than they will do it.
@@marrs1013 But none of that is actually needed to turn a profit 😞
@@Sara3346
But nobody wants 'some' profit. If you not constantly increase and maximize your profit, you are failed as a manager, and will be replaced. The main investor are hedgefunds, and therefore the board would rather accept a higher risk of failure for a higher promise of profit, than moderate profit and a good, educational, long term product. Just the reality of businnes today. When the investors are profit oriented corporations themselves, driven for nothing but ever growing and maximized profit instead of human beings, this is the outcome.
Great video, I love your voice, it’s calming and relaxing
I appreciate the credit in the thumbnail
Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.
abt to love this 11 minutes
These are questions the hood been pondering 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Amazing video!
We
smooth voice
3:30 how about sea turtles? do their remains support this species of boneworm? If so, they needn’t rely on freshwater crocodiloforms ending up in the sea by chance. I wonder if very large fish remains are similar enough to reptiles to support their population too. Have basking shark remains been found with this type of colony?
Love this guy
''crocodiles washing out''.....my fellow sea turtles never went away.
Thinking of abyssal plesiosaurus is terrifying
Yeah, all these people commenting that this helps them sleep must have shut their eyes or turned away from the screen by the time the red Abyssosaurus and its fangs appeared, because that’s genuine nightmare fuel
@griantesla7644 I say plesiosaurus is soooooo 😎, say did you watch Transformers ONE,Cars or The Princess and The 🐸?
the thumbnail is so beautiful.. where did it come from
Great vid. 🙂
7:06 don't you mean on the flipper side? XD
I really enjoy these videos thank you and a very interesting question to explore.
Super cool video idea.
Bros constantly putting out fire
feels like Eons since you last uploaded
Awesome!
I loved this video
0:49 what is that a fossil of?
It’s another sea lily
The creature
A kind of crinoid, most likely a sea lily or an ancestor thereof
the great old one
@@alfredwaldo6079a hunter tips his hat for a fellow hunter
super informational
great video!
Probably scary and dark, like it is now
I had no Moth and I must scream
LOOKS LIKE INTRO IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!!!
0:47 that fossil looks exactly like a face hugger from Alien
man i've been thinking about that question FOR YEARS now..
i've been trying to find videos about it but i never have
Thank you!
You are awesome
Imagine some fish/invertebrate species which are so obscure and bizarre that we couldn’t even imagine, entirely out of sight from any fossil records because they’re simply living deep down there for millennia even the multiple mass extinction events on earth surface couldn’t reach them..
I never realized how short the period between marine reptiles and primitive whales was.
THE SPLASH i am so happy
It's like angler fish but plesiosaur
I love crinoids ^.^ Cradily is the best fossil pokemon, and my fav
Amazing video, amazing subject! Your voice is so soothing to listen to!
Deeply grateful! 🙏🦑🪸🐋
Dropping the same day as the Subnautica 2 trailer 🤔
I think about deep sea fossils all the time. The fact that we will never know what a lot of prehistoric life lived in the deep sea gets me MESSED UP
Good vid
Cool
My countrys most underated sea the sundance baby because ya know......the western interior seaway was a thing too 😂 very nice
I saw a skull where there was a flattened ring of bone inside the eye. A very large eye. We were told it was to provide support against the pressure of deep dives. Mosasaur, maybe, saw it 15 years ago in a museum.
I don’t know if marine reptiles could go into the deep without echolocation. Also do the rest of their bodies suggest deep sea adaptations? Because the deep sea compresses the body.
I think marine reptiles in ocean depths rely on other adaptations like keen eyesight or potentially other sensory mechanisms rather than echolocation.
What we do know about our prehistoric past is nothing compared to what we don’t (and in many cases, likely never will)
Another huge problem regarding deep sea fossils is how frequently oceanic plates are submerged and recycled with the tectonic of plates, there are pieces of continental crust billions of years old but at most you can have a piece of ocean floor from the middle of the Mesozoic
The part about air breathing creatures having an advantage in the low oxygen environment explains something that I have wondered about: when terrestrial animals returned to the sea, why didn't they re-evolve underwater breathing? Returning to the surface means interrupting their other activities.
Evolution usually sticks with what you already have. To change your lung-based breating back to a gill-based breathing is too drastic and unlikely to happen.
I like this moth guy!
I love this topic
imo it is nothing short of a miracle that ocedax didnt go extinct at the end of the cretaceous unless they eat something besides bones
Interesting and well..still unknown.
hard to imagine a situation where those scavengers wouldnt get rid of all fossilizable material, isnt it?